Is creationism the final red pill?

Is creationism the final red pill?

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>That comic
The difference is, no one claims Harry Potter, Spider-man, or Mickey Mouse are real

yes it is
you will find true enlightenment once you mix fundamental Christianity and transhumanism and you realize the human form is just stage 1

nigger niggers

>>That comic
>The difference is, no one claims Harry Potter, Spider-man, or Mickey Mouse are real
furries

Damn, should have said no people.

Minions are real af though amirite?

My parents are unironically young earth creationists.

They'd be based if it weren't for that, their love of kikes, and their aversion to my racism.

I do

explain black people if we all came from adam and eve.

protip: you can't unless adam was a racemixer

Retards take all kinds of pills, even red ones. And those pills never work. Basically placebo.

Creationism isn't really a problem, but claiming you know exactly how and when it was done is.

woah...

if evaluation was real we'd know about it but when we look to the bibble there's noothing there according to elevation we all used to be monkies in the jungle then how come there still loads of monkies in the jungle and they dont keep turning into people? face it, everlution is just a liberal trick concocted by jews to corrupt our soft vunerable children in order to get them to turn away from good god almighty

i dunno but check my digits and let kek answer

jej, except Noah's Ark is only slightly less plausible than an anthropomorphic mouse running around.

>if people came from chimpanzees why aren't there half man half monkeys?

Yes, now give me money to show your faith.

I dont get it. Im too stupid for this one.

Got dangdang ol... WHOA.

Except people have been actually getting interested in the occult from harry potter.
They absolutely think it's real.

Where's that leaf who was arguing that Laine is as good as Matthews? Cringy desu

youll never have the faith to understand Christ if you cant even believe God created us

They self identify as worthy enough to go to heaven just like trannies self identify as the other sex

"Faith" is not an argument.

>That black kid
I knew he looked familiar...

No it's called being stupid. Seriously what's wrong with America. In Europe if someone believes in creationism it's seen as a fucking retard.

judging by your memes it's something that'll die with cringey boomers

May you please keep those threads at ?

nah
but it helps you have lots of children so that it is excused

sauce me sven

> I've never had a child. The post.

Believe me. The kids who dress up in those costumes believe those people are real for longer than you'll be comfortable believing.

You'll know when you have a kid.

Adam and Eve doesn't discount micro and macro evolution, so the explanation: micro and macro evolution. Adam and Eve had children, the population exploded, and some of them migrated, adapting to their environment and developing traits based on that environment. Next question?

>Seriously what's wrong with America.
Nigs
Spics
Rednecks
About 75% of our population, and jews control that whole slice.

fpbp
Cred Forums once again BTFO

...how is that remotely comparable?

Creationism is like the denial of heritability of IQ. It's not evidence based but ideology based.

youtube.com/watch?v=7bH21w2R0hc

Kids? Uneducated blissfully ignorant kids who will believe literally anything you tell them? Sure.
What's your excuse for adults?

and what do we call those people? thats right, we call them fucking retards. notice a pattern?

I can't really get above the "we all came from the same people". Dunno why, but i always imagined that our different races are REALLY different. But maybe, it's just me.

This. It's bullshit.

>it says the bibble
YOU QUESTION THE WORD OF THE MIGHTY JIMMY?

faith
noun
1.
confidence or trust in a person or thing:
faith in another's ability.
2.
belief that is not based on proof:

>not based on proof

wow rlay maek me tink

No

This. Kind of.

Human form stage 1 was handcrafted and spirit filled; they lost the filling.

Human form stage 2 was the spiritless dead human beings we were all born as.

Human form stage 3 is the spirit filled new creation who volunteers to be spirit filled, and new, and leave the old behind.

Human stage 4 will be our glorification into the likeness of Jesus.

It's a false definition. Faith is the human ability to believe what you have not seen.

Like electrons.

fuck off atheist they're real

Religion is the ultimate bluepill

Sorry m'spooks... your slave morality has no place here

What race were they to begin with?

daily reminder: Noah's ark is on the top of Mount Ararat in Turkey

no one actually takes stirner seriously irl

Chimps aren't monkeys they're apes. Humans didn't come from chimps anyway.

This guy.
acstlu.tumblr.com/
Quite a lot of gay shit though and I won't look through it to find the specific pic so
imgur.com/EnZJh3Y

Noah's ark is not only plausible and entirely feasible, but in all likelihood there may be explicit evidence just out of our reach

>Noah's Ark Examined
youtube.com/watch?v=GxQV5OQcVJk

The images in this video aren't very convincing and a little out-dated, but the points he makes are spot-on

How it isn't?
Literally 90% of liberals and antifa are in fact fascists.

>transhumanism
get out faggot

...

INDIA VS PAKISTAN IS HAPPENING TONIGHT GET IN HERE

Sacrificing your capacity for thought (religion) is the ultimate bluepill, which is what (((they))) desire most from the goyim. And thanks to Protestantism, there's a flavor for every fool and all the schisms you could possibly want to exploit.

Creationism is a perfect example of such mental self-sabotage. And the comic laughter is perfect- those mocking the creationist know that what they do is fiction, while the creationist is too dull to discern the difference between a creation myth and reality.

Yes.

The last redpill to swallow is that evolution is a lie perpetrated to the masses to undermine Christianity. For example:
>They teach that all life undergoes fetal stages in order of lifes evolution in modern high school textbooks, despite this being proven a fraud over 100 years ago.
>The communists aggressively pushed evolution as a way to get people to embrace socialism and atheism

They also claim that dinosaur fossils are millions of years old, despite the fact that we find soft tissue and intact DNA still preserved in them. There is no possible way they could have survived longer than a million years, let alone 65m.

>but muh natual selection proves we all came from bacteria hurrrrr

No it doesn't. The emergence of different species through natural selection involves sorting out and removing pre-existing genes. Nowhere has any new gene been created through random mutations. Even mutations like blue eyes and bacterial drug resistance involve the removal of genes, not the creation of genes through random mutations. 99.99% of mutations are too insignificant to be detected by natural selection, so the hurr natural selection selects good mutations and removes bad mutations hurrr model is a fraud.

Try reading up on what creationists ACTUALLY believe instead of falling for media misrepresentations of them.
creation.com/diversity-life
creation.com/don-t-fall-for-the-bait-and-switch
creation.com/Whos-really-pushing-bad-science-rebuttal-to-Lawrence-S-Lerner#really

Aryan.

