/po/, I'm dealing with some cognitive dissonance. I've been against Zionists for a long time. I equally hate the Palestinians and Israelis for what's been going on in the Middle East.
However, I also detest the far left, and in learning more about Marx, I'm learning that he was the precursor of Hitler's own antisemitism in his pamphlet "On the Jewish Question".
Jews may be greedy individualists, but isn't this more in line with Americanism than the collectivist nonsense of Marx? Marx saw Jews and capitalism as a barrier to his fantasy utopia, did he not?
Marx didn't give a shit about anything he said, he simply wrote what he thought. You see how politically incorrect he by how casually he slips dead hooker jokes and Irish famine jokes in his works.
He saw Jews as being the main group of the High class he despised.
Christopher Edwards
>he simply wrote what he thought
Isn't that what EVERY political writer does?
Andrew Russell
I meant as in "He didn't care or give a shit about the groups or concepts he wrote about", he said it how he saw it and was for the most part right.
His solutions were retarded though.
Caleb Mitchell
get into the singularity. all else is nonsense.
don't worry about the rest. the race is on to who gets to the singularity first.
we are still under-evolved creatures that can barely even begin to grasp our own existence.
Zachary Garcia
>/po/ We don't make paper crafts here
Jason Anderson
Still, though, even Marx's ideas were parroted by Hitler at one time:
>We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.
I know about the singularity, but how does this solve the logical conflict I'm having?
Owen Rodriguez
kek what is it with important western pioneers and anti-semitism
Ian Miller
That was 1927 I think, he ramps up the Anti-Boshevist rhetoric later on.
Also Nazism is logically Third Positionism so it contains both elements.
Michael Hill
Why are you all even against Zionists I don't know. What did they do to you?
You're probably a Muz refugee
Parker Carter
> he said it how he saw it and was for the most part right
This. I hate it when Natsoc faggots discount everything Marx said. He was one of the most prominent political scientists and philosophers in Europe in the 19th century, there's plenty to learn from him, including WHY his observations didn't work in practice. His views and predictions on the Bourgeouise and Capitalists were pretty spot on though.
Marxist/National Conservative master race reporting in.
Bentley Ortiz
>Marxist >Conservative
You're not fooling anyone comrade. Have a free helicopter ride.
Elijah Bailey
Henry Ford wrote a book called "The international Jew" check that one out to
Michael Gutierrez
Pretty much this.
The biggest obstacle to white utopia isn't shitskins, it's rich whites.
Ayden Sanchez
>Irish famine jokes
wtf i hate marxism now
Aaron Nelson
He was the original Cred Forumsack.
Jayden Hughes
Lay off the weed van der memer, I'm only Marxist in my view towards the Bourgeoisie and Liberal Capitalism.
Lincoln Clark
right, but non europeans will cause damaging and in some cases irreversible changes through demographics
Kevin Jackson
>I'm learning that he was the precursor of Hitler's own antisemitism in his pamphlet "On the Jewish Question". Not at all. If you think antisemitism starts with Marx and ends with Hitler, you're a retard. >Jews may be greedy individualists, but isn't this more in line with Americanism than the collectivist nonsense of Marx? Why do you need either?
Owen Smith
Who benefitted from having them here? Who would bring them back if you deported all of them?
The shitskins are the snake's body but the Rich are it's head.
Joseph Allen
le epic XDDD
Isaac Davis
Only to the lower middle class, most working and upper-middle/upper class people stick to their own race. Shitskins basically only breed with the undesirables, at least in the UK. There's the odd chavvy coalburner or posh girl rebelling against daddy but most people are racist as fuck, even if they don't publicly admit it.
Blake Flores
Goy anti-capitalist Bakunin explained it well.
>“Himself a Jew, Marx has around him, in London and France, but especially in Germany, a multitude of more or less clever, intriguing, mobile, speculating Jews, such as Jews are every where: commercial or banking agents, writers, politicians, correspondents for newspapers of all shades, with one foot in the bank, the other in the socialist movement, and with their behinds sitting on the German daily press — they have taken possession of all the newspapers — and you can imagine what kind of sickening literature they produce. Now, this entire Jewish world, which forms a single profiteering sect, a people of blooksuckers, a single gluttonnous parasite, closely and intimately united not only across national borders but across all differences of political opinion — this Jewish world today stands for the most part at the disposal of Marx and at the same time at the disposal of Rothschild. I am certain that Rothschild for his part greatly values the merits of Marx, and that Marx for his part feels instinctive attraction and great respect for Rothschild. This may seem strange. What can there be in common between Communism and the large banks? Oh! The Communism of Marx seeks enormous centralization in the state, and where such exists, there must inevitably be a central state bank, and where such a bank exists, the parasitic Jewish nation, which. speculates on the work of the people, will always find a way to prevail ....”
