What is the pol's thoughts on abortion

sorry this isn't an argument

abortion is the number 1 killer of white babies

and murder is murder
go abort yourself you autistic stormnigger

it's degenerate, but it's slowing the nigger birth rates

It trivializes life and makes people even more irresponsible. Then these people say we need to save refuges, lol they are 50th trimester abortions.

>MY body MY choice!
>My little Tommy just got circumcised :)

For almost every situation it is her choice, yes.
There is really no downside to abortion.

However, what about...
His life, his choice?
Men should also have a say on if he wants to be a father or not. If a woman refuses to have an abortion due to whatever jew reason she can think of. The father should have every right than (if abortion is legal) to simply walk away with no penalty.
If she still wants to be a single mother that's fine, if not she better get an abortion.

Yes, abortion kills far more dindus than police ever could.

Whether or not it's ethical to the fetus will always remain a matter of opinion. Otherwise, you risk encouraging risqué behavior allowing it, but that's none of the government's business

Nope.

No, she's too stupid to make her own choices. That's what I told my ex wife and I stand by it.

What is Ody?

I just wish there were laws that if a man doesn't want it, he wouldn't have to pay c support.

During the first trimester it is.

>Advocating for a larger nonwhite population
Top cuck

My body, my right to kill sluts then with my body.

>Fucking killing babies because the woman doesnt feel like having it or because 'he might be poor'.
>'he might be poor'.
>Then these people say we need to save refuges, lol they are 50th trimester abortions.
>we need to save refuges

B-b-but you need the refugees for those low paying j-jobs.... hmmm

Can't see a reason why a teenage slut should ruin her life just because of a mistake she and her partner did.

Was it the baby's fault?

Why punish it?

Stop having sex if you can't figure out how to use contraceptives.

People should be sterilized if they use abortions as post-conception contraceptives.

Her body,
Her choice,
Her baby,
Her money.

abortion is ok when done limited, and not as an substitute to condoms and the pills. like if those fails its ok. also banning it will just result in people doing it with a coathanger themselves and die, so its better to have it made by professionals. however it seems that all the abortions are handled as childsacrifice for moloch currently so you shouldnt do that.

>also banning it will just result in people doing it with a coathanger themselves and die
>just result in people doing it with a coathanger themselves and die
>doing it with a coathanger themselves and die
>coathanger themselves and die
>and die

It saves money. I wish it was legalised in our country.

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Leaf told the truth

I think abortion should be solely for rapebabies.

The problem that arises from that is more false rape accusations.

No, it's not.
Technically, it's a tumor that is killing the mother.
This is fact and indisputable.

We are the ONLY SPECIES ON THIS PLANET.

That actively seeks to kill our unborn young..

Careless sluts have the right to murder babies you damned Nazi frogs!

>Stop having sex if you can't figure out how to use contraceptives.
You do realize that even if you use contraceptives correctly, there's still a chance of failure right?

It's fine but shouldn't be simple.
The first one can be free/covered by insurance but every subsequent abortions should cost and then append a digit to the price for the next one and so on...
The idea is to punish repeating offenders but go easy on condom failures or not pulling out in time.

this is the one case where i side with the slut

parasites have no rights aside from those bestowed upon them by the host

obviously past a certain period its a bit silly to continue viewing it as a parasite but that is at X months - the only question is where to draw the line

as long as you are doing it before there is something substantial inside of you i could not give a single fuck less

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Copy and paste since I never seem to get a good answer to this.

Killing innocent human beings is immoral, and the unborn from the moment of conception are human beings. Therefor, abortion is immoral. Life is scientifically defined as an organism in the state of development, The unborn from the moment of conception is a distinct human organism that is growing. That makes it a human life so unless you have a good reason to support killing innocent human life the argument holds true. This stuff about choice is just a red herring because the real issue is whether the unborn is a human life.

THEN JUST DON'T HAVE SEX
I HAVEN'T HAD SEX FOR 23 YEARS IT'S NOT THAT FUCKING HARD

It curbs crime in the long run do it'd okay.

>I HAVEN'T HAD SEX FOR 23 YEARS IT'S NOT THAT FUCKING HARD
>JUST BE AUTISTIC LIKE ME!

Keeps the nigger population down.