Kill yourselves

Not an argument.

Stay in your safe place. I don't mind.

Wouldn't it be possible to have evidence there is or isn't an ark based on genetis mapping?

For instances, if there is a bottle neck in all animals around the same time(since they interbred) this is evidence there was indeed an ark event.

Has anyone ever done something like this?

Not very bright? penguins could just stay on the ice during the rain , they are great swimmers and can live from fish

>le final redpill may may
>1 post by this ID

It's called a fucking flood you dumb nigger. It's turbulent retard

yes, ignore the fedoras they religiously devote something for more ridiculous (i.e. cartoon ponies, jap cartoons, gay sex, Bernie, their autism, veganism etc.) than whatever they make fun of you for despite how much they deny it

don't mind him. he needs underage b&, and we shouldn't feed his troll

>My parents are unironically young earth creationists.
The Bible actually supports an old earth theory much more.
godandscience.org/youngearth/paradise.html

Don't be a fucking Google. Nobody but the retarded and liberals think fiction is real.

ice floats like a boat retard

Yes. Everything is created and has a Creator for which gives it purpose. Nothing can exist without purpose.

They swam.
And birds to migrate insane distances every year.

"Each family of creatures on earth have a single pair of ancestors... There would have been ample room to load ancestors of all the species we know of today with room left over for Noah's family, food and supplies." - Dr. Kenneth Ebel, Professor of Biology

>creationism
>red pill
>1 post by this id

> This retarded
You don't have to be a fedora to know genesis is bullshit m8

No. Religion based thinking is the ultimate blue pill.

Just because we don't have full knowledge of something we shouldn't bury our heads in the sand and be content with it.

godandscience.org/apologetics/localflood.html
The flood was not global at all.

That's why the jews are promoting atheism as much as possible in the media. Atheism killed Europe because without The Bible the refugees have no strong ideology to assimilate into.

Just because we accept that everything we preceive in our reality was created and preordained, does not mean that we do not want to learn more of how He makes it work.

>Very fist point is Haeckel's Embryo drawings
Actually open up a biology text book you fucking idiot. No text book claims his drawing are actually accurate, at best they are presented as a historical curiosity.
home.uchicago.edu/~rjr6/articles/Haeckel--fraud not proven.pdf
And even if people still believed in inaccurate drawings of embryos that would not invalidate every single other component of the theory of evolution.
Also, reminder that calling someone a communist isn't an argument. A communist can tell you it is raining just as well as anyone else.
Also ask yourself, is it more likely there was red blood cells in the dinosaur bone because it died 2000 years ago, or because we were wrong about the preservation potential of organic matter?
Remember that the old model of preservation says all organic matter should be gone in a few hundred years anyway.

Don't tell the christfags that.

>He didn't get an invitation to Hogwarts

>religious is just STUPID like LOL xD xD
typical atheist "debate" skills
>spout memes
>call names
>assume superior intellect

just because you met some religious people who weren't all that bright does not mean that religion as a whole is anti-intellectual

see video here >inb4 more of the same from atheist memers

>without The Bible the refugees have no strong ideology to assimilate into.
Yeah, if only europe was still mostly christian. All the blacks and mud scum would just become peaceful christians too, just like all the christian blacks in the US.

oh wait..

explain?

This.
When I learn about The Universe I learn more about the nature of God. I feel like everything God does may eventually be understood through science.

>Islam hasn't indoctrinated them so thoroughly that they'll be making Europe Islamic rather than the other way round

The only treatment for religion is nationalism.

If what your saying is true why would the jewish lead media LOVE promoting atheism amongst the goys?

Most of them believe it's was a global flood, and don't like being told the shit they were taught all their lives was false.

>Mfw this Google Skype thinks that pol is majority creationist.

Exactly. Science is God's creation. The equations and theorems were have discovered to this today were already there and only God knows how much more there is left to discover. It is illogical to believe that all of that just popped out of nowhere.

That's an argument against widespread human ignorance not the existence of christianity. It's like me pointing out the vegan crossfitter atheists, but I don't do that because it's a stupid argument.

t. someone who used to be an atheist his whole life

THERE ARE PENGUINS THAT LIEV IN AFRICA YOU FUCK. How about instead of trying to disprove noahs ark, you prove your IQ is higher then 10

>That's an argument against widespread human ignorance not the existence of christianity.
I know

>t. someone who used to be an atheist his whole life
Holy shit. What made you think God exists?

Oh yes just fall back onto your big governments and races so they can become your Gods

mark of cain
cain was a dindu

What a retarded image, if you can't see why I must say you are one delusional fucker.

>Holy shit. What made you think God exists?
Hugh Ross

how dare you imply those things aren't real

I mean what did he say that convinced you?

>Tons of fresh water dumped into ocean, merges fresh water and salt water habitats
How do the fish survive?
>Hugely increased ocean currents and higher pressure
How does anything survive or stay intact? Not to mention all the sediment kicked up.
Boats sink in storms all the time, what makes you think Ice Rafts would survive.

He bascially analyzes the The Bible from a scientific point of view, and shows how perfectly in line with science The Bible actually is.
amazon.com/Navigating-Genesis-Scientists-Journey-through/dp/1886653860
amazon.com/Why-Universe-Way-Hugh-Ross/dp/0801071968/ref=pd_bxgy_14_img_3/153-6526183-7003647?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=ZZQ818NW8DDY59SRV8H3

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jesus christ could you be any more retarded?

Behold the Atheists Nightmare

youtube.com/watch?v=nfv-Qn1M58I

He was also an atheist that converted later in his life.

Willful ignorance at it's peak.

>Willful ignorance at it's peak.
Really makes you think...

For example, the story of Adam and Eve when God creates Adam and pulls out the rib to create woman is an exact reflection cellular division.

How the fuck would i know? , i just responded on a stupid meme picture

>Boats sink in storms all the time, what makes you think Ice Rafts would survive.

Its not a boat it is just a big flat layer of ice what floats were the rain drops off

It's referring to the fact a kid feels ashamed to say he went to a theme park because of atheist autists like you.

How does the The Bible being perfectly in line with science mean that is true?

You know what else is perfectly in line with science? Nothing that's in the bible fucking happening.

You can always assume that everything that science doesn't understand is something God must have done. But that's not evidence of God, that just constantly receding the definition of God as time goes on to take responsibility for less and less stuff. It's certainly not any kind of reasoning that he exists.

