WEW

I'm not eating garbage... Yet.

>implying people don't eat garbage in the USA

Topkek m8

youtube.com/watch?v=0RlgyQ9EDCQ

Garbage? I wish I was that lucky.

Socialism truly is better than capitalism.

>it's everybody else's fault

The worst part is liberals who support the idea of Socialism have so many excuses for why Venezuela is in the shitter.

>"People are starving bro"
>" But yeah That's America's fault nobody can get food into Venezuela
>Dude the richest fucks there are having steak dinners and Caviar. Socialism never affects the rich.
>Then they should revolt!
>With what? Sticks? They allowed the government to take their guns
>Oh, well, it's not even real socialism anyway.

I remember back in 2007-2008 a bunch of leftists in the US were sniffinf Chavez's farts and calling him the savior of Venezuela.

Now, Venezuela has become a shithole.

It was worth the wait to see their lefty "utopia" crumble. At least the Chavez family is rich as fuck, right? LMAO!

People didn't, as far as I know, starve in Yugoslavia or Revolutionary Catalonia.

they're all poor so it's not real socialism where everybody is rich :^)

crashing the country

with no survivors

Its coming my friend

How bad is it so far?

Do we need to start sending down helicopters?

Not real socialism.

Stop this meme please. There's literally nothing wrong with socialism.

All socialists should be mass murdered.

Agreed. Just look at an actual socialist country, like North Korea or Sweden.

>Send 'em down with food
>send 'em up with commies

>perfectly good pineapples
they look moldy to me

This.
ITT: Cred Forums echo chamber at work

basically you cant give one man (especially some idiot like their president/leader) too much power because then everything goes to shit, remember he smuggled like $7 billion from oil sales and put it in a private bank account in switzerland or something meanwhile his country is dying

top kek

no rocket science

>international sanctions
What sanctions are there on Oil?

fucking kek

This is the result of non-White subhumans, race, not political ideology. But yes, Socialism tends to impoverish, at least Communist Socialism, National Socialism only seeks fair opportunity for the less fortunate.

Come to Mexico and then i'll help you sneak into murica.

just waiting for the country to erupt in civil war

STOP RIGHT THERE TACO BENDER!

YOU HAVE A WALL TO BUILD!

UUUUMMMMM THIS ISNT REAL SOCIALISM CUZ MY JEWISH ECONOMY TEACHER IN A STATE-FUNDED LIBERAL COLLEGE SAID SO.

I want to go to a literal shithole like Venezuela or Peru and just rape as many people (even men) as possible just because I could get away with it

At least they know they're eating garbage :^]

Stop all this Nationalistic nonsense, Communism is about internationalism and putting our ethnic, national, economic, social, religious, and racial prejudices aside. Communism is not a system, it's a process and a goal, we must learn new methods to achieve it

Spoken like a true Anglo.
That colonial spirit just doesn't die

Does political system even matters? I mean shitskins cant pull it off no matter if its communism or capitalism or whatever, and euros can pull of both socialism and capitalism and everything.......

Also, what's the deal with socialism? How does it even work? Capitalism at least has a mechanism for dealing with bad businesses, bad businesses simply go out of business in capitalism, but how does socialism deal with this? How does socialism handle bad businesses? Why do people even support it?

It's literaly just socialism. You put your crony friends in control of bussinesses and organizations they have no vested interest in, pat yourself on the back how much of a workers you all are despite the fact that you have never worked a day in your life and just suck away at the efforts of those who still didn't gave.
We had a saying during socialism: If you don't steal from the state, you steal from your own family.

Not too easy people just massacre other people on streets for just nothing.
The mob become insane as the conditions of life goes down

The biggest factor is that their economy was wildly successful because oil prices were soaring.
Then they elect a Bernie Sanders clone in progressive socialist Hugo Chavez who promised free gibs and even new houses for the homeless. After doing so, Chavez starts cutting off trade to other countries because he's delusional and thinks Venezuela is an independent super power that can sustain on their own independence.
Then oil prices crashed, and their socialist structure rapidly accelerated the country's demise.

This took all of about 10 years

Yugoslavia was great. It's a pity it couldn't last.

Am I right?

>89496792
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... Things that will never happen

At least she can still afford designer handbags and sandals.

k. keep me posted

>not real socialism
Kek

Anybody remember this QT? I wonder what happened to her

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>Mexicans
>Knowing how to reply to posts
Things that will never happen

There is no bad business. There is the ones owned by gov and by gov friends that will keep afloat (as long as the state can fund) despite being functional and the ones that are confiscated or go out of business, just because they aren't aligned
Obviously the system can't keep up so it ends in famine and poverty. it's just about the state it's the main goal not people.
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For us is either Full Dictotorship or Ancap.
THANKS SPAIN FOR THE GENES

I hope you build walls better than you type out replies on an anonymous Vietnamese mud painting board

Fuck off sadiq.

Eating Garbage
>eating
Eating=starving everyone
Burger education

>We had a saying during socialism: If you don't steal from the state, you steal from your own family.
I don't get it.

Spoken like a true retard.