Nobody can draw a line on what constitutes substantial human life. Life starts at conception.

Komodo dragons, eat their young... after they are born.... NVM carry on

Banning abortion would end to tons of leeches surviving on welfare, so I support it.

Why do people suddenly pretend to care for any and all life, when the issue of abortion is concerned?

I'm sure you guys don't participate in anti-cancer rallies, donate blood or donate your last pennies to the red cross, yet once you're give the chance to be self-righteous and opinionated, you're all over it.

>I'm sure you guys don't participate in anti-cancer rallies, donate blood or donate your last pennies to the red cross,

Why should we have to do any of that to be against the killing of innocent human life? You don't have to be an active participant of a neighborhood watch to be against people breaking into other peoples houses.

I agree 100%.

If it's solely her decision, then should the father be held financially liable?

Which way should it go
1) Ask the father if he will be there for the kid
2) Decide on abortion

or
1) Decide on abortion
2) Tell the father he's having a kid and needs to man up

next to none today. its basically a meme

also im pretty sure that 'not fucking a random dude' is a 100% garanteed contraceptive.

>b-but i wanna do what i want im an independant wimminz waaaah

Fuck you you serial killer, you disgusting slut

>Killing people and not attending cancer rallies or donate blood is the same
>doing a negative is the same as being neutral

shit logic try again

It is her choice.
Just like it's my choice to infect myself with tuberculosis and then walk into a hospital waiting room coughing on as many people as I can.
Hey my body, my rules right?
And don't tell me that I can't do this. I might die if i don't go to the hospital. Are you telling me that the other people at the hospital have more rights than me?

Then be prepared for an "accident"? Maybe you don't understand that people are supposed to produce babies during sex.
Abortion is not a recreational thing.

no unless shes about to die, but i wont shoot her if she does, just call her out

Yes, it's her choice. Scrape out her uterus like the bottom of a peanut butter jar. I don't give a fuck and neither should you.

>inaction = murder
>being this dumb

what if we made a pregnant woman's lottery where it was pro-choice, but never for yourself. only preggos could enter, and they would draw some random pregnant girl and that girl could read the circumstances of the insemination, wealth level, age, and whatever else may be relevant. Then they decide if it lives or dies. And the same will happen to them. They never know who made the choice.

>I'm sure you guys don't participate in anti-cancer rallies

Getting cancer isn't a moral issue, and cancer has no agency

>donate blood or donate your last pennies to the red cross

Impoverishing yourself to help charities isn't the best moral option. Why give away all my wealth and starve to death when I can give away small regular donations for a long time?

>once you're give the chance to be self-righteous and opinionated, you're all over it.

This isn't about virtue signalling, it's about opposing a widespread form of murder

>hurrr offspring are parasites
Can we just stop with this dumbass argument

>muh """""""""Murder"""""""""

There's worse things than """""""""Murder""""""""", for instance, ruining a developed, actual human's life at an early age.

>anti-cancer rallies
You think screaming at cancer would make it go away?
>donate blood
I do
>donate your last pennies to the red cross
Don't they have a shady side I can never remember?

>This isn't about virtue signalling, it's about opposing a widespread form of murder

can't get much more cucked than this. Nothing wrong with killing a baby as long as the father deems it unworthy.

We're also the only species that need to pay taxes and support our children financially lest they turn out to be pieces of shut, you fucking retard.

We're also the only species that need to pay taxes and support our children financially lest they turn out to be pieces of shit, you fucking retard.

>Then be prepared for an "accident"?
That's what abortion is for you stupid Pollack

>Try to reproduce
>Succeed
>Remove offspring

No. That's not what abortion is for.

Pregnancy is a risk you take when you have sex, whether or not contraception is used. You are consenting to the sex, and the sex can have repercussions. Your consent or non-consent for a human life does not let you murder them.

This is the only redpill I can't swallow. Why the fuck do you care about some dindus ball of cells? Yea it's a human being but it doesn't have thoughts, feeling, anything. You're okay with war and cheer when a dindu gets shot by the popo. You kill your baby? So what? A few weeks later you can make another one. There is no shortage of babby in this world.

what exactly is wrong with murder other than "muh feels" you liberal cry-baby?

Killing something for convenience is wrong.