I can prove that magic evil invisible clown that lives on the dark side of the moon is consistent with science, does that mean he's likely to be real?

>When confronted the atheist continues to indulge in willful ignorance.
The guy was an astrophysicist and I fact check everything he says with secular books and documents.
amazon.com/Irrational-Atheist-Dissecting-Trinity-Hitchens/dp/1941631622

Does he explain why the gospels can't agree on Jesus' lineage, or even who has grandfather was? Or which women discovered the empty tomb, or what his last words were? Anything? Because I'd have to have some of those things cleared up before I'd move on to reading about the Wonders of Science in The Bible...

youtube.com/watch?v=QhnsC2V4_0w

Wait the fuck up here...
AYO HOL UP!
Please pardon me.
But, um...

Are some of you actually trying to argue FOR the ark story? You're trolling right? I mean FFS is God wanted to punish man with sort of a global Jokulhaups, what about all the non-jews who existed both before AND after said flood?

>shows how perfectly in line with science The Bible actually is.

"And he [Hiram] made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one rim to the other it was round all about, and...a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about....And it was an hand breadth thick...." — First Kings, chapter 7, verses 23 and 26

Pi = 3

Hold up senpai.
>This is what creationists actually believe.
youtube.com/watch?v=DtU5q4z-xXc

>He bascially analyzes the The Bible from a scientific point of view

>THERE ARE PENGUINS THAT LIEV IN AFRICA YOU FUCK
What, in the savanna? They'd die of heat stroke on the trip to the middle east, assuming they wouldn't starve to death because none of their usual staples are there along the way.

Now he should do the same thing for the Holy Quran.

I really can't believe morons like this clown breath the same air as i do.

hey mashka or w/e how u doin girl
ur vids make me believe in gawd

I'm not an atheist, but human food bananas are nothing like natural bananas.

That banana he has is part of the crop variety which has been honed for human consumption over many generations of careful farming.

The dude's a fucking idiot and should go see what actual, natural bananas look like.

LOL WHAT??

How fucking stupid are you??

That's such a massive stretch that I you could make the story of adam and eve be about literally anything if you can make it to be about cell division. Cell division is neither the origin of life nor the origin of humans, so why would that be what adam and eve refers to?

How does something like that make you think God is real? Do you think that the story of adam and eve displays knowledge of cell division? It's like the shitty psychic telling a bunch of vague shit about stuff that will happen to you this week "ooh, this week will be bad financially, but you'll meet someone new" and they know whatever you do during the week odds are you'll do something that will make that true one way or the other.

>You can always assume that everything that science doesn't understand is something God must have done.
I hate that approach. Read my earlier replies.

>You know what else is perfectly in line with science? Nothing that's in the bible fucking happening.
That's just straight up wrong, man.

I'm saying The Bible makes a lot of interesting leaps of scientific ideas that are right while all the "wrong" things are just perversions of the true meaning. For instance The Bible was on of the first documents to declare time had a beginning to that The Universe is stretching.

holy shit

Really makes you think that god only knows fundamental constants up to zeroth order, doesn't it?

He read the QUr'an before he read The Bible and said The Qur'an was complete horseshit. was complete bullshit.
All these arguments.

He almost managed to describe a fundamental mathematical constant that he himself invented. Almost!

Please satan people used diffrent math at other times we use centimeter burgers uses inch who is right?

Ug ignore those abhorrent typos.

It would explain a lot if we all came from Adam and Eve. That level of inbreeding would explain why we are so unintelligent as a species. We could have been so great, but look at us! I admit we areiraculous in a way, but we could be so much more.

no, not even close

>Anything related to religion
>Redpilled
Accepting authority, government or divine, is totally bluepilled socialist faggoatry.

Descendants of ham who was cursed to have burnt skin

Masha

I'm not sure how to argue against something not founded in logic or evidence. The basic idea of Noah's ark is just absurd and entirely incorrect for instance.

Real reason Cain killed Abel his because he took all of the hot sister pussy.

>I'm saying The Bible makes a lot of interesting leaps of scientific ideas that are right while all the "wrong" things are just perversions of the true meaning. For instance The Bible was on of the first documents to declare time had a beginning to that The Universe is stretching.

Point me to any "leaps of scientific ideas" in the bible, that could understood without people having to understand the idea already.

Eg. show me where it says time had a beginning and the universe is stretching in a way that someone would be able to understand that that's what is happening without already knowing that that's the current model of the universe.

See, it's not actually agreed upon that time had a beginning. If it turned out it didn't would that mean that interpretation of the bible was wrong? Or that the bible was wrong? I'll bet handsomely that people will just say the original interpretation of the bible was wrong, and find ways of interpreting it that support the new physical evidence. This is psychic con-man shit 101.

And i'm sure he was totally unbiased.

Yeah. And did you know that wheat, barley, oats, and rye are all specially honed grasses? Go find natural grass and see how good the grain is on the real shit.
Natural maize, aka corn, is nothing like crop corn.

God didn't give us the food we eat. We've bred it over time.
Tomatoes and eggplant are the same shit.
Cows were once buffalo.
Sheep and goats once mountain rams.

We are God. We took nature and recrafted it to our purpose.
Iron and carbon into steel using fire. Sand into silicon into computer chips. Again using fire. And chemistry.

This.

Science is our perception of how the reality around us works. It's all here, created and initiated by God, for us to discover. God knows how advanced it can actually and knowledge we have not even dreamed about is still undiscovered, and all created by Him.

>All these arguments.
Sorry bro, but many here see arguing with creationists as kinda silly and pointless. Like arguing with furries or pedos on Cred Forums. Many people here see religion, in any form, as silly and I personally believe that no one becomes super religious without having some kind of crippling character flaw. There are plenty of things in the bible that seem very odd to the nonbeliever, such as but I don't think many people here are in the mood to debate your own personal religious beliefs. Especially when I have the suspicion that most people who post like you are actually trolls.

Were not laughing at you because we are insecure about our dismissal of the Bible. When you laugh at Mudslimes, is it because you secretly wanna be a Mudslime and send farts to Allah? No. You honestly think it's silly nonsense.

We don't hate god or any of that nonsense, we just think you're funny.

