I know you guys have heard of the red pill, but what about the Benzo Pill? Benzos make you:

I know you guys have heard of the red pill, but what about the Benzo Pill? Benzos make you:
-Not give a fuck
-Literally never scared of anything
-Call black people niggers to their face
-Comfortable in social situations
-Comfortable with women
What's not to love?

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Lol ending up in jail and not knowing why

Aren't they really fucking awful to quit?

I used to do them a lot.
Try not to do them much anymore, you can't get any work done on them.
they are wonderful though, very pleasant.
Just sitting outside feeling the wind hit my face was so nice. It makes everything so much nicer.
Is this how normies feel?

I lost my virginity once I started taking benzos

>Needing courage from a pill

This mane. Benzos are for faggots and LoL players

supposedly. i took 3 mg of xanax a night for 7 months and quit by weening myself and using benadryl to help me sleep and i quit in 2 weeks. Going complete cold turkey wouldnt be hard if it wasnt for the sleep. some people have seizures though

Anyone ever try Phenibut?

Degeneracy. There is only one pill, the glorious pill. Get swole, you will have all the confidence you need.

Benzos are GABA receptor agonists.
They hit the same receptors in your brain that alcohol does. Just in varying strengths at the different subreceptors.

Shut up, science bitch.

On it and Modafinil and Sceletium right now.

psychologytoday.com/blog/side-effects/201011/brain-damage-benzodiazepines-the-troubling-facts-risks-and-history-minor

Go for it if you want brain damage.

My friend is addicted to those right now....it's sad. Dude can't even string a sentence together half the time. Couldn't tell you what he had done all week or what he ate for breakfast. He'll get violent too. They make some people super irritable and crazy if you take too much but not enough so you're useless.

Oh, OK. Sorry.

I had a friend that popped some xanax and went to sleep. She never woke back up. Dead at 19.

Addiction to them is suffering

How did people become so convinced that negative emotions aren't """normal""" and need 40 different pills to not feel them?

Seriously, its NORMAL to feel sad, depressed, angry and scared. Its called LIFE, it comes with both good and bad times.

The LD50 for alprazolam is incredibly high. I really doubt your friend died on xanax alone unless she took hundreds of pills.
That's the reason we switched from barbiturates to benzodiazepines. The LD50 for benzos is much higher than you'll get in a bottle for a month.

My doctor recommended those back in the day, didn't take them because I don't want to be hooked up on the medicine jew. SSRIs are bad enough.

SSRI's have worse side-effects and a chance to cause organ damage. Benzodiazepines are only dangerous during withdrawals because they cause seizures.
In general, you'll be doing less damage to your body and experience less side effects from benzos compared to SSRI's.

Tolerance is a much bigger issue with benzos, though.

They will slow your abstract thinking. Ever tried to write an essay or solve a math problem while under it?

>why don't you pop some neurotoxic docile goy pills?

only drug I know of other than alcohol where the withdrawal can kill you

I tried benzos once
That's ONCE through my druggie years
Not a great high for a terrifying withdrawal if you stop taking it, l couldn't sleep for 2 days
If you're doing drug do hydrocodone or weed

>fall asleep at parties early
>forget everything
>seizures when you start withdrawing

YEAH WHAT A GREAT DRUG

I already am like that/do those things.

>SSRI's have worse side-effects and a chance to cause organ damage

It's what you use and what dosage. I used mostly Lexapro and Bupropion for around a year, I don't think I got anything bad out of them aside the side effects during the first few weeks.

This. All nigger tier pills like this are for weak minded fucks. I just quit the last vice I had, weed, after 8 years of smoking every day. Made it through university easily and I'm a successful engineer. Just didn't want anything from it to pass down to my kids I will be making soon.

medfag and I take benzos, doesn't effect my ability to study/concentrate at all

Phenibut is literally a miracle drug, no idea why more people don't know about it

>be on modafinil and phenibut
>waste it posting on Cred Forums

why

i got addicted to those, they're not redpilled at all. the withdrawal can also be life threatening. i thought they would help me through tough times but they just made tough times worse

yes, harder than opiates, cigarettes imo

>the LD50 of alprazolam in rats is 331 to 2171 mg/kg
you would need hundreds or thousands of pills to OD on alprazolam alone. You're trolling or your friend was retarded

The withdrawals are just as bad as benzo withdrawals and you're tolerance builds up so quickly. Don't recommend it, especially if you're prone to abusing dosages.

If your SSRI's are truly working for you then stick with them.
I was just speaking generally.

what kind of benzos grant this mystic power, it sure aint valium

I've wonder the same thing when I've taken Xanax or Ativan. I've only taken them a handful of times, usually during panic attacks. I go from thinking everything is going to go bad and I'm about to die to smiling and not caring about anything.

Do people who don't have anxiety or depression feel like this most of the time?

>Oh, OK. Sorry.
Lol it was interesting. But alcohol is shit tier as well. Not that I haven't had a million awesome days and nights drinking, just overall I think it eventually rekts your mind.

>benzos
Never again. Once was enough for me.

I used to slang these back in '03 when they read GG249 with a big 2 on the back.

