A pre filter in an air handler at the hospital I work in

Should I blow the whistle?
Of course.

Jesus fuck yes blow the whistle, that's some horse shit right there. Make sure you have PROOF that your supervisor has been informed of this multiple times though, not sure how you'll accomplish that but I'm sure you'll think of something.

That is dangerous for everyone working in that hospital; patients, employees, visitors, etc.

There's both. It's in an urban area, but there's a mix of races.

This one.

Hospitals should be the cleanest places on the planet! This is unacceptable!

Blow the whistle anonymously. Preferably from another phone. Your supervisor is putting people at risk because they can't keep up with everything that needs to be done. That person should lose their job.

holy shit, what are you waiting for, report this!

>am I at risk if I do?

no

but also not Cred Forums

yes of course you should, it's hospital and the health of others you are a mandatory reporter (probaley) would you report a aide you saw punch someone? of course! not to mention it's a pretty jewelry move to let mothers and baby's suffer for money.

What state do you live in? Our law firm would probably be interested in taking your case.

I tried Cred Forums but it 404 immediately.

>for everyone working in that hospital

Meant to just say "for everyone in that hospital".

If you dont call them I am archiving this thread and will report this evidence as you having prior knowledge and not doing anything.

Race doesn't matter they are fucking babies.

NJ. it's a big time hospital. BIG. TIME.

>Race doesn't matter they are fucking babies.
Ayy fucking cuck

Easy, easy, im getting advice, im planning. I want to help. I'm just getting my footing.

I'm mapping out. I want to help these babies.

Wouldn't surprise me if the situation was the same in every hospital throughout the world. It's a business, like everything else, and the kikes feel the need to cut costs at every corner.
An hospital is the place where you are the most likely to get sick. I never set foot into one unless I absolutely need it.

Report it. It's the right thing to do. People putting patients in danger for a profit are the worst. Make sure you got all your facts right though or they will fuck you.

Fill out the form on OSHA's site and send it to them with your picture.

You can do it anonymously, and no one will ever know it was you.

OSHA reps will show up within 24 hours and ask to see that filter.

Once they see it, immediate changes will be implemented by your managers.

That filter is not up to NIOSH standards by any stroke of the imagination.

See? I'm looking for advice like this

I don't give a shit about babies but call that in. This is bullshit.

get evidence that you reported the problem first otherwise you may end up taking the blame

I think you'd be doing the right thing by reporting, user. In practice, however, OSHA does a fucking horrible job of protecting whistleblowers, so be prepared to stick to your convictions and explain to all future employers why you did it.

what the fuck, come on man - yes you need to "blow the whistle"...

why you think your sole responsibility and hired task is a "whistle" is beyond me, but I guess thats the nigger shit-tier country we live in now.

It's all the filters in all departments. It's disgusting. I'm seeking guidance because I'd like to keep my job. My supervisor needs to go, he's a mess and a joke.

>should I call out the kike for being a cheap shit jew?

kill them all johnny

GET
A
LAWYER
FIRST
(and maybe consult)

Just look up your chain of command dude.
Calling OSHA would not help anyone, it would make all of your superiors pissed and put a lot of unneeded stress on the hospital.

If you can anonymously bring it up to someones attention (maybe typed letter and slid through door for instance) that there are multiple infractions for hospital policies involving air filtration and cleanliness.

Your bosses have the right to know that something isn't getting done, it might not be their fault. It may just be the supervisors fault.

If you do decide to call an inspector, you must not tell them your name or give any information.
You would probably be fired.

nuther HVAnon here. share the pictures via email with your supervisor. but do it a non confrontational way. Like: hey super, this is user. was doing inspections this morning and saw this: filter.jpg. Do we have filters on site so I can change? If not can u order? How to proceed?

Then you have record that somebody up top knew and your ass is covered.

and don't breath that shit in nigga

>This

Seriously. Call a fucking lawyer who specializes in wistelblowing protection

Pictures are nice.
Consider probing someone to see if they are also angry and want to do something against it. Two employees are more trustable than 1.
But if you talk to the doctors and get them to help back you up that will be more than enough.

That's tough but if there's even the slightest chance that an innocent white person will be affected then you need to take action.

Just watch, he'll tell the person next step up from the supervisor, they'll order new air filters (just one set), and then start looking for reasons to fire this user out of spite.

your boss is a little nigger, blow the fucking whistle call the health inspector or some kind of resource on them.

If possible submit a complaint as a group. Helps cover your ass and they take it more seriously.

send these pictures to your local news stations and say your boss wont do anything abou tit. MAke sure you say you want to remain anonymopus

fuck babies

but also fuck breathing mold

on the off chance you do get in trouble, I'm sure many would hire you solely out of respect for your moral choice.
If I had a choice to hire a man with that integrity, I know he'd be a good asset

That's nothing. I'm an Hvac guy who regularly does maintenance/repairs at Seattle children's hospital. You should see some of the disgusting shit out there. Their engineering team is the lowest of low skill wise. They insist on doing their own water treatment for the hydronic loop. Rather than have some one from chem aqua or some other company measure out their system and add the proper chemicals, they just dump gallons of chemical in at a time with no prejudice. Another contractor I know showed me 8 5 gallon buckets full of metal that he pulled out of the system. That is just from the pipes deteriorating from the inside. That whole fucking place will need to be repiped soon and it's going to cost hundreds of thousands possibly millions due to incompetence.

Can you make some money out of this? Investing, short-selling, something?

It's widespread through out the complex
Not everyone likes a rat
I hope so

Yes.
I switched my work out to OSHA and about 9 months later the very accident I warned about happened.

You are liable if you say nothing.

Don't be a coward. I shut down production and cost the company hundreds of thousands of dollars when the racks in the warehouse were unsafe.

