What do burgers have to say for themselves?

Not American buts it's called getting conquered. Next time don't be so weak.

>begin slaughtering and scalping women and children
>cry when you get obliterated so hard, in the most one sided war in human history you have to call it a genocide
>trade half a continent for a bottle of whiskey and a fucking necklace
>cry about it for 350 years
>become a proud nation of thieves and alcoholics

If anything should let you know that a strong immigration policy is important to the sovereignty of a nation it is that indians were completely BTFO by us.

>100,000,000

bull fucking shit

i think the US will come to terms with this in the next 50 years

its not so much the number of those killed, although that is important, it is more that the entire cultures of various nations were completely annihilated

US how do you get away with it? Any tips?

They started it. Its not our fault they hadnt invented muskets yet.

literally retarded

Sage

>Cultures
Gib scalps
Shiny beads
Gotta flatten our heads
Losing team gets decapitated

Made up numbers, not a country
To the victors, the spoils
They weren't exactly innocent themselves

It was at the most 20 million, the population numbers are heavily contested in accuracy, and a genocide is deliberate.

Your turn.

What about the Spanish wiping out Central and South America?

I honestly don't feel much of anything concerning it. Not trying to dispute things, mind. Just don't care.

We were men back than who cared about our own people and didn't see the savages as humans, only as beasts threatening our future

This is a lie. Disease had already killed most of them before Europeans arrived.

ikr?

It's amazing how hispanics are the ones guilty of killing the natives, however that's swept completely under the rug.

i wonder how many natives were actually killed by the brits and US in the US territories.

they've no accurate measurement of how many there were to begin with, and whether the spreading of disease was intentional is pretty moot.

there's a whole lotta specific instances that went down, where they were slaughtered or starved or raped you could tally pretty easy, but that'd only reach a million or so, and that's still over the course of 300 years from plymouth to 1900.

What about all the disease, alcoholism, criminal behavior and infighting among tribes responsible for 99% of those deaths?

Were Indians more human than abos? Did they figure out things like farming, writing, the wheel etc.?

i think 100 million is the high end estimate for all the natives in all of the americas at their peak in like 1600.

>100 million
Is this including both North and South America? Even if it is it's probably way off the mark. Like more than twice over. Also the vast majority of deaths were not intentional, but a result of European diseases being introduced all at once to populations that had never encountered them by the explorers who made first contact. Large swathes of the native populations died before the first settlers ever arrived on the continents. These same diseases had exacted their terrible toll on Europeans for generations until eventually the population became somewhat immunized against the common strains. Fortunately for Europeans there were no powerful, advanced civilizations probing their borders while their populations were being scoured by plague, else they might've been conquered just like the Native Americans were.

if you look at the culture of europe in that earliest era (1500s), it was one group of dumb fucks annihilating the other

Maize Niggers couldn't push us off their land and had it taken away from them. Shitsux dawg. Be happy we didn't completely genocide them and they can have their firewater and casinos. They couldn't even cut it as slaves. At least niggers were acceptable workers with our chains on them, and look at them. better off than the fucking featherheads.

If the Indians weren't so shit with all their infighting they could have fucked everybody up. They only have themselves to blame

they had farming, writing, domesticated dogs, stone age architecture, and astronomy.

depending on which indians you're talking about.

they all had fire and dogs, though, so even the worst of them were better than fucking abbos.

cause i'm pretty sure abbos had fire and dogs, then forgot how to keep either of them and thats where dingos came from.

just a reminder that britons were the abos of the Roman Empire

Nothing. We aren't self-loathing cucks who feel compelled to constantly make up for the actions of our forefathers, Krautfag. We're not at all like you in that way.

>world population: ~1 billion
>mfw we killed 10% of the world's population with 18 century tech

Those "dumb fucks" in the 15th century were revolutionizing technology, building infrastructure, and exploring the world
I assume you're talking about religious wars which I can understand but don't lump Europeans in with savages

>cause i'm pretty sure abbos had fire

Only the mainland ones figured it out. The ones in Tasmania hadn't. Luckily we managed to wipe all them out.

Actually yeah, they had basic agriculture. I don't think they had the wheel but they did have a simple pictograph written language. still got fucked in the ass.

Communism killed more, and it's still going.

i mean they had it, then forgot how it worked at some point, is what i heard.

They were crippled by diseases they had no way of fighting. If they had a few generations to recover from that before Europeans began colonizing the Americas they likely could've resisted and asserted themselves a lot better. If only by sheer numbers. If you read the accounts of early European settlers they often talk about how the land they found in New England was very "tame" and almost garden-like compared to the harsh wildernesses of Europe. Probably because only a generation prior it had been managed by natives who lived in the area, but whose villages disappeared once the diseases killed off most of the population, causing the tribe to retract and leave most of its settlements to be reclaimed by nature.

Nobody likes a loser.

Should have been a winner like the US of A

Oh beautiful for spacious skies, for amber waves of grain...

Fpbp, git gud or git rekt fgt

They had an existing fire, most likely from a lightning strike, and then preserved it for as long as they could.

Its really quite sad

No wait the other one

Pathetic

>Im just giong to pretend the Native Americans were not killing white men at the same time.

>We didnt so nuffen, we wuz good engines.

booo

>die of disease
>"slaughtered by government"

Listen cumkwat. Death by disease that was brought over by the early explorers, is not 'slaughter' nor is it genocide. I wonder if you can wrap your pinhead around this at all, but germ theory wasn't known for several hundred MORE years after the smallpox epidemic had wiped 70-90% of those mutated, migrated Asians off the face of North America. They didn't grasp the concept of 'carriers'.

This die-off from disease took place over 100 years, from Columbus' arrival in 1492, to the Pilgrims landing in 1620. The Pilgrims were fleeing death and tortures of the Reformation, but by the time they arrived in the 'New World', the one-two punch of smallpox brought by the early explorers, and the native Hantavirus, had done its dirty work, and there was literally 'nobody home.'