Used to snort the fuck out of them too


Baarrrrrrrrrface McGee


Got arrested and went to rehab. Charges dropped cause I was 17

Be careful with those things.

The LD50 for humans is going to be a much smaller amount of MG's to KG's. Rats and smaller animals tend to take a higher amount than humans for a lethal dose when compared to weight.
There's no official LD50 for alprazolam for humans I know of, but it's still going to be high. I'd assume at least 100mg/KG, but that's just a guess.

Yea he's gonna end up hurting himself or others soon. Intervene.

tablet jew worst of degeneracy

I take benzos off and on. Max 2 or 3 times a week for 3 years. Never feel addicted. I could quit anytime I want, but I guess that's what an addiction would say. Anyways I don't think they're too altering, but maybe I don't take enough of it.

It's normal to have those feelings but when you're life is consumed by anxiety or depression you probably could use meds.

Benzos are shit
gabapentin is fucking magic
It has no withdrawal and it just makes everything delightful

Lol

I also have an allergy to benzos. Everytime i take them i break out in handcuffs.

Benzos keep me from having seizures since I'm epileptic. Usually take 20mg of diazepam 3 times a month when I feel a seizure coming on. Shit has saved and changed my life.

>That's right goy!
>Juts pop one of these magic pills!
>Don't bother getting support and fixing your life!
>We couldn't bill you insurance otherwise!

shut ur mouth you drunk fin i think you bet you real touch you real drunken moron i hope you fall into ice water and DIE!

I have an actual sensitivity to benzos to the point where 1/4mg of xanax can make me black out.
Before I knew this, I was prescribed them two times.
The first time I blacked out and woke up in the hospital with a torn esophagus.
The second time I blacked out, briefly remember being in a jail cell, then woke up in the hospital.

Benzos have been pretty shitty to me, but they've benefited a lot of patients at my pain rehabilitation.

Nearly died twice WDing on those things. Once a week turns into every other day, then that turns into every day use. Its like heroin, you have to take a lot just to keep the WD's away, and if you actually want to feel anything I'd have to take double.

Learned my lesson the second time I ran out.

>make you tired
>addictive
>cause psychosis

I don't think you understand, my dude, we're literally in Brave New World now.
The anti-christian hedonistic cabal has nearly won though their intrusions into houses of thought and research. Any anger, any sads, any joy is because you want to fug your mom and murder your dad, etc, and it doesn't help that "mental health" is shilled everywhere. I'm legit fucking depressed and I just don't even try to get help for fear of becoming a robotic wageslave because after all, if you don't own your mind, what do you own?

you're not a bartard though, you have a legitimate medical reason to use benzos.

what if you dont abuse it? ive had them and not abused them. seems pretty chill. lowered my stress a ton. kind of set me straight.

Haha oh shit you bastard. They still make them. Of course, the real ones that say Xanax in them were always my pref.

Stopped doing that shot after a year. Fucking sloppy retard fuckface drooly McGee on those things.

I like to wake up now and remember why I exist. That you don't think its the day it was a week ago.

The LD50 is a measure of toxicity and has nothing to do with any benzo deaths. Most people who die from benzos die after combining it with alcohol or opiates and then suffering from respiratory depression in their sleep.

Benzos are great if you can use them sparingly. Phenibut was probably the best thing i've taken in terms of making me a better person, until it just stopped working altogether.

I was also addicted. I've quit cocaine, cigarettes, drinking, methamphetamine, and ketamine.

Quitting those things was easy, quitting Xanax was a fucking nightmare.

Doesn't mean I can't enjoy a good benzo buzz when I need it. I never had a substance abuse problem, although I do enjoy it when I have to use it.

Withdrawal is literally hell and it can kill you.

yep, right there with you. good on you quitting all of it. that shit was nasty, I'd be sweating and getting hallucinations during withdrawals

I take Lexapro not benzos. Also it's cheaper for me to go to my psychiatrist once every 6 months and pay $40 copay and pay $10 a month for meds than going to therapy twice a month paying $40 each visit. Granted I do both but it's not always a Jewish trick. Some people legitimately need meds if they have a chemical imbalance.

PhDfag here. It takes much more time to write papers or presentations while under the effect.

Maybe you are taking the ones with a short halftime. I can only steal from my mother bromazepam.

Didnt do shit to me

>chemical imbalance

meme condition, though I'll admit its real but very VERY rare

>what's not to love?

Addiction. I've heard the withdrawal and tapering off period for Benzo addiction is particularly lengthy, like a year to wean off of them, vs the weeks or couple months it takes for everything else.

Im right there with you bro. They have the total opposite effect on me. The two times i have taken them i have become paranoid, delusional, aggressive, hostile and just generally fucking crazy with no memory of the events until a week later. Have also woken up in jail with no clue how i got there or why i was there.

Bezos=the ultimate bluepill

not all of us were born with intact brains senpai

the shit the jews put in the plastic and the milk must've gotten to me

I've got delusions, mild hallucinations, as well as this anxiety bullshit from since the days when I can first remember

I'm fucked up senpai, I just want to live a normal life.

You don't need a pill to not be afraid.