>Should I call OSHA
Yeah, man. That's the entire point they exist. You can even do it anonymously.

I email them pictures, dates, and confirmation of location of my store anonymously whenever someone leaves a pallet standing up and my company gets fined $1000 dollars.

My bet:
Records show new filtered purchased every month for the past 10 years.

But the money goes straight into someone's pocket.

All op needs is some white and yellow spray paint and those filters will be good as resold with markup to their boss

Pro jewtip. Yale nazi fucks better retcognize

Yeah I don't know about that. This isn't some rinky dink hospital. This is big time.

This.

>Not everyone likes a rat

Run a Com/Ind co., in Jerz too and do work in Hospitals. Best way to proceed is with the email like I suggested.

More proof that the profit motive of the free market is the best way of organizing all things in the society.

Filters are there for a reason, if their lifetime is over it has to be exchanged. Not changing them can cause multiple people to get sick or even die. If you dont do anything you are at fault as well, if you blow the wistle you did your best in order to ensure general safety. Noone should hold you accountable

Please report it, I've had a family member die from MRSA. It pisses me off when Hospitals are doing this.

>Noone should hold you accountable
Whistleblower lives are regularly destroyed in the US.

>It's a Cred Forums discusses HVAC episode

Well this is a new one.

Also what a bunch of kikes. Chem treatment doesn't even cost that much in the grand scheme of things.

This If you get caught, you're probably not going to be working for a private company again.

>Work in assist living facility as a chef
>Coworker repeatedly drops food on the floor
>Same preps raw chicken next to the clean silverware
>Once took food out of a trashcan and served it to the residents
>I report to boss
>Boss does nothing
>Building Admin on vacation so I notify her boss
>When Admin returns I get written up
>Female coworker gets one day paid leave
>Have meeting a short time later
>I call my coworker fucking disgusting
>Point at Boss and Admin and say "Because you allow this shit to happen, you two are just as fucking disgusting as she is."
>Fired immediately for insubordination. I said fuck.

>Move and get new job in a restaurant
>Find it rustic and quaint but dirty
>Make note of it during the interview
>Manager says he knows but he needs people to show a good example
>I agree to do my best
>Owner not on same page
>Cockroaches swim in the beer batter
>Moldy onion rings and pico
>Tell the owner he needs to fix it
>Owners says whatever I'll get to it when I get to it
>Threaten to report owner
>Owner laughs
>Call health Dept
>Restaurant closed
>Once again fired...

Americans are fucking disgusting pussies. They hate being called out on their shit. Prepare to find another job, but do what is right.

I'd report it to police. If it's putting lives in immediate danger then the po po can apply pressure so that the hospital management does something ASAP. In the mean time you blow the whistle, send pictures to local news and send up a complaint.

>That whole fucking place will need to be repiped soon and it's going to cost hundreds of thousands possibly millions due to incompetence.
If you position yourself right, you might have an opportunity to make a ton of money out of this.

Yes, blow the whistle, I can't see why it'd be illegal unless you signed a non-disclosure agreement.

Talk to a lawyer first though.

Send a note to infection control and mention it as a "Patient Safety" issue. This will get the right folks involved.

Patient Safety is a word that gets shit done in a large hospital.

A rat is one thing. But someone trying to save the lives of "THINK OF THE CHILDREN" is quite another. If an employer asks about it say the babies were getting sick and they will not be able to hold it against you unless they are that corrupt in which case you don't want to work there. I walked off my last job as a milker because they refused to fix problems because they would be too costly and too much of a hassle. My last words to my boss were actually fuck you, so I do not think they will be a good reference. But I could not stand to see what was going on, morals Trump paycheck in my book.

>Not spraying the babies with Abestos

fag

I like you user. I live in Florida. W-will you move in with me?

gj user you did the right thing

Is this mold?

By the looks of that filter the whole place needs to be demolished.

This

I meant noone would hold him accountable for the filters not beimg chsnged yet since he tried his best. Some asshole will always try to punish you for his wrongdoings. So yes OP, do it anonymously, but dont have a bad consciousness for it being the way it is

We have an infectious control unit. And I could leave a blank envelope for the head nurse on her desk. But I don't want to be fired. Well. I guess thems the brakes.

This is why you say nothin to anyone when you find this shit. Report it to the proper authorities right away so they won't suspect you as much.

OP, they will likely suspect you if you anonymously whistleblow.

>prefilter

You fucking moron there are multiple filters. The fact that this one is dirty means nothing. I'd be more worried that the hospital hired such a shitty tech than if their prefilter was dirty

Is that mould? I'd ask for danger pay m8

>I'm a maintenance guy
wait do you mean to say that you're a janitor?

I live in Florida too... but you already knew that.

Isn't it your job to keep them clean?

Yes you should blow the whistle. It will save lives.

This, OP. Once it's brought to their attention it's documented and they can't delete it. If it truly is a patient safety issue (and it is) and they do nothing it's their ass, so something will get done.

Fpbp

Possibly sued for everything OP has, will never work for a private comany again, might not even get a gov job.

Reporting crimes by the elite can even land you in prison:

huffingtonpost.com/brad-friedman/exclusive-convicted-whist_b_34815.html

see
The supervisor that will replace this guy's boss isn't going to want someone working under him/her that has a history of getting their bosses fired or in trouble. They will likely begin watching OP and looking for any legitimate excuse to fire him as soon as they become the new supervisor. It usually takes between 6 months - 1 year for a whistleblower to lose their job. Whistleblowers will have a very hard time finding a job at any large corporation or government service afterwards. Many small / medium sized business owners will think very highly of OP and wouldn't hesitate to hire him but there's usually not very much in the way of career advancement opportunities in a small business.