You think people don't know all this because you think people don't read, so you come in with your post that lies, and your image that lies. -Disease-. But science is firm on it, so that makes you fucking stupid. Or pretending to be stupid. or think we are stupid. So that makes you 3x stupid.

>100 million
I don't have much to say about it. Those people were from Europe that did that.

BLEACHED

one day we're going to discover chimps or apes who find a fire and keep it going for months on end for whatever purpose...

they have no real use for fire, or they'd probably have figured it out, really.

Noone cares about native Americans.
Jews at least had people like Kafka,Heine or Einstein.

>g-genocide

Prior to this however

>Skirmishes and war with other tribes
>Constant killings and pillaging for literally thousands of years
>foreign people come that aren't fucking retarded
>fight them
>lose
>bitch and moan

No race has the right to bitch about "genocide" because each and every race wasn't some fucking made believe race where everything was literally hugs and rainbows.

Every race has a history of selling and killing their own just to get ahead.

First off Europeans were affected by new diseases found in the Americas as well so disease played a role in both sides
Second the garden comparison is more of an analogy, New England didn't have a native population large enough to keep huge plots of land cultivated, it was more likely small farms in settled regions, so the garden comparison was more likely saying American wilderness is more tame than European wilderness, fucker probably never ran into devils club though, hate that shit

>nazy,germany
Triggered me good

Injuns can't count

>They were crippled by diseases they had no way of fighting.
They fought each other just fine, the problem was they didn't have a unified front against multiple invaders, some tribes supported the french, some the english, some the portuguese, some the dutch, some supported the spanish, some just hated everyone else by thinking their tribe rules should be law, and some wanted to be friends with everyone. Diversity is so helpful.

That's false. It's misleading because it includes deaths due to smallpox. The actual figure is much much much less impressive and is definitely less than the amount of people who died under Mao and possibly less than the amount that died under Stalin and Hitler, about 30,000,000 each (Hitler was 6,000,000 Jews, but about 30,000,000 total when you include gypsies, gays, the mentally challenged, etc.).

>mfw we wiped out 3% of Vietnam during the war
>mfw they didn't even kill 1% of the troops we deployed there
I don't give a shit what you say that's a win.

This. There was a mini-apocalypse in North America following the first contact between Europeans and the natives. They must have thought the fuckin world was ending with how many people died. Entire villages gone in a few years. Like the Black Death but on a more terrifying scale and without the comfort of an all powerful God to turn to. They survived because they are human and humans are tenacious, but there's no fucking way they'd be able to resist being colonized after that. Maybe if you gave them like 200 years to come back after that, but not right after surviving the fucking end of the world.

The conqueror does not have to apologize to the vanquished, Fritz.

the situation was unfortunate but inevitable, in my personal opinion.

*looser

>slaughtered
>not "died out from inferior immune systems"
>
>not "never a country in the first place"
>not "just a collection of tribes with bows and arrows"

>mfw we wiped out 3% of Vietnam during the war
The damage is so much worse than just straight up kills though. For every VC put in the grave there were 10 crippled for life, plus all those villages and farms naped into oblivion, all that arable land you still can't till without hitting a bomb or a mine or something. Veitnam got fucked by a 20 inch serrated steel dildo coated in lemon juice.

I don't have anything to say my great grandma was a full time bird speaking Lipan Apache and even I recognize they got their shit pushed in by the white man for a reason. They kept thinking they had somewhere to retreat because nobody taught them manifest destiny.
It says a lot that a bunch of religious outcasts conquered a continent while infighting, and the featherheads couldn't hold on to at least one or two million acres of land.

Maybe you dont. I does.
Actually, if i had a choice id live in native times. Fuck women all day, eat peyote etc etc thats the life. Fuck your ipods n ipads n shit man. The natives were connected to the land and lived in symbiosis with out, humanity is slowly becoming a cancer to earth, a parasite and you neocon shills arent helping it...

Well actually...

>100 million
>U.S governemnt

1. there weren't 100 million native Americans
2. Most died from disease
3. Alot then died from fighting either the British or the French
4. The U.S government didn't even exist when people first arrived on American soil

Oy vey what an anti-semite! I'll be calling my cousin Hershel Goldsteinberg at the ADL about this!

Holocaust was 12 million casualties, 6 million were Jews. Then there were war casualties. Stalin had 20 mil, Mao rolling through with a high 60 mil.

/thread

If there were 100 million of them they should have worked together, white man would have never even landed.

Studies report 2.1-18 million natives on the entire continent in 1500, the vast majority of which were Aztec because they were the only natives with cities and large farming communities.

In 1521 Cortez raided their capital and killed most of them. During the next 50 years most of the natives would die out from Spanish oppression and disease.

This is the time period where most of the Natives died.

Spain kept claimed and occupied most of the Native's territory, including all of what is now Florida, Texas, California, and Mexico and everything in between.

White people show up around 1600's, early on just with a few forts. Jamestown Virginia, founded 1695

US is not founded until the Declaration of Independence 1776.

The US remains restricted primarily to the East coast until the Louisiana Purchase, which happened around 1800. Lewis and Clark Expedition, among the first whites out west of the Mississippi. 1804-1806

They report meeting primarily nomadic tribes, hunter gatherers that ranged between 30 and 300 people per mobile unit. These natives had no concept of land ownership and were small in number.

Whites didn't start moving west until 1845 after purchasing, and annexing land from Mexico. But even then it wasn't until the 1870's that the bulk of migration occurred.

Blaming the US, and white people, for something Spain and disease did literally hundreds of years earlier is just as stupid as blaming Hitler for the Bubonic Plague. This whole "Whites killed 100 million natives" shit has to stop. It's literally retarded on every level and only works because liberals don't know any dates, figures, or info about history.