"Not muh gommunism"

I'm eating chalupas i fucked up.
Also, Not an argument dick face.

Please take me out

Yes, because if economic approach killed only 100 milion people, cultural approach will be much more successfull.

You cunts need to be slaughtered in your soft, upper class beds.

She got inject with lots of protein and is slurping meat sticks

It means it's a system that by default the only way to survive is to steal. If not from the government, then your own family

most of murricans eat garbage to survive yet you don't see any news of it

>Communism is about internationalism and putting our ethnic, national, economic, social, religious, and racial prejudices aside
>Cultural marxism doesn't exist they said

I think the most frustrating thing is that faggots will literally say that this wasn't real socialism.

USA: OVER 99% OF PEOPLE EAT GARBAGE TO SURVIVE

Venezuelan government budget, which for,s the vast majority of gdp, is out of balance because the price of oil is too low. Venezuela can produce tremendous amounts of oil, but that's at a higher price than the gulf states or Russia.

Here's some data:

graphics.wsj.com/oil-barrel-breakdown/

The price of oil has gone down considerably because the world economy is slowing down and because a lot of supply has come online, from the shale oil boom in the US, Iran, and Saudis and Ruskis.

Can't we just say it's communism already?

mio-chan is not for sexual

"Real socialism still haven't been tried"

Basically, according to communist waffle 'Everything belongs to people!' so the people took home everything - machines, materials, plans, everything they can get their hands on, as a big fuck you to the fat, red book waving communist fucks who were just a bit more equal than the rest of us.

or that it would be okay if the whole world was socialist

What I'm asking is how people did so and how it's inherent to socialism.
What do you think when you read that "not real socialism" meme?

You will not get a good picture on Cred Forums. I have friends in Venezuela and there are several things and factors to take in consideration before the shitting state the country is now.

But basically can be resume into oil prices and the investments the country did during the years of wealth. Instead of focusing on increasing the production and other activities the government decided to give welfare to boost consumption, which basically created an inflationary spiral that lead to more welfare and failling production, when the prices of oil fall the entire scheme of the government came crushing down.

A FUCKING GARBAGE EATER.

What in God green's earth didjou just say bout MacDonald's?

Ain´t there designated areas around London for that yet?

You want to be a paki that badly?

>Some 85% of Americans lack essential vitamins

Shut up selfgenocideburger

she brought this on herself by being a gigantic yaoiwhore

>five year old boys can identify as girls and you're a bigot if you disagree
>grown men cannot identify as Muslims and you're a bigot if you disagree
>an entire country cannot identify as socialist and you need to educate yourself about real socialism if you disagree
>libfag """""logic"""""

So is Venezuela an example of what would have happened to us if not for the helicopter rides, or would it have gone differently over here?

That socialism efficiency amrite

Who the fuck do you think will pay for your little utopia? Not you, obviously, as always.
You think your nonsense about social and cultural change is something new? You think commies didn't try to comtrol every single aspect of our lives? From school to personal life? Jesus, I hate how you cunts always think how original you are. You are spouting exactly the same shit as hundred years ago, I have all heard it before.
Where the fuck do you think all those fascists comes fron in past few years. Everything is exactly as before, and I hope that as before you will end up with a bullet in your skull because you are not progressive enough.

>"Im not an ashamed arab albino descendent!"
>"Multiple human races"

Conservative fairy tales.

Is this the universal recycling envirocucks speak of?

haha

London is closer. It'll only work if you're brown though

>socialism
>not state capitalism

No sexualising the nichijous!!

delet this

discord.gg/7YcnTTB

let the reckoning begin

extremely pro hill chat bomb it with magas and the white nationalist symbol

Under rated

Also chekd

>making up terms to defend your failed "ideology"

look up "no true scotsman" you fucking moron

I have a lot of semen to feed them, should I go down there?

>Instead of focusing on increasing the production and other activities the government decided to give welfare to boost consumption, which basically created an inflationary spiral that lead to more welfare and failling production, when the prices of oil fall the entire scheme of the government came crushing down.
A-a country must be very dumb to fall in this farytale

>I get the whole socialism thing but what else is at play here? Corruption?
From what little I understand about socialism, corruption manifests within a socialist system by nature. So yes, probably corruption but this is because corruption is a part of socialism.

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I'm a NatSoc, not a Socialist, but let's get some facts straight.

Venezuela is not technically 'real socialism'. Now, 'real socialism' is hard to define but it means different things depending on the person saying it. We can assume, though, that 'real socialism' is Marxism. What you need to understand about Marxism is that it is a stateless, classless society, where the workers seize the means of production, with private property being abolished. Therefore, Venezuela is not 'real socialism' as it's not Marxist, because there is a state.

So what is Venezuela then? The answer is State Capitalism, as it is the state, not the workers, that seize the means of production. These nationalised industries are then run to try and make a profit for the government. This is State Capitalism.

By all means, bash leftists, but at least educate yourselves on leftism, or you're as stupid and ignorant as they are.

The best part is that Venezuela has a "right" in their constitution for food.

Leftist understanding of what rights are on full display.

That's populism, not socialism.

