So honestly what is the moral difference between say firebombing 10's of thousands civilians Tokyo or Dresden to ISIS beheadings of civilians, or random terrorists attacks?
How do we justify one but not the other? simply because the ones dropping the bombs wore a uniform?
I'm not supporting terrorist, but I'm questioning why we think one is right but the other is wrong.
What's the difference between Curtis Lemay and Osama Bin Ladin?
Lemay was a god of war.
Are you suggesting that we firebomb the middle-east? Good plan mate, when can we start?
Bad goy, stop dissenting. Curtis fought for (YOU)!
>What's the difference between Curtis Lemay and Osama Bin Ladin?
70 years of civilization
>you can kill an idea with bombs.
You can turn the middle east into a glass floored self lit parking lot, it still wouldn't solve the problem.
Both ruthlessly and intentionally targeted civilians. Lemay just killed a lot more than 2500
Allied bomber commanders were imbeciles. Apart from the notorious "bombers will get through" and "not enough range of escort fighters until P-51D" fallacies.
To destroy a countries' capability to wage war, you only have to hit electric power plants and oil refineries. Literally everything grinds to a halt. And both of those types of buildings were really easy to find and impossible to hide, and costly and slow to replace.
>lets drop obscene ammounts of bombs from extreme altitude, carried by bomber swarms, and hitting civilian areas.
>Lets firebomb residential areas in low level night attacs
>Let us be eternal Anglos and not even try to hit military and strategic targets
One is happening in the 1940s during a global war and one is happening in 2016 when we are supposed to be more "civilized"
Easy, Germans and japs aren't human, see: modern Germans and japs
I can see where Lemay had a little more justification (being the Japs attacked us) than Bin Ladin (we just had troops in Saudi Arabia which pissed him off)
However when you look at ISIS who is engaged in a war. Why should we condemn them for practicing the same things we did, They just make slicker videos about it now.
You Yanks have wiped out entire civilizations.
Bring back the Lemay doctrine and carpet bomb the shit out of any country that even farts in the presence of the tree of liberty.
Because they provide literally nothing to the world. Nothing.
You might as well call them demons because all they do is revel in subjugation and suffering. Nothing else.
Imperial Japan was engaged in total war against the US, its economy was geared towards the war effort. The firebombing of Japan was targeting their industrial capacity by attacking and inhibiting their workforce as well as creating war weariness amongst its population.
ISIS commit attacks against civilians as its modus operandi. The people they attack in the Middle East and in the West are minding their own business and not it any way a threat to them. They ignore the Western military apparatus.
Ius ad bellum is typical written AFTER the fact, by the victor. So bombings were not deemed war crimes at Neurenburg, which is why Luftwaffe personell were never tried for bombing London, Rotterdam etc.. Winners justice.
That said, the Eternal Anglo and uncle Adolf did have clear militairy goals for their bombings(however ill fated). ISIS seems to be more about sheer terror in random directions..
>minding their own business and not it any way a threat to them.
ISIS sees the west attacking them and their culture. (ironically very similar to how the alt-right feels about immigrants changing white culture.) Plus air strikes, drone strikes. Since they don't have the massive military power of the west, they strike softer targets.
In Dresden and Tokyo, the bombings focused on killing civilians, not destroying military facilities (most were in shambles anyway or underground or in Japan they were not centralized) So they were basically doing the same thing.. striking terror into the civilian population
>Implying war and morals should ever go hand in hand
THe only "morals" in war are the casus belli. War is either go and kill everyone or its just another attempt at enriching someone. This is the problem with America right now everyone thinks that you can fight a CLEAN war.
ALso you forgot the rest of the quote in your macro
" But all war is immoral and if you let that bother you, you're not a good soldier."
Erm Osama Bin Laden was a man, running a movement. He was not a state, and was not able to declare war with the legal protections of a state. Therefore he is a criminal murderor.
The declaration of war, and the associated legal protections it provides, can only be made by a state or an actor of the state with the states authority.
TLDR: Answer is "the law".
Just fuck off you stupid nigger, Japan deserved every thing that happened to them after the numerous atrocities they committed.
>What's the difference between Curtis Lemay and Osama Bin Ladin?
60 years
One is buried at the Air Force Academy and the other became shark food in the Indian Ocean.