Yep. The rest died from huffing paint and gasoline.

lol
They just keep increasing the numbers. There weren't even 100 million reds living on the entire continent.

>First off Europeans were affected by new diseases found in the Americas as well so disease played a role in both sides
Native Americans did not have nearly as many diseases because they did not cohabitate with their domesticated animals for hundreds of generations and most of the diseases natives spread to Europeans were STDs.

American wilderness was over run with giant aggressive bison who had turned the most fertile breadbaskets in the world into a giant pockmarked desert and the big cats and bears necessary to take down a 2 ton bison.

Who cares? Injuns don't run the media

Can we blame China for wiping out half of Europe with the black plague?

More the merrier.

want to tackle the forced marches to "reservations" that had no arable land nor livestock to support the tribe

>hunter gatherers having millions and millions of population
>while constantly warring over territory
uh no there was no where near that amount of indians not even close

No but I'd like to see a day when we can blame the T*rks for every bad thing in Europe that came from Asia. They wanted Constantinople, they can fucking have it.

This. Disease widely wiped out Just about ninety-percent of Indian populations, too. Disease widely debilitated the populations before America was Even a thing. Did the government kill Indians? Sure. Did it kill 100 million? Not a chance. Closest figure Would probably be six million.

I accept holocaust and land theft reparations in forms of 15$/€

how did the PTSD american vets make out?

did great, didn't they

we should rejoice in the conquest

>100 gorillion trillion
POO

There were more vets with PTSD after Vietnam than there were after WW2 despite increased measures for spending less time in the field and R&R.

PTSD was the fad pushed by psychiatrists at the time.

There were a few large native population centers in NA, but they were thinned out by the diseases before Euros ever got to see them. The Pacific Northwest is a bit different from the plains though, there were fairly large sedentary communities along major rivers like the Columbia who did a brisk business trading with European trappers going back to the early 1700s. These tribes were fairly powerful but mostly fought each other rather than caring about the white man because they only saw white men in very small numbers, and by the time white men started flooding into the Pacific Northwest they'd already established permanent settlements alongside the native ones and purchased a lot of their land from them, before they knew it they were strangers in their own land.

Really if you want to compare the modern migrant situation to the natives you have to use the PNW and not the New England or Great Plains tribes.

could prairie -niggers even count beyond many?

Natives have ptsd ftom the 500 yeats of oppression and systimatic holocaust which resulted in the socio economic pit fall for the oppressed and the exploit and uplifting of the oppressor

Aside from the farthest north and mabey a few great planes cultures, they could farm, that's where we got corn and potatoes from.

Even the central Americans, despite not knowing how to work bronze, built pyramids and had obsidian bladed wooden swords, along with gold.

However the Aztecs fucked that over, they thought the world would end soon and didn't even build roads or improve farming beond slash and burn. Which is a bad idea with their soil quality.

I'd say the Iroquois could be still powerfully today if they domesticated buffilo or cows. Some tribes had newspapers in the 1800s. If not for the genetic lack of alcohol resistance, coddling and severe alcoholism plaguing the tribes, they would all be doing pretty good in the modern age.

Fight harder next timr

really, i have a client right now that has had nightmares 3x a week for the past however many decades

all related to the war

>100 million

Kek, this number changes every day
Ive even heard people say we killed BILLIONS of them, fuck people are dumb

Pretty sure the biggest city by far had less than 1 million people & that wasn't in North America

Oh don't get me wrong I'm not saying PTSD isn't real. But after Vietnam it was pushed very heavily in the media and was often used as an excuse in court.

...

Shoulda fought harder for that soil then chief

that little cuck shouldn't have signed up to get dropped off in a warzone with a machine gun if he wasn't ready to see brains get splattered... and now the taxpayers are supposed to pay for his xanax, fuck off.

>most of the diseases natives spread to Europeans were STDs
The biggest disease killer of the Europeans was Malaria

Central United States was still fertile and Bison did not make it impossible to grow on, Europeans established farms on the planes even with the Bison still roaming
The natives could have established farms but the nomadic ways of following the Bison were simpler

How can i market a holocaust industry for natives?

Isn't Indonesia to blame with Krakatoa erupting and creating a colder winter?

And yet there are other people who went through similar shit and are fine. People don't experience hardship the same way. Trauma is inherently subjective depending on the person and their own experience. There's plenty of sexual assault victims who have PTSD despite not experiencing anything nearly as bad as Vietnam. But within their own subjective experience it's probably the worst thing that ever happened to them and they can't cope with it. You can't even blame it on people being mentally frail since there's really no way to predict how anyone will respond to a potentially traumatic situation.

16,000 Cherokees

I'm part Native American but I'm not mad. There has always been war and genocide. Natives just happened to lose this one. You have to respect how thorough they were in scrubbing their enemies out. Have you ever seen a room full of Natives that wasn't within a casino?

im thinking in WW2, if you killed a nazi or an imperial jap, it had some righteousness to it

in vietnam, you gunned down some 14 year old wearing farm attire... because he or she lives on a farm... was defending his country from... foreign invasion... from nazis

100 million isnt more than 6 gorillion what are you a fucking goy??

There weren't a 100 million Indians in the first place.

they got drafted back then, didn't they? this is a guy from a very agricultural part of the state

he's not quite a "cuck" -- bronze star and such

It wasn't even a genocide. 99% of you were killed unintentionally due to diseases that people didn't understand yet. Calling it a genocide of Native Americans is like calling the 1918 flu epidemic a genocide of Europeans.

> implying they didn't use Americans to help in their wars and didn't unite until it was too late

Only 25% of those who served in Vietnam were drafted. Chances are that your guy wasn't drafted but volunteered.