I'm a licensed nursing home administrator and currently a director at a hospital.

I would report to DPH anonymously.

YES. Not mine specifically, but yes the maintenance department.
BUT I can't do that if I don't have filters. Idiot.

Basically. But I fix shit, not clean it.
Yes

He showed another unit where the bag filter (which is always secondary) is dirtier than any bagged filter I have seen in 9 years doing commercial Hvac.

this and also, it's your job as a person to blow the whistle.

nearly everyone in the thread agrees, no more point in continuing this you have a group consensus, if you do carry on posting it's an attention whoring attempt, fag

FPBP
Do this OP

agreed

If they know the workplace will become hostile real quick... even if you have someone else do it for you, they will still blame you if you are the only one complaining.

Fucking based chef. You did the right thing.

You would obviously do everything anonymously. And you can hold your horses on "crimes of the elite". This is just a badly managed and unsanitary hospital.

dunno why but i found this funny. something a redditor would say

Call the CDC.

You're a maintenance guy and this is a hospital you're not at much risk faggot. You're not gonna be assassinated.

>crimes by the elite

this isn't a crime of the elite

this is dumb shit OSHA exists to smack down employers for

you are only at risk if you call out political bullshit in the US, as far as work is concerned it's totally covered

Thank you.
You're a fucking idiot. I already should the finals. They have holes in them.

Buddy.
The biggest ones ARE the corrupt ones.

There must be a way to report it anonymously.

If it was me I wouldn't mind to blow the fucking whistle.

I would do the following:

> Report it officially filling a form, keep the copy, or file it in the system

> Wait one week and ask for a replay.

> If no replies get one of the managers and tell him that you need to show him something important.

When he sees the mess by himself, explain him you reported the problem and nothing has been done. Let the chaos spread and the filters get changed asap.

> If you face consequences, go to the press and tell the story.

There is no way you can get harm doing the right thing in this specific order.

Also I would consider reporting it to the media anonymously.

fill out an anonymous Midas report

What the fuck does this have to do with politics?

You're dumb. This doesn't happen, the Huffington Post is shit stories made by people who think they're journalists.

Not even gonna click.

Whose profits are they? It's not some socialist institution, it's some rich jew that owns it.

You would get hired instantly by a many Christians for your moral choice. All you'd have to do is make a giant fucking fuss over it and get the word out.

Here's what you do:
1. Document everything as you go. Visuals are key. If you can, get pictures of where the air vents are in the areas where newborns and infants are kept to go along with the pictures of the filters. "This is the air that was blowing over these vulnerable newborns".
2. If they try and fuck you over, you make a sob story and post it on various sites. You may not like the sites in general, but the places to go for things like this are Facebook, Reddit, Imgur, etc.
3. Don't embellish, just state the facts supported by your images. Don't name names unless they attacked you first, personally and publicly.
4. Contact your local news, local mothers will side with you and they are a extremely vocal group.

You can completely protect yourself these days with the magic of the media and internet.

Call OSHA

nah. I work at a lab that does blood tests and stuff. If you think that's bad, just wait until you see our lab. So many violations to OSHA standard ever

He doesn't do it for free

No media, first try to solve it in the system. Even the morons love systems, because it is a ruling mechanism.

OP needs to go through the official inside channel to prove that his intention is not to harm the hospital with a scandal, but to help prevent it! (this is very important).

Diplomacy first. If there is trouble and eventually OP loses the job then the media is the way to go.

What I've learned in my very short time working(Just turned 21) is that, most companies cut corners.

I do my best to regulate what I can and keep it internal, but at the end of the day, I know they will sell me out like fucking that.

Companies may preach loyalty but don't fucking trust them. Watch out for yourself.

A dirty filter filters more than a clean one.

jersey shore medical?

Call the CDC and DPH (Dept of Hospitals).

Multi agency orgies are fun.

Valley,Rutgers,Hackensack? Ex-Alpine,Saddle River fag here.

Mushroom farmer here. Cringed irl, this would literally ruin me for a long time.

Jesus fuck op
Trauma surgeon here. Im gunna go look at the hosptial i work at. Where are these located? Been trying to find a reason to fuck my hospital over

If you do report it, don't mention MRSR or they will just ignore you. It will not be traveling thru the vents in hospital. It's prolly because of bad practices of your nurses.

Do it. Love u op for doing the right thing

dragons

Can't emphasize this enough!!
>No media, first try to solve it in the system. Even the morons love systems, because it is a ruling mechanism.
>OP needs to go through the official inside channel to prove that his intention is not to harm the hospital with a scandal, but to help prevent it! (this is very important).
>Diplomacy first.

Blow the whistle. If you get canned its better then getting sued.

Why don't you do anything about it?

>brought this to the attention of my supervisor, but he continues to do nothing. He says purchasing won't order them.
op, you've stumbled on something much worse: the supervisor is covering the theft of the money. There's no way a hospital doesn't have a maintenance budget set aside for air filters.That money is gone, this is why they won't buy replacements.

Go over his head and talk to a doctor or chief of medicine. They'll flip shit on your behalf.

>He says purchasing won't order them.
He's probably not lying to you user.

He probably cared about this just as much you do now, at one point, but that was a long time ago.

Don't mistake apathy and weariness for malice or even laziness.

Instead of 'blowing the whistle' right now (keep it as an option though, the above is only speculatory, but everyone deserves to considered innocent until proven guilty) HUSTLE and try to get the filters organised yourself, if you can do it and your boss suddenly springs back to life, you've not only fixed the immediate problem, but probably saved the damn man's life.

Conversely, if he recoils after such an act, you know he's trash.

I inspect roofs at a huge hospital. One roof was surrounded by tall buildings and had dead birds and burd shit all over the leaking air handling ducts above the OR.

