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I did feel like the Gems were wrong for reacting the way they did. Peridot was absolutely right, but they were ready to kill her for stating the obvious, which is what she always does.

>eforestation, or over reliance on oil.
But Gem Earth has a much much smaller human population. These things probably aren't that big of a deal.

A smaller population probably because of how much they fucked over the biosphere and climate in general.

I meant that these are stupid things for OP to get spun up about but they're articles of faith among the progressive community so of course he's spun up about them; thus my exasperation.

I'm not even interested in whether or not they're Bad Things - I think you can meaningfully debate the role of human industry in climate change or the lack thereof and the net benefit of fossil fuels as a means of improving the human condition, but Cred Forums is not the place for it. No, the real issue here is you're talking about events on a human timescale for a group of aliens who measure events on a geological timescale. There have been multiple warming and cooling cycles on Earth in the last five thousand years and it's already established that five thousand years isn't even that long for a gem. Pearl can't even understand why humans would be nostalgic fore something that's only been around for eighty years, why should any of them care about something that humans have been doing for less than a hundred and fifty?

I figured the smaller population was due to the corrupted gems running amok for 5000+ years. Some of them, like the giant eye that had to be shot with Rose's light cannon, are absurdly powerful and mankind would have no way of fighting them if they attacked a human settlement. It's possible that large civilizations only begun appearing in the last 1000 years, and only because the Crystal Gems have been hunting and bubbling corrupted gems non-stop since the end of the war.
Though I never considered the effect the Gem war would have on the biosphere. That's a good point.

You've also gotta factor in the shit like the peetle babies and all the non-gem lifeforms that aren't from earth (The gem things eating the sea spire, those weird ass mask fish on the predator gem Island, ect)
lots of species that are alive in our universe were probably driven to extinction by invasive species the gems brought with them to earth

I feel like very recently the writers have a very disturbed and biased view of morality and love.

At first one of the shows greatest strengths was how they made absolute sure that no one apart from Steven and Greg was purely good; everyone had their own baggage and grey morality. But now we got stuff like Ruby and Sapphires downrigtht disturbing obsession for each other to a point they can't seem to function without each other, Pearl getting over Rose just for her to fall in love and be influenced by a woman she never met just because she looked like Rose, Steven basically controlling Lars mind without his consent and that being a-okay for reasons and the notorious "Beach City Drift" episode.

The giant eyeball was a scout from homeworld, not a corrupted gem

>No, the real issue here is you're talking about events on a human timescale for a group of aliens who measure events on a geological timescale. There have been multiple warming and cooling cycles on Earth in the last five thousand years and it's already established that five thousand years
This is just a minor point, but the most recent ice age had ended by that time and some human civilizations had already gotten into agriculture.
It really hasn't been that long. Gems would notice the drastic change since the 1800s when it comes to climate.

>dissing peter the great tolstoy and pavlov

>At first one of the shows greatest strengths was how they made absolute sure that no one apart from Steven and Greg was purely good; everyone had their own baggage and grey morality.

Writers not adhering to your headcanon isn't a flaw of the show. Plus the second half of your statement directly contradicts the rest of your post.

Huh, completely missed that. Fair enough. Still, without modern weapons fighting corrupted gems like Centipeetle or the invisible gem from "Island Adventure" would be suicide.

Peridot was completely right. It was an open and shut failed rebellion. From what we know anyway.

They drove the homeworld forces off the planet, called that "victory", then got nuked from orbit. Now the handful of survivors (literally only like three people) just spend their days rounding up the mutated husks of their former comrades and raising their leader's kid praying to god the diamonds never find out they're still alive.

...and que the start of the show.

So yeah, the liberation of gems part was a complete botch. They succeeded in preventing the destruction of life on earth however, although I'm not sure how they plan to keep it if the diamonds ever return with more than just one quartz and a nerd or five retarded afro dwarves.

I mean the steven gang is pretty badass and all, but if the diamonds really wanted to take back earth, they could at any time.

Rose killed one of the God-Empresses of their species (even if she was the weakest and least experienced) so that's something

>Writers not adhering to your headcanon isn't a flaw of the show.
What headcanon? That the Gems aren't perfect? The show explicitly makes sure that the Gems have their own issue's like when Amethyst turn into Rose to fuck with Greg or Pearl having a mental breakdown when Steven showed her that Rose didn't tell her every little secret.
>Plus the second half of your statement directly contradicts the rest of your post
This is my fault, I didn't really explain it well.