It was the Jews. They did everything. The puritans, quakers, and columbus were cryptojews

yeah, who knows

seemed like a waste of his time

more like 100,000 total

It was 100 quadrillion actually.
Where do they even get these numbers. It doesn't make any sense, there were less whites in metropolitan Europe and then they claim 100 million in the US territory without organized societies. Since I have no real opinions, here is the molymeme video on the topic:
youtube.com/watch?v=WNHKDJzgqJg

It was a war everyone was told was necessary but nobody really wanted to be a part of.

I still maintain that if France had just fucked off and given Vietnam their independence the US could have very easily become supporters of them. Then there would a be another nice chunk of US-backed land in Asia to hold back the red menace and everyone would be happy.

>100 million
Toppest fucking kek. With what? Guns that took a minute to reload? Not even the two world wars killed that many people

It's a feel good number, the more people that were 'killed', the more support you get.

the percentages kind of hide the people

"Draftees accounted for 30.4% (17,725) of combat deaths in Vietnam"

i haven't asked him but i doubt this guy was into killing people - he's pretty mild mannered - former bridge designer

I feel bad for them really, but don't they own alot of reservations/sacred land aswell as casinos within the tribes?

Does the government pretty much take care of them and there needs?

Any natives on here can explain/enlighten me on this?

spanish did it

Japs don't bitch about the defeat. Native Americans don't do it as well, white liberals play the victim card for other races

the jews rolled over, the redskins fought back. They lost a war, not a genocide...

Side note: if you cant defend your land, you deserve to lose it.

Let that sink in cuck nation.

Anti-nativics bigots who want to kill 6 million natives.

from what i've read, your assertions are correct, but it would be hard to see a US govt in that era supporting a socialist regime

>I still maintain that if France had just fucked off and given Vietnam their independence the US could have very easily become supporters of them
Geneva pretty much made that untenable. The US had strict orders to not have any dealings with the PRC or the Viet Minh. Even when the North agreed to have democratic elections, give the US a monopoly on their foreign markets, AND a fucking Naval base, the U.S. told them to take their copy of Das Kapital and shove it.

>the percentages kind of hide the people
Individuals are pretty irrelevant in the case of statistics. Either way as I said before, chances are that your guy wasn't drafted. Vietnam is such a clusterfuck of myth and revisionism by liberal "realists" that it's really difficult to take academic study of the war at face value without digging really deep into it yourself.

>i haven't asked him but i doubt this guy was into killing people - he's pretty mild mannered - former bridge designer
I... I might know your guy actually. George?

Daily reminder that if you support capitalism you support the native 100 million holocaust.

Did you forget the numerous wars fought against the Natives? The area I live in was a Native village before being burned down by settlers who then retreated to Kentucky without even settling in the area for a while. The Natives rebuilt somewhere nearby and the settlers wiped that out too. They didn't retreat because of disease, it was because of war.

THE ETHIC OF CONQUEST
youtube.com/watch?v=bGLAYPJ3-5g

Libralism = genocide and war

Malaria was known to the Roman Empire.

They had settlements and outposts where they traded furs for supplies farms didn't come until much later except on the west coast.

Tribe leaders are notoriously corrupt. Combined with the alcoholism of the natives only afew casino and tobaco tribes can stay afloat.

this

genocide =/= war

the natives where not genod, they were conquered.

>Closest figure Would probably be six million.
OY VEY I AM LITERALLY SHAKING

Quarter Native American here. Checked.

Genocide is the systimatic extermination of a race.

I think it might have been worth the risk to support a socialist nation rather than fight a communist one

I was thinking about before all that

Your numbers are a bit on the light side, retaerd; It was eleventyseven-gorrilion.

Get your fact right before you come shitting up the board.

Christ.

Who's land?

Our land.

>muh genocide

Did you really think cavemen could exist forever?

yup, not war. they raped and pillaged european outposts, then were put down, that is war not genocide.

>American
No, you aren't

>Japan
>gets atom'd twice
>recovers
>highly advanced society 75 years later on a very tiny island with 100+ million people

>Africa
>all that land mass
>all those resources
>can't get their shit together and still blames whitey
>China decides to move in and take over

If germans relrased camps as sovereign territory then shoot them all it would be war

Even then, less than 35% of the land in Japan is useable

Jesus christ some of the info that gets pushed here sometimes. In WWII a soldier could only expect a coordinated assault about 1-2 times a month, where as during Vietnam a soldier could expect combat at any time. Vietnam wasn't a stroll through the jungle, it is every bit as hellish as it's cracked up to be, and PTSD isn't a fucking meme you condescending know-nothing kangaroo fucking half-abbo shit

Well, fuck.

>I was thinking about before all that
There really isn't a before all that in the grand scheme of Vietnam. France was guaranteed a return on their colonies despite the US preaching self-determination. When it came down to it, we really had no dog in the fight before Dien Bien Phu/Geneva. We traded both with the Viet Minh and the French. We wanted both sides to lose because to us it didn't really matter who won as long as the ensuing government was friendly to the US. CIA spooks and Spec Ops nobodies on the ground started relaying the information that the Viet Minh were increasingly in China's pocket which created a deep U.S. involvement in Geneva only to about face because China showed up. Geneva was deciding moment for US involvement in Vietnam, before that it was pretty much dipping a toe in the water to see how warm it is. Fun fact: If China had become involved Vietnam like they had Korea, either before and after Geneva, U.S. officers had direct orders to nuke the shit out of North Vietnam and China.

Good riddance

>Africa
>all that land mass
>all those resources
>can't get their shit together and still blames whitey
>China decides to move in and take over

They should be mad at communism, they fucking embraced the USSR's activity in Africa in the 70's and 80's, then overthrowed their governments because colonization is bad mmmkay, and they're still a bunch of ear fucking savages because the western world gets buttblasted in media for "apartheid".
I feel bad for the Safy population, the world abandoned them and some were dumb enough to hang around.
Green leader did nothing wrong.

they should have finished the job

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>half of them probably didn't have crops
>hunter gatherers
>largest pre-Columbian settlement didn't even have over 100,000

Yeah, nah, no fucking way they had 100 million, even for north and south America.