You could say the chavistas are really eating crow now

oh look, a long and grammatically coherent version of "no true scotsman." impressive.

11/10 Nigel
Great effortpost m8
t. Fellow NatSoc

>stateless society

Socialism is anarchy

medium.com/@victorniebla/a-dónde-se-fue-venezuela-6747f20a9068#.25aivoapg

This is the best explanation that I've found about what happened to this country.

Sadly, it's in spanish but long story (kind of)short:

>country finds oil in its territory
>relies completely on it
>does not give a fuck about diversifying its economy when it had to, you know, like every other country.
>socialism (yes, there was socialism before chavez but not as intense, kind of like the us), external and internal debt, free shit lmao
>oh no! oil prices went down! who would have predicted this?!
>everything goes to shit eventually, necessary neoliberal measures are taken, which lead angry people
>king kong(chavez) comes out and says: ayo fug dat shit where da free shit at nigga? gib me dat powa whitey
>gains support because poor, dumb and angry people

The rest is easy to figure out.

It would be 'no true scotsman' if I was a socialist arguing that my form of socialism is best. But I'm just a NatSoc telling it like it is.

Thanks m8. It's even easier to BTFO lefties when you understand their ideology better than they do themselves.

>what is caudillismo

There's a Venezuelan illegal immigrant at my college and she says things are fine so they're fine and that's why she's here and not in her home.

Socialism is technically just a period of transition towards Marxism. Marxism is technically anarchy in that there is no state, but there are worker cooperatives in it's place, so it's not the same, complete anarchy that you're familiar with.

If by Socialism we're talking about Marxism-Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism, Hoxhaism, Titoism, or other kinds of statist Socialism, then no, it's not anarchy. Marxists, by the way, would see these ideologies as a betrayal, hence the 'my socialism is the only true socialism' argument that you see often.

NOT REAL SOCIALISM

How bad is it guys? We wanna know coz we don't wanna end up like that.

Libertarians are mild marxists as well right? Because of the stateless nature and the social/cultural marxist element. Its just private ownership of marxism, where the means of production are privately owned right?

Guess who'd you have to blame that on?
Hint: said person is running for president in a very well known country.

>but there are worker cooperatives
How could it be that none of the workers can succeed over the others?

What's to stop one worker cooperative from taking over another?

What happens to people who don't work?

Yeah, people here are dumb and think some pretty boy messiah is gonna come and save this shithole. That's why they make dumb decisions.

It actually isn't though. Not a Socialist but let's not be ignorant here.

see

They also borrowed a ton of money expecting to pay it off with future oil revenue. Then the oil crash happened but the lenders still want their shekels

I'm a liberal and I recognize that Venezuela fucked itself. Only retard-tier liberals are pure socialists. What we don't like is you bringing up Venezuela when someone argues for free healthcare or free higher education. Some socialism is good but Venezuela just went full retard

You are thinking about the industrial definition of "work".

>B-BUT MUH SANCTIONS

TOP KEK

we have literally been their major trading partner and funding their government for decades

braindead fucking commies holy shit

that guy on the bottom left looks like he has a grand ol time anytime of the day no matter what.

stop calling it free. my economics teacher hates when you say "free -whatever". There is no free lunch. Resources and labor were used to create that healthcare and education. No doctor is gonna do shit for free likewise no professor is gonna teach for free. Sociialisms failure is it has zero incentive to work.

U-Utopia muhfucka....

R u a qt loli?

the lenders AKA the Chinese are even tired of their shit now and worried they won't get their money back (in payments of oil)

the retards borrowed even though oil was at record high prices despite the inevitability of price crash, while other exporters like Saudi Arabia and Russia were building hundreds of billions of dollars worth of reserves like they should have

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no he is an afro venezeulan who is a foot taller than you and cock as big.

Socially yes, because they don't care about morality. Libertarians still believe in a state, just a small one, so they aren't really the same. And of course Libertarians still believe in capitalism - this is the biggest dividing line.

>Its just private ownership of marxism, where the means of production are privately owned right?
Marxism is about a classless society though, with no private property at all. This differs significantly from the unregulated free market of Libertarianism.

There's a reason I'm not a Marxist. I think the whole things a pipe dream.

You'd better off asking an actual Marxist those questions, I'm just a NatSoc who knows a fair bit about it.

Can't you just nuke us or something?

Just come here pham. No need for violence.

every time

>breitbart
Do you have a real news source?

How does dog meat taste like?

Reminds me of my own country. Shit.

Venezuela is not socialist.
icl-fi.org/english/wv/1084/venezuela.html

Export your qt's first.

Here.

Smash dat muthafuggin helicopter button F A M

We must open our borders to all Venezuelans who need help. Please come to America and Canada for help.

The eternal Anglo

>Socialism: Have to starve
>Capitalism: Have the choice to become obese

Still support kuckitalism?
WEW
E
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National Socialism is superior buddy get over it.

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Who will make socialism great again?

How about we stop fucking trying then. Everyone that has tried to implement socialism has failed because eternally (kek) it will always fail no matter what you do.

>Socialism Still acceptable even though it's always failed
>National Socialism tried once and literally the most advanced civilizations of the 20th century within less than ten years.