Just concentrate on dealing with whatever the problem is. And if the problem is not in front of you to deal with, you have nothing to fear anyways.

most benzo deaths come from respiratory fail,not really OD but still dangerous

how quickly does withdrawal set in if you've been using it for months or years?

That's a damn shame, I was just looking into that

I'm really prone to abusing substances.

Anything you've found that helps

Hey guess what faggot

In the same shoes, but my doctor is going to give me a sicknote soon so i can claim big neet money (£350 a week) for agrophobia, ill be able to get my own place hopefully

I'm 19, how is the welfare for you in the US of A?

>All these chucklefucks using LD50 to refer to humans

What fucking school taught you pharmacology? LD50 is used strictly in rodents, and is especially useless when it comes to psychoactive drugs. In humans we use TD50 (toxic dose) and a toxic event is very fucking different from a lethal event. The therapeutic index for a drug in rodents is completely non-applicable to humans.

You guys need to stop doing your drug research on wikipedia.

>take a shitton of benzos
>pass out and stop breathng
>not an OD

you wanna run that by me again?

Keep telling yourself gabapentin has no withdrawals.

And this is where the plot thickens

There's a handful of people who legitimately need some kind of help.

But our medical """""professionals""""" just want to make a quick profit.

Real question is how do we fix this and still help the people who really need it?

destroys your Testosterone

good for keeping alcoholics from seizing

if you're on klonopin, i know you already failed at life

>Needs to take drugs to stop being a cuck
Fuck off

>taking enough drug to induce respiratory failure isn't considered an overdose

Now I know where the expression "it's all Greek to me" comes from.

So much this.

One time I snorted 5mg of Xanax, blacked out, and came to in a jail cell. Shit's fucked up.

>what's not to love
They're harder to quit than opiates

i was using every day ~6 months, so there may be someone more qualified to weigh in, but if i tried to stop I'd get irritable and neurotic within 8 hours, by 12 hours, minor hallucinations (mostly audio, not visual) and sweating, inability to sleep, etc.

I was also drinking a lot at the time, so idk how much of that is intertwined

shut up bitch ill come to ur house with a gun and LET it go ATAATATATATATATTA on u

xanax ruined my life, exercise and meditation will help you deal with anxiety.

No need to take a shitton.respiratory fail can happen with a xanax bar and a beer

its not OD related,more like drug related

Get lawyers and the DEA off of the doctor's backs. If we didn't have to worry about lawyers we wouldn't mind sending patients home angry because they didn't get their drugs and if we didn't have to worry about the DEA then we wouldn't worry about giving patients the drugs we want to prescribe them.

respiratory failure is the main reason heroin addicts die you dope, it depresses your central nervous system so much your body can't even breath

they're right, you are a moron

One of my friends in college had a seizure from withdrawals in the middle of class and had to be carried out in a stretcher.

Other than that I quite like them but with all things moderation is key and benzo tolerance builds rather quickly.

You just got rused

As long as you only use phenibut 2 or 3 times a week you will build no tolerance and there will be no withdrawal

Just take it on Friday and Saturday and you're golden

KYS
Benzos are literally at smaller doses the blue pill.
>not give a fuck
That's the black pill retard

If you're a benzo zombie. Please. Please kill yourself

no shit, but we're not talking about mixing drugs. We're talking about benzodiazepines

Only thing not to love is the amnesia. But yeah

Plz be my ai gf

I have Valium which is very weak compared to Xanax.

I mainly use it to help me sleep.

People get silly ideas about these "downers" like you'll be a drooling idiot but you take them properly you'll just relax.

I also have amphetamines for when I want to get work done.

For whatever reason I don't get addicted to things very easily so I can get them in big amounts, I go through amphetamines at glacial speed despite having lots of them on hand.

Though I am shamelessly addicted to shitposting and have no intentions of ever quitting.

i've read that benzos make your anxiety worse when you get off them? my anxiety is so bad it spills into social time and being a neet literally just augments the shittiness of it

I would advise not to go down that rabbit hole.

No I get what he's saying now, he means most Xanax deaths come accidental overdoses of depressants. Heroin overdoses tend to occur because of tolerance.

Still it's all meaningless bullshit because when we talk about an "overdose" we usually mean of a single drug but the threshold for an overdose is not static at all--it can change dramatically depending on the chronic effects of the drug or any other drugs in the body that are acting synergistically.

i know a guy who became super addicted to these and then started doing meth in conjunction. he ended up spending 3 months in rehab. he couldn't string together a sentence either, his eyes were half closed all the time. smart kid too

If you are diagnosed with a mental illness, does the state give you free money?

Clearly you need to up the retardant dosage with such outbursts

Ditto user. My boyfriend. It's weird to wake up next to a dead body.

>he's not fully in charge of his neurons and when they fire

did you fug him?

>he thinks he's fully in charge of all his neurons and when they fire

Well, he was pretty stiff.

Benzos make anything you could possibly imagine worse when you get off them. It's psychological crucifixion, and you sound like someone who would get completely dependent on them easily. It's hell.

It's like that with most medical conditions.