At best it was several million.

At least 600 gorillion slaughtered according to the most conservative estimates.
All diverse, tolerant, peaceful, vibrant and culturally rich creatures.
Nuff said.

This doesn't show the fuck ton of mountains literally everywhere

South Dakotan here. We were stealing this land the same time they were. The difference is, the fucking Sioux aren't paying the Arapaho or cherokee any reparations.

nuking you was the best option

How could we possibly have slaughtered 100 million Native Americans, when there have never existed that many Native Americans in all of human history. (not even close, actually)

Besides, they died primarily from disease and were killing each other fairly proficiently when white Europeans began arriving on these shores.

Troll better, Ahmed.

Incans had toys that have been found with wheels, but obviously they didn't use them for things like carts on account of being in the mountains

>1 post by this ID

Doesn't Japan pay people to cattle farm and grow crops like millet?

>moor conquerors only diffetence is that germans arent paying reparations to the french

Imperialism is a meme, accept mutal nationalism.

I don't know about that, but I know they are legally bound to grow enough rice to feed the country in case they can't import for whatever reason.

Oy vey! This is antisemitic.

Is there a place in japan where you cannot see some mountain on the horizon?

When standing outside of course (inb4 smartass answer)

hey it's not our fault they all got the sniffles

To all the Americans on this board who aren't aware. OP is not trolling. Being an American living in Germany some of the first few questions I get asked when I meet new people in Germany is "How do you feel about the Native American Genocide?" and "How do you feel about the US's slavery history?".

I always tell them "I was not involved, and most of my ancestors weren't even in the US at that time. It doesn't matter anyway today".

I'm not sure if this is a defense mechanism because Germans have almost always been asked about the Holocaust and how they feel.

>100 million native americans ever being alive ever
The biggest genocide was created by the Natives themselves warring with each other. Those idiots were too prideful to work together or have borders.

SCOREEEERRBOARRRRRDDDD

Germans didnt start any wars nor kill any jew.

We did, faggot. They get their land, we get ours. In 1926, they became full fledged fucking american citizens, yet they still get the handouts under the terms of their subjugation.

Let me guess, white south africans should leave their country too?

>"Die Leute finden ihn als Fußballspieler gut. Aber sie wollen einen Boateng nicht als Nachbarn haben."

what do you dumb AfD krauts have to say for yourself? You just lost every single vote that you had in Bavaria.

Plus the estimate are based on dwellings, but don't take into account the fact that Indians were nomads that had multiple dwellings. Based on actually found skeletons the estimation for native Americans is around 15 million

That's complete and total bullshit. The worst genocide in the Americas was done by Pizzaro. The United States has always been fairly humane about our native Americans.

The idea that cowboys were getting on horses and riding to murder these savages is from western films.

The greatest genocide in History is the attempted conquest of India by muslims. 80 million of casualties. Many of the native americans victims died due to deseases that had nothing to do with the genocide.

>The idea that cowboys were getting on horses and riding to murder these savages is from western films
Which mostly covered the Comanche and Apache which were done in self-defense and were so hated by their neighbors that they would bless the soldiers sent to fight them. The Apache and Comanche were so fucked up that Mexico sold us the Gadsden strip so it wouldn't be their fucking problem any more.

Pyrrhic victory lad
>w-w-we won
>north vietnam still existed

Give me land and ill fuck off even ban english labguage, or subsidize native descendants.

>Being an American living in Germany some of the first few questions I get asked when I meet new people in Germany is "How do you feel about the Native American Genocide?
Yeah, no shit.

>Muh 100 gorillion

That or the Mongols

>100 million
So with 1/10000th of the food we currently have, 1/3 of the US population was living in what is now the US.

Who is going to believe that?

You got your land. The terms you signed with the BIA were your own doing.

Illegal treaties.

Jews signed away their land as well.

Truth hurts, doesn't it Cred Forums? America is native land, Australia is Aborigine land.

thats it
i am now mentally hill

Nope

Rice production is subsidized by the government and there's literally no grassland anywhere that you could keep cattle on.

Thanks to American influenced postwar land reforms aimed at preventing the consolidation of farmland, the average farm size is about 1.5 acres and farming is more of a hobby for old people than an industry.

He needs to check those numbers. Big difference between robbing a house and blowing up a train station too...

Potato nigger heritage, my people came after the genocide fuck the injuns.

This. Where the fuck does that stat come from other than the bottom of a listerine bottle?

>No census data.
>No (major) mass graves
>Most times Natives were asking for it
>Disease is nobodies fault

There wasnt ever that many of them at any poiny in their history

>100 million
>US government
Nice try

Nigger, the US gave $10,000 a year to the sioux in the 1850s for use of trails. Fucking red cunts used our civil war to kill 500 white settlers in eastern Dakota. Of the 1000s of savages that we caught, 303 were charged with rape and murder, and only 36 of them hung.

Those were actions deserving of genocide, instead we've given more and built more in the sioux's favor. The US has allotted $1 billion for the black hills. Like I said, does arikiwa get anything close to that for being conquered by the sioux?

Indians were literal savages who didn't even utilize wheel technology or farming despite living in one of the most prosperous and resource plentiful parts of the world for centuries. Anything that explorers did to them was nothing but progress.

I have a crazy liberal nurse friend who became redpilled at some point during a nursing position on an Oklahoma reservation.

She told us how she would go to the post office and have to step over drunk and passed out natives to get in the building.