Gabriel Campbell
>Who benefitted from having them here? >Who would bring them back if you deported all of them? never said otherwise, just that it is urgent that they are removed, its not so simple to remove these elites and officials
Jacob Ortiz
Give examples of things he got right.
Colton Sanders
Where do you live? I see normal looking girls with blacks everyday. I don't believe the retarded cuck memes, but I don't think blacks have any big disadvantage either. I see a lot of white guys mixing with all sorts of girls too. It's rare for muslims to mix for cultural reasons but no one really gives a fuck about race mixing.
Jeremiah Sullivan
You need to hold the reins of your horses before you can charge as cavalry.
If you don't fix the banker/rich problem then the "Shitskin" problem becomes continual and irreversible.
Matthew Baker
>Globalization >Automation of jobs >Social Democracies >General wagecuckery
His solutions to it all were still shit.
Alexander Garcia
Attack the most able of your own kin, good goy.
David Roberts
The biggest obstacle to white utopia is poor uneducated shit-apple whites. Half of the white population is nigger-tier garbage.
Charles King
North of Scotland. The vast majority of Coalburners here are unnnaayyy slags who want to go through a black phase instead of a lesbian phase. Other than that it's nu-males with gook girlfriend mostly.
Ethan Martinez
Marx was a Jew though. And his teachings are used by Jewish globalists to fleece the rest of us.
James Reyes
>. I hate it when Natsoc faggots discount everything Marx said.
stormfags are retards. Its always amazing to see them dogwhistle about how they "dont hate anyone else, I just love my people!" and "I just want a country for my people!"
then turn around and bitch about how much they hate the state of Israel despite it being the exact thing they claim they want
Liam Lee
A lot of nu-males with gooks where I live too. A lot of guys generally with Indians/Arab looking girls and blacks too. Girls if they mix is mostly just blacks.
William Morris
Fuck off CIA your PSYOP won't work on us. The Constitution shall remain the highest law in this land, and if you try to change it you'll find out why it exists.
Thomas Moore
>The most able of your kin care more about profit than kin and would cooperate with anyone to maximise profits
Yes, keep being a good goy and feed Shekelstein and his white friends more money.
Thomas Gonzalez
Communism and collectivism don't work. This has been proven time and time again.
Until we come up with something better, individualism and capitalism are the best way to run a society.
>muh jews Jews are just a meme, however I'm pretty open to capitalist economics free of Keynesianism, aka what people like Ron Paul suggest.
Dylan Cruz
>exact thing they claim they want Leeching off of other countries using jewish influence abroad, dragging them into wars, and occupying other people's land?
Nicholas Mitchell
>If you don't fix the banker/rich problem then the "Shitskin" problem becomes continual and irreversible. they already have total control, like i said its simply to hard to get rid of them in a quick manner so its wiser to focus on immigrants who can cause irreversible demographic changes which will endanger the european people and make revolution unlikely/impossible. in simple terms there is little 'they' can do when the population is nearly all white until the time they have technology which can further give them control
Daniel Cruz
I don't think so, even the worst of rural white trash is still more welcoming and friendly than urban middle class whites or rich jew wannabe's (usually marxist or liberal ).
Anthony Clark
Imo Marx's work in itself is a good critique of crony capitalism, however it shouldn't be considered an ideology in itself because the alternative he suggests is equally if not even more retarded.
Jordan Reyes
Kind of. Political theory is normative philosophy. Whether you reach your conclusions based on formulaic rigor, or with preconceived notions, it doesn't matter.
What I'm saying is Marx wasn't a political theorist exclusively. He didn't want to write about the way things should be, he wrote about the way things are. He used a Hegelian dialect to study historical cycles and this lead him to the Communist ideology. He just figured it was the synthesis of the ideas he had already observed
Carson Clark
Well, I agree with you here.
If white people weren't bluepilled so easily we wouldn't be in this mess.
David Thomas
>Marx's work in itself is a good critique of crony capitalism How so? Marx's whole critique of capitalism was based upon the workers being disenfranchised by democracy and becoming alienated from their employer, the product of their labor, and their labor itself.
Dylan Murphy
Even Marx said he wasn't a marxist, his critique is fair though.
Jackson Martin
That's literally what Nazi Germany did. It leeched off the Balkans for resources, thus dragging them into the war, and occupied several foreign territories
Dominic Murphy
Have you read the Manifesto?
Chase Wilson
Jews are born rebels and destroyers. It is in the basis of their religion, as it is a rebellion against Christianity which is the true heir to the ancestral religion of the Palestinian region.
