Was Andrew Ryan (BioShock) redpilled? He rejected both capitalism and communism...

kek, nice one Israel, when you're not stealing our shekels you're not half bad

>stealing our shekels
Are you saying taxation is theft? Because it's your government taken those shekels from you and giving them to us.

Actually it's been said by the writer that Bioshock 1 and Bioshock 2 are actually examinations of the two extremes. 1 is Ayn Rand style Libertarianism/AnCap philosophy and how a place like that would turn out, whereas 2 is an examination of socialism/communism and how that would turn out.

Of course 2 gets less attention (for some reason, I think it's just as good as the first, maybe better gameplay wise) but it's actually a very interesting contrast.

It's juvenile to say that Bioshock is anti-libertarianism, or anti-socialism- it's simply an analysis and estimation of what might happen if these two ideologies had their ideal system, and the writer Ken Levine believes the truth lies somewhere in the middle. Note also that Ken Levine has been called anti-semitic for saying that Jews became oppressors after being oppressed, so to say these games are bluepill couldn't be further from the truth.

Even Ayn Rand wasn't Ayn Rand you stupid nigger. She was a scum sucking socialist.

True ideologists don't pay in to or take from socialist shit.

>the truth lies somewhere in the middle
Possibly the most bluepill idea conceivable.

>someone called this guy anti-semitic so he must be redpilled now

Yeah, okay.

He was showing Jack that he was a slave and had no free will of his own.

Replaying the remastered version as well, user?

>Jew saying someone else is bluepilled

Nice refutation by the way, I'm simply stating facts about the series' development and writing.

>true ideologists prefer to get raped by niggers in jail instead of promoting their ideas
>true ideologists don't try to get some of their money back from a system that took it unjustly

I'm not an expert in the English language, but I think you're confusing "ideologist" with "ideologue".

Yep. Just as good as I remember.

But why getting killed in the process? Just to show how powerful his submission is or simply to get an easy way out of the mess that Rapture turned into?

I don't need to refute anything you said, since none of it is backed up by any evidence or logic. Just felt like pointing out that there's nothing inherently bluepilled about shilling for the status quo or about being called anti-semitic. I also like the way you think calling me a Jew is somehow an argument.

nothing inherently redpilled*

>remastered
Both.
It's like when you are losing a game and you suicide your whole team or use a very cheap weapon to do very well momentarily, then quit the server. Assert power in the last moments, as if that power will stay with you into the afterlife. At least, thats my opinion

woops ignore the green text

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Why would you post that? I doubt he has a lice problem.

>since none of it is backed up by any evidence or logic
Literally read the wiki page, the TV Tropes page, search "Ken levine interview", read about ayn rand, andrew ryan, read any of these things and you'll know what I'm talking about is true.

I never said the games were redpilled or perfect political treatises. I explained what they're about, who wrote them, and why. I don't see why easily verifiable facts have triggered you so much Jew.

You might want to use that medkit to help with the butthurt.

>It's juvenile to say that Bioshock is anti-libertarianism, or anti-socialism
>Note also that Ken Levine has been called anti-semitic ... so to say these games are bluepill couldn't be further from the truth.

Are you seriously retarded or just pretending? I was obvious referring to the above statements. No, those aren't backed by any evidence or logic. Trying to imply that I'm wrong about you being a complete retard by calling me a Jew repeatedly doesn't make you sound any more credible.

I'm fine thx

>He rejected both capitalism
Replay the game m8.

Rapture was a libertarian capitalist utopia and it had been thriving. It was crushed due of absence of technological control. New technologies arised and they brought power to change social fabric in tremedous way. But Andrew was very stubborn and refused to change once established rules despite he was warned by his advicers about potential of new bio-technologies.

It is like if US would have been such libertarian utopia and after invetion of A-bomb everyone will be able to produse and posses nukes like firearms.

I laugh when lefties interpret BioShock as the story of capitalism crush. It's wrong and superficial understandig. It is about that any order have to beed changed accordingly at the time challenges, espicialy at new technologies which now are the primal rules changers in most spheres.

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>No, those aren't backed by any evidence or logic.
Well the first thing is something that was said almost exactly by the writer.
The second is also true as well, you can find plenty of stuff on him being "antisemitic" if you want. I'm just going by the general consensus on this board that people who recognize Jews as oppressors being redpilled. If you disagree that's fine, I really couldn't care less, but I was explaining things in reference to what most of Cred Forums seems to believe. That doesn't necessarily mean I believe it, just that it fits the standard most people here use.

I call you a Jew because then you spend half of your post getting triggered over it instead of trying to come up with an actual argument, it's an easy way to find sensitive SJW types.

>ken Levine
>redpilled
>not remembering the absolute trash that was BioShock infinite

>Well the first thing is something that was said almost exactly by the writer.

Oh, well if he _said_ it, then I guess his anti-ancap-meme-tier plot is actually perfectly neutral.

>people who recognize Jews as oppressors are redpilled.

Then I guess all those outstanding gentlemen of Arabic descent flooding your country are redpilled.

>I'll cry repeatedly that you're a Jew and repeat my non-arguments because you're just being so butthurt by pointing out that I haven't made any arguments to begin with

Yeah, okay.

>Was Andrew Ryan (BioShock) redpilled?
>It obviously didn't end well

What do YOU think?

His philosophy is refuted in the first audio log in the game; even in Rapture, someone had to scrub the fucking toilets.

That said, if they'd had more time before things went to shit, maybe robots could have taken care of the more menial work.