I've Seen Dr house two times.
Dont Talk shit you faggot.

thats what a cuck would say

Responsibility for ones actions. Don't expect other to fix your mistakes by immoral practices just so you can be a manchild a little bit longer.

Should be between her and her family and the doctor. It's not a fun thing but it's sometimes necessary.

>can't get the difference between an embryo and a baby.

You shouldn't stop at abortion if that's really how you feel about it. Did you know a woman only comes with a small supply of eggs and every time she gets her period one of them gets flushed down the toilet!

OUTLAW MENSTRUATION NOW!

>If she still wants to be a single mother that's fine
Will no one think of her poor child? I know he doesn't exist yet so it's hard for him to voice a preference, but I know I'd rather be aborted than raised by the typical single mother any day of the week.

Yeah that's a really bad idea.

For some definitions of contraception perhaps. Depends on what you are using. Men still don't get a pill. Vasectomies are pretty effective, but a bit extreme and therefore rare. Condoms? So many things can go wrong with those.

The most convenient methods of birth control are all female controlled, sure if she takes her pills exactly as directed for the past 30+ days then it's pretty reliable but how do you know she did? How do you know she hasn't decided she wants a baby and just started fucking it up?

For most men the only really reliable method of birth control is going to be to never really have sex. Blowjobs are safe as long as she swallows in front of you, but if she runs to the bathroom and spits she can grab that shit and plant it herself.

And people wonder why porn is so popular?

>Your consent or non-consent for a human life does not let you murder them.
Roe v. Wade disagrees with you
>Have sex with no intention of making fetus
>Make fetus
>Get rid of fetus with abortion
>Polish "education"
Guess that's something they don't cover in Advanced Toilet Scrubbing

And what objective measure do you have for what's a ruined life Greece?

60% of your population should have been aborted for running up millions, and ruining many adult lives.

So you value the squatter's rights over the property owner?

Neat.

Stupid but neat.

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are you seriously against a man's right to abort his child? i can do what i want with my property you feminist cuck

>try to reproduce with no intention to produce offspring
You may as well say that you tried to kill somebody but you didn't want him dead.

a lot of abortions happen even when the body has developed

ugh, yeah. human experiment was fun. We made some nice anime, but I think we're done. You can end it whenever.

so? Still has no thoughts, emotions, feeling.

I hope you feel as stupid as you are, every day, until you die.

If you have a tape worm does it get to claim your body as a home? No, you stupid "logic impaired" faggot.

The next time one of you womanless retards have a thought about big topics, just kys.

When do women have abortions? Why? Why are you trying to stop this? Why do you think it's a good idea? Have you really stopped to think about what you're doing?

If you want to argue
>muh white babies
then please, focus on why any baby of value would ever be aborted and focus on solving THAT problem. Until then you are literally just giving liberals something to campaign with despite the issue being fucking moot since the fucking 70s.

Goddamn dummies.

Murder, plain and simple.

>as a clump of cells performing biochemical processes, it can be destroyed
>but as a clump of cells performing different biochemical processes, it somehow then has meaning.....

Still inconsistent and retarded.

>Did you know a woman only comes with a small supply of eggs and every time she gets her period one of them gets flushed down the toilet!

need a sperm and an egg to have a baby

your analogy suck and im in no way obligated to defend the parameter you set

Yea a fly does the same thing but we kill them all the time, you know why? Because they aren't fucking conscious. The baby may as well be a tree at that point.

Absolutely but the father should also have some say in the situation. If both took precautions to avoid pregnancy than the man should be able to give his input on whether or not he wants a child. If yes, fine, if no then he should be able to pay for the cost of an abortion and end the relationship because at that point, he's fulfilled all his obligation as far as I'm concerned.

If the woman still wants to go through with it, again, her choice but she shouldn't be entitled to another penny of his money.after that point. If one partner makes a huge choice the other didn't agree with, that person should bare the responsibility of their choices.

I was having a conversation with my best friend the other day and she just couldn't get her head around this. She thinks child support is "nothing" because it's "just a financial obligation but the woman does the rearing!". I'm irritated because we've been friends for 15 years and recently she's become interested in feminism and flushed half her brain cells.

>kills leftists
>kills shitskins

Sounds like the greatest thing ever to me.