"Oh you're fat piece of shit and you have high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and diabetes, here take these 5 drugs instead of dieting and exercising"

It's part of the doctors oath to do whatever THEY can to keep someone alive. If someone doesn't want to diet and exercise the doctors can't force them so next best thing is meds.

Same with mental illness. If someone is slightly depressed or has slight anxiety for a brief period they don't want to deal with their shit so they get meds from their doctor or file a complaint with their insurance company or switch doctors. A lot of it is patient guiding the doctors to do what they want. Also general practice doctors won't be as good to determine the extent of someone mental illness than a psychiatrist so they will over prescribe drugs than what a specialist might.

Cold turkey fucking sucks nigger. You have no idea, it feels like fucking shit. You're dizzy and nasue for ever from that. Like being in a washing machine.

medfag, you don't have to think, only memorize

i honestly don't know. i should probably check into it because my anxiety makes me such an idiot when i work i doubt myself and can't complete any tasks without quadruple checking that i did it correctly. i'm not an idiot either, but it's gotten so bad in the last 3 years.

:/ i had people pushing benzos and other drugs on me, saying i need to be medicated because what i experience isn't normal anxiety or depression but that kind of withdrawal sounds so frightening. thanks for the honesty, i appreciate it.

Nazis were major users of amphetamines, my moon-man. So if that's your politics keep that in mind.

Used as directed, they make you far more productive.

Don't see it as needing them to operate at 100%, but instead temporarily going to 120%.

Bupropion isn't an SSRI

This actually is a myth

Withdrawals would be manageable of it weren't for the major insomnia. You feel like complete shit and all you want to do is sleep or off, but it's literally impossible. Absolute hell.

Sub-Lawyer (work in the legal department underneath the "head" of legal) for unnamed southern-united states hospital here.

You'd be suprised at how many times in the last decade I've had to help defend a few scumbag doctors who legitimately forced some wild fucking addictions on people.

Some that really stuck in memory
> Old woman complained of back problems that a simple surgery would fix, but her doctor recommended against it, and died of opiate withdrawal whenever she left the hospital on promises that the pain was temporary and recieved a one time prescription. No evidence of abuse on the patient's part, and we had to settle for literal millions with her family to keep him out of prison.

> Kid breaks both legs in car accident, by ""kid"" I mean 17 year old, in contrast of his failing physical therapy attempts after the bones healed, essentially he had problems walking from pain whenever he moved, the doctors decided the best course of action, over the next 9 months of PT, was to prescribe him hydrocodone that he popped nearly daily. Suit arose after the kid overdosed on heroin a year later
These are taking too long to type, but you get the idea. Doctors aren't all trustworthy despite their proffession

This, they used the same tactics with NK, they don't spew it anymore but people remember these things and take them in as fact

remember when oxycontin and hydrocodone were being marketed by big pharma to doctors as "non addictive morphine alternatives"?

good times

It varies by state but you generally have to be dysfunctional to qualify for disability.

I have anxiety and general panic disorder and I'd never qualify for disability because I can go to work and take care of myself. People who get disability for anxiety would have it so bad that ssris might not help and they'd can't leave their house or perform normal work task

> court mandated therapy sessions
> Lol ok thanks for the free Xanax script I pay 8$ for because amazing insurance

They absolutely used them, mainly for staying awake.

The allies used them as well.

In fact anybody that knew about them and could make them, used them and crews today still use them to stay awake.

I found my brother dead in my house bathroom from those. Brought him back to life 10 minutes later of car/mouth to mouth. Thank got the paramedics got their 1 minute later. He eco tinted to relapse twice after that. Xanax is more degenerate and dangerous than Herion you faggot. Blue pill suppository your taking there my friend.

No, it's true. Amphetamines were used both by Allies and Axis forces in WWII. It was most popular among airplane pilots because at high altitudes you can get sickness and lose focus

You should take a benzo so you can type worth a damn

The entire pharma industry is so inflicted with jew-greed that I'm shocked any medical advances have happened in the last decade. Half of my job (when not defending malpractices) is just reading contracts with accountants to out-jew the jews for medical supplies. They do some outrageous shit to squeeze out every last penny from both doctors and patients.

Not to mention most private practices are now puppets to certain pharmaceutical companies, but that's a whole other can of worms.

T. I hate defending anyone who works in medicine but the pay is amazing

and you're part of that machine

Yes. Equivalent to alcohol withdrawals, which can kill you

Thoughts on Martin Shkreli?

Broken iPhone screen, Harriet tubmans forehead broke it yesterday

have you ever gotten texts from barred-out people?
"beuh ug tot dmoe brsa ip"

she drank them with alcohol because she was a normie who thought wikipedia was for nerds

>Xanax with booze

That's about as dumb as vodka drenched tampons up the ass, which some guy died from.

Anxiety bro here. Stay away from benzos. I've taken them a handful of times for panic attacks and they work good but should only be used for rare occasions like that. People shit talk ssris but I've been on efexor which is an snri and I'm on Lexapro 10mg now. I think the efexor worked better but it has less of a half life so before my normal time I'd take it I'd start to feel the withdrawal symptoms. It also killed my sex drive.