WEW
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Venezuela is not real socialism.

I-I mean it!

It-it's really not!

WHY WON'T YOU BELIEVE ME!?

There were sucessful anarchist societies in the Spain Civil War. Stalin cucked them though.

I think you mean they were annihilated by superior ideology's. The USSR would have been crushed also if it hadn't been for the dastardly weather and Hitler butting in on grand strategy and War Doctrines that he had no knowledge of.

coming to a canadian near you!

Jesus Christ, that man is a xenophobe and a racist. He's completely unfit for the role of president and doesn't belong in the White House.

SAD!

I used to eat food from a dumpster every day. Most grocery stores here throw away perfectly good food just because an arbitrary expiration date passed. As long as they have a dumpster and not a compactor, you can usually get into one after midnight and not get caught.

Even though I am wealthy now, I was happier back then, because I was not redpilled yet.

idk

The point is, Marxism-Leninism shittted the bed hard, but that doesn't mean socialism it's impossible.

>bad things happen under socialism
>blame socialism
>bad things happen under capitalism
>blame the victims

kek

All of you guys mocking 'that's not real socialism'

Have a read of this:

That's nothing but a load of garbled terminology from someone who has no fucking clue what they're talking about. Marxism and socialism are not interchangeable terms. THat's like calling capitalism Smithism or Friedmanism. Read more.

Who gives a shit if it is state capitalism or socialism or whatever the fuck.
I'm hungry. Calling it something else won't fix 17 years of retards being retarded.

Wealth distribution. The rich are still wasteful.

Because in capitalism you have the option to get out of victim hood if you're smart. In socialism you're stuck at the bottom. What is so hard for you mentally challenged retards?

>Communism, Socialism ect = Shit tier
>Capitalism = Scrub tier
>National Socialism = GOD TIER

Socialism requires the dictatorship of the proletariat.
Leon Trotsky: The Workers' State, Thermidor and Bonapartism (1935)
marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1935/02/ws-therm-bon.htm

The dictatorship of the proletariat never existed in Venezuela.
"Under the Chávez regime, the Venezuelan bourgeoisie has made out very well"
icl-fi.org/english/wv/907/venezuela.html

NatSoc failed hard son. It's now a meme attached to this green dude.

a country shouldn't need to rely on international trade to feed itself.

>proletariat
Spare me your bullshit commie. Your ideology is made by globalist kikes that want to exploit the workers by giving them all the bare minimum (which never happens) while the kikes at the top laugh while drinking champagne. YOUR IDEOLOGY NEVER HAS AND NEVER WILL WORK JUST ACCEPT THAT NATIONAL SOCIALISM IS SUPERIOR.

so can i go down there and hos will take dick for a fuckin cheesburger or two?
anal for half a bag a chips and the rest of my soda?

It took the whole world to bring down National Socialism. And even at that they still had a chance of succeeding. Communism fell because the people finally revolted against it.

>American's don't realize that they too live in a social democracy.

Seriously guys, we are a mixed economy not a pure capitalistic economy. Socialism is basically a planned economy.

Your beef is with planned economics not with socialism. It's like you guys never took a macro economics class in your life.

They didn't do it just right.

Bernie would've done it right by allowing all the dindus to give their input.

A sector of our people did resorted to eating trash a decade ago tho

It is American capitalism that has destroyed Venezuela. Chavez took on American hegemony, America's Saudi allies dumped petroleum into the marketplace to hurt Russia, and Venezuela is just a side benefit.

The state department is hoping for a Pinochet in Venezuela to serve their patrons' interests.

Is there anything more European than this post?

I'm not talking about -cutting off nigger hands- dutch European, or even killing 90% of all native americans off because I sneezed spanish european, no I'm talking about pure rape of every colonial province of backwards primitives you can find anglo european. Just all rape, all the time.

How reliable is to eat garbage that was garbage once?

I've seen people take out leftovers from kfc trash bags and shit, but obviously the media exaggerates it to the maximum.

I hope trump wins and nukes petare y las mercedes

R u high paco?

Not high, but drunk.
Free day because hurricane warning.

The sad thing is seeing anons from Venezuela, Estonia, or Russia come on Cred Forums and say from first hand perspective that socialism doesn't work, yet people from the US, Canada, and western Europe praise it. Socialists need to be purged.

(You)

Sushi is what whores love over here, kek

Ill take that offer

>but what else is at play here? Corruption? What, what's going on?
Probably like what you fuckers are doing in Zimbabwe; sabatoge in order to make an example of a country that didn't work well with the international cummunity

>BUT IT WASNT REAL SOCIALISM
>USA SABOTAGE
>NEED ANOTHER CHANCE
>DIDNDUNUFIN'
>MUH OIL GIBSMEDAT

Friendly reminder that if you are a communist you are either a nigger or a fucking retard.

>we have such poos to show you...

> Socialism works guys

Dude, the world sanctioned the living shit out of us during the 70s and 80s and we didn't eat garbage.

what flag is this

It wasn't real socialism. Would you like to discuss why?.