In season 1 when the Gems did questionable shit, the show very much points out that it's very much questionable. But now when they did all of the above things as mentioned they make it as it's okay or normal when it really isn't. You were supposed to hate Kevin despite him not doing much, you're supposed to be happy for Pearl liking a girl despite her love for her purely comes from an obsession for someone else.

>Rose believed in freedom
>OP complains she didn't become a dictator and stop humans from doing what they wanted

No you stupid fuckwit. You're 13 years old, retard, one of those Russians who spend all their time online to try and make Russia look like less of a shithole than it already is. Russian called THEMSELVES third Rome because they were too busy getting repeatedly raped by turks mongols and tartarsfor 30 years to notice that they were going way way behind Europe in technology and efficient Government. European Civilization before 1944 owes nothing too Russia, not one thing, Russia got raped by Japs in 1905 you cuck, the 6th smallest penis was penetrating beloved Mother Russia.

You're still talking about something that happened only two hundred years ago - and even though it doesn't satisfy the technical definition of an ice age, the Little Ice Age was a period of significantly lower temperatures during a period of significant human expansion, which itself followed after a period of higher temperatures during which much of human civilization in general and western civilization in particular was in decline.

Industry may or may not be a factor in atmospheric composition but the fact remains that there have been major climate fluctuations in the last five thousand years that don't have anything to do with agriculture, industry or petroleum usage; and if you go back farther than that, there have been entire geological epochs during which the proportion of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has been much higher than even the most disastrous predictions for global warming, during which the Earth was capable of sustaining the kinds of megaflora and megafauna that just can't exist in the current, colder environmental conditions.

>They drove the homeworld forces off the planet, called that "victory", then got nuked from orbit. Now the handful of survivors (literally only like three people) just spend their days rounding up the mutated husks of their former comrades and raising their leader's kid praying to god the diamonds never find out they're still alive.
And no wonder why they got so angry at Peridot. I would too.
> and if you go back farther than that, there have been entire geological epochs during which the proportion of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere has been much higher than even the most disastrous predictions for global warming, during which the Earth was capable of sustaining the kinds of megaflora and megafauna that just can't exist in the current, colder environmental conditions.
Because it happened slowly and over time, so a good number of species still had time to evolve, even if not all of them survived.
Though I had no idea there even was a Little Ice Age, so I'll give you that one.

oops, forgot

Despite being millennia old, there's still a few things that Gems just don't 'get' about humans on an intrinsic level. Pearl's training of Connie just a sample of this. Being willing to die for a loved one has a different definition when you're effectively immortal. Connie doesn't have that luxury.

It's cool, I figured who you were talking to.

If you're interested in reading more about the role of climate change in pre-industrial human development, you should look into the Indus Valley civilization, which vanished about four thousand years ago. Climate change is thought to be a contributing factor to its decline, although competition from other neighboring cultures undoubtedly played a major role. There's a lot we still don't know about it, seeing as it was all but forgotten until about a century ago.

>Being willing to die for a loved one has a different definition when you're effectively immortal.
Well that, and she was self projecting onto Connie hard.
Rose not understanding what babies are after so many years is a bit weirder.

Russia would be far better off. Most of Russia's population is in the west anyway, and rather than being a largely landlocked country the Kievan Rus would likely develop as a major power on that inland sea. Hell, with most of the steppe blasted to hell, there might not be sufficient populations of Mongols to mount any real invasions west.

Looking closer, China also has a land bridge with Japan, so does the Anatolian peninsula with europe. So it's entirely possible that the Greeks were Persian Satrapies in this timeline, given that a large part of Greek independence was the fact that the Persians never had a good supply line so when the Greeks beat them at sea they couldn't maintain their massive land army.

It also looks like there's a land bridge between Italy and the Balkan peninsula as well. Hell, those two things are enough to seriously fuck with the history of Rome, and therefore, everything not in China's sphere of influence or Sub-Saharan Africa pre-colonial scramble.

Yeah, if that map is even close to accurate... their history is totally different.

The Mexican islands and natural path from the gulf to the Pacific would make things interested in the Americas too.

I mean if this is a "has lead to a lot of people dying" contest then yeah, Russia would win by a mile. Hell, the Russian way to win battles is to just have their soldiers die until the enemy runs out of bullets

I would love to know why New York became Empire state/city
My guess is the British Empire was radically different, and as such named shit differently in their colonies.

>t. retard

That's a great point. Control of Mexico would be way more strategically vital. Hell, maybe there's an version of Gibraltar. Maybe France decides that the pastry war is worth committing major resources to try and control the pacific. Or maybe the Mexican-American war ends with America annexing Mexico to secure a route to ensure they control the Pacific coast. So Mexico eventually becomes like America's Quebec.