Who or what do you believe put all of that here for us to discover and change? Did it just appear all of a sudden one day, or could someone or something created it there for us to use?

haha I was laughing at you for stating the obvious despite the fact that everyone on earth has seen that video before and knows exactly why its so stupid. so i laugh at you and then you give me a second post of more stupid shit everyone already knows. Holy. Shit.

>Cows were once buffalo.
Wrong. The cow was closest related to the auroch (Bos primigenius)

He was an atheist before hand. He said that he wanted to explore all of the world religions and he went through several scriptures first.

>Who or what do you believe put all of that here for us to discover and change
Vishnu, the Sustainer

Also what about god bringing two of every animal on the ark?

We know how large you can build a wooden ark with modern shipbuilding techniques. Being able to fit 2 of every animal on the ark is physically impossible without handwaving "God did it".

And how'd all those Kangaroos and Wallaby's get to Australia!!!!!

Read my and some of the other earlier replies (some ark arguments I saw were stupid). Stop being so fucking lazy.

Tranny scum here. Just want everyone to know that the bible is fake, and at every chance I get, I open one, get some nice shemen on the pages, then shut it waiting for some Christfag to open it some day in confusion.

creationism is as dumb as flat earther shit

It does not matter what we call Him. He is all the same.

post your pics please dear lady, i wish to see your glory

I call him Shitfaggot in my prayers, is that cool?

>Desert religion bullshit stories
>red-pill

Why do you disappoint your forebears every day user? Turn back to the old gods, the gods of your people.

I read you said it was a local flood.

Why did he need every mammal on the arc if it was only a local flood? Even from regions that didn't flood?

Where did all the water come from. Even for a local flood to flood a arc in the middle of land is an insane amount of water.

It does not matter what name we give Him. They are all the same creator.

god has billions of angels it would be no problem for them to fly around some animals

Yes, for He created you do so.

Who created time :^)?

biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah 10:12
biblehub.com/job/9-8.htm
biblehub.com/isaiah/45-12.htm
Just general stuff like this for the stretched out Universe.
Read his navigating genesis.

He's not gonna be able to answer your questions because the guy relies on the most extraneous viewpoint and convoluted arguments by shoe horning a biblical interpretation over "science" by readily ignoring things that prove him wrong and eating up all the shit he can find that agrees with him

uh huh

>Who or what do you believe put all of that here for us to discover and change?
Opportunity for life to go there. Life always takes advantage of a possible situation for growth, because life is a series of chemical reactions that has gained the instinct to keep those reactions maintained.

And before you start talking about souls, let me assure you I could 100% stop your entire soul and consciousness without killing you using nothing more than drugs. AKA chemicals.
If your brain was anything more than chemistry, then I would not be able to stop it by using nothing but physical lifeless chemistry.
Hell I can influence any feeling you have, from fear and anger to joy and comfort using JUST chemicals. Your emotions, you see, are 100% based on what are called "receptor sites" and chemicals like "serotonin", "gamma-endorphin", "adrenaline and noradrenaline", "dopamine", "oxytocin", etc.

You see, if your God existed(I'm not saying a higher power doesn't exist here btw), it means he made niggers. And that right there shows complete malicious intent or complete idiocy at minimum.
Thus the fuck would have to either be the bad guy, or a bumbling clown.

Sounds fake and gay
If thats reality ill take hell instead.
Gods plan is shit.

Because you can't fit 2 of every species in a space 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide and 30 cubits high. It is estimated there are 8.7 million species on earth right now. You have to be a troll or retarded to not realise the problem with that.

God.

For the opportunity of life to arise, something or someone has to be there to start the spark, would you not agree?

Read the article

>the fact that everyone on earth has seen that video before and knows exactly why its so stupid

Are you as dumb as the people you're debating ITT, because obviously many of these retards believe the shit and do not think it's "so stupid".

God. And with the creation of Time and Space, brought forth the birth of the universe.

>read this extraneous unproven shit using things that only agrees with it and ignores everything that actively goes against it.

yea real "science" there. Completely unpublished, not peer reviewed, no evidence, circumstantial shit he used overlayed with a wild interpretation of a hyper translated book

thinking about that, a fair amount of those are fish, but excluding even those, like you aren't going to get very far with 1 ark. The bible fundamentally misunderstood how much biodiversity there was and thus the person that wrote it didn't realise how ridiculous the myth would sound in the future.

It's an understandable mistake for the bibles writer to make.

>because obviously many of these retards believe the shit and do not think it's "so stupid".
>some people don't think its stupid that means its not!
some people are gullible as shit and will believe anything that merely "makes sense to them"

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What did he do before creating time?

This video explain speciation in the organisms.
youtube.com/watch?v=GxQV5OQcVJk
I don't quite get behind the beginning because I adhere to a local flood but the center and end explains how the arc would function with speciation and the like.

>Unproven
just fact check it yourself he gives references.

gotquestions.org/Bible-reliable.html
The Bible has actually been perfectly perserved over the hundreds of years.

Only God knows. Maybe one day in the future we will evolve far enough to find out for ourselves.

That understanding comes from existing within time. Since there was no time the concept of before is null "before" The Universe was created.

>something or someone has to be there to start the spark, would you not agree?
That somebody might be there, but it ain't the kinda fuckwit that Jews/Christians/Muslims worship.

A higher power can exist.
But any such power would not waste time playing "god" because any such being wouldn't be that egotistical and petty, much less dumb enough to actually make niggers.

>just fact check it yourself he gives references.
extraneous references.

>the bible has been perfectly preserved
fucking hardly, its been mass produced and translated over 1000 years of language evolution to every one of the 36000 different sects of christianity and catholicism and orthodoxy. This isn't a reliable source of scientific literature at all

No.
Beliefs based on ancient books with not a shred of evidence behind what is written in them are bluepilled.

I'm surprised a leaf didn't mention the plants. Where were all the plants on the arc, eh?

>we cannot comprehend

Fucking cultists' response to everything.

>Only God knows
tired of hearing this shit from religious assholes

Where were any of the bacterium, fungi or other organic life?

Just animalia? were the other 4 kingdoms not present?

>fucking hardly, its been mass produced and translated over 1000 years of language evolution to every one of the 36000 different sects of christianity and catholicism and orthodoxy. This isn't a reliable source of scientific literature at all
You haven't been reading my articles have you?
probe.org/the-dead-sea-scrolls/

apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=13&article=1413
Skip the bullshit feel good opening statements and just go to the arguments for this one.