A tree doesn't grow up to become a human.

It was her choice to have sex
It was her choice to not use a condom
It was her choice to ignore her cycle

It is NOT her choice to end the life of another.
She does NOT have the same DNA has the human inside of her.
She may NOT have the same blood type of the human inside of her.

It's murder. Hope she thinks about it every day of her life. God does not forget and judges accordingly.

>her body, her choice
>women should have 100% control over reproductive decisions such as whether or not to abort, whether or not to give the child for adoption and whether or not to keep her child
>in every one of these cases, a man is forced under threat of imprisonment or death to pay for her choice
>everygoy wholeheartedly supports this
>his wallet, his choice
>men should have some kind of input on reproductive decisions
>men should be able to opt out of the financial responsibilities of being a father
>men in general should be able to opt out of the financial responsibilities of paying tax money for shitty single mothers to keep popping out kids out of wedlock
>OH MY GOD YOU ARE A MIGOSYRAPIST HITLER

Wow, this CTR poster must be a woman and retarded.

her choice to murder a child, her own child. sad

yeah, there sure are too many White people huh?

not the question at hand. is it so horrible to, even before it is born, prevent the baby from growing up? Just have another one later if you want, holy shit. Do you personally feel hurt when a babby dies? Is god angry? if he is then he takes it out on the woman.

>muh embryo
sick meme, degenerate

Potentiality arguments are trash kazoku.
What if she had a miscarriage later?
What if the baby grew up to be Hitler
What if the baby grew up and invented a time machine to prevent its parents from ever meeting creating a time paradox?

There are infinite possibilities of what could happen. It's meaningless to speculate.

/thread. Good job leaf.

I actually feel empathy toward the MRA perspective here. Unless she went in-vitro and there literally wasn't another known male involved, it takes two to tango and abortion is not just HER choice.

Aside from that, should only be permissable if the birth will harm the mother.

Abortion has negative impacts not only on the female psyche, but the male psyche too and the obviously society as a whole.

FPBP

ty user

>Will no one think of her poor child? I know he doesn't exist yet so it's hard for him to voice a preference, but I know I'd rather be aborted than raised by the typical single mother any day of the week.

I'm all for population control, but we can't have her body her rules AND force her to get an abortion or force her to not get an abortion.
It's just an endless cycle of who is right.

Yes it is wrong for a woman or man to force a child into a horrible situation, for almost any situation other than say one of the parents died. Which no one is really at fault in that, but I digress.
What can you do?
There is both a positive and negative for every single choice made, this is factual.

In this case the freedom of men not having to raise shitty brats and the possibilities that the nigger population will go down (mexicans also) far outweighs the negative of a few children who aren't aborted raised in shitty situations.

I feel for those children, I really do, but as someone who was raised by a single father who successfully kept me alive and mostly normal. My empathy is very limited.

Tell me why abortion is bad without reffering to murder.

It saves loads of money
It saves time
It saves being chained with somebody
It saves paying child support
It saves your ass.

So wait, are you saying the baby in the mothers womb got their all on its own? wow interesting. Seeing American "logic" never ceases to amaze me with its stupidity.

>mfw I forgot its NEET posting time in the US

>doesn't want a child
>does literally the only thing that creates children
fucking retards

>may as well be a tree
Come on, either you're trolling or didn't give it any thought.
Fetus is not conscious, but it will be unless you kill it. A tree is not the same.

we don't care about niglets, only humans

>You kill your baby? So what? A few weeks later you can make another one
>Yea it's a human being but
>Why the fuck do you care
The problem people have is the murder of INNOCENT HUMAN BEINGS. Not chickens, not cows, not murderers or rapists. The fact you do not understand this is a testament to your lack of moral fiber. You are scum.

Tell me why genociding Argentina is bad without referring to murder

It saves loads of money
It saves time (somehow)
It saves South America being chained to a shitty country
It saves the UK paying it for the islands
It saves the world

There's literally no reason for your shitty third world people or country to exist.

at that point it time it is. So what if it will be conscious? were not living in the 4th dimension. potential does not matter here.

It's bad because it is part of the slippery slope of irresponsibility.

We know people will always choose the path of least resistance. We know that the path of least resistance is generally shit.

