Why are Americans so anti-vaccine? Do they really believe it causes autism or are they just afraid of getting shot?

You're not allowed to go to public schools here without vaccinations so practically everybody has them. The anti-vaccine movement is simply a meme.

Also
slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/08/anti_vaxxers_why_parents_who_don_t_vaccinate_their_kids_should_be_sued_or.html

vaccines are fine, big pharma behind them aren't.

>Why is that?
To give the Cred Forums answer: Jews
To give the usual answer: big corporations are maximising money over public wellfare and spend big amounts of money to steer politics to support them as well as making it harder for startups to break through to the top. The idea of free market suggests that the government will prevent companies from doing shit like putting toxic shit in toys for kids. However lobbies basically destroyed that whole system.

>how do we fix it
except for blowing up the entire lobby complex, getting rid of all the politicians embittered and agreeable to the idea of the lobby system and somehow getting enough capable people to restaff the entire governmental apparatus. There isnt really a fix, only trying to keep it rolling for as long as possible before it collapses.

>One can make a legitimate, state-sanctioned choice not to vaccinate,” the bioethicist Arthur L. Caplan and his co-authors write, “but that does not protect the person making that choice against the consequences of that choice for others.” Since epidemiologists today can reliably determine the source of a viral infection, the authors argue, a parent who decides not to vaccinate his kid and thus endangers another child is clearly at fault and could be charged with criminally negligent homicide or sued for damages.

>Unvaccinated children threaten the herd. Take the San Diego measles outbreak of 2008. After unknowingly contracting the disease on a trip to Switzerland, an unvaccinated 7-year-old boy infected 11 other unvaccinated kids, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The majority of the cases occurred in kids whose parents had requested personal belief exemptions (or PBEs) through the state of California, one of 17 states to allow them. But three of the infected were either too young or medically unable to be vaccinated. And overall, 48 children too young to be vaccinated were quarantined, at an average cost to the family of $775 per child. The CDC noted that all 11 cases were “linked epidemiologically” to the 7-year-old boy and that the outbreak response cost the public sector $10,376 per case.

>Dorit (((Rubinstein))) (((Reiss))), a professor of law at UC Hastings College of the Law and author of the blog Before Vaccines, argues in support of Caplan and his co-authors that if you fail to take reasonable precautions to prevent your child from transmitting a deadly virus to another child, you should bear the cost of that risk. If the government doesn’t impose liability, it is giving anti-vaxxer parents a free pass for posing a danger.

>Politicians ignore the movement at their peril, and, unlike in the debates over creationism and global warming, Democrats have proved just as likely as Republicans to share misinformation and fuel anxiety.
Loving every laugh

Looking it over again, this one occasionally mentions the allegation that Dr. Offit is a paid shill and spokesman for pharmaceutical companies, but the essay doesn't refute those claims.

Why would they get sick if they've been given the autism shots of doom though?

If anything, I should be worried about my non vaccinated child somehow contracting autism from your vaccinated child.

>Why would they get sick if they've been given the autism shots of doom though?
The two articles give two answers:
1) It can infect children too young or otherwise unable to have received the vaccine (and has in at least once case)
2) The vaccines are not 100% effective. The slate article says measles vaccines are only 95% effective, so in theory if 100 vaccinated kids are sufficiently exposed to measles, 5 will contract it.

Then why force your kid to have them? Just admit you're an idiot and be done with it.

>, but the essay doesn't refute those claims.
He doesnt refute them as in giving away all the money. But he does mention he didnt get 50 million, he also says he could have earned more money of designing a blockbuster medicine. He also didnt expect to make a lot of money of the vaccine he invented. It can of course be a lie to make him seem more believable and keep the vaccine train rolling. But he doesnt just completely let all the claims of him being in the pocket of big pharma stand.

Also this about the money claim:
>Let’s just say that if Offit has indeed made $50 million from RotaTeq, as his critics love to say, he is hiding it well.

>Offit acknowledges that he received a payout — “several million dollars, a lot of money” — when his hospital sold its stake in RotaTeq last year for $182 million. He continues to collect a royalty each year. It’s a fluke, he says — an unexpected outcome. “I’m not embarrassed about it,” he says. “It was the product of a lot of work, although it wasn’t why I did the work, nor was it, frankly, the reward for the work.”