Lexapro had a few more side effects starting but after a month I didn't have side effects and I feel good and my dock works. It all depends on the person but if you have that bad of anxiety you should get professional help and probably go to talk therapy too

Russian Space Vodka aka Phenibut has its merits, but as benzos it's also addictive as fuck when used daily.

He's one of the lesser evils, if anything I think he's just fucking stupid for getting caught.

Most of the medicines/supplies prescribed are marked up outrageous amounts before the formulas become public/mimicked, but nobody really cares because they think they're getting a good deal with insurance - when in reality if they charged insurance companies realistic prices (or the insurance companies weren't just as jew-filled as pharma) you'd be paying magnitudes less for preventive and active healthcare.


Tl;dr - There are people making multitudes more, individually, than Shkreli, he was just a moron who liked the limelight a bit too much.

I'm genuinely afraid of what I might do if I had fear and gave absolutely no fucks.

It would be fun while it lasted but I don't think I'd live very long... and it would probably be a shitty end.

Similar to my own thoughts, his showmanship tendencies led him there but he doesn't seem evil.

He just saw other cats making bank so did the same, nobody as far as I know died from his price hike. Other companies footed the bill.

You've heard the story of how much 1L of saline solution is by the end of the market chain, I'm sure. Fucking retarded.

>The therapeutic index for a drug in rodents is completely non-applicable to humans.

You are so retarded.

those drug interactions exist so that the weak are weeded out

lol when I was a druggie 16yo I was retarded and actually put klonopin off silk road into a syringe with vodka and did this

thank fuck i didn't die, people post that shit on the internet to kill idiots

There is like, this guy who took too much xanax, and he thought he turned into a glass of orange juice. He's better now, but if he sees orange juice he has instant flashbacks and is scared as shit of falling over and spilling as that glass of juice, man. It also makes people jump off of roofs, brah.

>that a simple surgery would fix

What was causing her back pain, user?

What would the surgeon be fixing and why would that alleviate her pain?

Fuckin' ell m8.

Benzo are for the scum of the Earth. The people that abuse this shit are the stupidest, most worthless piles of shit alive.

5 minutes after doing it I woke up 20 hours later covered in salami slices

or maybe I died and this is purgatory

>people post that shit on the internet to kill idiots
That's called Natural Selection

Both are equally plausible.

I'm 20

Not good, but I'm not too much of an advocate of socialism. The free market is responsible for the creation of most all the drugs we use today, increased socialism will bottleneck it and impede development and advancement.

I'm glad for you though desu senpai

I was drugged and then raped.

Turned out xanax and GHB.
Had to take a morning after pill also.
I cant believe you assholes glorifying this bullshit.

don't take drugs from strangers next time

His pill is actually cheap as fuck the entire process revolves around charging hospitals for the pill. He has said that if you actually have issues getting the pill he will get you some for free, he's online all the time. The American government reduces the cost of the pill if you actually need it and is already severely discounted for them. The entire thing was to take money off the hospital insurance, with added rollover when the pills expire because only 1 in a million aids patients need the drug.

Him getting publicised was sort of big because it did raise awareness but the primary issue in today's society is we only care about a news story for 3 days.

For personal safety I'm not going to elaborate, it isn't exactly hard to dox a multi-million dollar case like that, but the reason the case had to settle for so much money was essentially because it was proven that surgery had been suggested to her, with a very, very low chance of major complication, but the doctor actively advised against it in favor of opiates. (Prevailing opinion among colleagues is that the hospital was probably telling him to give more pain meds to increase profit margins, but that's mostly tin-foil)

thanks user. i'm just so hesitant of any kind of drug. i'm almost kind of worried my anxiety is causing me to think i have paranoid schizophrenia which is really making me feel even worse. i had a couple moments of i guess would be called depersonalization and i don't know why i keep getting worse and worse. i should probably look for professional help, i'm just unemployed atm and its $45 copay bc i was working last year.
anyway, thanks again :( yeah i'm probably gonna stay away from benzos

Xanax didn't rape you, some asshole did.

Unfortunate that happened to you, hopefully he gets life.

Might want to listen to you but then again I don't want to end up like that kid who made mustard gas trying to make crystals the Cred Forums way.

I've taken xanax/valium/clonazepam and everyone harps on about the withdrawals being the worst thing ever.

The new drugs they have for anxiety like pregabalin literally make your hair fall out and give you worse withdrawals after ONE week of taking them than 3 months on xanax, seriously poisonous shit.