IN order to fix society, personal responsibility needs to be re-established. Abortion is a hindrance to personal responsibility.

Apply the same logic to an infant. Who gives a fuck, I can make another, no obligation to take care of it, right?

>It is NOT her choice to end the life of another.

But it is.

it is her choice but you should be ostracized from society if you choose to do this
unfortunately inseminating a life form and then killing it because "lol oops didn't want that to happen" is seen as at least partially acceptable in today's society
on the bright side it does keep the nigger population down so it's not all bad I guess

MY SEMEN MY CHOICE FUCKING MURDERER WHORES.

>killing an unborn baby that will be ill-suited for a good life is murder but war is okay.

wew

should be mans choice

How is another person's DNA your body?

And a newborn isn't much smarter then pigs we slaughter for food, yet I donn't need to explain the insanity behind that.

>b-but he'll develop and grow smarter!

And so will that clump of cells.

Fine, I don't think it is a humane approach but I guess it's fine if you extend it to people in coma and alzheimer

It takes two to tango bitch.

>So wait, are you saying the baby in the mothers womb got their all on its own? wow interesting. Seeing American "logic" never ceases to amaze me with its stupidity.

The only way you retards can justify this clear violation of property rights is to pull out the whole "but the babby is a special protected life you put there now deal with it!"

So fucking what? Should I care about the baby's life because it's somehow special or sacred?

I can smell your jew meme religion from here.

No wanted baby gets aborted unless the baby was put there by a moron who couldn't help but put his dick in crazy.

Life eats life. We should be using the aborted tissue to save people we like.

Murder is illegal you faggot.

You know what, you fools are falling for the liberal self-righteous meme. Why do you get to decide what's immoral and what's not? Your religion does not apply to every person on this planet. The baby has no consciousness, feeling, emotion, and is not an irreplaceable object. If an abortion happens in Iowa right now, it affects you in no way whatsoever. It does, however, affect the mother who no longer has to give up at least 18 years of her life devoted to this child she did not want. Get out of your head.

Calm down Hans, the syrian bull arrives tomorrow
Irresponsability, something else?

I don't mind it. I like it in that most abortions are done by niggers.

Wild hypothetical: if humans were monotreme instead of placental, how would you use the "muh body" "babies I don't want are like parasites" argument?

How would justify a woman stomping on an egg that will inevitably morph and hatch into a human? And what if the father was against it?

It's sad that modern women are too immature for placental reproduction.

It's about the potential, if not aborted those cells will become a human, how can't you idiots not understand such a basic concept? It's like vegetarians who eat eggs, hypocrites!

Murder is killing without justification. The law sees abortion as justification. Thus abortion is not murder.

>you faggot
No need to get butthurt just because you can't go around and redefine words to your liking like this is tumblr here.

Pic related.

That said, I find abortion to be pretty fucked up.

wow this really made me think!!!

I just don't support murder of your own children

does that make me a bad person user?

sure, I support it for rape, or disease/disability, but not for convenience

but it would be racist and oppressive for me to attempt the buetiful noble savages from doing it, then eating it

Being born is punishment desu.

>infantcide is okay!

Sure you don't belong of Africa with your "Conservative morality" you savage nigger?

Holy fuck listen to yourself.
People are murdered every day, it doesn't affect you personally, should we not care then?
You are not irreplaceable, your death wouldn't affect me, I can't really check whether you have emotions. Should I be allowed to kill you when I decide your existence is an inconvinience?
I am not religious btw.

Yes, user.

War can be justifiable, depending on the pretext in the same way killing another human being can be justifiable in the pretext of self defense.

If the alternative to war is slavery, who can rightfully claim it is not justifiable?

When I was in undergrad, my first semester, I had an intro to philosophy course with a fresh-outta-the-ivory-tower professor. This was a Catholic Uni, mind you, but he still thought that it was a good idea for us to discuss the morality of abortion over the last month or so of the course.

One girl was so irate that he had us read both pro and anti stand points that she screamed in class and stormed out and never came back.

While I have my beliefs and all these years later I remember a lot of the materials we read and the arguments for both sides, ultimately, I think this is a debate people will never all agree on. It's still fun to watch people debate it, but that's a bid morbid considering the harsh consequences of said debate.

Undecided. There is no rational argument based on fact that is able to determine when a human starts being a human or when consciousness enters the body.