>Similarly, the suggestion that pharmaceutical companies make vaccines hoping to pocket huge profits is ludicrous to Offit. Vaccines, after all, are given once or twice or three times in a lifetime. Diabetes drugs, neurological drugs, Lipitor, Viagra, even Rogaine — stuff that a large number of people use every day — that’s where the money is.

The argument is, the government should force your kid to have them because not having them is an unnecessary, easily preventable risk to other kids. That if you don't vaccinate your kid, and your kid gets sick, then gets other kids sick, you're responsible for any damages caused to the families of those kids. And also financial damages caused by "quarantining" uninfected kids who may have been exposed to your kid.

Why do you assume I care about what the government thinks, and why are you shilling for them. Do you work for them?

>somehow contracting autism from your vaccinated child.
tell me how a non-transmittable psychological disease like autism can be passed on to other kids.

I'm not anti-vaccine, I just have a crippling fear of needles

He didn't receive $50 million, but he did receive "several million" and continues to earn some unspecified amount in royalties, as of that article's printing. I'm not convinced one way or the other on the money allegations.

Also I'm not responsible for anything. Like an idiot you forced your kid to take something he didn't need, and now because the shot failed you think you're going to take it out on me?

Don't think so, buddy. Go cry to the government.

I got a flu shot in 2009 then contracted H1N1 two days later.
Swine flu was pretty lit, after I gained the physical strength to stand up off my parents' couch and collapsed in my bedroom.
My dad was kind enough to bring me soup and burgers.
I was the third confirmed case in my area though so the CDC harassed me to no end. And they didn't even bring soup or burgers.

We're not, there are these fringe groups usually foreigners who refuse to get vaccinated. Seriously rather have autism than polio.

what kind of 3rd world immune system do you have?

Everyone outside the US knows that autism and homosexuality is caused by xenohomonal compounds from plastics which find themselves in drinking water.

borderhopper who thought he should get everything up to snuff in one shot

>And they didn't even bring soup or burgers.

t. Infowars Canada

>rather have autism than polio

t. Average Americuck

just buy the damn filters eh?

Why is Cred Forums so quick to jump on conspiracy bandwagons about 9/11, holocaust, fluoridated water, and other jewery, but anyone who posts something about vaccines gets (((SHUT DOWN))) instantly?

Really makes me think

They're bitter because they made the wrong choice.

I suppose but not sure that gets filtered especially since they find their way in most foods we eat.

Most Americans aren't anti vaccine. It's a retarded yet vocal minority.

Logic and reason. You should try it.

Don't forget your fedora on the way out.

Vaccines take longer than 2 days to become effective. If you're saying that you started haven't flu symptoms 2 days later then you were infected before the shot anyway.

Because the rest of those don't really affect us and we can bitch like crazy about them but god forbid someone do something stupid near us.

There's a metric ton of scientific evidence proving the "vaccines cause autism" claims wrong. There's also a shitload of evidence about the positive effects of vaccines. Yes, they can cause some problems, but overall they're overwhelmingly beneficial to both the individual getting them and the society that doesn't have to worry about the diseases any longer.

They're one of the few things where you really have to be a tin foil fedorahead if you oppose them.

name of this semon demon?

Reminder that Finns aren't white.

>letting the government inject you with a mysterious concoction of chemicals
No thanks, I know better than that.

I'll let my immune system do the job and take my chances with whatever comes my way. I've never once received a flu shot and guess what? I've never contracted the flu in my entire life, yet I know of countless people that have gotten the shot and became incredibly ill less than 48 hours after the fact.

I don't trust what an american ((((doctor)))) tells me to do to my child.

Hestia

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I dunno man. My mom told me I went into anafylactic shock when I got one of the basic vaccines. Nearly killed me. And I do have an autism spectrum disorder. Might be a coincidence, but I would not dismiss distrust of vaccines just like that.

>I'll let my immune system do the job and take my chances with whatever comes my way. I've never once received a flu shot and guess what? I've never contracted the flu in my entire life, yet I know of countless people that have gotten the shot and became incredibly ill less than 48 hours after the fact.
You're lucky to live in a country where polio have been eradicated thanks to vaccination. Otherwise, no getting polio vaccination would be very dangerous.

>Be American
>Get shot in the arm

look at this poster.
he has clearly had many non autism causing shots in his life.

> tdap turned me into a sperg

Because they're autist.

>Be Ausfailian
>Get stabbed in the ass

Don't Americans give their new borns 10 or 20 shots at once, to try to get them brain damaged?
There is nothing wrong with vaccines as long as administered properly and not like this.