They fixed it once I freaked out and told them they were fuckin up.

t. Architectural Engineer

Hvac fag here with almost twenty years under my belt. Filters in Hvac units are not for tenant health, it's for the health of the equipment. That's why they are on the return (air coming back to unit)and not in the supply (air going into the space) . It helps but that's not what is for. A hospital or clean room should have ionizing filters(which are washable) or uv filters(clean the lense) on the supply side for tenant health. Most hospitals just rely on fresh air turn over for most spaces anyway.

If you really want something done you have to get your Hvac guys to come at it from a cost perspective. They are ruining their equipment, and running it way below peak efficiency. It will cost them more in the long run.

Most hospitals in the US are publicly funded (more like supplemented) with city/county taxes for the areas that they serve though, very few are truly "private institutions". It's usually the prestigious research, cancer, or surgical centers that are private.

you have a duty of care associated with your position. a breach in that duty of care could leave you liable. it's always best to report

>MSRA

MSRA occurs from physical contact such as hand shaking, someone elses sweat on an exercise machines, etc not moldy filters. If you are having high MSRA occurrences, someone who is handling the infants has it.

Just go around your boss and replace the filter, it isnt hard.

protip: leave doctor things to doctors

sending in an anonymous tip to KCPQ13 nigga

You are correct but the secondary filters have visible holes as shown in a picture posted earlier.

>Cred Forums
WEW

>Just go around your boss and replace the filter, it isnt hard.
>protip: leave doctor things to doctors
this was the shittiest post in the whole thread
you should be ashamed of yourself
you should also read the thread
all of it

Senpai, I wanna be an Emergency Dept. PA, worth it or no?

I'm speculating but couldn't a badly maintained air vent drip some shit on someone or something someone would touch?

should have emphasized that as point #1 in my own post as well

going public in ANY way is the path you take only if you've tried doing it properly first and either got no results or got fucked over because you cared too much about something critical

Bad nurses are airborne?

Go for it. I purposefully named the wrong hospital to not incriminate myself or lose the contract lol.

but when mold is literally growing on the filter medium then it's safe to assume that the growth extends to both sides of the medium thus compromising the filter by releasing spores from the "clean air side".

This

Ah I see. This should be reported to the admins. Day 1 you learn there is no penalty for whistleblowing. But don't show them the pictures because you're not supposed to take pictures. Take the pictures to the JC if nothing gets done tho.

Yeah do it, OSHA LOVES cracking down on whatever they can for the shekels, just don't be surprised if they let you go because they can't afford to pay you anymore after OSHA reams them with fines.

ARCC it up, faggot... there's always someone in a higher position than your boss.

I work at a warehouse that holds food products that are sold to the service industry. Clientele include restaurants, hospitals, schools, children's camps, major fast food/dining chains.

The other day I saw the health and safety lead and the floor manager and a couple of other people poking around a particular area, inspecting the area around a gap that had formed (due to structural defect) between the base of the wall and the floor.

And I was able to ascertain (And overhear) that they were finding mouse droppings all over the place there. (food sits on pallets right along the wall there too).

They were clearly trying to be as clandestine as possible about it; like not informing any employees to be on the lookout, or asking maintenance staff to go clean the shit out of the area. And I'm going to hazard a lucky guess that they also haven't informed their clients about any potential issues.

Is this whistle blower tier shit? Or am I just jaded? Does the public expect their food to be secretly housed with mouse shit?

OP
PEOPLE HAVE PROBABLY ALREADY DIED FROM MOLD OR FUNGAL INFECTIONS, ALLERGIES, BACTERIAL, ETC.

Longer you wait, more blood on your hands.

Go to a pay phone, pic related, or go to a gasstation without many cameras and ask to use their phone, say your phones battery is dead. Most will let you call and step to the side where you can talk somewhat privately.

Use hospital webpage to get public numbers to legal, infectious disease, administration or whatever.

Call all of them and say whatever you like most.
1. the air in X department smells like mold coming out of the vents, "do I need to report it to the health department or move my son to another hospital?"
2.I'm a bit of a worrier, so when I visited my wife the other day, I took an air sample, and it tested positive for mold, fungus, spores, and bacteria. Please check your HVAC system, I'm worried about her allergies making her worse, or it killing others too
3. Your HVAC system is highly contaminated and dirty, have someone personally check the air handler and filters, I'm calling the health department as well.

don't give any info or answer questions, just hang up after telling them.

next from same or another phone
Call health department
"I have 3rd party information that the HVAC system or its filtering system at X hospital is highly contaminated with mold, and other infectious materials. It may be the source of a current patient outbreak. Please send someone as soon as possible to inspect before anyone else dies.

and hang up

OP if you do it make a fallow up thread

Wtf i clean my hvac didn't look like that but it's dirt colour dust greyish. Can u just blast high pressure water on it? Or dip into water soap?

Not to mention MRSA is tracked by the feds. They'll find out sooner than later and your infection preventionist will have to answer for it. Find that person if your bosses boss doesn't respond. IP takes MRSA very seriously.

Pneumonia caused by mrsa is transmissible by air.

5 years HVAC experience here. Those are pretty bad, maybe the worst filters I've seen, your supervisor is an idiot. Filters are cheap ffs.

>pneumonia

are we going full circle?

Holy fuck dude call OSHA

There's definitely a moisture problem; hence the black mold. Don't know if it's condensate or infiltration, but it's definitely constant. That main problem needs to be corrected first, otherwise changing filters ain't gonna do shit. Then the ductwork needs to be cleaned and disinfected and then I'd install UV bulbs to keep it that way.

t.HVAC tech

Anyway, you're in a tough spot, OP. if you don't report it, you're fucked when someone else reports it. If you do report it, you're fucked because you did. I don't know hospital semantics, but is there a formal, written request you can make to at the very least, pass the buck onto someone else?