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>unironically posting kikebook tier being liberal shit on pol

>Chicken Egg
If its not fertiziled then no it would be a chicken anyway. Plus its shell is cracked open, so now it has no chance be getting fertilized.
>Tree Seed
Same argument as chicken egg
>Silk, silkworm
This clearly has to be made by someone. You can't just let a dress develop on its own like a child does in the womb.
>Fertilzied egg
It is a human. A baby isn't an adult, but one day it will be. It'll have the same DNA and blood type through the entire process from when it first started, to when the human dies. It doesn't not change species. or magically become human due to its position away from the vagina.

>Americans still think children go hungry in the US
kek. Are you retarded? Food stamps, welfare, section 8 housing, tons and tons of handouts and ou faggots still think kids go hungry in the US? Childhood obesity is out of control in the US and you still think poor kids are starving? LOL This literally isn't even a argument. If you can't feed your kids, you're a shit parent who chose drugs over feeding you kid. Not because you can't afford it.

Only if she was raped or going through with it will endanger her life otherwise she needs to deal with her mistakes like an adult

I like to think of it this way:

It's her choice to get an abortion. Protected by law.
It's my choice to unashamedly call most people that get them shitty people and the shittiest of mothers. Protected by law.

Why do you act as if pregnancy is some kind of magical disease made to punish women for existing, as if there is no cause?

The difference between liberals and conservatives on this issue is that liberals don't like responsibility or personal accountability. They would rather be in favor of the legalized killing of their own children then to own up to the actions that put themselves in that position in the first place.

The only type of "abortion" I support is termination that is performed within hours or a few days after fertilization. And I only think that's appropriate when you've been raped.

Other than that, if you don't want to be pregnant, don't let a guy cum in your birth canal. That simple.

In a perfect world, abortions would be avoided through safe sex practice.
Abortions should also come with mandatory hysterectomies and sterilization. If you are too stupid/reckless to use contraception you should forfeit your right to reproduction.
Fuck, get a DNA profile of the father and sterilize him too. Fucking subhuman filth, tricked into thinking sex is just harmless fun and "liberating" and not reproduction.

There's no rational objective argument to why conscious is "special", compared to any other biochemical reaction in the body that doesn't border on "spook" teir.

But for convenience, people would rather use the dehumanization argument and practice doublethink, then show some restraint till bottom is found of the question.

The "her body, her choice" argument is nonsensical. It is her body--that doesn't mean shit. The government tells me what to do with my body all the time. What is it, a fifth of my income in taxes alone? That means every workday I spend two hours working for the government, not myself. Let's not mention that if there's a war, the State can tell me to stop what I'm doing and go die for Israel.

No, the government CAN tell you what to do with your body, and it ought to tell whites to suck it up and have that baby for the exact same reason that I pay taxes: It is necessary for society to have a next generation.

If you are pro-abortion for a reason besides hating niggers, you must necessarily be opposed to any form of compulsory contribution to government.

too bad there's no government aid that will make teenage couples and single mothers any less incompetent. too bad all those rape victims would have to stick with their new dindu because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time, huh?

You asked for a reason not using murder. I gave you one. Problem?

>Somehow Adoption or giving your child to an orphanage is no longer an option.

Are you retarded on purpose?

He couldn't even justify why we shouldn't just murder all the Argentines either. He can't even follow his own "logic".

Wait, so the dindu can sit in a government-funded orphanage, never get adopted and shuffled between foster homes, grow up and become a successful gang member?

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/thread

Let pedos adopt kids that are going to be aborted anyway

Let the baby decide when it's old enough to do it.

Magrete Sanger wanted to eliminate the Negro race. Abortion is good. 60 percent of abortions are of black and hispanic non-white fetuses.

I guess all analysis of consciousness end up being speculative at this point but it feels pretty safe to say that human consciousness is more complex than the consciousness of nearly every other living being that we know of. But that assumes that "consciousness" is related to the degree of complexity of the intelligence of a given creature. Then again I am the one randomly assigning consciousness as the determining factor of a human being, when it might not even be the case if it is indeed not "special" as you imply. It still seems to me like a better metric than "viability outside the womb" which is the one we currently use in legal terms. It used to be a pretty clear pro-choice guy a few years ago, but when presented with this kind of problematic I think it's pretty safe to say that only a simple person would consider this issue and its moral implications to be easily solvable. I consider myself undecided because I am open to any new arguments from both sides but I think it's not answerable until we know more about what consciousness is.