Read some kind of basic immunology you fucking idiots. Vaccines have greatly reduced the rates of morbidity and mortality from preventable diseases.

Not getting them puts people who are unable to be vaccinated at risk. These include neonates in intensive care, people on immunosuppressant treatment such as transplant patients, people with congenital immunodeficiencies, people with severe asthma on corticosteroid treatment to name a few.

This also includes visiting a sick relative being treated with chemotherapy - you could easily be responsible for their death if you transmit a vaccine-preventable infectious agent while it is still in the incubation phase and you are not displaying symptoms yet. That person will die.

Oy. Thank you for correcting the record, m8.

max 5 shots at once

I assume making their kids brain dead is some kind of satanic kike ritual, like cutting their dicks off.

Tell me why vaccines aren't important then. Or would rather the blood of those people on your hands? It's the same basic science as doctors washing their hands between seeing patients to reduce infection transmission.

>you could get some else sick
yea we know what bayer had to say about aids aspirin too
thanks for wall of text dipshit

I've got better things to do with my time than try to convince someone who doesn't even live in the same country as I.

what are you talking about. The shots are legit, no use in having weakened bodies for your worker drones. Their brains get deadened in their schools and media.

>These include neonates in intensive care, people on immunosuppressant treatment such as transplant patients, people with congenital immunodeficiencies, people with severe asthma on corticosteroid treatment to name a few.
>This also includes visiting a sick relative being treated with chemotherapy
So an extremely tiny section of the population you will probably never meet.

This is why the arguments revolve around kids. When you do it with adults it always comes down to "adults have a choice." With kids the argument for vaccines is easier to make.

>Tell me why vaccines aren't important then.
Strawman. Nobody said or implied that but you.

The reason they do it is because of niggers. They don't expect niggers to ever bring their infants back or follow a schedule.

We're paranoid about everything, obviously
We think we need guns and Daddy Trump to protect us

The way I see it you should have a choice between two options:
1. Pay $5 every 5-10 years for a booster shot
2. Pay $25 extra for your health insurance every month because of increased risk of disease

Problem is, I think it's illegal for the insurance companies to demand information about your vaccinations - so the cost of not vaccinating gets socialized and everyone with health insurance has to pay.

You mean, why are Americans against the idea of a (((tiny group))) of people having the power to forcefully round people up and inject them? It's almost as if some people on this planet are not completely cucked and still believe in self-ownership. Crazy huh?

Why would you need a vaccine when you can fast? Except givin shekel to kike corporation.

In the medical world, that population is the one we always see. And it's taxpayer dollars that could be saved and put to use in other ways. When one of these scenarios happen to somebody you know or in your care, I'm sure you'll view these scenarios differently.

In particular, mother-to-child Heptatitis B transfer during pregnancy should never happen. It's a terrible fate when you're doomed to have liver failure in adulthood because your mother did not vaccinate herself against hepatitis B.

Sorry for the strawman. I inferred that position because the responses against me were things like >thank you for correcting the record
and >the aids aspirin fiasco

not eating french fries for a day is not fasting

We do need guns and daddy Trump.

If you want suck down Blue Pill propaganda and cluck as your blowup doll gets gang raped that is on you.

Shouldn't you be watching your daily dose of television.

So it boils down to just
>You can't tell me what to do!
That's pretty childish.

Have a read into the ingredients in most vaccines specifically the 'preservatives' they use. Goy.

I'm sure you'll be laughing when your hepatitis B-infected wife gives birth to a baby with congenital hepatitis B and you outlive that child because they die of liver cirrhosis.

Really makes me think too lad.

In every single one of these vaccine threads my jew spidey senses are always tingling

Just the sheer autism, the sheer propaganda pushing, it's palpable. You can feel it. Vaccines and water fluoridation are the two biggest issues that make my jewdar go off.

It is for this reason alone that I can't really believe them.

what this issue is really about is that people don't trust these kike companies not to put questionable shit in the vaccines. to be honest, I don't trust these big pharma assholes either (but I still get vaccinated)

Can't speak for everyone here, but I'm from the medical world seen the end result of failure to vaccinate. It's the same as Jehovah's witnesses refusing blood products in life-threatening haemorrhage. Just pure insanity.

Not scared of needles, I've injected myself with testosterone many times. I received some essential vaccines as a kid, but I can see why people are against it.

