Hi Cred Forums, I first discovered this site just under 2 years ago and at the time I was a major atheist and leftist...

Hi Cred Forums, I first discovered this site just under 2 years ago and at the time I was a major atheist and leftist. But over time this website changed me. Recently I've become more of a nationalist. But I have a personal conflict. I know Atheism promotes degeneracy and I want to convert to some form of Christianity. But I just can't bring myself to accept that there is a God, and I wouldn't know what kind of Christianity to convert to. Catholicism seems like the best option but I don't really know. Can you guys help me out?

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Are you me?

Also, bumping for interest.

Are you me?

Also, bumping for interest.

Ask yourself why there wouldn't be a God.

Catholism is best. Most western Catholics are fairly secular. It's more about a sense of community.

just read the sermon on the mount from Matthew and do that stuff. God probably isn't real but it's important for men to follow a moral code.

Become a Pagan. Like a real one. All religion is just rp anyways. Join an rp that lets you be racist and kill kikes.

I want to clarify this. If your reason is personal in nature, like your own dislike or distaste for what God "allows", that is not an objective answer but an opinionated one.

Why do you feel like you require a dogmatic religion to reap the benefits of a personal relationship with your creator?

I believe in God, but I don't believe in any of the retardation you'll find in any religious institution.

Are you just incapable of thinking for yourself? Have you considered exploring that possible character flaw?

Whatever you transform yourself into, you'll still be a fucking Canadian.

A potentially saveable territory for the Empire. Don't forget, you dividing kike, YOU are the enemy.

I don't consider myself a spiritual person.
But if everyone held Catholic values and followed the Church, the world would be a better place

Just read the gosbals, nothing else

>I know Atheism promotes degeneracy

That is wrong. Atheism is just "I don't believe in God", you can have the same values as Christianity or Catholicism. Atheism by itself cannot be anything more or less.

>I traded in my fedora and trenchcoat for a a brown shirt and jackboots

I'm getting really sick of hearing about this. Also getting really sick of this splitting dichotomy about how atheists are supposed to be leftists by default

The first part of Christianity is the most hard which is accepting jesus as your savior and he will take your sin from you

You can live by the values and still not believe in God.

Read the Gospel OP and compare the English translation to the Greek translation to give you a better understanding of the text and message. Good Luck and I'll pray for you

I think he was talking about the
i m p l i c a t i o n s

And the hardest part
Was letting go, not taking part
Was the hardest part

Supporting and promoting the religion that you agree with. Religion itself is an institution of moral and ethical standards. If you aren't comfortable with the actual underlying belief system, you don't have to adhere to it or be a member. You will still be serving the religion. It might also be beneficial to speak to a priest; many are open to helping with guidance.

hahaha is this bait?

Catholic values like diddling little kids and chanting while counting beads to make God happy?

Why would God give one shit or another over how many times you said sorry, regardless of if you mean it?

Extract the practices from Catholicism that have actual value and live your life by them, you don't need all that extra baggage.

I think the only reason he is implying that atheism promotes degeneracy is because of Cred Forums saying it. OP might not have a mind of his own.

You're looking for an ideology to brainwash you because you're too intellectualy lazy to think for yourself. No one can help you with that. Redpill means higher levels of reality, not surrender.

Denomination... Fuck sake why do people think this matters? Just read the gospels see what you think of Jesus' teachings. Cherry pick what you like from the saints and OT, go to any church that's local they are normally all in communication with each other and believe the core shit like Jesus died for muh sin, eternal life, love... All that shit. You'll find it's mostly hymns and never ending charity work.

Why can't you accept that there is a God?

Consider theophilanthropy

Its most important that you find a Christian woman. Her belief will keep her from being degenerate where as men can simply choose not to be that way.

See if you enjoy this:
youtube.com/watch?v=FPCzEP0oD7I

read Symmetries and Reflections by Wigner

Diddling kids isn't a Catholic value, but saying so is a straw man. Is employing the straw man one of your values?

>counting beads
Any human action can be trivialized to sound inane. Your doing so betrays your ignorance.

You won't find anything more based or red-pilled than Traditional Catholicism (slightly different from the modern Catholic Church).

Don't believe me? Listen to this: youtube.com/watch?v=Z7nizgcVjUk

>Catholicism seems like the best option
>the head of the religion cheerleads the racial replacement of whites on a daily basis
You had one job, cuck.