Well, I'm a pro choice Republican/Libertarian

I'd rather the baby be aborted than being raised by shitty parents who can't even afford to put food on the table.

Thinking and feeling are actions that human beings can perform but to say those actions are what makes you human and gives you the right to life commits the fallacy of confusing cause and effect. You must be a human before you can act like one, so you must be a human before you can think or feel like one. Even if you don't think it has value from the moment of conception this should still be the point that we default to so we don't, in a sense, accidentally kill innocent people since we don't have a definitive answer.

How about you not let your man cum in your pussy without a condom or the pill?
Is that choice harder to make than going through an expensive and time consuming medical procedure which could result in other medical complications?

And should we proverbially "break Humpty Dumpty" even if we know not whether we can put him back together?

You can't "un-kill" a person, simply because we learn more about the arbitrary measurement we use to judge(in this case consciousness).

If we learn everything about consciousness tomorrow, and determine abortion is "okay", fine, no problem. But if what we learn contradicts at best, a "guess" that all that matters is consciousness, or its relation to body before brain..... Then we've made a terrible mistake.

If it means less niggers then im all for abortion

Them digits though

If its her choice then its my choice whether to vaxx my kids or not.
I love the hypocrisy here. These people are usually the same ones who say autism shots should be mandatory

It is her choice to not have sex. If she gets pregnant, she has chosen. Abortion and birth control are the main reasons for the fall of the west

>this

>There is no shortage of babby in this world.
There is. The west is dying, getting overrun by nogs

>getting arguments from hollywood

Thing is, we know with a 100% certainty that at the very least adult humans are conscious. And that fetus will eventually end up as one. Life, no matter how shitty, is better than no chance at life ever.

Abortion should be legal because less niggers/criminals/drug addicts/etc but it should still be stigmatized so that more affluent women think twice before doing it. Abortion is murder and the whole concept is disgusting but unfortunately it is to some agree good for society

degree

It means less whites, more niggers

Then it must be banned for non-subhumans

Honestly who gives a fuck if it doesn't DIRECTLY effect you?
Honestly I could care less. Is this so important to people that they must put a gun to someones head and force them to choose? If anything we should worry about the people already on this dumpy ass planet no those who aren't born yet. If a women wants to get an abortion shes gonna find a way to do it no matter if its legal illegal moral or immoral respectively. Just like drug addicts, they will infact do whatever they need to do to get the job done so to speak. People will be people NO MATTER what your opinion is so just move on already.

>>Her body, her choice
>Not his kid, not his sperm, his alimony
>She cheats, he divorces, he gets fucked

womyn pls

This argument doesn't convince me. I don't see why you would need to be considered human before you actually were one, let's say that when the nervous system fuses is when consciousness enters the body. So that would be the time where you became human and not before. But I understand and agree with your point that defaulting to the moment of conception is the moral stance to have since we are unable to pinpoint that moment.

Yea, well, I agree.

And who is to say that the earliest stage of consciousness is what determines a human beings existence? For instance you could have a 3 year old kid who is still unaware of most things that an adult is aware of, therefore having a lower perception of reality. Wouldn't it be logical to then say that his life would be worth less than yours, because his consciousness is not as complex? This would justify killing 3 year olds in a sense. Feels like a rabbit-hole.

Few more abortions and this stupid thread wouldnt have been made

REMOVE

MOLOCH

AVE MARIA
DEUS VULT!

I'm pro-abortion, murder gives me a hardon.

Nope, she should let her neighbor decide.

They're not throwing babies off cliffs, tard.

>I don't give a fuck and neither should you.
wow, when did you become a nihilist?

just kill the dindus, I don't give a fuck and neither should you, btw I am so moral that I don't believe in morality becauise I am super edge cuck

Yes, no one should have to pay for a child that they don't want, and we don't need any more trash kids.

if i implant a baby in my gut and then connect life support to it feeding it from a tube connected to my throat to the babies mouth, then the baby is my body, right?