>we /diy/ now

>user caused Hillary's pneumonia

scoop of the century

Funny how you guys will be claiming that he's a ruskie agent after story makes news.

Aren't there whistleblower protection programs in CDC? IMHO, it's better to write a report to CDC and if something bad happens have them cover your ass.

Doing my part.

user, before you make any move,check your hospital's policies and proceedures on whilstleblowing.
This is VERY important.

t. care home manager.

Mice live in food storage warehouses, that's just a fact of life that humans have been dealing with for thousands of years. As long as they're not selling packages of food that have been chewed into and contaminated by the rodents then it's not that big of a deal. They just need to get some pest control guys out there to get rid of the mice. What good will it do to tell the employees to be on the lookout? Will you carry around a slingshot to kill any mice/rats you see? Of course if you notice any sacks or packages of food that have been chewed into then you should report it to your boss though, don't just load it onto a truck and ship it out.

Are you saying staph aureus can't cause bacterial pneumonia? Don't meme me here, this is important for OP and public health in general.

>it's a "user thinks he's Batman but doesnt have the attention span to read two posts by one ID" episode

pls kys while you're at it

refer to
Fucking greedy shit. I hope you do lose your contract by failing to report this shit and trying to cover your own selfish ass.

If they fire you over this you could sue them and never have to work again. Get a lawyer before going forward.

Eh, id say just suck it up and do the 2 extra years to become a doctor, then suffer through your residency.

But if not, then ya, PA's are pretty cool. I dont have one but my friend thats an optometrist has one and they really help cut down on his workload. So youre useful and get to see the same shit a doctor does, but seen as more of a paper jocky.

Id say work for a hospital though if you go PA cause youll actually get to do hands on stuff, private practice will fuck you.

Payment attention. The final filters have holes in them. This hospital was built in the 70s and doesn't have all of those things.

It's just pleats and box for pre, bags for final. All that dirt is being blown directly into Ors, Icus, and shit. The fucking motors are the least of my concerns.
In the air handlers themselves. They are located in mechanical rooms. You probably won't have access. Find a young or disgruntled maintenance guy and wave a $100 under his nose.
Of course.

Make a thread on /diy/ and you will get solid advice. Lots of trade people there.

so you literally suggest gassing niggers?

>2 extra years to become a doctor

You left out residency

Lol this could get interesting. I named the wrong hospital.

Just go to the local media, stupid,they eat shit like this up

Not just niggers.

Better than masturbating them to death like the Nazis did

We could always push them on a mine cart down an inclined plane into an oven.

Pretty sure i didnt. You should go read again. But incase i need to spell it out for you

Most PA schools are two years.
Add another two(if he went to med school instead).
And tben i said
"Then you have to suffer through residecy"

Yeah I do plan on going the hospital way. Clinics seem boring.

That is the way I saw it, it's like a doctor, but with some more clerical duties.

I plan on finishing my BS in Biochem and then enlisting in the army as a Ranger(Special Operations) medic. I'm sure 4+ of trauma experience will give me a significant upper hand when applying to PA schools and hospitals.

Will it work on niggers? Jews have been known to have been gassed dozens of times with no actual effect.

How long would it take to check all filters in all hospitals? How many does the US have?

from one tech to another. if one guy does not give you the answer or part, you just keep climbing the ladder until someone does something.

hell when i needed shit and the manager said it wasn't in the budget to get the part, i went to the owner. currently working with a new manager and have two spares on the shelf.

This thread is full of great advice, gj Cred Forums

>blow the whistle
blow the whistle. the press love health stories

I'm just not seeing it.

I suggest you figure out a way to use it as blackmail

>this

Thank you all so much. I will not let you down. I'm doing it for the babies and staff alike. I'm not looking for a reward, I just want to do what's right. I can always get another job

Why name the wrong hospital? Are you compliant with those doing wrong? Won't be hard to find which hospital manages their own water treatment. Now we also know you hold a maintenance contract of some sort so that won't be to hard to shift through either.

Have you watched the show Bar Rescue? You've just described the plot of every episode. Owners are all slovenly manlets who make excuses for their filth

this

senpai of hvac, ftw

That's what I'm trying to prevent.
Skipping your chain of command is just as likely to get you fired as anything else.
At my last job I had to cc my supervisor for every single email sent professionally.
It was mandatory, if I was caught leaving him out of the loop it needed to be a damn good reason and OPs reason isn't part of that.
The supervisor will just say
>well user never brought it to my attention, look no email records, no forms or documentation.
OPs only chance at succeeding here is to write an email to his boss so he has a time stamp explaining the degenerate state of the air filtration system.
Save this email (cc yourself with another email address you have) also turn on the option that forces the receiving party to respond that yes they have seen this email.

Keep the email safe, when shit starts hitting the fan and people are looking to point fingers. You'll have the email and multiple pictures showing you in fact did your job and the supervisor never took action.

That's all you can do, if you really want to risk getting fired over this go ahead and send an email to you supervisors boss and cc your supervisor.
Let him know beforehand you're sending the email so he is not caught in the headlights.

No if it's big time it might be St. Jude. But I'm leaning towards Hackensack University Medical. They are pretty big and the CFO is a friend of my grandfathers. Good guy, but I can see this happening.

an alternative if the news and OSHA do fuck nothing: go on strike, print the photos up on huge banners, block the door so no more mothers/babies are exposed.

it's now your moral duty to stop this. good luck user.

You only need to watch one episode of Bar Rescue and you have saw every single episode.

hard to take someone's blood pressure when you're sixty feet off the ground

Its like talking to myself lol.