Just think of God as an ethereal projection of your own moral standards into the universe becoming. Think of worshipping God like worshipping the pursuit of truth or what one ought to be.

I wanna become christian also so i can show it the face of muslims loving leftists. Do you christians look down upon people that dont quite belive there is a god bit still wants to be spiritual?

Shove i mean.

>be raised in cathloc schools all my life

Yes. Although you're spending some time in purgatory.

Christianity has a terminal point in time, when we learn what is behind the veil. That time already come. We are all dealing with the fallout from it now. it has expedited the exposure of the powers that be in recent decades. But it all started just before the turn of the century with this cog49.com/am.pdf
It shows the true nature of God is in nature and in you.

Are you me?

Also, bumping for interest.

You don't need to believe in a personal God. God is an impersonal force of the universe. The caricatures are simplifications that make for better stories and more personal connections for normies.

*which means as long as you attone for your sins you will eventually get into heaven

It comes from the concept of good being done through the ignorant, God being forgiving, and the concept of "the right path"

As long as you're sort of in the direction of "good", then you go to purgatory until you either reject God and go to hell, or accept him and go to heaven.

Just be sure and stay far from the New Testament until you know the Old Testament very, very well. Then you can learn the New far better than the church will teach it to anyone.

When I found out the universe is expanding, not contracting, I was aware there is no "looping" of the universe. The big bang happened once and will only happen once. I believe there is a higher power. My life was also alot happier when I was a Christian

Shut up you filthy jew

OP the OT was the "old law" read the NT if you read anything

NOT Catholicism , ffs , please no.... imo they are one of the degenerate religions.....nooo

be a conservative agnostic. don't fall into the religion vs atheism dichotomy meme, transcend it

Catholic is the worst sorry OP. It is the one that has always meddled with government and caused problems.

Fucking Catholics go away

idk dude , just go to a few different churches , even a mormon one , aint gonna hurt , in fact they will prob teach you the bible a little better than others, than become a 1 man religion , god doesnt demand that you be in a church , just follow the teachings and shiet

Except the only way to really understand the new testament and how much Jesus would go on to criticize the old laws, you have to first fully understand the old laws to fully comprehend the new.

>inb4 try hard

>implying Francis and the cultural Marxist cuckholds are permanent

Praise kek

if you want a real answer from a Christian and aren't just trolling I'll give it a quick shot I guess

1. The Bible (new and old testaments) is the most well preserved document in human history. There are over 20k early manuscripts of the gospels alone within 50-200 years of Christ. compare that to the Illiad, of which we have like, 1 copy 400 years later, and other such things.

2. The things recorded in the Bible are compelling eyewitness testimony that Jesus did in fact claim to be God, and perform miracles

3. Jesus claimed to be God, and therefore he was either lying, crazy, or telling the truth

can give more if you like

>atheism promotes degeneracy
no you are just a retarded leaf
kys

If you don't believe there's not much you can do. They say fluoride is to blame as it calcified the pineal gland.

Define a secular morality for yourself. It's easier than it seems.

Catholicism could be a good option, but you sound like you want to embrace traditionalism, and go anti-individualistic, which Catholicism in the Americas just doesn't offer. Find some small church which preaches whatever you like. Nobody really knows about, or cares about, the details of particular denominations.

Oh, and if you don't believe in God, just fake it 'til you make it.

>Atheism promotes degeneracy
Cucked by 2500 y/o sand niggers. Red pill yourself. Abrahamic religions are all slave religions. Religion in general is a spook.

Seventh-Day Adventists are the purest christians

Belief in God is based on testimony and evidence. The testimony is in the New Testament and in the mouths of the brothers and sisters at church. Read the Gospels. Read Acts. Read Revelation. Don't worry about the rest of the Bible for now. Go to church. Just sit at the back till someone notices you and engages you in conversation, or if you could even speak to people yourself.

The evidence is something that only you can find. No one can show it to you (unless you witness a miracle). Look at the world's religions, Buddhist enlightenment, Hebrew law, Hindu ritual, the pillars of Islam. You don't achieve enlightenment without activity.