No, her body belongs to the men of her race. Duh!

not relevant

dead is dead

>Enter thread
>Answer has been said
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there's a person (possibly a nigger) trespassing in her private property. i can't really see how you wouldn't want her to kill that guy.

>Planting seeds in fertile soil on your own property.
>complain when plants grow.
>women aren't responsible for their poor choices and should be allowed to kill another human being that is inconvenient to them.

fuck no.

There should be 3 scenarios

Female wants child:
1) If male doesn't want child, man shouldn't have to pay, but woman should have right to have child.
2a) If man does, no problem.

Male wants child:
3) If female doesn't want child, she should have child and male will take all responsibility.
2b) If female wants child, no problem.

It's a fake meme. Sanger never said that. I'm surprised the idiots here are still falling for it.

>Killing innocent human beings is immoral
True

>and the unborn from the moment of conception are human beings.
False

There's your answer.

>Therefor, abortion is immoral.
False information = flawed syllogism.

>Life is scientifically defined as an organism in the state of development
Made-up definition. This is very common for people who have no real evidence.

>killing innocent human life the argument holds true.
It's not a living being until it is born. It never has been in the history of the world.

Our law, language, science, religion, culture and ethics have always respected birth as the beginning of life.

Single mothers, below 18s, people who are poor and can't afford to have kids, people with horrific inheritable diseases, and niggers should have mandatory abortions. Civilized, healthy and financially sound whites and maybe asians should have kids.

I'd rather be dead than be raised by some teenage whore single mother.

>It was her choice to have sex
>The boy had no choice and no say in the matter
Then how did his dick get so deep inside her?

>It was her choice to not use a condom
>The boy had no choice and no say in the matter and prolly no condoms on him at the time.
Then why did he stick his dick in her? He must have known there'd be risks.

>It was her choice to ignore her cycle
>The boy had no choice and no say in the matter because everybody knows contraception is 100% a woman's responsibility.

>It is NOT her choice to end the life of another.
It is not a life until it is born.

>She does NOT have the same DNA has the human inside of her. She may NOT have the same blood type of the human inside of her.
Doesn't matter. It's not alive yet.

>It's murder. Hope she thinks about it every day of her life. God does not forget and judges accordingly.

Then your "god" is the biggest mass murderer in the history of the world. You worship a murderer? no wonder you're so screwed up.

And btw, where's that bible verse that says abortion is a even a sin? 650 laws in the bible micromanaging every single aspect of your lives from your clothes to your food to making women sleep outdoors on their period, and not one single mention of abortion? Not even once?

Your "god" has {{{spoken}}}

>He doesnt know what conservative means.. or right wing means.

>If its not fertiziled then no it would be a chicken anyway

Not sure what you mean by this. So for you "life" is nothing more than fertilizer?

>It is a human.
A human what? Afraid to say?
A human fetus? Yes.
A human being? No.

>A baby isn't an adult, but one day it will be.
You don't walk into the grocery store and ask for a crate of unborn chickens? But you have no shame in referring to a fetus as an unborn senior citizen or an unborn teenager.

This is why people laugh at you.

>650 laws

We're not Jewish. Take that argument back to facebook

you are retarded.
if a guy breaks into your house, do you shoot him?
if yes, why can't a woman kill some guy's child if he puts it into her?
it's the most american thing ever. now fuck off.

>Not sure what you mean by this. So for you "life" is nothing more than fertilizer?
i see this just now.

and i'm laughing hard.

do you jizz on flowerpots so the plants grow better?

If he's in the process of breaking in, or endangering you. Yes.

If he was welcomed in, then asked to leave, it's just trespassing

abortion is devil worship

>We're not Jewish. Take that argument back to facebook
[ √ ] No religious laws banning abortion
[ √ ] Not a sin
[ √ ] Not even worth a mention

>why can't a woman kill some guy's child if he puts it into her?
Because it isn't alive yet. There's nothing to 'kill".

It is 100% her choice to pay for her own abortions.

Underated Post

>and i'm laughing hard.
I figured you wouldn't start laughing until sometime next week like you do with most jokes.

sick burn

>abortion is devil worship
Then why does your god do it? Why does he do the "devil's work"?

Could it be you're on the wrong team and are waaaay to bluepilled to even realize it??