'n Boer maak 'n plan

They don't mention the other 85% is eating extremely overpriced bread and expired butter.

There used to be a saying here that translates to "It is plentiful like rice". We can't say that anymore.

Cry me a river.

>my special form of socialism will work goy, believe me

>"Under the Chávez regime, the Venezuelan bourgeoisie has made out very well"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
As a ""bourgeoisie" myself, this is so retarded it hurts.

More Than Half of Russians Want New Soviet State - Poll
themoscowtimes.com/news/article/more-than-half-of-russians-want-new-soviet-state---poll/566745.html

Socialist Losers just got their teeth smashed out so fucking hard that Noam Chomsky had a stroke.

I have never seen such flawless BTFO. Such contemptuously easy Leftist Bootbyblasting.

Please, please god, let the oil prices raise.
Please, watching the commies burn is really fun but i really, really don't want them coming here.

underrated post

Yeah bro i know real SOCIALISM has never been achieved to its full potential and it will never be because its a retarded utopia to think that people will work selflessly for others for 0 profit.

Capitalism is the only system that works and has real achievements to show other that 20 million people starving because muh pol pot.

The end, now go back to your special forum.

You gonna get your own special brand of Farc communism real soon, just wait patiently, top kek.

"Workers who have occupied factories that have been bankrupted by their owners or shut down, like those at Sanitarios Maracay, have found themselves on the receiving end of the armed forces of the Chávez regime. In April 2007, as they made their way to Caracas to demand the nationalization of the company, workers from this factory were stopped by state police and army forces who fired on them, leaving 14 wounded and 21 arrested. Similarly, representatives of the public employees trade union who had gone to negotiate a contract with the Ministry of Labor in August 2007 were locked inside a room at the ministry and six days later driven out by hired thugs."
icl-fi.org/english/wv/907/venezuela.html

This is not the dictatorship of the proletariat.

"According to the World Bank, the richest 20 percent of the population continue to pocket 53 percent of all income while the poorest 20 percent are the recipients of a miserly 3 percent. While raking off massive profits, much of the bourgeoisie is taking its money out of the country as well as hoarding its products, resulting in soaring inflation and shortages of food and other basic necessities."
icl-fi.org/english/wv/907/venezuela.html

This is not socialism.

What do you want to call it? Stalinism? Top kek.

Next thing youll say is that "its not real Stalinism".

Socialism is the sate ownership of the means of production.

>our people
go back to paraguay

>implying FARC won't burn out withing 10 years because no one is going to vote for them
Granted, we have to wait and see what happens in 2018. Both santistas and uribistas have absolutely disappointed the people, so we need a decent alternative to not let the commies win a stable ground by getting support from the marginalized voters.
2018 is going to be the crucial year.

"Popular illusions notwithstanding, Chávez, a former army colonel, is a bourgeois nationalist administering a capitalist state. Far from undermining capitalism in Venezuela, Chávez’s referendum went out of its way to underline that private ownership of the means of production would be protected under the constitution."
icl-fi.org/english/wv/907/venezuela.html

"There is no doubt that the USSR today bears very little resemblance to that type of Soviet republic that Lenin depicted in 1917 (no permanent bureaucracy or permanent army, the right of recalling all elected officials at any time and the active control over them by the masses “regardless of who the individual may be,” etc.)."
marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1935/02/ws-therm-bon.htm

Thats precisely what socialism and communism is, take away everything from the dirty capitalist dogs and create a new burgeois class that runs the country to the ground by being plainly retarded and because the proletariat cant produce 1 ton worth of food to save their lives.

Ayy

You just gonna copy paste shit? I guess you cant form an opinion of your own. You should come visit caracas, jason unruhe, im sure you'll love starving and getting murdered by a capitalist entrepeneur in this neoliberal country.

"we stand in political opposition to the Stalinist bureaucratic misrulers—a parasitic layer sitting on top of proletarian property forms—whose nationalist dogma of “socialism in one country” is an obstacle to the defense of the workers states. Rather than fighting to win the working masses in Latin America and the U.S. to the struggle for international socialist revolution, the Castroite Stalinist bureaucracy has fostered illusions in “progressive” bourgeois regimes, from Salvador Allende in Chile in the early 1970s to Chávez today."
icl-fi.org/english/wv/909/cuba.html

Lets hope for the good of the continent las farc dont get a free pass to your congress.

(You)

How is life like for the average Venezuelan? Were those people eating garbage poor before the reforms?

Also, how is your current situation viewed internally? Do people support the current ruling party? If not how come people aren't in the streets demanding change?

...

>socialism
>That's nor REAL socialism

How come every time socialism(and communism) inevitably fails you fags same this same shit?

I honestly thank god for Venezuela. My country has had a center-right government for three terms because the center-left has gone hard left over he last few years. People always want a change, so all things being equal people would be likely to want to switch governments next term. But because everybody is being confronted with the downside of hardcore leftism, it probably won't happen. But it is terrifying, NZ could easily go the direction of Venezuela, lots of robber-barons around.

I am copying relevant quotes. If there was the dictatorship of the proletariat there would not be a new bourgeois class because the rulers would not be allowed to have a higher living standard than that of a skilled worker and the rulers would be able to be recalled by a referendum at any time.