"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find." You yourself must seek God with an open heart. Repent your sins and pray to Jesus with a clean mind to send the Holy Spirit. He will reveal himself to you and show you the evidence in your heart. It is everywhere. You can find it by studying science or maths, or writing poetry or music, or observing the narrative of history or politics, or falling in love or the laughter of children. God is everywhere and he loves speaking to his children, but you must do it out of free will.

Testimony and evidence. That is what faith is based on. How do you actually become a Christian? That is the easiest part of all.

>Acts 8
>36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?
>37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
>38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

The best church is whatever your tradition is. God instituted that church for your ancestors for a reason. Become a crusader for them, they need you, and all together we will save Western civilisation and the white race.

Focus on the Christian values but don't actually convert to the religion because it's bs

Lol why? Christian values are what make liberals such cucks.

>can't admit there's a God
Why? is it because you feel betrayed that you were wrong all those years? Man , Jesus Christ is waiting with open arms. Embrace the Lord and be free of your sin.

>Jesus was a liberal meme

>Give back to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's

Basically means that we need the state to be strong regardless of our beliefs on its morality.

Theres also the passage on the Canaanite woman

>21Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the district of Tyre and Sidon. 22And a Canaanite woman from that region came to Him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is miserably possessed by a demon.”

>23But Jesus did not answer a word. So His disciples came and urged Him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”

>24He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

>25The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.

>26But Jesus replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

>27“Yes, Lord,” she said, “even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”

>28“O woman,” Jesus answered, “your faith is great! Let it be done for you as you desire.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour.

Point of the passage meaning that there are those who deserve mercy and those who don't, one must prove yourself.The Canaanite woman may still be a dog and not a child, yet she stays a loyal dog to Jesus. Jesus still, however, recognizes a certain social hierarchy , he's not some open borders hippie or socialist by any means.

You do not have be a christian to live an honest and righteous life.

Remain an atheist, but take every red pill possible.

>God probably isn't real
Yes he is.
>All religion is just rp anyways
No it's not.
>atheists are supposed to be leftists by default
Most of you are. Most Christian aren't. Pic related. Brexit was a big test for atheists. Are you saving Western civilisation and the white race like us, or not? The answer is clear. Fuck atheism.
>Catholic values like diddling little kids and chanting while counting beads to make God happy?
Strawman.
>atheism promotes degeneracy
Atheism does promote degeneracy. Think about it. It has been proved in reality time and time again.
>You're looking for an ideology to brainwash you because you're too intellectualy lazy to think for yourself
Strawman.
>Christianity has a terminal point in time
No it doesn't. We will be here till the heat death of the universe. Get used to us.
>You don't need to believe in a personal God
God is real though.
>Just be sure and stay far from the New Testament
JIDF please go.
>Except the only way to really understand the new testament
Is from the Holy Spirit. You don't need the OT at all.
>If you don't believe there's not much you can do
Yes there is.
>Cucked by 2500 y/o sand niggers. Red pill yourself. Abrahamic religions are all slave religions. Religion in general is a spook.
Strawman. Also Dawkins was against brexit. He's proved himself to be a cuck and that atheism promotes degeneracy.
>don't actually convert to the religion because it's bs
No it's not.
>You do not have be a christian to live an honest and righteous life
It makes it far less likely. It's Christians that will save Western civilisation and the white race. Atheists are non-degenerate by accident.

This is some righteous autism right here

>>Jesus was a liberal meme
Strawman -- you have a blatant confirmation bias IMO. I was referring to the turn-the-other-cheek ideology that Christianity has fed to the west.

It's sad to see people this delusional...

Obscure faggot

Grab a King James Bible and pray to the son of god jesus christ and ask him to come in your life and clear your midn from the all the lies you have been told in your life

you are right ,lad

Christians have a natural intrinsic interest in keeping society homogeneous and other religions out. What affiliation does atheism have? They think Christianity is on the same level as Islam or Judaism. It is a relativistic belief that is killing the West.

When Europe was Christian, it was homogeneous and dominated the world. The empires were Christian. The kings who fought back the early muslim empires were Christian. It was Christians who kept Western civilisation alive in the monasteries while the barbarians were rampaging outside. It is Christians who got Britain out of the EU. It is the Christian right who are Trumps main demographic. Trump himself is Christian and Pence is the leader of the Christian right.

Atheists are cucks like Dawkins who campaigned and voted for Remain to keep Britain in the EU. They spread moral, cultural, racial and religious relativism everywhere. It is atheists who are the traitors within attacking their own Christian brothers and inviting the world into our lands.