Consider that phenibut is totally unregulated. If it were even remotely dangerous to intelligent users, government agencies would jump on it at their first opportunity.

thanks senpai, will look into it. I appreciate it, really. I want to get my life back on track, and I feel myself sinking deeper and deeper into this shit and it's like I'm in quicksand, I need some help up or I'm just going to give up one day and let myself sink. I appreciate ya

I knew a chick addicted to benzos. Quitting a serious addiction to it is more dangerous than heroin. Seriously not stuff to fuck around with

Med student here, currently laying in bed waiting to fall asleep from the bar I just took after a day of binging on adderall and vyvanse. Literally the perfect combo to get me through school

>Government would tell you if its dangerous
>Right now there are lawsuits over talcum powder causing ovarian cancer.
yeah, no

lol, i used to snort pregablin in bathrooms in paris, pop a xanax and start drinking. good times

>What's not to love?

brutal physical addiction with withdrawals which can actually kill you, increased risk of injury, car crash, blackouts especially while drinking, a link to cognitive decline in later life, drug testing positive, slower lethargic thinking, highly dangerous when combined with other CNS depressants, loss of inhibitions leading to problems at work, school, within relationships, etc, etc

basically it's like alcohol without any of the fun.

taken by themselves there's little recreational value

The Symptoms are Painful

Some of the most common benzo withdrawal symptoms include:

Moderate to severe depression
Extreme anxiety
Body tremors
Migraines
Heart palpitations
Burning sensations going through the brain
Muscle twitching


naaaaaahhhhhhh

It's fine and good for PhDs doing pharmacological research but MDs don't give a shit about it, we want our information from clinical trials in humans and in the information they report to us from those trials they DO NOT use the rodent therapeutic index (LD50/ED50), they use (TD50/ED50). Those TI #s are EXTREMELY different.

Phenibut really works bro. I recommend the capsule form from Powder City. good luck in whatever you decide to do

that's not what I said

>-Not give a fuck
>-Literally never scared of anything
>-Call black people niggers to their face
>-Comfortable in social situations
>-Comfortable with women
if you need a pill to do this, you might as well just by FUCKING BALLS YOU BETA FAGGOT

>that a simple surgery would fix

That sounds like a legit case of the doctor not giving a shit / abandonment, which tends to happen in hospitals. What he should have done is referred her to an interventional pain management specialist to get a morphine pump (I assume that was the simple surgery, since back surgery is not simple at all). Coming in complaining for "back-pain" is a major red flag for drug-seekers, however, so I could see how it's defensible from that angle. Even then the fact that he didn't just run a narcotics urinalysis and THEN realize that she wasn't fucking around is stupid.

>kid breaks both legs

The doctor was totally in the right on this one. If he had a 9 month prescription of norco you can bet your ass he was getting tested, not the doctor's fault he started abusing a schedule 1. Can't even claim abandonment here if the kid didn't seek additional help.

More addictive than opioids, and make you into a dead weight.

Do stims and psychedelics.

Xanax is pretty amazing desu. Just don't do them all the timr. One here ir there will do you wonders.

Having a drink or two, and smoking a little weed after taking a xanaz is practically heaven on earth.

>I have Valium which is very weak compared to Xanax.

not really. on a mg per mg basis sure diaz is weaker but all benzos are essentially the same sort of feeling

Good luck man. Most people can't do "one here and there".
You're right, as long as you don't make a habit of drugs, they're all pretty much good.

But most people are so selfish and lack discipline because they're never taught how to use restraint with drugs. They're just told "drugs are bad" and left to figure everything else out on their own unless they're lucky enough to take organic chem or pharmacology.

I like them too much, so it's best that I have none.

enjoy your permanent functional memory loss

Try etizolam. Seems to be less addicting and just as effective. But as I said, never as a habit. Benzos and opioids are best used in very occasional times when absolutely needed. Downers make terrible recreational drugs for the most part.

Only use it when coming down from LSD

I prefer some Kona Big Waves.
Easy flavor and relaxing. And almost as cheap as etizolam.

I've had a condition since I was around 9 called depersonalization/derealization. Basically it's the feeling of not being in your own body. You feel like you're there yet you aren't there. It's really hard to describe if you've never experienced it before. Sometimes I've even felt like I've lost a sense of who I was. Like almost a sort of temporary amnesia. It's one of the most terrifying feelings to experience. I would rather experience some sort of extreme physical pain and feel like I'm in my own body than have to deal with the worst depersonalization. But when it comes down to it, it's basically a form of a panic attack/anxiety disorder. Granted, it's on a whole different level than just your run of the mill anxiety disorder, but essentially that's what it is. It's an overactive nervous system. The best way to control it is to remain calm and also sort of "meditate". This is easier said than done of course. I really do think that alot of people that have panic disorders should focus on their mental strength than have to resort to using drugs. I have been prescribed benzos and sometimes use them, but I don't want to rely on them all the time. I don't like using "crutches" in life. The more you rely on yourself to desensitize your body and mind to panic, the better your condition will get. The more you rely on drugs like benzos, the worse your condition will get. They should be your absolute last resort.

no thanks, 1 and only time i was ever arrested was on benzos.
il stick to heroin and weed

LOL no.


Benzo's hit GABA receptors, which intensifies alpha brainwave production.

You can achieve the exact same effect with meditation and the right kind of binaural beats.

It just takes longer.

tl;dr benzo's are degenerate

Holy shit, are you me?

>the solution is to prescribe MORE of these addictive drugs

No that's the opposite of what needs to be happening. For both opioids and benzos, which are becoming huge problems.

First off for opioids the solution is to have a wider variety of pain management medications rather than basically Nsaids then opioids if the Nsaids aren't strong enough, in some cases there are specialized medicines like gabapentin for nerve pain and biologics for inflammatory arthritis/autoimmune diseases, and that's great, when those are useful use them even if they're more expensive than the narcotics. Narcotics also shouldn't be a first line prescription given for all post op dental and minor surgeries.