Sounds pretty smart, after college and after i had got accepted into MS, i signed up for navy and went through some contracts that had them paying for my school and give me a montly stipend. Right after MS, like not even a month after, they deployed me at a base. Then after a year of being a bitch intern they sent me to a hospital they had contracts with to get my surgical training. I was one of the best residents cause i got to practice a shit ton on military surgical dummies. But i was dog shit at talking to people, treated civis like boots sometimes lmao.

I have a younger cousin whose looking into going down the same path i did and it seems like the surgical training has changed.(idk how they handle surgical interns now)

Email the supervisor... easiest way to get it in writing. Include something that seems urgent along with it, or include those files that show whether it has been opened or not. This is the easiest way.

Can you not read at all? Lmao

you do know that the whole show is staged? 100%

i have an actor in the family who had a rather infamous role on the show (that we still mock them for). The whole thing, 100%, is staged.

Can of Lyson and a toilet bowl scrubber will fix that right up.

Why thank you but it's nothing special. I'm glad you like it though.

Lmfao. Thankyou for the laugh

You can tell fairly easily as well... Every episode is the same shit.

Just need to figure out who is the lazy owner, incompetent employee, what part of the bar is going to be filthy and how it is filthy, maybe throw a promoter or dreamer in there that can't see eye to eye with the owner. Maybe even throw a thief or two in there.

Writing for that show must be a great job.

is Swedish bad? I trust those fuckers

You need to report it.

you're a burger like me, which means you actually have some pretty comprehensive legal protection against retaliation for whistleblowing in this particular manner (safety issue, something of that nature).

Alternatively, I would try and talk to the higher administration at your hospital, sidestep your boss and take it up the latter, as I strongly suspect that whoever is above him is unaware of this. MRSA is a legal shitshow for hospitals and your boss would get straight-up canned if it turned out he had never put an order in.

report it or you are an accomplice

They're the least of your concerns, but money is probably their top concern. They hear youll save on energy cost, and equipment replacement, before they hear air quality in a hospital where the air is shit anyway. Most pleated filters do shit for Tenant health, and those that do are not good for your ac. That isn't their purpose. Having a good fresh air turnover is better than normal filters anyway, as far as osha is concerned. If they come they test the air quality first, if there's no issue they probably won't even look at your filters. If the air is bad the filter would be the last thing they look at.

Youre looking for attention.

Why would you even ask. Just do it!

No wait, they'll make it all your fault and scapegoat you if it becomes public knowledge. Maybe just mind your own business.

So... they just never look at filters?
Fuck you. Maybe someone will suggest something I didn't know or think of.

>maybe someone will suggest something I didn't think of

Taking the filters out and replacing them with DIY filters you made out of cardboard, dryer sheets and construction paper

Report it nigger

Stop giving OP shitty advice.
He just need to take pictures and send an email with a receipt to his supervisor.
Supervisor has to respond that yes he has read the email, it forces you to respond to these emails.
If something happens down the road, OP has proof via email he completed his job and the supervisor will be held responsible.

You faggots obviously have never worked a day in your life.

Yes, you should. If it was possible to connect this post to you, and people died while you knew and did nothing, they'd serve your ass up, quartered.

I mentioned earlier that it was a different contractor that informed me. Plus we were at a bar and he could be exaggerating. I had nothing to do with it. And this conversation is exactly why I named the wrong hospital. He said she said over drinks isn't really enough to go on to throw someone under the bus. This was years ago and has been dealt with any way.

Well your contractor friend helped someone contract an airborne pathogen.

You're at risk of getting large cash reward. Do it

Return air filters are not designed for tenant health or air quality, the are designed for equipment health. It's a common misconception. A lot of ac won't work well if you use a 99.9% filter (doesn't allow enough air through). They would be more focused on the turnover rate. In clean rooms you would use really good filters(99%, ionizing, uv) on the supply side.

>So... they just never look at filters?
Not typically.

The primary purpose of an air filter is to protect the evap coil from getting plugged.
IAQ is a nice by-product.
If you have air readings with low particulate counts it normally indicates that your filters are doing their job. Those filters are plugged, so in essence, they are "working"

Is correct.
IAQ is primarily managed with the introduction of "fresh" outdoor air. Not so much filtration but the dilution of indoor contaminants.

How long have you been in the trade?

Working on my 20th year. 15th in commercial.

and the fans would be designed to overcome the loss across the filters.

Op you have some guys that know their shit in the thread you should listen.

fpbp

I'm an electrician. I'm just tight with the hvac guys. But moldy airfilters blowing into patient rooms... There's no way you'll be able to convince me that's not a health hazard. No way. Ever hear of an upper respiratory infection?

overlook?

Sure have Sparky.
Hope you're union, cause when you go all white knight your gonna need them.

this desu

Just look at the waiting or emergency room. If it's full of brown hominids, do nothing.

>mmuh baybies
do not do anything.

Yeah, until they suck the filters though. Now you have dirty ass filters all over the turning veins, accumulating more mold.

No I will not take his advice, he has no idea what he's talking about. There's no ionizers, and no uvs. He's telling me there's nothing wrong with filthy moldy filters being blown into OPERATING ROOMS. He's a fucking retard. He doesn't understand the 1st thing about infectious control.

>t. guy who's never had a lawyer

most good lawyers have a fee before a consult. lawsuits are for the wealthy to keep their money

t. someone whose family lost some lawsuits we shouldn't have

How much do they cost? Hospitals piss away money on supplies all the time.

at this point yes your job is at rish if you DONT tell someone above your supriors head.

your supervisor is cutting corners and probabaly pocketing the money.

tell someone somewhere. if anything tell one of the nurses and ask who to go to.
they will point you int he right direction.