>my articles
self referencing, erroneous, non-peer reviewed "articles" are not science and not credible. Go a head try to write a thesis on something like this and see where a PhD review board sees your paper into the trash.

This is on par with flat earthers having no clue of physics or how gravity works, one of the fart sniffers writes some book on it. Only the flat earthers buy it then they source themselves as credible when the physics and none of the metrics used make any sense and are full of erroneous techniques

Oh, I am sorry, please,explain to me what there was before time and space. Then replicate your theory in a lab for proof. Like I said, just because we don't know now, does not mean we can't find out in the future. I am only saying that the only thing that can say for sure is God.

Literally everything in the article is provable and verifiable. Just fucking drop the fedora that's hanging over your eyes.

>I am only saying that the only thing that can say for sure is God.
sure bro, makes sense

>he stretched the heavens
suppose now that we discovered that space time wasn't really expanding. Would that mean this verse was wrong? Or would we just come to a different interpretation a "spread the heavens"

The term is so open to interpretation it's meaningless. Sure it cool you can match it up with some modern physics, but it sure as fuck doesn't predict anything.

Makes about as much sense to believe in "the bible code" bullshit as much as this.

How did God create time for time existed? "Creating" is something that requires time to exist. You can't have events without time.

What article?

Christianity fundamentally understood means that you do not ask the meaningful questions merely from the English source material. Genesis is written in poetic language.
Even before evolution was a thing, they noted the importance of this.

>provable
you don't prove something that has no fallibility. You don't cite the sources that only agree with you and ignore the ones that disprove you.

Theres references in here written by people who thought a piece of 50 year old petrafied wood was actually 4400 years old and apart of the ark. They flat out deny the radiometric dating because they don't believe in that, and they only believe the dumb references written by others that cite them.

Dead Sea Scrolls are shit son.
Human high civilization goes back over 14,000 years.
We're just now beginning to find what remains.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Göbekli_Tepe

The seas were about 400 feet lower 14,000 years ago than they are today.
And remember, the vast majority of human cities are on the coast, so any major cities that existed 14,000 years ago go swallowed by the oceans, and because the sea rapidly corrodes/erodes anything that isn't maintained within it, there's nothing left of those cities today.

Then please, explain to me how some thing that we have not discovered can not make sense.

Cont.
>It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
Proverbs 25:2, KJV

Heres a great example of how other real shit that was studied goes directly against another retard's sources that only include things that agree with them.

Then when we discover how to "create" without the plane of time, then I will change my phrasing.

Nice image.

Viva la singularity

I can't wait to boost my IQ by a 1,000pts

That is why christians dont trust origen , he had a problem with how can it be morning and evening with out the sun , So then they went with a methaphor

>Then when we discover how to "create" without the plane of time
That defies logic. It's like trying to figure out how to accelerate without movement.

If you're just throwing logic out the window anyways then you're just saying.
>God doesn't need to any kind of logical explanation to exist. He just does, no logic needed.

>black guy has ginormous lips

lmfao

I remember reading a theory that the Great deluge is actually real, but that it wasn't as big as the bible claims.

There was a huge earthquake that caused a series of floods around Egypt, and the story about noah's ark was based on that event.

Still, it is most likely that theory is also wrong, but the point is that certain ridiculous stories in religious text could be ancient interpretations of real events.

How fast do you think evolution is exactly?

Here's some more. I hope they chap you nice, bby.
I'm not Atheist. I just hate the Abrahamic scum.
I'm more in line to believe the higher power is like the Q or "wormhole aliens" in Start Trek. I lean more toward the Q.

Maybe. How people worship God today is completely subjective. No two people pray to the same idea of God.

You've never met a tumblr tier Harry Potter fan.

To all you Christians:

I understand that modern creationism isn't necessarily in line with patristic thought on all accounts, and that sometimes creations assert things that aren't even necessarily biblical; but with that in mind, doesn't allegorical interpretation sometimes diminish the theological message of some bible passages. If the world was made over periods spanning billions of years, than doesn't it seem silly to call Christ "Lord of the Sabbath Day"? If man evolved, than does it not diminish the value of God "breathing life into man"? If the deluge of Noah was a local event, doesn't it diminish the While "cleanse the earth of evil" story, and diminish the importance of Christ as being the new Ark of the Covenant, if much of humanity survived the flood?

Sorry if the above paragraph is too long, but my phone is getting hot, and I don't feel like taking longer to punctuate properly.

>he doesn't know bohemian rhapsody's stando powah

Wow burgers are so fucking retarded.

not him but evolution can span a few generations done in a few days, months, years like Ecoli or the flu does to as long as a few million and as far as a few ten or hundred million years

>blue pilled comics

The final Red Pill is accepting the Flat Earth and heliocentrism.

>How did God create time for time existed? "Creating" is something that requires time to exist. You can't have events without time.
That's your time based perception

>suppose now that we discovered that space time wasn't really expanding. Would that mean this verse was wrong?
Considering that the the heavens, in the new testament, means The Universe, yeah.

God was there before the creation of time. Of course we could never know how He operates on an entirely different plane of existence where time is irrelevant.

You are retarded on so many levels if you can believe that and not the fact that they all have a single original acestor

Read about Black Sea:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge_hypothesis

Same.

All Abrahamic religions must go.

youtube.com/watch?v=plVk4NVIUh8

I wouldn't even call burgers "retarded" because burgers are just slabs of meat between two slices of bread - you eat it, it's not like it has any brain cells? lolwtf?

How does that disprove anything.

What really happened-
>word comes of heavy monsoon rains from the east
>oh shit noah! We're going to lose our farm animals to the rains if we don't prepared!
>well, I got an idea. Let's build a barge to house them in case it floods here in the valley.
>hmmm, sounds alright. I'll help you build it if you let my animals come too.
>okay. Deal. And let's get other townspeople in on this, and we'll all pull through. We have little time so let's hurry!
>alright
Thus, Noah's idea saves a bunch of livestock, and because people take these things VERY seriously and attribute miraculous notions to them, Noah is made into the hero of a story that gets passed down through the ages, and somewhere people think it relates to God wanting to cleanse the earth(because why else would a deity create a flood so big this year?).

!

>That defies logic. It's like trying to figure out how to accelerate without movement.
Literally the current scientific belief. Pretty much every scientist know time was created.

Also, "40 days and 40 nights" sounds exactly like a heavy monsoon.