If you have a decent job you buy your shit in the black market, but if you earn min wage youre basically surviving on yuca everyday.

People barely protest because they are scared as fuck that theyll get thrown into jail, plus the gov took all the weps and closed all the civil armories long ago.

>filename

What's happening in Venezuela is exactly what happened to the Philippines by the dictatorship of Ferdinand Marcos: a tyrannical despot has unlimited authority and managed to transfer all the useful assets to offshore bank shelters, all the while the people he claims to represent suffer.

>Being this self-unaware
The created dictatorship would become the bourgeoisis

I look at each case in which "socialism" or "communism" has been tried and identify what went wrong in that specific case.

>checks comment
>checks flag
nothing new here

DUDE SOCIALISM ROLF

The reason you get away with your bullshit not real socialism is because you define your special socialism in terms of outcomes and institutions which is cheating.

Venezuela bros send me a qt like this and I'll bring all the burgers I can carry.

I see that user has no response. Little faggit

D-DOES THIS MEAN SOCIALISM DOESN'T WORK?!?!?

M-m-my family owns a potato farm if y-you're i-interested.

Because capitalism is about leaving people to their own devices.

You do not understand what the dictatorship of the proletariat is. It is the rule of an entire class and in order for it to work there has to be the right to have recall referendums. In my ideal communist society there would be no gun control so there would be the threat of a revolution if the government abused its power.
Karl Marx said: "Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary."
marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/communist-league/1850-ad1.htm

See

>In my """"ideal"""" communist society

Im not starving yet :^)

>%15

Surprisingly low, desu

That's because you're on EU life support.

What is wrong with having an idea of what an ideal society should be?.

It will never happen, thats whats wrong.

Just look at all the attempts during the 20-21st centuries.

Truly the nigger of all ideologies, always failing, always needing free shit, always needing another chance.

The company that was farming them was farming too many and so stealing jobs from people who didn't work there so they were ordered by the government to throw their surplus away so they don't start profiteering.

How many venezuelan girls look like this

"socialism"
it's not socialism if they didn't achieve the tenants of socialism

did you eat garbage today?

I bet it tastes like poo, something you Indian's are very familiar with.

UH.... REAL COMMUNISM HASN'T BEEN TRIED YET!!!! *tips manifesto*

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Nah nigga, chicken n rice

Why the fuck are you even talking about communism in a socialist thread? Communism is anarchist. You have just described is just democracy which Venezuela even had. You're not defending any of the economic failures of the system portrayed in this thread. Socialism is by definition the state ownership of the means of production and Venezuela nationalized multiple industries such as oil, agriculture, steel, transport, education, etc.

So maybe I'm just dumb but why don't they grow their own food? Venezuela is on the equator yes? Beautiful vegetative place next to a rain forest.

There's a demand for food, why can't the people naturally adjust to supply it? Aquire seeds, make garden. Harvest seeds to make bigger garden. Eat food, no longer eating out of garbage.

Am I missing something here?

I have already explained that the dictatorship of the proletariat has never been implemented, so I am not saying that socialism needs another chance. Maybe it never will happen, but I see nothing wrong with an economy for human need and not for profit.
There are no communist parties that I fully agree with.

so yes you did eat garbage

Chavez took all the farms, gave them to dumb people, production plunmeted.

FUCK.

>rich
>socialism

Pick one.

kek

With capitalism, poor people are forced to eat worse food than rich people.

With socialism, nobody has any food at all so the problem is solved.

Chickin n rice cooked chinese style is imba, dunno whatchutalkinbout

>but I see nothing wrong with an economy for human need and not for profit.
That's the problem. People don't work for "human need" they work for self interest and profit.

A country that produces oil should NEVER EVER starve, no matter what the (((sanctions))) are.

Oil is literally the only thing you need to grow food and they've got shitloads, for fuck's sake.

Enjoy your fap, burger.

Surely socialists would see the problem in giving farms to non professional farmers. I can't even understand it at all.

What did you all do before oil crashed? Is Venezuela so devoid of any other natural resource that you cannot make anything other than oil out of the ground? Why do you all hate having wealth so much?

well fuck. America dead then?

Its been all about oil after the perez jimenez government. Coffee and chocolate are major but nowhere close to oil.

You guys actually have a huge surplus of food production atm.

>but I see nothing wrong with an economy for human need and not for profit.

I work in the IT of a major bank.

Do you know why I work hard all week, put up with the stress, and try to come up with great solutions to problems all the time?
Because at the end of the month I get paid a hefty paycheck.

I couldn't give a shit about you being able to log into your internet banking at 3 o' clock. You could be stranded in a sea of 2004-era Flash pages for all I care.

If I was paid as much and had the same career opportunities as a fucking burger flipper I'd do that instead.

A Spartacus Youth Club speaker said from the floor: “We are communists, socialists—we use the two terms interchangeably. There’s no difference between the two."
icl-fi.org/english/wv/952/iso.html

It's what happens when the government forces the price of goods and services.