Unless you show us the actual HEPA filters, it’s fucking nothing. The prefilters are only for bigger particulate, the HEPAs are for the aerosols as small as 0.3 microns (if my memory serves me well) and are good for 3, 5, even 10 years. So go on the fucking roof and take pictures of the system, faggot.

dude WHAT STATE is this

my brother in law got mrsa staying at a local hospital in nj, not sure which one tho

i wanna say it was overlook (dad had surgery there recently) but my sister had her baby at JFK, and is about to have another one

user please tell me where it is so my sister and her new baby don't get fucking mrsa

i have to go to a hospital soon, PLEASE tell me what state to avoid so I can not go there, PLEASE HELP AN user NOT DIE.

It's like this everywhere

I used to work IT at a hospital.

I'm autistic about air filters and I know for a fact the filters were changed only annually on all HVAC systems.

also i should mention her options are overlook-jfk-plainfield-rahway

and my grandmother just died in i think it was christ hospital a few months ago

Nj

okay thanks im good, plus that other comment about HEPA filters is a great point, this is not the end filter

>He's telling me there's nothing wrong with filthy moldy filters being blown into OPERATING ROOMS

No he's not. he's telling you RETURN filters primary function isn't what you think they're used for.
And he described what an actual MED/BIOMED system should have.

You should put this book down and get yourself some ASHRAE books

nigga we already know it's nj, IS IT ANY OF THESE HOSPITALS or bayonne medical center?

i think plainfield/muhlenberg already closed

Aren't unions illegal in US?

What is the demographic of your hospital?

I'll show you, 1st chance I get I'll take pics of the Ors hepas

Not in Jersey

should also mention i just had eye surgery in st barnabas and my DS uncle died of infection in st michaels in newark

motherfucking lives are at stake here user

Fucking with the elderly, infirm, and infants should carry a death sentence.

Any of what?
Show me what code mandates filters for OR. WE don't have hepa final filters, just a high MERV rating. And a lot of them get sucked through.

Im sure those Ethiopian immigrants just fell on that birth control huh shlomo?

I'm sure that a local TV station would just love the chance to report that.

call their shit out now you're saving lives you dumb kike

Fucking nailed it.

op answer what hospital you fucking faggot

you're killing babies and potentially killing my sister

if it's any one of those hospitals (OVERLOOK, JFK, RAHWAY) fucking tell me

It's none of those.

>Show me what code mandates filters for OR.
Not code but ASHRAE guidelines: ashe.org/compliance/ec_02_05_01/01/airfiltration.shtml

>WE don't have hepa final filters, just a high MERV rating

Highest Merv ratings are comparable to HEPA

Yes I don't know what I'm talking when I install units for hospitals and actual clean rooms for a living. I never said it was healthy, but if you knew anything you would know the mold is already in the air and even a clean filter would shit against it unless it was a 99%rated. The only reason you see it is because the filters are blocked. The return filter is actual before where the mold is likely being created(inside the unit on the evaporator coil and drain pan) so the all that mold is flowing through the building before even touching the filter.

No shit. There are LEVELS of mold. There are safe and unsafe levels. And forcing air through a Forrest of mold is going to increase it considerably. Just because you know hvac doesn't mean you know shit about sanitation.

>guidelines

Shiet sounds pretty cool.

DoD has a 100% tuition scholarship, in exchange for 4 years of R&D work in your field. But I don't wanna spend all that time in a lab somewhere.

Thanks for the info and advice m8, I appreciate it. Maybe I'll see you around kek

I will say this as someone who seen this shit in the medical field. You are fucked either way because if you don't you can get in trouble for not speaking up when the man comes around, or you can say something and still be held responsible because, "you should've said something sooner".
Most importantly you should always save your emails (archive them NOT on your work email so if you get fired you wont lose access to them.) And demonstrate you did everything in your power to correct the problem and bring it up to your supervisor.
If it really is a case with the shop not having the means to correct the problem then at least your boss should be on YOUR side about the issue, make a written not about it and prioritize as an issue that needs to be solved asap. (the whole point of being a manager is prioritizing and communicating issues to your employees).

The only exception to this rule is if your dealing with Government Classified issues (say in snowdens case). In which case your still bound to that security clearance (S,TS whatever), breaking which of course is obviously far more serious (not condoning ever leaking classified material because MOST things top secret are because if leaked people will get offed and endup with concrete shoes). The only really option is bringing it up to the House oversight committe.

>guidelines
Yes guidelines which most codes and requirements are based off of. Requirements/Codes can vary.
Stop being so smug and realize you know enough about it to sound like an expert to people who don't know but pretty stupid to people who know what they're talking about

Yeah man experience doesn't mean anything, OP hangs with the HVAC guys. HE Knows what's up.

There are usually lawyers who do work pro-bono under certain circumstances. This matter would probably qualify.

Yes I have to know exactly that. Do you not understand the basics? The source for the mold that is collected on that filter is actually inside the unit directly after the return filter. That mold travels the space before it's even collected on the filter. Is it healthy?no. But you attack the source, not just what you can see. Besides my oc was really with dealing with your management. I sell this shit for a living, and saying you're are going to save them money works better than saying I'm going to snitch.

What state?

You keep making your "story" more and more dodgy. Which in turn makes you look like an negligent accomplice. So I went ahead and archived this post for future reference and accountability for the press. Maybe I'll be seeing you on KCPQ

archive.is/l21NJ

fuck

seems to me like the key issue here is doing it in a way that cant be tracked back to you

Cram it.
>Is it healthy? no.

WHAT? Then what the fuck are we talking about? Why are we arguing?

Kek wants you to blast it with piss.

>New Jersey
So it'll kill liberals?
>urbanites
>innocent

at least tell us north or south jersey

>So it'll kill liberals?

Libs, fine, but not little babies. They can't defend themselves, and they have done nothing to offend me.