Dental work they should try to get away with just Nsaids if at all possible. I mean I've had a root canal and an abcessed tooth extracted and neither of them needed opioids but they gave me opioids anyway. I've also had arthoscopic knee surgery and they gave me Norcos, I didn't need them. Try Nsaids first for minor stuff like that, but if a patient is still in a lot of pain and nsaids aren't touching it? Okay, maybe opioids are warranted but prescribe them for shorter durations and lower doses, as low of doses as you can get away with. Also, medical cannabis and kratom should be viable alternatives for chronic pain that isn't solved by things like biologics. They're less addictive.

For Benzos.. A lot of anxiety can be solved through Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. Get this person to a Psychologist or Psychiatrist and have them work out the underlying problems. If there's a legit chemical imbalance, they could use SSRI's or related meds like Wellbutrin for long term anxiety issues. Benzos should be for short term, acute anxiety attacks, and used while tapering onto an SSRI or undergoing therapy, just as a stopgap temporarily. Never long term regular use.

This guy gets it. While there are some benzo that have some decent recreational value, I've never understood the fixation with xanax. That shit just makes you black out and not remember anything that happened to you. Thats not a good or fun drug to take. Literally whats the point?

I've self-diagnosed myself with this. It really is the worst hell imaginable. Thankfully, I have more under control these days.

What is interesting is that it only started becoming a major problem when I was smoking weed heavily and working a night shift.

A medicine for the criminally insane anyways, whatever.

i know a dude who had seizures when he tried to get off them. he eventually did. but i think hes back on em now

Cold turkey is deadly if you have a high tolerance!

People who hate their lives love benzos and opioids as recreational drugs. These drugs let them run and hide rather than face their problems.

>It's really hard to describe if you've never experienced it before.
I've been there in stimulant psychosis, and it's exactly as you say.
Scary, wild shit. DMT has nothing on this kinda ego death.

>I've self-diagnosed
OPINION
DISCARDED

Enjoy your dementia at 50.

I've used clonazepam on a fairly regular basis over the past half-decade. At a proper dosage, it's minimally sedating and mitigates or altogether ablates anxiety. This drug, and it should be used conservatively, is enormously useful to have available for job interviews and other anxiogenic events.

It's capitalism friendo. Don't doctors and drug reps make money off of working together? Finacial incentives for doctors to prescribe certain medicine is fucking retarded.

>a fucking leaf
>discarding opinions

wew

I've been perscribed clonazepam, is that a good one?

What does a fucking leaf have to do with you being a dipshit?

Honestly senpai, opiates were the best drug I've ever used recreationally. I got out just as I had the potential to form an actual physical dependency but honestly, when I was at the point of blowing 50mg oxy everyday it was the best feeling ever. I never got sick, always felt warm, always felt loving, i was always kind to people and everything felt great. Truly some of the happiest times of my life were on opiates as sad as that is. I stopped because when i wasn't high i felt extremely depressed and it consumed most of my waking thoughts but desu, opiates feel great. Not even close to shit tier benzos.

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pretty standard benzo in Canada. It's either that or lorazepam

Yes. The duration is adequate (6 to 10 hours) and it tends not to be habit-forming. If used responsible, physical dependence isn't a significant risk. You'll need to establish an optimal dosage, one that is minimally sedating but still anxiolytic, through trial.

and it shouldn't be that way, it's getting people addicted to dangerous drugs and killing people.

>I stopped because when i wasn't high i felt extremely depressed and it consumed most of my waking thoughts but desu, opiates feel great.

You were lucky. These things are not designed for recreation man.
That warm loving feeling gives way to horrors.

Stims cause a crash, I know. I'm an avid user.
But it's generally just some malaise, apathy, and sleepiness in my case even after the hardest binge.
Downers otoh? Soul-consuming. The high just isn't good, if it comes with such a low. And unlike with stims where you can eat, stay hydrated, and take supplements to cut the crash, opioids and benzos just will not relent in the withdrawal stage.

They're medicines, and only medicines.

you know a drug is Kool when it has a Kapital Kay punched out of the middle.

Hello Big Pharmaceutical!

Why yes, I would love to become dangerously addicted to prescription KleptoLifeRuinepine!

Could you take my GP out to a nice dinner and encourage him to facilitate my loss of IQ points and deregulation of my GABA system?

Are those just clonzepam? why don't mine look like that? Is that an american only brand or somethin?

I did 12mg of xanax drank heaps of rum and coke on a night out and somehow got let into many places. Apparently i kept falling over though and when i passed out it sounded like i jad breathing problems

it's just the brand name of Clonazepam yes.

>based capitalist user
>your crazy ass will be spared when Trump enacts the day out the rope

>Made it through university easily and I'm a successful engineer.
Sure you did, buddy. Seems like the ganj did more damage than you think.

Alcohol gives you the same benefits without the side effects if you drink only during parties.
Benzo is nice, but you must not forget that's a psycho med, soon it will affect your brain permanently.