>implying even half of it reaches the population and dosnt end up in political pockets

Wew

There is a difference between the two. Communism is the workers ownership of the means of production and is akin to anarcho-syndicalism.

Venezuela is so poor they can't keep the oil refinery they lease for a steal from our island. Currently the Chinese are in talks to take it over and actually invest in it.
Venezuela getting cucked by a tiny Caribbean island of only 150k.

We are reliant in ME Oil.

still a better deal
you will always be a slave, question is what kind of slavery. I would say it is better to be a slave of eu than to be a slave of ussr or ottomans.

I never implied that Socialism and Marxism are interchangeable, I was just assuming that the sort of people who say 'it's not real socialism' are Marxists.

Aren't you the trip fag that's gotten some care packages before? How's things holding up? Any light at the end of the tunnel or is anyone plotting revolution yet?

I pity countries that are communist by force, like North Korea, and mock the countries that are communist by choice, like Venezuela and Greece.

Communism cannot exist without corruption.

I got a single care package from a texas Cred Forumsack, things are stale, the only light so far comes from international pressure building up (if pdvsa defaults even mugabe is gonna come knock for his money).

But amerigoyim, the EU IS the Ottomans. Its just that they're letting others do the raping for them.

>We are reliant in ME Oil.
Only indirectly via the effect on world markets. The oil we actually consume in America comes from Canada, USA, Mex, and S.Am

Are venezeulans white?

Define Communism and define Socialism.

As far as I'm concerned, Communism is an umbrella term including Marxism, M-L, Stalinism, Trotskyism, Maoism, Hoxhaism, etc. while Socialism describes a society transitioning towards a Communist (though in theory Marxist) society. Although I think Socialism can be used as an umbrella term for everything left of Social Democracy.

Venezuela owes money to Zimbabwe? How low can a country get?

Socialism and communism mean different things to different people.

I was just making a point, kek. But dunno, might be possible.

50/50

We get something like 40% of our oil from here at home. If we included Canada in a trade deal, we'd retain over half of our current oil.

>REAL socialism
Well, humans are too individualistic to make socialism work capitalism is more fit for humans.

This literally happens every day in Spain and Colombia. And we're not socialists.

And neither is Venezuela. It's a third-world social-democracy.

no it is not, ottoman empire was literally 30-40 years of peak and a continuous 500 years of decline, very little scientific development or progress and only saw their subjects as either conscripts or tax source. At least with eu you get science,progress and some degree of stability.

You are Bulgaria, not saying this as a derogatory insult but to indicate that you don't have the luxury of being independent or preventing corruption-nepotism. But at least you can pick and choose whom you are a slave to. EU is a far better master than all your previous masters.

Not saying embelzzlement etc are not problematic, but it is better how have embezzlement-corruption problems under EU than under Iron Curtain or Ottomans.

99% of the american population eat garbage.

>social demcracy

Pretty sure Venezuela has a huge bureaucratic elite that do things regardless of what the voters say.

>how
to have**

How are the churches in Venezuela? You're all catholic right? Why doesn't the Catholic Church organize a big international aid program to get you guys some basic shit like food and toilet paper. Or does your commie government hate religion just as much as it hates seeing people fed?

Wait that's stupid. why don't socialists seize the profits instead of the means of production? It'd make a lot more sense if people still did and bought what they wanted but the government handled the money and you just paid any profits into the system? I mean it's still insane consolidation and it means everyone's at the mercy of the government but at least you don't end up with farmers digging for metals because a bureaucrat told them to.

>social democracy
>t-totally not socialism you guys
Spain and Colombia are just as communist as Venezuala.

15% would be 7 fucking million people. You damn well know we don't have those numbers.
Most poor people are farmers with 1000m2 of land or less, and the displaced niggers in the city who stopped looking for a job because juggling in front of stoplights can give you more money than a BSc.

>Enforce massive embargoes on tiny shithole country because you can't own it anymore and claim you just disagree with their politics.
>People eat shit to starve.

Yup, socialism is to blame, clearly. You faggots are just sore you're not getting free oil from them anymore.

Fixing socialism is so fucking easy

The churches organize big communal soup kitchens and shit, but the vatican baiscally abandoned us, they dont even want to mediate between the gov and the opo.

I hope pablo iglesia rapes your ass with a big red dildo made out of putrid bread

>Venezula's sales of petroleum are directly related to how much food they have
>not socialism

m8...

Were slaves to no one, they can sanction us all they want for killing refugees but they will never get people to stop defending our nation from muslims.

>EU
>progress

Warsaw needs to be reborn.

/thread, 100% enlightened 'Murica has spoken.

People in your country are as poor and miserable as Venezuela and you know it. Plus the state-guerrilla wars worsened your situation.

Also your narco-paramilitary is pathetic.

Holy shit that's rare.

your call, I still believe eu is a far better deal than warsaw pact, but maybe you will be more happy under communism again, who knows.

Rather have Pablo Iglesias or Garzon than a twink Capriles, US cuck.

REVOLUCION O MUERTE!
VIVA LA GNB! VIVA PETARE, LOS MALANDROS, EL TREN DE ARAGUA TUTUTUUTUTT

The self-sufficient country is a myth.