His entire utopia idea fell in on itself though. Too much freedom is never a good thing. Makes normal humans retarded.

>even in Rapture, someone had to scrub the fucking toilets.

It refutes nothing of Andrew or Rand philosophy. Everyone gets one's just deserts. It is your problem that you can only crub the fucking toilets and any other jobs occupited by more talanted people. Guarantees of free milk and honey - it's the commie's job.

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>Everyone gets one's just deserts. It is your problem that you can only crub the fucking toilets

I guess his point was that the average Joe won't accept it, even if it's genuinely all they're capable of and what they deserve. All it takes is a crook with leadership qualities willing to lead the frustrated masses to create a socialist "utopia".

It refutes the idea that a society run on Rand/Ryan's principles would work.

I'll freely admit that I can't remember the majority of the games back story because I haven't played it in half a decade, but from what I remember, Ryan's refusal to help the lower classes in Rapture is exactly what allowed a demagogue like Fontaine to rise, worsen the situation in an attempt to gain power, and then end up fucking the society up and destroying everything.

Ryan's 'utopia' only lasted a small number of years.

Which ideas of Rand you don't like?

Levine responded to the criticism with the following:

"Here's what I'd say. BioShock 1 is about Jews. I'm a Jew. If you think about it, Andrew Ryan, Sander Cohen, Tenenbaum, they're all Jews. Suchong is Korean. During World War II, Korea was brutally occupied by Japan. He's a guy who survived.

They're all survivors of oppression. And they don't come out of it heroes. Oppression turns them into oppressors. And that's the cruelest aspect of oppression. If you look at Andrew Ryan and Daisy Fitzroy, they're not that far apart.

Maybe people wanted me to write about a hero who rose above that. Elizabeth is the character I invented who does sacrifice herself to break the cycle. But I think most people are destroyed by oppression. I could tell a fairy tale about people who are ennobled by it. But in my experience, as a student of history, that's rare.

If you pretend there are a lot of happy endings for those stories, in some ways it elevates the oppression to something it's not."

The one where she's a vile hypocritical kike that subsists on government assistance while trying to destroy the basis of western civilization: the family unit--based on altruism towards children.

Actually it's got more to do with being a hypocrite and betraying one's convictions. Ryan didn't fail because of ADAM and the discoveries of Plasmids. He failed because he betrayed his own principles, started to regulate everything, and became the parasite he was so set against, in hopes to not let his dream grow on its own.

>point was that the average Joe won't accept it

But Rapture didn't designed for the average Joe. It is a land for inspired and bold people who want to compite, and be an utter master of themselves and their labor. For that advantage they are ready to take a risk of toilets crubing.

>It refutes the idea that a society run on Rand/Ryan's principles would work.

Nope. As I told before, Rapture crushed becouse of new technologies which were not duly regulated. Discontent of lower classes was catalyst, not the cause.

Modern democracy is a legal mean of robbery, purposed to redistribute money in favor of less successful people via taxation. Lefties (modern "liberals") hate Rand becouse she outright named this process as robbery

>He failed because he betrayed his own principles, started to regulate everything, and became the parasite he was so set against

Yep, becouse of this too. It reminds me prohibition of Bible and many other goods that leaded to broad smugle

>he rejected capitalism
*corporatism
ftfy

>trying to destroy the basis of western civilization: the family unit--based on altruism towards children.

I don't remind such ideas nor in "Atlas" nor in "The Virtue of Selfishness". Could you put examples of such thoughts if Rand?

>Doesn't understand the plot

The whole point of Bioshock is to show that without a government, the world would descend into chaos. Ryan had no police force to speak of and basically unleashed unproven scientific advancements on his people, resulting in drug addicts and thugs whose sole existence revolved around obtaining more of that drug. There was no way to regulate the availability of plasmids since there was no police force, and the entire city became a warzone.

Bioshock is, at its core, an anti-anarchism story.

I wish I could buy the Little Sisters.

Buy all of them?

Yes. If I couldn't afford that, then just the cutest ones then.

agree

I had some diputes with libertarians. They realy don't understand that some issues require a state, the public control for their sollution.

Nevertheless I hold the idea that a state should be as less as possible and redistributes minimum of money.

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But you miss the part (audio log) after fontaine "died" ryan kept the his estate instead of giving it to the people. The last line is that it'll start a war

No
Capitalism is THE redpill

reminder that thery are slugs.

Not girls anymore.

>Post yfw BioShock was the first Ancap meme

> WOULD YOU KINDLY?

her basic ''''''''moral'''''' tenet was of selfishness i.e. not sacrificing yourself for anyone, including one's children. Ergo pro (((abortion))) pro psychopathy anti family. Terrible writer too.

What's Bioshock 2 about? I played it in 2010 when it came out and it still has the best gameplay of the three imo but I don't remember much of the story nor its themes. Was Lamb a marxist that wanted to turn her daughter into some kind of ubermensch prophet for some reason? Honestly that's all I remember.

You're a Big Daddy trying to find the first Little Sister you bonded with, who is being held by her mother, Sophia Lamb.

Someone hasn't read Atlas Shrugged

That's the flag of Denkmark you (((retard)))

Rand's philosophy tends to the point that no one can be forced to sacrificing. Only if you freely want to gift someone, not becouse of coercion.

So according to Rand, you may sacriface to your children but no one has a right to coerce you into.

Apparently the remastered version is worse.

This game has shit gameplay and the story barely makes any sense

Libertarians recognize the reason of a state, and can have one, but not one that steals from its citizens. The ones who support no state are anarcho-capitalists