>That's your time based perception
no it's not. Events cannot exist without time. They are utterly dependent on the existence of time.


>Considering that the the heavens, in the new testament, means The Universe, yeah.
But you don't think people would just think it meant god spread out the contents of the universe throughout space time, instead of expanding spacetime itself? Again, "spread the heavens" is incredibly vague. And I recall from ages ago "heavens" has a pretty loose definition in the bible too"

>God was there before the creation of time.
There was no "before" the creation of time. How could the be a "before" where time does not exist? Fucking burgers, jesus christ.

I know that, i mean that as in the fact that there is simply not enough time for evolution of the different species and human races in from the creationist point of view since, you know, 3000 year old earth and all that.

People who reject God go to hell not people who don't hear God's word. There are so many things wrong with what you said.

>Pretty much every scientist know time was created.
Nobody knows if there was a beginning to time or not, these are not aspects of the big bang theory that are widely agreed upon.

And as I said, it's literally logically inconsistent. Like a square circle. Events cannot happen without time.

Oh that is for sure when i talk to most catholics he will say i will burn in hell for what i belief , then i just think do you even know god , and he will probably think the same

God will damn me if I wash my clothes with clothes made of other materials

He'll also spite me for shaving

Then you think The Universe exists by necessity, and time had no beginning?

Old law performed by jews as a symbol of purity. True christians don't do that.

We can not define it because we have no knowledge about it, my God, how is this not getting through you. What part of different planes of existence do you not get? Are you really that ignorant?

>Old law performed by jews as a symbol of purity. True christians don't do that.
>Oh if you subscribe to those OLD models of this old ass book, you're not a real christian
sounds like some textbook 101 no true scottsman shit.

Theres an article in Tims about how women shouldn't be allowed to speak and a passage in John about how we shouldn't gather in places for prayer and I assume you probably let your girl speak when ever and go to church on sunday as well right?

>Then you think The Universe exists by necessity, and time had no beginning?
I don't agree that time had no beginning, but if it did then by definition it cannot have had a cause because that defies the definition of time. You can't have events before the beginning of time.

If the was a beginning of time, it must have happened by necessity, god or not, because, by definition, there could not have been a cause. Understand?

And also, Noah was probably an old retired sea-dog who knew shipwright or carpentry.

The man saved his animals, and other people's animals while they too refuge higher up, captaining the barge.

>but why not just take the animals on a drive up to higher ground!
Because that would mean-
1. Taking all the feed and stuff along with
2. Risk of the animals running away, which in those days was a HUGE disaster.
The ark could house the animals, tagged, and with feed on board for a month or a little more, without them fleeing. And Noah and his family could handle the livestock for that time without too much trouble.

>People who reject God go to hell
Fear is the oldest tactic in the book. Literally.

Yes, bacteria, if i you do this with pleople it would take a little bit more time considering that we breed like a million times slower

Can nobody answer my question(s)?

All of these answers can easily be answered. Just look up various apologetics sources. I won't waste my time on this shit.

We perceive time as not having a beginning because we can't do that. That's why The Bible is the only book that says time had a beginning. If what you say is so objectively true then how come so many scientists say time had a beginning. How come we still have stars if time forever existed. Eventually all of our stars will go through the cycles as they get smaller and smaller with each cycle until all stars die. Our Sun won't create a new star when it dies.

Good thing we has billions of years then isn't it?

I can agree with you there.

>All of these answers can easily be answered. Just look up various apologetics sources. I won't waste my time on this shit.
Sounds like you don't wanna handle your contradictive book so you just say "fucking google it" because you don't have an answer, you subscribe to a fucking book and your smug ass can't take the heat

I personally don't think so. Guided evolution and stuff like that is just as viable an explanation for breathing life into humans. The same is true for all of the other apologetics.

What if I just don't want to waste my time on obvious answers.

To answer your question I would say no. In my case, I would say the more we learn about the world, the closer we get to God on how He works.

>We perceive time as not having a beginning because we can't do that.
I can do it. It's not hard. Seems likely that time had a beginning at this point, but it's not certain.

>How come we still have stars if time forever existed.
bubble universes. Big bangs happen every few trillion years maybe for infinity.

Still not responding to my point that if time had a beginning then nothing could have happened before it, therefore god could not have "created" it.

>Guided evolution and stuff like that is just as viable an explanation for breathing life into humans.
Except its not guided at all

Theres nothing guided, planned or predictive about evolution

I must misunderstand. I though you said something existing before time. Are you somehow trying to say time popped into existence for no reason?

Everything is preordained. If not, there would be no future.

>oh its obvious
>but I won't state them
>even though what I practice actively contradicts the bible in hundreds of ways

sciencebasedlife.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/biblecontradictions-reasonproject.png

>This is what christcucks actually believe in

something didn't*

>pre ordained
sounds like you don't understand how evolutionary mutations work

godandscience.org/apologetics/bible_contradictions.html
godandscience.org/apologetics/contralinks.html
I can link articles too.

I think there is a misunderstanding, i was trying to tell the guy who said that adam and eve don't disprove evolution that creationism does not allow for the right ammount of time for all those changes because of the 4000 year old earth and all that

>Are you somehow trying to say time popped into existence for no reason?
I'm saying that's obviously what happened, because nothing else is possible. Time exists by necessity. It can't be the result of cause and effect because that only implies within the context of time.

Can you actually point out a flaw in this reasoning?

How does that disprove predetermination?

If that is the case, then at what point do humans become distinct from the rest of homo genus, in so far as their relationship to God? At what point do men cease to be Animals, devoid of the Spirit? And how do we account, that much of the narrative in Genesis makes no sense if mankind is not literally descended from two individuals?

>Subatomic particles cannot be observed
You have no problem with me throwing acid on your face then? protons are atheistic lies after all.

You say time is needed to fuel a cause and effect relationship.
Time being created out of nothing is an effect
You just had an effect without cause because there was no time.

>this article doesn't count because my bible is infallible
>heres some more extraneous interpretations that I can whimsically make up to shoe horn how its totally not a contradiction
>please ignore translative errors those don't count
>Also don't look at evolution of languages as a whole, that doesn't count, old english isn't real
>don't look at text lost in translation, its totally 1:1 I swear

Theres nothing "predetermined" about evolution especially with genetic mutations and inherited traits in phenotype or genotypes

God was the first cause.