Just be a fucking cultural Christian.

Show up to church, do the song and dance, tell people you're a Christian, have some vague knowledge of the bible. Don't be a degenerate or an asshole.

Not because you BELIEVE the religion to be truth, but because you KNOW that it built western civilization, and you KNOW it is the only thing keeping degeneracy at bay from the godless masses, and you owe it some respect. That is the only thing that matters right now.

You can call our leaders cucks, but the majority of Christians reject them and carry on being nationalists. This is the face of atheism.

>Richard Dawkins: Ignoramuses should have no say on our EU membership
prospectmagazine.co.uk/opinions/eu-referendum-richard-dawkins-brexit-23rd-june-ignoramuses

>Richard Dawkins: David Cameron should be 'ever-damned' for calling the EU Referendum
wired.co.uk/article/richard-dawkins-brexit-catastrophe

>A second referendum is the only way to unite Britain behind Brexit.
richarddawkins.net/2016/07/a-second-referendum-is-the-only-way-to-unite-britain-behind-brexit/

He did get one thing right about Christianity though. Pic related.

No, your accusations of my strawman is a strawman in itself. Im not even Christian, but to call traditional Christianity turn-the-other-cheek driven is insane.

You'd have to ignore a good chunk of history to even conceive that.

If you read those passages, project your concept of Christianity onto it without trying to look past yourself, then immediately remove me into the ontological other to not confront my point, then you're the one in denial.

>t.psychefag

>inb4 fall of Rome
>inb4 muh paganism

This honestly speaks to me more than anything I've ever read on here before.

I took a sociology class a few months ago, and one of the things it brought up was the fact that during the early years of the American republic, churches were the focal point of all business and social life. However, churches were also exclusionary. If you were a debtor, a degenerate, or some other kind of unwanted, you couldn't join, and this in turn would keep you out of business affairs and limit your dating/marriage prospects.

In essence, churches really did regulate civilized society for the better. They encouraged you to be fiscally and socially responsible.

I'm still in doubt over my faith, but perhaps even Dawkins himself said it best when he claimed Christendom to be "a bulwark against something worse."

"The Red Pill" debate on the validity of religion and existence of God is a meaningless discussion.

Being red pilled means discovering, acknowledging, and questioning the systems that control the world. It is NOT tearing apart and destroying every system that can be found (that would be postmodernism, which is completely fucking retarded and degenerate). The goal is to find the best system (such as the supremacy of nationalism over globalism), and justify its faults with its overwhelming benefits.
Consider the following exchanges:

>National pride is stupid. Why should people be proud over things they never accomplished and yet ignore the crimes their ancestors committed?
The above is COMPLETELY TRUE. Anybody who says otherwise is purple-pilled on NatSoc (Purple pilling meaning that you've traded one accepted brainwashing for another).
The CORRECT red-pilled response, however is the following:
>True, but people work best in culturally localized environments, and need purpose to find meaning in their work and day-to-day lives. Nationalism gives them this.

The same exchange can be made for religion:
>Religion is stupid. It's a bunch of fairy tails with arbitrary moral values used to control people.
Red Pilled Response:
>True (perhaps). However, people live most harmoniously when morality is not ambiguous, and religion provides harmless solace to those who seek purpose in life. On top of that, the lack of religion/faith makes a society vulnerable to ideological subversion from unsavory outside religions.

Cred Forums will come to realize this eventually. All of the Christ and Crusade memes are a part of it. Hell, I'm an agnostic, but if the next pope declares a crusade, you can bet you're ass I'm hopping on a boat to come fight.

Saturated in identity politics.

Why do you prefer arbitrary, inefficient ideologies as opposed to those which are engineered through logic?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turning_the_other_cheek
Kys I was raised Catholic

I'm Christian. Christianity is my reality. It doesn't have anything to do with ideology. When it comes to ideologies though, I can see that atheism promotes degeneracy, but Christianity does not. Even if I were atheist, it could easily be argued logically that Christianity is the superior ideology such as in Plato's noble lie. Atheism is not only inefficient at getting what I want, to save Western civilisation and the white race. It is the very ideology that disarms the West and makes it vulnerable to relativism. At the end of the day, there is only one political ideology that has atheism as a core tenet: jewish communism.