My people were starving in minnesota during the economic collapse in the 1870s. You're goddamn right they homesteaded the fuck out of land and helped build decent communities.
I've worked with indians, served in the army with indians, had a few indian girlfriends. I've never apologized for taking "their" land. For the most part, the natives are cool. The failures are the ones who can't hold a job because they are too retarded. Those drunk fucks are the ones that yell sichu wasitchu and shit. Fuck 'em real indians don't have time for them and neither do I.

shit meme is shit. next...

I don't care. Skrælings can get bent. They haven't improved their tech since the ice age. Just simple stratego

most indians were the muslims of their time, totally incapable of coexisting with US way of life

>germs are capable of genocide
COOL STORY KEK

Native Americans:
Asian genes - high intelligence, technology (China)
Rich Land - don't have the excuse awarded to the Africans
Fractured/Tribal - reason often given for the advanced military tactics and technology of the Europeans

So, every advantage, yet still stuck in the stone age when the Europeans landed. How does this happen?

>ID: ABO

We confined the rest of them to very small parts of land where they occasionally cry and we ignore them. How bout you Germany? Oh yeah that's right you let them rule the whole fucking world according to pol.

Most of them died from disease so not our fault. Besides they sold us the land.

There were a 100 million red indians in America in the 1800's? That seems an astronomical number.

Holocaust denier

Who the fuck cares, they should not have beed vaccine deniers.

If they got their shots like rational human being they would survive. Wonderful how that closer to the nature lifestyle worked huh?

noice

Russell Means. Very based and very antigovernment. Antiwelfare state. Saw socialists policies as holding back the native people. Way ahead of his time.

Welfare state is bot socialist it is exploitative

So the population of America has only tripled in that time. What a load of shit.

The Holocaust and Native American figures for deaths is a pure lie.

Russel Means was pretty based tought.
Would probably vote for Trump

1695

1695

1695

D8s off m8

>I get my sources at Cracked.com!

Actually they were good at math.

>genocide
>Still around
>Given protected lands
Been hitting the bottle a little early, CryingBull?

They all died of small pox, other wise they would have shit on white people trying to settle

youtube.com/watch?v=zMGZtkMS3sQ

That was the English, French and Spanish.

by that logic the armenian genocide isn't a genocide either

North America is white clay. Fuck off red man.

Sick dubs mate

Incan city?
I think maybe the Aztec cities where they biggest and they are in North America, as defined in the USA atleast

I say this is exactly why mentioning the natives an pilgrims is fucking retarded when addressing people afraid of the country being ruined by illegal immigration and rapefugees.

they seriously ALWAYS say "oh if you want them to all go home, why don't you because you're not the natives". yeah that's because the natives almost all fucking died and the few that remained were forced to either integrate into OUR culture or be forced to live secluded in tiny chunks of land all to themselves. their reserves.

Mex clay t. 49%

Sorry Hun-bro you're still eternally guilty.

>100,000,000 nomads lived in America half a millennium ago

Modern day Germany has 80 million people, to put that in perspective. Even numbers have completely lost their meaning. 100 million friendly nomads walking around playing patty cake with woodland creatures in the garden of eden.

D'sousa is surrounded by morons in this video.

I'm sick of people saying natives were one race. They were many different races religions and cultures. Many were lost due to the killing.

If YOU did not start a war or kill anyone then YOU did not start a war or kill anyone and don't have to answer for it.

/thread

Germans are free to dump their guilt into the sea or recycle it as they see fit

Shiny beads!

>most of those death[...]
those diseases were brought by anglos. That's why they had no immunity. Disease spreads like wild fire. Also, anglos would know about how disease spread prior to germ theory. They had the plague as a reference point. Don't be an idiot.

They aren't just referring to the initial events surrounding meeting you white fucks. They opted to include the trail of tears and the wars they were drawn into. Considering how many niggers you people killed over the course of American history, I can believe the number they presented.

Nigga that was accidental, desieses caused more death than conquistadors

I say we should have finished the job.

>most died during european occupation
>most died before 1750
>most died from disease
>100 million is an overzealous number that includes ALL of the americas, when this picture insinuates it is north american indians, which were no more than 15 million

who fucking cares

GET FUCKED

You are correct.

That said, you're trying to care about the evolution of a bunch of peoples that ended up never mattering or leaving any written records of note or inventing anything of interest.

Might as well cry to the wind about the Scythians.

I don't understand why white people pretend to care about primitive or dead civilizations. Caring about injuns is like a token affectation to signal virtue.

If you disagree please state why you care about injuns and not countless other dead civilizaions and peoples.

>muh 100 mijjun injun

is this the beginning of an ebin meme?

>we should've finished

Survival of the Fittest?

4/5 died from exposure

>but you stole muh land

Most natives were nomads who followed herds. You don't get every step of land your ancestors stepped on by chasing a buffalo.

Genocide requires intent.

Did small pox have intent?

>Who the fuck cares, they should not have beed vaccine deniers.
holy fuck I'm writing that one down kek

not our fault they had shit immune systems

that's just nature taking its course redman

Weren't we brits at the time?

Have it at them

This

About I believe ninety plus percent of natives were killed by diseases. There was no sources on the accuracy of how many Native Americans lived in the United States. Some sources claim 17 million others believe it was about 130 million that actually lived in the Americas.

If we're also going to start pointing fingers at genocide by country. Then look n further than the Mongols. There attacks to everyone without disease cause what some believe may have been about 80 million people worldwide. If we are going to look at disease spreading, with blankets laced with illnesses. Then over 200 million people which does include over a third of Europe at the time of their conquests, died from the spread of the Black Plague

Ironic that OP is a german and the german government uses guilt trip bullshit like the holocaust to keep germans docile and under the boot

>100 millions
No fucking way. This is like 100x their own population at the time. This is impossible.