>Entering thread not reading all arguments you won't to take part in and instead just repeat questions without answers.
amazon.com/Navigating-Genesis-Scientists-Journey-through/dp/1886653860
Answers here.

>adam and eve existed billions of years ago
wew

You've pretty much failed as a parent.

What proves that?

>please buy my book

checkmate atheists

The dead sea scrolls showed how well The Bible was preserved.
You take your interpretations over my interpretations because fuck knows why.

That's what I'm saying.

but a man can identify as a woman and piss on women's toilet lids at Target.

And who created god?

Proves what? The fact that Genotypes are selected by inherited and separation of DNA? Thats well observed

Why would it be? You're basically accepting a Stone Age Hebrew creation myth as literal fact.

Also never mind that Yahweh was originally a Canaanite deity and that the Hebrews also lifted a lot of their religious concepts from the Sumerians.

But hey, go ahead and let the Jews tell you who you are and let their ideas dominate your life.

The dead sea scrolls are shit you fucking shill

How did kangaroos get to Australia after the flood?

Atheism is redpilled (metaphysical naturalism in a more general sense.)

Gods are just Kangs projected onto the celestial sphere. Literally. Consider the Jade Emperor: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jade_Emperor The Daoist gods: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Pure_Ones which are depicted as kings, and pretty much every God that has ever been dreamt up.

The monotheistic God is called the Lord, the king of kings, Heaven is called a kingdom, and the narratives in the Bible depict him as an absolute monarch.

Only a mindcucked beta faggot worships celestial kings.

If you're butthurt that you won't get the afterlife paradise your daddy promised you, suck it up and get over it faggot. You live, you die, you don't live again. So fucking what?

God exists by necessity. When you begin to view God as needing a cause and therefore can't exists because of infinite regression you effectively disprove all matter with your logic because then you can forever ask what created what. Your argument almost proves God.

How does that prove anything. The dead sea scrolls just show that the meanings are the same with a large amount of time passing.

Evolution tends toward improvement and specialization, with an eye on efficiency. The fish species that could crawl out of the water gains a huge advantage over those stuck in the pond since an all-new world opens up. One without fish-eating predators.
The sea predator that manages to get onto this bountiful new land gains access to a large supply of food and begins to multiply.

It's creatures taking advantage of resources, much like we do now. But we learned how to mold the resources to our whim. Maybe because of evolution, or maybe we were bred superior to other apes by some higher lifeform. We ourselves have bred superior animals from the original stock. The Australian Shepherd is much more intelligent than the wolf it took linage from due to our own breeding techniques. We take advantage of evolutionary mechanisms and speed em up through selective breeding. This cuts the chaff and and creates in 100 years what normally takes 1,000,000 because we remove all the random bullshit from the system and focus on the traits we want.

He was not.

"I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."

-Revelation 22:13

holy shit, are people really retarded enough to compare a Dryopithecus to chimpanzees?

And there are millions all those found as fossils and preserved by time.

>How does that prove anything. The dead sea scrolls just show that the meanings are the same with a large amount of time passing.
>umm it doesn't prove anything
proves that they're erroneous, unreliable and completely false with the geology of the time you fucking shill

I didn't see much discussion about the questions I asked, mostly just an argument about time. And I don't have enough money atm to buy that book.

don't get it

Is she a singer from Europe or something?

Cutie

Whats the meme?

Of course you can't throw acid in my face you dolt.

We know what acid is and what it does. Your question makes the unproven assumption that acid is composed of various atomic particles that can't be observed.

He was false-flagging you autist.

how?

>Your question makes the unproven assumption that acid is composed of various atomic particles that can't be observed.
But we can prove that its composed of various atomic particles

have you never heard of NMR? GC? GMPC? GPC? Have you never studied a lick of general chemistry? Hydrogen is a very well studied atom and it has been observed

We almost did to(and nogs still do) the apes what we did to the protohumans before we learned the importance of conservation.
If we hadn't, the monkeys would be right there with those other dead apes.
Those other apes caught our wrath first since they were smarter and more dangerous then the lesser apes.

>spoon feed me

>The seas were about 400 feet lower 14,000 years ago than they are today.
>And remember, the vast majority of human cities are on the coast, so any major cities that existed 14,000 years ago go swallowed by the oceans, and because the sea rapidly corrodes/erodes anything that isn't maintained within it, there's nothing left of those cities today.

religions were the start of science. People knew that certain behaviors led to certain problems. Granted their hypothesis was limited to "God wills it". They had no microscopes to know why. So assumed it was an invisible god. They helped form a moral code that kept most from doing stupid shit that results in death. And yes, to die for a cause. Which wasn't such a bad thing as it kept Europe from being taken over by primitive sand people until just recently. But it's possible if you don't take the texts literally, that they still point to something we don't yet understand.

Yes. Also look into Grant Jeffrey

>Time being created out of nothing is an effect
Time cannot have been created. How many times do I need to type that?

>You just had an effect without cause because there was no time.
That is exactly my point, there cannot be any cause for the beginning of time by definition. The beginning of time cannot be an effect because there cannot have been a cause. it must exist by necessity alone.

Dead sea scrolls are from just after the time of Christ, like within 50-100 years of the resurrection. This post mentions sea levels 14000 years ago and Gobleki Tepe as if they are somehow in any way related to the dead sea scrolls and discredit them somehow, and is therefore retarded.

creation.com/noah-and-genetics

>creationcucks pretend to understand biochemistry

>>The seas were about 400 feet lower 14,000 years ago than they are today.
>>And remember, the vast majority of human cities are on the coast, so any major cities that existed 14,000 years ago go swallowed by the oceans, and because the sea rapidly corrodes/erodes anything that isn't maintained within it, there's nothing left of those cities today.
How does that disprove the dead sea scrolls.

this thread is nuts

This is exactly the kind of shit I'm talking about. How can it be any more obvious that gods are just rulers in the sky?

If time wasn't created then that means it always existed. Are you denying time had a beginning?

>erroneous, and completely unreliable with suggesting anything about the time

>guise the ark was totally real, these fucking papyrus shit said it happened

People will still model their lives around those franchises though.

>Your question makes the unproven assumption that acid is composed of various atomic particles that can't be observed.
>Unproven
A leaf.

DEUS VULT

The dead sea scrolls show how after so much time The Bible has been perfectly maintained without a different meaning.

And something similar will likely happen again. Mount Yellowstone is just waiting to pop.