It's really difficult to trust the government. I don't even get flu shots anymore. Typically I get sick as fuck once a year or once every few years from the flu and get over it on my own. I'd rather beat the sickness myself than take some shot that contains a bunch of unknown shit in it and then probably get sick anyway since flu shots only work against a small percentage of flu types.

Fortunately for me I'm still single, and I wouldn't be dumb enough to date someone with hepatitis.

Bet you think it's insane that 2 gay men can't have a baby together out one of their asses.

>My dad was kind enough to bring me soup and burgers.
Most American comment today

ayyyy

Young adults don't usually feed flu shots, it's mainly given to (and subsidised in Australia) to people who are at increased risk of infection of influenza or at greater risk of complications from it.

Also remember, the 'flu' is NOT the same as catching a cold virus. It's a much more severe respiratory disease.

Well maybe when artificial wombs come around your dream may come true... But the picture you described is not one I'm particularly fond of.

Since we are on the topic of vaccine, why does the UN Global foundation shill flu shots so hard?

How would you know someone you're dating has hepatitis but is lying to you? Or would you be willing to use a 'Jew' blood test to prove she's clean?

Flu shots for healthy young adults aren't really necessary.

True but working in retail means you're going to catch everything possible which is what usually happens. Unless the condition is very difficult to beat yourself I don't think vaccines should be concerned... unless of course you have a shit tier immune system (which is probably from constantly popping anti-biotics, being really young, really old, or living like shit).

Actually in America they push flu shots on everyone, it's fucking ridiculous.

It all comes down to how much you trust the government. They could put in there anything without telling you, and i can understand why someone wouldnt want to get an ominous fluid injected into the bloodstream by someone i dont trust

That's basically how vaccines work. And not all vaccines are recommended to everyone. For example, Q fever vaccinations are pushed for people who are at risk of infection from animals (eg. vets, abbatoir workers).

49 vaccine doses by age 6 doesnt sound like overkill to anybody else? Mercury and aluminum in vaccines sounds fine? Why is it ok to exempt big pharma from liability for damage caused by vaccines, instead having the american people foot the bill? Why has there never been a double blind study for vaccines? Why is the fda approval process different (less rigorous) than orally taken drugs? Why is it acceptable for pharma giants to force poly vaccines on the public, instead of allowing them the choice of three separate vaccines in the case of MMR?

Why is asking these important questions forbidden?

Like said vaccines are more of a cashgrab here. You are persistently pressured into getting flu shots and shit even if you're not at risk. Big pharma wants all the money they can get and then get assblasted when people are against them or question the makeup of the cocktails they are dishing out.

Impossible to prosecute. There is no way to keep track of all the people you come into contact with, unless you're NEET or something.

It's almost never a bad thing to get them apart from the money and the incredibly small risk of an adverse reaction.

But because they don't cover all the influenza strains, and also because the influenza viruses mutate on a regular basis, they're not as great a public health intervention as other vaccines such as those for pertussis or the hepatitis viruses.

It's never forbidden to ask questions. I'll keep these concerns in mind and look into them.

Vaccines in children under 12 months old causes autism.... the cdc even admits it. Go look up the top guy at the CDC, he admitted he lied about vaccines not causing autism. He is waiting for someone to take the cdc to court so he can testify against himself.

What I meant by forbidden is if you bring any of that up, it whips bluepilled into a zealous fury as if they have a personally vested interest in you vaccinations.

link please
I want to believe

feels good to live in a 95%+ inoculated country

>humans live for tens of thousands of years without vaccines
>but now you need to get them!
I'll pass.
>b-but people didn't live as long in the past!
So humans died before they became invalids? The idea if not living long enough to become a useless sack of shit is truly terrifying. Thank G-d we have modern medicine to thank for allowing us to experience the glory of old age.

I get every vaccine except the flu. Here's why:

-H1N1 outbreak in Asia
-Reaches the states
-Fatties, Babies with deficient immune systems, and baby boomers die in some cases
-Old people around in 1920s get the sneezles and live like stronk oxen

Turns out the that one vaccine we push the MOST in the United States, the flu vaccine, is a hit or miss "best guess" for current year. Getting that vaccine only gives you immunity for a couple of years.

People who contract/survive the flu that current year, without a shot, build a LIFETIME IMMUNITY.

It's amazing what our immune systems can do against the flu when we allow them to do so.