They were just brought into this godforsaken place and have no idea what's going on.

I have no babies, but them and dogs and opossums are the few creatures I care about.

I cant. I've witnessed the destruction of Cred Forums, and I've already said too much.

You in house or a contractor?

Go to local news with these pictures.
Use a fake email and send to the link at the bottom.of the page at your local news networks website.
They love slinging dirt and this will give them hella good ratings.

I don't know why you're arguing, I'm trying to help you out and give you the knowledge to solve your problem. Tip one the return air filters are not the source of your problem, and are not primarily for air quality. So just changing the filters is not fixing your issue. Don't use air quality as your approach.

Tip 2. Come at it from a cost/ benefits perspective. Clean filters do help with efficiency and unit health. Spending money on filters and such now saves them money in the long run.

It's not fixing, but it's the place I'd start. Mold will have a harder time growing on clean filters. But yes, theres mold all over the unit.

Also we've brought up the reduced cost. But this place is ran by assholes. They give us a budget and don't care about the rest. My manager is a retard and is too concerned about the short game. He.. God he's such a fucking retard.

stop making sense!

Total opposite dude

>only shlomo shows concern at this

wew lad, look at all that mold.

>Mold will have a harder time growing on clean filters.
Wut?

Just suck his dick already. He for some reason was talking about how pre filters don't protect People, which I already knew. I was saying moldy pre-filters are unsanitary.

THIS THREAD REALLY FITS THE MOLD.

Jesus christ you can not be this fucking stupid. You know Mold is an organism? You know it needs to feed? You know what it feeds on? The filth. The filth in dirty filters.

epa.gov/indoor-air-quality-iaq/guide-air-cleaners-home

Here, read up. Clean filters = clean living space, which was my argument the entire fucking time.

This is the reason the elderly die in hospitals and it makes me enraged.

>MRSA
Blow the whistle. That's some sick shit if its giving infants and pregnant women drug resistant infections, it's a fucking miracle everyone doesn't have fucking legionnaires disease too.

They have to die somewhere. Why not where they are easily disposed of?

LOL! Dude your beyond comical. The organisms don't need the filth to live on they can feed on the filter media itself. Mold needs moisture plus food. The food is the media, clean or not. Oh lord, we're trying to help you out here sparky.

>Clean filters = clean LIVING SPACE

You are in a HOSPITAL
If you had a clue you would know it's not one size fits all.

>Just suck his dick already
Wew

You're building maintenance right? Your lead or chief engineer isn't in on the budget process? If not yeah your mangers are shit. Sometimes it's the leads/chiefs holding up progress, because being cheap looks good to the higher ups. Stuff like this should be brought up when the budgets and reforecasting are being done. No one is doing shit once those are finalized, unless there's an emergency. Keep pushing your chief on it, clean the filters the best you can. If all else fails start burning up the blower motors. Get enough emergency calls, and they'll learn

The day pol argued saving babies and hvac.

USA, the ONLY place in the world where you can lose your job for trying to do the right thing and save lives.

cooper? what part of jersey? dude, i would love to fuck them over cooper or any of the kenendys in south jersy. i been in the hospital for 12 months of the last 38 and all those hiospitals suck. they even tried to lock me up and have guards at my door to not let me out at one point. they gave me the worng meds for 6 months and i complained about it for 5 of the 6 arguing every day then i got a 2nd opinion from a guy who came over from jefferson in philly. turned out i was right all along. lawyers said i cant do anything because it didnt do significant enough harm

Lol what about legionellosis shithead!
Why do you pretend to understand something which OS clearly not in Your Field!?

Op do the right thing and try to fix this shit before someone dies and i'm not even joking

wtf I hate bars now

It's true but I feel like a lot of elderly people are dying in hospitals because of weakened immune systems and the lack of a sterile environment. I know someone who works at a hospital and they don't even wash their hands properly.

tweet the shit anonymously or you are going to lose your job. let social media take care of it for you.

Probably due to the exclamation points. Also, the level of naivety

You cant dismantle them and wash them like air conditioning ones?

Serious question. No bully. No homo.

I really dislike doctors, possibly even more than politicians.

>I at risk if I do
You are the one responsible for it. You will get fucked if you don't blow the whistle and it ends up blowing up in your face if something actually happens.

Yes. It is true every where because of the nature of filters
> (You)
>The organisms don't need the filth to live on they can feed on the filter media itself. The food is the media, clean or not.

Except the synthetic media designed for hospital filters is mold resistant. Even so, did you miss the part where I said less likely?

Congratulations, you've either proved that you are trolling or that you know absolutely nothing. Good job 1st year apprentice.

doctor literally threatened not to give me pain meds unless i took the psych meds. she diagnosed me with bipolar which i never had before. i tried to explain that she sees me sometimes when im high from pain meds and others when im tired so i think that is why she thinks i had bipolar. she insisted that wasnt the case. told me she wouldnt giver me pain med if i didnt take abilify and risperdal. i tried to leave to go to another hospital and she had me committed for being a threat to myself and others. took me 2 days to get the guards to let their guard down so i coulod run to the stairs then run through a neighborhood to the speedline in lindenwold. was in kennedy in stratford. less than a mile from the sppedline. took the train to 0philly and went to jefferson where they gave me a mental eval and put me on the right meds i should have been on for 6 months prior. was out of that hospital within 5 weeks.

based czhech

>Except the synthetic media designed for hospital filters
"Hospital Filters" Keep sliding. Just because it's in a hospital does not mean it's been treated. They only use treated filters in certain circumstances(because they are expensive) How u made it this far is amazing. Must be local 68

Wow. I'd never willingly take psychiatric drugs, they can really screw you up and just seem like a cop out instead of getting proper mental health counseling