Not like you convicts would understand that.

>literally happens every day in Spain

but, it doesn't?

>tfw you will never ride a chopper with pinochet throwing commies to their death

Why even live

Enjoy your bread lines, civil war style.

Communism was better under Warsaw pact than the Soviet Union, and hell of alot better than this brothel called the EU

>ad hominem instead of addressing the subject
do you have a real argument?

Asking for a legit source is not a personal attack unless you happen to be Andrew Breitbart.

If that's the case, we'd like to know more about how resurrection works and how we can get in on it.

Any qt Venezuelans boys want to be my bf/puppet/slave?

Must do whatever I say, be a good cook and also a good lover.
In return I'll marry you and bring you over to Canada to live with me. No garbage on our menu, only pancakes and hams. Deal?

Oh, we do have poor people, but it's nowhere near whatever you think. Most of those are out in the sticks, and they're poor because of local corruption. And even so, we have venezuelans immigrating here all the time because they'd rather beg in a place where there are coins to spare.
Furthermore, Venezuela is royally fucked and out of money, while we simply have shitty wealth distribution. Our oil is bad, but production is thriving.

this is what the avergae venezuelan looks like

>BBVA Frances

Wew lad, you just posted the average argies

Glad you recognize it, red. The sooner you give up your communism, the sooner freedom and prosperity will come to you.

why SHOULD wealth be distributed you fucking commie?
capitalism is a meritocracy

EAT OFF STREET

So you're wanting to join the EEU instead?

Oh come on, don't call the only LA country that has never been lefty "fucking commie". You know what I mean.
I should also remind the thread that we have 12% nigger population, who live day by day fishing and even forego government help, because they can't give a shit about anything. We might be the niggerest country in LA and we're still pretty well off thanks to capitalism.

if breitbart were the only site reporting on it, then you'd be somewhat right, but they're not, so you're both total faggots.
read the fucking article. It cites several other news sites and reports, and the poll in question is from fucking south america.
you don't get to disregard facts because the place reporting them doesn't give you advice on how to be a bigger cuck

This.

BLEACHED

Thats a wet dream

Mira mariquito que haces usando un trip? de verdad que das grima pana, quitate esa mierda y deja de ser tan puta

JAJAJAJAJ SUFRE CARACAS
CONTEMPLA COMO TU PAIS SE DESPLOMA

eheehheeh good one fratello

Callate mamaguevo y devuelvete pa hispachan a chuparle las bolas a los peruanos, que la gente grande esta hablando.

>pic related

Just because it always fails at its aims doesn't mean that they didn't try, just because a magic ritual fails to summom an unicorn doesn't that it isn't "real" magic.

Libertarians aren't marxist in any way at all, its no that they don't care about morality, they don't believe that morality should be enforced by an state, most libertarians are actually conservatives in most issues when it comes to lifestyle.

i DO NOT know.
inequality is GOOD.

Most of Capitalism's problems are magnified in the socialist transitional period, and quickly cemented. At least in Capitalism when a particular group of fuckheads starts consolidating power it takes long enough for everyone to freak out and fix it.

"Globalist policies will make us all rich!"
"Okay sounds good."

-Over the course of decades huge multinational corporations start sucking up all the resources and try to push a fuck huge treaty through that will let them bankrupt any country that argues with them while cementing copyright laws that will basically allow them to lease you the right to breath for a monthly subscription, power focused in the hands of a few over the many.-

Then a few people notice. "OH HELL NO, FUCK TPP." The rage ball starts rolling, grows, and now it's to the point where regardless of ideology for the most part every scrub in the streets is foaming at the mouth to kill any politician trying to push TPP. Saying you're against it is basically required to run for president.

With fuckin' Marxist shit the one group consolidates power, turns ideology into religion, and cements it all fast enough to just outright murder anyone who tries to build the initial rage ball for the next 50 years. Every. Time.

TL : DR let power get too focused in one group of people and magically they try to fuck you as hard as possible for more shekels. Whatever system makes it harder is best.

And trying to do communism is like saying "Well, look, you can get out of jail, but first you need to bend over and spread your ass cheeks real wide while directing it at all these niggahs. Don't worry, you won't get raped. I promise."

JAJAJAJA ANDA A COMER AREPA

Oh for fuck's sake.
we have many poor people but we also have many rich people. Obviously the cause isn't muh ebil capitalism. I even mentioned the lazy niggers, hinting at meritocracy weeding out the weak.
Get off me, you dirty ignorant ape who thinks ignoring context on purpose is witty.

"not even state property is as yet socialist property, for the latter has as its premise the dying away of the state as the guardian of property, the mitigation of inequality and the gradual dissolution of the property concept even in the morals and customs of society. The real development in the Soviet Union in recent years has followed a directly opposite road. Inequality grows and, together with it, state coercion."
icl-fi.org/english/wv/900/qotw.html

Sucks brah

Wish we could help

>we also have many rich people
Yeah, most of which are drug dealers.

That garbage isn't going to eat itself.

Sick burn bro, I'm glad you watch all the novelas we shit out. Keep buying them.