>yes, harder than opiates, cigarettes imo
I guess you don't understand physical addiction. Opiates rewrite dopaminergic pathways. Benzos are just depressants. You're just a weak minded piece of shit.

Cold turkey sounds fucking incredible right now

>they haven't welcomed the crystal meth pill into their lives
You know the Nazis used this as a superpower right?

only in times of war

save your tolerance until the time is right

Meth is for babies. a-PVP is for super saiyan nazis nigga.

>What's not to love?
The fact that dependency makes you an addict

>potent neurotoxin that causes systemic decay
Yeah ok enjoy your superpowers

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Yep, benzos and booze are the only drugs where the withdrawals alone can kill you. Going cold turkey will literally kill you. Also, tolerance builds so fast that it's not practically useful for remedying any of your issues.

I used to be pretty pro drug when I first got into researching them for my social anxiety, but now I'm back in the camp of not using a certain drug more than once or twice a month. I saw what happened to me with nicotine, and I never want that to happen with useful drugs like benzos and opiates. I never want to worry about them not working for me anymore, even if that means I only get true relief every once in a while.

Just ordered some phenibut.
Any tips?

I was hooked on clonazepam for a while, taking it every day and becoming highly dependent. coming down from that that was two of the worst weeks of my life. Definitely a greater level of discomfort than quitting cigarettes.

I started taking Xanax again recently to help relieve anxiety, but I'll limit myself to no more than two days a week. That strategy seems to be helpful in not getting hooked again.

Don't use it habitually.
It's like a mix of a benzo and GHB. Can hook you if you're not careful, and has a generally very nasty withdrawal like other drugs in its class.

>once
>withdrawal

what the fuck are you talking about

How many times a week would you recommend?

does this look legit?

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Honestly? Use it no more than 2x weekly with 2+ days at min spread apart.

K thanks senpai, I only intend to use it on very specific situations anyways. I will be very careful with this shit.

Physical Withdrawals subside after 24 hours with everything besides H and other Opiates and we have known this for over 60 years. Its all in your head junkie.

>i used to believe this story

Damn stoner threads made it back to Cred Forums again.

Physical withdrawals aren't what you need to worry about, addiction is the real danger. Addiction is not a rational urge to avoid withdrawal, it is an irrational urge to consume the drug for no reason beyond the addiction itself. And this urge does not fade in a couple days like withdrawals, it can last years.

It's incomprehensible to anyone who has never experienced it. Nobody thinks it can happen to them because it sounds ludicrous. Nobody thinks it is happening to them while they are becoming addicted, they believe they are rationally choosing the drug to experience pleasure. They don't realize how fucked they are until they're in too deep.

Don't fuck with anything addictive it's not worth it.

... Benzos take longer to break off of than opioids.

>Valium
>weak compared to xanax
>not getting the 10mg pills and eating anywhere between 3 and 30 pills, mixing a shit ton of booze and time traveling
It's like you don't even want to wake up covered in bruises and possibly bodily fluids. Valium is not much weaker than xanax and it lasts over twice as long. It's a top-tier benzo.

The length of time to quit a habit isn't that easy to determine.
It depends on the chemical's half-life, your efficiency at metabolizing it, route of administration (tied to bioavailability), dose frequency, dose MG amount, length of habit, etc.

For example, last time I quit methadone I had acute withdrawals for 27 days and post acute withdrawal syndrome for another 6 months.

But I was using an opioid with a long half-life in high doses for years.

Tolerance isn't as black and white as you're making it out to be.

What did you do?

Snorting Xanax is a waste, it won't be absorbed through your mucus membrane. Like most benzos, xanax isn't very water soluble and won't work when snorted or injected with water (although propylene glycol, water, alcohol injections will work for them). Only a few benzos, like midazolam, can be snorted.

When xanax is snorted it won't absorb into your nose's mucus membrane. Some of the binders in the pill will, but the active chemical (alprazolam) will either get stuck in your nose and come out of it or drip down your throat into your stomach.

If you want to get a stronger high than just swallowing xanax, hold it under your tongue and let it dissolve.

Incentivying drugs? Get the fuck out shills

If you're curious about how to increase the strength of your drugs, read about potentiators (other chemicals you can dose to increase the high of your main chemical) and bioavailability (the percentage of a drug that makes it into your blood from a route of administration, which is a dosing method. Oral, snorting (intranasal), sublingual (dissolved under the tongue), buccal (absorbed through the cheek), and rectal (put in liquid and dissolved in the anus, which has a lot of blood vessels close to the walls of the anus)).

In general, the best way to take benzos (besides injection in the proper format. A proper injection is always 100% bioavailbility and xanax can get this when injected in the right solution, which is at least 3 chemicals. Water, propylene glycol, and alcohol mixed) is rectally, followed by sublingually, followed by orally (swallowing).

If you want to get the most out of your xanax and you don't have it in ampule form, you dissolve it in water and squirt it up your ass. If you're like me and most other people, you won't want to do it this way. The next best method is dissolving it under your tongue and absorbing it through your cheeks.

A lot of chemicals can be added to increase the high of xanax, look up alprazolam potentiators.

every fight i got into was on xanax. don't do em. just pain through your horrible social anxiety