I mean, I agree with him, but mostly because there was no genocide in Nazi Germany.

I don't care.

>What do burgers have to say for themselves?
We should've killed them all; look at how dumb they are, they don't even know what is colonization.

>the US government
wew

I hate USA now

>a third of Europe

Good, fucking racist crackas

>100 million
people will actually believe this

>abloo abllo cultural marxism
>im pro colonization and cultural evolution
which is it alt right retards?

100 million was a rough estimate of the entire population of both Americas prior to colonization. Around 1600 the largest city in the world was supposedly in the new world. The vast majority of those that died were killed by disease, and before any Europeans even reached most of the affected communities

>Disease spreads like wild fire. Also, anglos would know about how disease spread prior to germ theory.
Nobody knew what diseases were. The concept hadn't been discovered yet. Europeans also contracted diseases from the Natives. Big difference was that Europeans didn't carry around bloodied scalps and weren't cannibals.

Also,
>muh 100 million

Disease just kind of spreads when you have no way to stop it

million is an overzealous number that includes ALL of the americas, when this picture insinuates it is north american indians, which were no more than 15 million
Not only that, but it says by the US gov't. So they are implying that from 1781 to Trail of Tears, there was 100 million people killed.

Although the number is aruable. He's not wrong. Immigration killed Native American government and culture.

We should learn from the natives, and limit immigration.

:^]

Jeez 100M ? These 200M Injuns didn't even do nuffin. These poor 500M souls. America literally genocides a billion Injuns.

>Muh hughocaust

Ok, lets end this fucking thread:
1) Their population sinks were destroyed by disease(tends to kill cities very effectively). Since France had few assets of value, the American Colonies were population sources themselves with friendly buffers, and desert protected the Spanish, there really wasn't anything for the Indians to do other than fight each other. Their population growth was no longer in check by population sinks and this change occurred basically everywhere at once thus preventing the human investment in cities/citystates while also rendering large territories decentralized politically. No fucking shit they couldn't uphold treaties and adopt Westphalian sovreignty. Also, their use of slaves kept backfiring due to revolts(probably because no Blacks saw manumission as a reward when it would basically mean that they'd become minorities within neolithic societies that couldn't even secure their borders and protect their population).
2) Massive deforestation and periodic burning caused them to have an overabundance of food and thus breed like rabbits... just like all their hostile neighbors.
3) They fucking hated each other and the Nash Equilibrium for foreign affairs was endemic warfare. While old feuds may've been hampered by the population sinks, there was nothing stopping the various groups from constant conflict. While cities tend fuck their own people over, bands/villages on tribal borders had foreign conflict to deal with and unlimited opportunities to start ethnic fights and prevent mutual cooperation, alliances, or trade from having a chance. This also made treaties/friendship with America far more challenging and prone to sabotage by rival tribes/bands. No one wanted to risk seeing alliances between their rivals and the Americans(shit, trade alone would mean that one side would get tons of guns and thus arm up their otherwise unfit/untrained people and start a war). Indian reservations basically exist to keep the fuckers FAR away from each other.

We were literally people who jumped off the boat expecting a wild new world. Most of our history prior to the 20th century was fighting off bigger powers and nature itself.

Just imagine being a settler walking through the forest when suddenly

>OH FUCK IT'S THE INJUNS GET YOUR MUSKETS THEY'RE GONNA SCALP US
>OH FUCK IT'S THE FRENCH THEY'RE GONNA PELT US
>OH FUCK IT'S THE RED COATS THEY'RE GONNA SHOOT US FOR TAX EVASION
>OH FUCK IT'S THE RED COATS AGAIN THEY'RE GONNA BURN DOWN THE WHITE HOUSE
>OH FUCK IT'S THE MEXICANS THEY'RE GONNA KILL OUR FOLK HEROES
>OH FUCK IT'S THE CONFEDERATES THEY'RE GONNA SWARM US WITH HALF THE COUNTRY

You see why we're a trigger happy people

being born and brought up in a country makes you from that country fuckhead.

whole reason why we have to use terms like 3rd generation immagrints.

Natives were way better off than Abos and subsaharan Africans, but that's literally about it. Europeans, Meditteranean Africans, Middle-Easterns, and Asians all outclassed the Natives.

Natives had farms, but they varied depending on where you went. Natives had writing too (but that was largely in south America and central America. Writing in North America was largely just cave paintings. No native group has ever invented the wheel.

Here's a fun fact. The Aztecs were more primitive than the ancient middle-eastern civilizations of 3000-5000 years ago when we discovered them roughly 500 years ago, but Tenochtitlan (the aztec capital) was the largest city in the world at the time. Whereas the biggest cities in the old world had populations ranging from 300,000, Tenochtitlan had an estimated population of 1,000,000. The Aztecs, the Mayans, and the Inca are all examples of civilizations that were extremely primitive in technology (even more primitive than some African tribes), but somehow got shit done and were extremely successful up until they were killed by diseases and colonialism.

Even the Eskimos up in the ice, where there's literally zero rocks and trees, managed to build entire towns out of just snow, furs, and bones. The eskimos are probably the only group of people out there who managed to built somewhat of an empire (or at least spread their one culture and people) across a large area without trees or stones, they spanned from eastern Siberia to Greenland and even drove the Nordics out of Greenland for a few centuries with traps and starvation tactics.

...

>those diseases were brought by anglos
Actually it was a French ship that was either captured or wrecked. The Indians took them as slaves and one of the Frogs told the "Peaceful enslaver" that his God was going to kick their asses. This happened between 1610 and 1620 I believe.

Yeah, they didn't want to risk fucking with Europeans anymore.

> Disease spreads like wild fire.
Really only when its population sinks(cities) that get infected due to their access to all their subject population sources. That's likely what happened though and it took out many of the population sources as well.