Ayden Sullivan
tfw urban middle class nationalist
Why do you hate me?
Carter Mitchell
I've had to read Marxist authors in school and parts of Das Kapital but never the manifesto.
Lucas Miller
I don't hate you, I'm middle class too.
I just generalized that(as you may know) most urban whites are cucks in their political views.
Sebastian Wright
I wouldn't say the white underclass is a huge problem, they are definitely nigger-tier trash but they don't do much damage. The worst of it comes from those easily swayed liberal upper-middle-class whites, mostly women, whose political ideology is based entirely upon emotional appeal, and who have both the time and money to spread their overly emotional cancer wherever they go. They vote for whoever most effectively pulls their little heartstrings, which is an easy thing to do for the manipulative political elite who earn their keep doing exactly that.
At the front of every subversive "progressive" institution you will find a horde of white upper-middle-class women, and at their reins, the bankers and political elite.
Justin Collins
why are you wasting time hating things?
why don't you be productive and contribute to society, run for office or something
Dominic Evans
It's worth a read. Kapital is a real drag. It's less political and more economic, so I'm prone to my marginalist bias.
But the Manifesto is the most misunderstood book in history
Blake Flores
(((Marx))) was literally a jew and a son of a rabbi. Socialism has always been a mocement of the jewish intelligentsia
Wyatt Nguyen
>I wouldn't say the white underclass is a huge problem,
we should point out that something like 55% of the American population doesn't have hot running water and a phone let alone the internet, this is something the next president should focus on remedying, we should have a population with the basic commodities of the Roman empire, clean running water and adequate shelter
Xavier Nelson
It's like 20 pages or what?
I'll read it tomorrow since it's Sunday. Do they make you read Marx in America or is it seen as taboo?
Eli Watson
>But the Manifesto is the most misunderstood book in history What do you mean by this? Not memeing
Grayson Hall
>An Empire tens of hundreds years ago had better services for it's population than America
God bless the kikes and their crafty schemes.
Luke Ortiz
Thats bullshit. There was only one Jew in the politburo in 1939 (kaganovitch). Stalin kick the Jews out of the Kremlin.
Andrew Torres
this was in response to social democrats calling themselves Marxists, plz read some Marx m8.
Owen Cooper
>reading marx nope
Didn't read Nietzsche either. Adults are perfectly capable of being intellectually stunted little babies, and that's what marx is. Stirner, Ayn Rand, etc. Babies.
Henry Diaz
>/Po/ You mean paper craft and origami?
Joseph Baker
You aren't helping in removing the "Amerifats are dumb and don't read" stereotype.
Isaac Reyes
Oh man.
Jaxon Sanchez
I've read plenty about Marxism and some of Marx, but can you give me a citation om what you said, m1488?
Andrew Cook
Nobody reads Marx, that's why he's misunderstood. I read him because I'm big into economics and if you want to argue against your enemy you need to understand your enemy's position
Its about looking back through history about the cycle of revolutions between socialism and capitalism/democracy. He said these cycles of revolutions would continue perpetually until capitalism and democracy can be exterminated globally, giving birth to communism
Colton Martinez
What the fuck are you talking about? 55%? That's the biggest piece of bullshit I've ever heard. It's not even 1/10th of that.
>Its about looking back through history about the cycle of revolutions between socialism and capitalism/democracy. He said these cycles of revolutions would continue perpetually until capitalism and democracy can be exterminated globally, giving birth to communism
No he didn't, it's about the movement of contradictions and solutions within society, with Marx having economics as the driving force of society. The problem for modern Marxists is that they see Capitalism leaving democracy behind (see Singapore and Asian Capitalism).
Colton Gonzalez
>it's about the movement of contradictions and solutions within society That's part of the cycle. That's his antithesis in his Hegelian dialect. He saw human workers being alienated by capitalism and thought that socialist revolutions would arise
Luis Hernandez
>im scared of understanding things I don't agree with
Daniel Wood
this is true, however saying that it's between socialism and capitalism is wrong. It's about classes, yes, but classes have changed over history because of dialectical materialism. Right now it's between socialism and capitalism but these classes only exist because classes before their existence where pulled apart and together by conflict.
Angel Jackson
Fair point
David Green
That's wrong you subhuman commie neckbeard
>The majority of Jews were "not directly affected by the Great Terror, and of those who were, most suffered as members of the political elite."[19] Between 1937 and 1938, an estimated 1 percent of all Jews in the Soviet Union were arrested for political crimes in contrast to 16 percent of all Poles and 30 percent of all Latvians.[20]