Are modern Iranians the defendants of the Persian Empire or is this another case of WE WUZ?

Are modern Iranians the defendants of the Persian Empire or is this another case of WE WUZ?

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How are they defending it? They're Muslims.

arab invasion probably darkened them up a little but I doubt they were that much lighter. Certainly though their forebearers were whites.

They're some of the only 'decent' Muslims though, for what that's worth. I've never had any complaints about Shia Muslims, not that I want ti promoted. I'd rather they'd repent of it, but Persians are fine by me. Always lovely people.

Wow that girl on the top left is hot anyone have any nudes?

Pic related has a bunch of half arabs

Agreed. Most Iranians aren't even religious really, especially here. Just like Lebanese people.

*top right

It's almost like tough times create...

MUSLIMS!

M U S L I M S S S ! ! !

Admittedly they're the more bro tier of the Islamic countries, but they're still under a pretty hard line regime.

If they returned to how they were prior to the Islamic revolution then yeah sure.

They were actually very cultured prior to Islam.

They are Persians up until the west got involved and changed it. So most of them still call themselves Persian.

Isn't the whore on the top left Mia Khalifa? A porn actress of Lebanese descent? She's also married which makes her career choice even more messed up.

why aren't there any good arab girls in porn?

Top right is the hottest

AFAIK the Arab conquered Persia then the mongols burned that shit to the ground.

Is that Mia Khalifa?

Actually they're lighter than ancient times. Arab migration was almost zero but they did bring in a million Georgian and Circassian immigrants between 15th-17th century.

Never watched her shit but Mia Khalifa is a famous arab porn star.

>mia khalifa
>persian

>She's also married which makes her career choice even more messed up.
How can her husband be such a cuck?

WE WUZ SHEIKS AND SHEIIITT

persians were white, whiter than modern Italians anyway. The arabs conquered the middle east and browned the gene-pool up.

>religion for 200
>religion of the Persian empire
>what is Zoroastrianism

Ancient Persians were wee actually blonde and redheaded.

Arabs were pretty white. They just fucked and integrated their black slaves. Seems like the US.

Middle bottom looks like a flip

Ok, from what I've studied, here's the impartial conclusion I have come to:

Iranians have a direct continuity and strong link to their Pre-Islamic SASSANIAN past. They have little connection to their ACHAEMENID past, however.

This is because the majority of Iran's identity was created by the Sassanids. Hell, even the Sassanids called Iran "Iranshahr" -- which means "nation of Aryans".

Middle Persian, which is what the Sassanids spoke, is strongly similar to New Persian, but get this, neither Middle Persian nor New Persian are that similar to Old Persian.

Iranians were able to preserve their SASSANID past thanks largely to Ferdowsi who wrote the Zoroastrian national epic Shahnameh based off oral tradition and a few Sassanian texts.

The Shahnameh barely deals with the Achaemenids, but it goes EXHAUSTIVELY into Sassanian past.

Nowruz, Yalda, and Mehregan are Zoroastrian holidays Iranians still practice, BUT they practice the Sassanian versions -- the Achaemenid versions were lost.

So whenever Iranians post Cyrus the Great, tell them to FUCK OFF because he was technically NEVER important to our ethos or identity. The Sassanian kings like Shapur I and Khosrau I were more important to our identities, and even many of my relatives are named after Sassanian kings.

Finally, the SASSANIDS were ruthless and theocratic as hell. Kartir Hangirpe was worse than Khomeini, no joke. Religious fervor has always been a part of our blood.

Picture is of Shapur I ready to kick some Roman ass.

>SASSANIAN
Sasanian*

Ignore typo. Technically our country began in 224 AD.

tl;dr: Sassanian Empire IS a lot more important to Persian national identity than the Achaemenid empire. Do not listen to stupid Iranian diaspora who haven't even read the Shahnameh.

So Arabs were physically superior?

No, on autosomal DNA plots, Iranians do not cluster anywhere near Arabs.

Assyrians are a good marker of what ancient Middle Easterners were -- they have practice endogamy for a long time.

Modern Iranians are actually not that mongrelized. It has do with being tanned and the altitude, compared to equator, where they live. What's funny is a lot of Azeris have blonde hair, blue eyes, but they are racially the same as other Iranians, even the tanned ones. Check image.

Haplogroups mean shit. Only autosomal DNA matters.

You forgot the pic.

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Note, only autosomal DNA matters.

Haplogroups just give you ideas on migration of different groups of people (e.g., mtDNA for maternal migration and yDNA for paternal migration), but autosomal DNA gives you a better idea of current race since it's inherited from all of our great grandparents.

Paternal haplogroup doesn't actually mean much though. Can only be reliable up to your great grandfather or something. This is because the Y chromosome mutates easily. The maternal haplogroup literally does go all the way back, but it is still a worse marker of race compared to autosomal DNA.

On autosomal DNA, Iranians cluster far away from Levantines and Gulf Arabs.

Persian here,


Then why do they all look the same

Shouldn't iranians look different if they are different? I don't believe in your rationalizations

There was very little mixing going on before that generation regardless unless it was literal conquest and rape

that makes sense, actually. It's like people who go on about sparta and ancient greece when modern greece is linked far more strongly to the eastern roman empire

Well, maybe you are mixed, I don't know. I do not look anything like a shitskin Arab. Get a 23andme test. Most pure Iranians fit into the graph here: Also, Azeris are racially Iranian, but they tend to be fairer due to the altitude from the equator.

Who were the achaemenids

jfc read a book, damn
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaemenid_Empire

no im not mixed but whenever i look at pictures of iran i see dark skin and hook noses. i have light skin and my family has some people with blonde hair blue eyes (not me)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Achaemenid_Empire

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasanian_Empire

Even the Safavid Empire respected the Sasanian legacy by revering the Shahnameh, which documents the regal history of the Sassanids. Many Iranians are named after figures from the Shahnameh.

yeah i mean genetically who are they

Light features are a result of ambient temperature.

Race is not skin-deep. You need a 23andme test to figure out what your race is, and the best marker is autosomal DNA.

Some Iranians are fairer whereas others are not, but they have similar facial features and cluster closely on autosomal DNA plots.

All humans look the same when skin tone is factored out, with the exception of Asians and Mestizos.

Just like how niggers look the same to us.

yes i think it is... She is Lebanese though, not Iranian

did you do 23andme test? i'm assuming so since you brought it up twice, is it worth it? what did you find?

wew, never trust a persian. lesson learned. goodbye thread

I'm too cheap for one. I want to do one soon.

Fuck off, you insecure faggot. Our country is going to be nuked by Israel and you say something as retarded as, "never trust a persian"

Scaphism would be the best medicine for you, traitor. You are a disgrace to everything our ancestors have fought.

>fought
fought for*

The downfall of our country is due to the inferiority complexes and ignorance of imbeciles like you. I bet you haven't even read the Shahnameh, you stupid bitch.

Mia Khalifa

>Lebanese
>Catholic