> They had the plague as a reference point. Don't be an idiot.
Plague kills off much of damn near every population. Knowing about germs is meaningless with this issue since no one could've predicted just how immune Europeans were to some very deadly diseases.

>They aren't just referring to the initial events surrounding meeting you white fucks.
Wrong.
1) 100,000,00 is the high estimate and I think around 30,000,000 is the low.
2) The number is very high due to the loss of Population Sinks coupled with the outbreak of endemic warfare. Many/most of the lives lost were of people who wouldn't've been born due to standard violence, higher probability of infanticide/infant mortality in denser population centers, other diseases often present in unsanitary stone-age cities, slavery-induced abstinence, starvation, mental illness due to urban setting, fire, crime/executions, and the list goes on and on.

Their population before contact was stable because the population sinks either destroyed or prevented lives that instead survived to reproduce and thus increase the number of victims of conflicts/disease. Since population sinks tend to prevent/destroy enough lives that they don't grow, especially when the region lacks Terra Nullius to claim, the real harm done to the Indian societies AS A WHOLE should NOT include the lives that would've been wasted anyway

Where can i find more on soviet activity in africa?

Yes he is

>100 million

Wasn't this over the course of three or four centuries? I think Molymeme did a video about this and from what I remember it can be explained by low population density and literally being outbred by colonists.

It's an exaggerated number. The native population in North America is closer to 20 million, and in South America 30 to 50 million.

Woops
Sorry
We cool tho, rite?

#buffalogenocide

Remember 11

Would you care to share where you retrieved those statistics from? Were they from a reputable source, or did you just pull them out of your ass?

Manifest Destiny, feather nigger

It was bad what happened. Any other country or race on earth would have done the same or worse. There was brutality on both sides. If the Indians had advanced beyond caveman level they could have defended themselves. If the colonists were more advanced they might have been able to pacify them without as much brutality. They have reservations now and some of them are ghettos with high murder rates, others do very well for themselves. I'm not against the money they get but in some cases it does seem to drag them down in the long run like it does everywhere else in the world.

Look at the statistics for violent a crimes committed by blacks and say we shouldn't have killed more I dare ya

Superior cultures vs inferior cultures, idiot.

Not our fault, blame the Brits

going to need some proof for this.

maybe they should have invented the wheel

We are thankful, our natives were basically monkeys living in tents and hunting with stones

That's simply not possible. The reason Europe had so many people was because they had mastered agriculture, they had plentiful stocks of food accessable at all times. The Native Americans were still stuck in the hunter-gatherer stage, which can't support a stable population beyond 20-30 people per tribe. In total, they couldn't have had more than 8 million in a generation across the whole North American continent. Their resources couldn't have sustained it.

>smallpox blankets
>not a thing
Really made me think

Then why are there more natives that there were?

Why is the female native gene more widespread then it used to be?

Why were native seeking refuge in white populations?

kek

saving this pasta

redskins btfo

I approve this.

This is why we like Japan, they can very clearly adapt. Plus, they love big American dick

>Expecting anything less of honorary Aryans

Nogs wouldn't understand bettering themselves.

Good morning Cred Forums

No one took my advice last night I see.

I totally agree with this as a hwhite male. I don't understand why we give Israel all their aid and ignore the native americans

1) We shouldn't judge our actions by what the Mongols did. They don't care about morality and never will but we're not worthless fuckers like them.

2) It depends on who dies. If you're killing people in large cities(natives had them), then its not the same as killing rural people in population sources. City people, with the exception of aristocrats/royals and Jews(hence their unintentional tendency to often be close to media, big business, politics, famous people, tax dollars, etc), almost NEVER could expect to have living great grand children or even grand children. The only time urban reproduction actually produces a self-sustaining/growing lineage is during times of urban growth(rare and only when cities are new or recently got nuked in a full-scale, regime/elite-killing, nuclear war) or when offspring move out to population sources.Sorry, but the blood of 8 out of 10 descendants of a person who would've otherwise been a victim of common urban degeneracy(eg: infanticide, abortion/induced miscarriage, faggotry, standard murder, suicide, etc) is NOT on our hands when our ancestors brought those diseases over.

This is why death counts for deadly events are highly questionable. Yeah, virtually all their large settlements/cities were depopulated but those places rotted instead of claiming more victims since the battlefield and the United States ended up absorbing the Indians.

Countless Americans have ancestors who would've died in the decadent urban centers of the stagnate native societies. As far as progress/advancement, Indian societies were so fucking lethargic that they never really left the stone age and their human capital was wasted literally shoveling massive amounts of God-damned dirt into "Effigy Mounds"(fancy piles).

Now tell me: what the fuck did they lose? Most of the deaths in the population sources would've occurred under different circumstances in their shitty dirt-pile-cities but the survivors are the ancestors of millions of Americans

>What do burgers have to say for themselves?

I'm on a roll. Fetch me another drink, Tonto.

if the fuckers stopped fighting eachother for 5 minutes they could have thrown the white man back to the sea..

snooze you lose chief

Fucking natives are a conquered people who are mostly dead now anyway, ACCEPT YOUR DEFEAT AND DIE WITH HONOR

Two things
1. Most native americans actually gneocided were not killed by americans, but colonial pilgrims.

2. Blame Jackson for overeaching with executive authority to declare war on some of the tribal nations.

#NotAllWhiteMales

Around 90 million died due to illnesses brought over by the European cattle.

Burgers are pretty goon bro. you should try them. they're even beef so it's not haram!

also prairie niggers deserved it for being savages.

There was not 100 million natives. More like 20-25 million.

Of those say, 20 million deaths, 19.55 million was due to illnesses spread by contact with cows and whites. The blankets is a urban myth.

Yes. That's the entire western hemisphere. All of North and South America.

It's funny because the native Americans slaughtered indiscriminately and broke way more treaties than the Americans.