20,000 years from now-
"Did you know class, there was a subspecies of humans with dark skin in Africa? They were called "Negroids" which means "black people".
Unfortunately, we now know through records they were unable to adapt after the great eruption of Mt.Yellowstone 18,000 years ago, and thus went extinct. "

>smaller than the wavelengths of light we see with
>observable

To be clear, I'm accept the existence of atoms as fact and I did take university level chemistry, I just don't think you should have acid thrown in your face for questioning prevailing knowledge.

>no guys we totally know how they're interpreted
>theres no language barrier, impossible to lose anything in translation and we totally understand the context of A FUCKING BOOK

>If time wasn't created then that means it always existed.
no it doesn't. How fucking thick are you.

Let's start of the basics.

You can't "create" something unless time exists. Can we agree on that much?

thats bullshit and you know it
quit lying to yourself

>To be clear, I'm accept the existence of atoms as fact and I did take university level chemistry, I just don't think you should have acid thrown in your face for questioning prevailing knowledge.
That is literally observing atomic ions

Thats literally how you observe things that are so small normal visible light patterns don't touch them, so you have to use smaller wave lengths of light like x-rays or ultraviolet rays to observe them

There are entire libraries dedicated to NMR study, each individual atom and compound has its own unique spectra

>the Yellowstone happening is 2000 years away

Seeing as the all the languages the early gospels were written in are either intact or closely related to currently existing languages, and we have this cool thing called history that allows us to interpret things, yeah we can understand what a document from roughly 2000 years ago means.

Why are you so buttmad?

>If time wasn't created then that means it always existed.
>no it doesn't. How fucking thick are you.
So how could something come to being without it being created even without intelligent design.

We translate a book and see that translation are virtually identical to out modern translations.

If you mean our perception of what the word "create" implies, then sure.

our*

That was fascinating thank you

>indirect observation is what people mean when they say "observation"

This is why philosophy and science don't get along. Scientists are bad at language and philosophers are autisticly precise about it.

>yea guys its totally infallible
>we just know shit because muh history and stuff
Nigger we're still interpreting different metaphor and hyperbole that shakespear wrote, hell Beowulf is still a largely studied anglo-saxon text and tons of interpretations spur off it. You're a naive fuck to think that shit isn't lost in translation

>So how could something come to being without it being created
It didn't. Read what I'm typing. Again, answer this question first since this all seems a bit much for you:

You can't "create" something unless time exists. Can we agree on that much?

Jesus has no child because he was a faggot.

Global warming will destroy the equatorial and tropical countries' ability to produce food. Europe, the U.S., and China will have to "push back" raiding hoardes of hundreds of millions of starving browns.

youtube.com/watch?v=F4OhXQTMOEc
>inb4 "muh bachelors degree"

Philosophy is a cherrypicking retarded subject. NMR is a direct way of observing atomic particles. Your philosophy shit with "well if you don't see it with your naked eye it might not be there" doesn't fucking apply to modern chemistry

Could be. That's not too far off.
And only those with the ability to both conduct proper agriculture AND proper engineering are going to survive.
Hopefully it does happen soon, before we can make a space-ark and save those worthless nogs. Euros and Gooks can survive a Yellowstone without an ark. It'll be really nasty, but we're engineers.
THEY, the nogs, are hunter-stealers.

Don't worry, making a space-ark that billions of people can survive on is so far outside our capabilities that it's a magical fantasy. It isn't going to happen before shit gets real, either via a zupervolcano or (more likely) climate change. Then race war will be a necessity.

>We translate a book and see that translation are virtually identical to out modern translations.

if you had any experience in translating you would know that is just not true
translating more often then not includes altering the text to suit the readers understandings
over a 2000 years these small changes add up, altering it beyond recognition

for instance
Adam in hebrew means "man" and Eva (or Eve whatever you call it) means mother
think about how much the meaning of genesis would change if the translation different

hebrew is especially fucked up since pronounciations of certian words need to be passed down orally, so some are simply forgoten
thats how you get the yahweh vs jehova crap

>Your philosophy shit with "well if you don't see it with your naked eye it might not be there" doesn't fucking apply to modern chemistry

That would be perfectly fine if you'd admit it, but you want conflate direct and indirect observations because that allows you to maintain discursive control over any and all interpretation of data arising from indirect observation of phenomena for which sense data doesn't (and can't) exist.

We've been dealing with these sorts of dishonest language tricks from religious people for a lot longer than you've been playing with magnets and pulsing shit with radio waves.

youtube.com/watch?v=F0-NPPIeeRk

Laminin

>if you had any experience in translating you would know that is just not true
That's why the dead sea scrolls are interesting.

Universalism

>where are (...) the between species

In what sense is NMR indirect? Genuinely curious

>You can't "create" something unless time exists. Can we agree on that much?
No. Time can be created without time by a force that exists by necessity.

If something like that exists then i doubt it wold have either will or purpose

>>yea guys its totally infallible

Never said any such thing.

>>we just know shit because muh history and stuff

You should really submit that brilliant thesis for publication.

>Nigger we're still interpreting different metaphor and hyperbole that shakespear wrote

Yes, but some interpretations are far more spurious than others and unsupported by knowledge of the contemporary use of language. And we understand the language it's written in., from which point we can interpret.

>hell Beowulf is still a largely studied anglo-saxon text and tons of interpretations spur off it.

Once again, we have the linguistic knowledge to know which interpretations are closer to original meanings than others.

> You're a naive fuck to think that shit isn't lost in translation

So early interpretation was the problem, but now it's translation? Do you even know the difference between the two? Like I said, we have enough linguistic knowledge to competently derive meaning from the Dead Sea Scrolls. Same with your previous two examples, which only served to undermine your case.

Do you even hermeneutics, bro?

>Hell I can influence any feeling you have, from fear and anger to joy and comfort using JUST chemicals

>Time can be created
You realise that "creation" is an event right?
You realise "events" are completely dependant on the presence of time right?

Trying to define events without time is like trying to define a circle with less than 2 dimensions.

From my understanding, you're observing the radio frequencies outputted from creating a magnetic field with known properties and then running a known input frequency through an unknown sample.

You're not observing the sample directly, you're observing its causal impact on the radio waves. It's a very small difference, but it's an important one.

i see.

So....

Is observing stars through a telescope direct or indirect? Because you are seeing them through a big digital camera these days.

creation is an ocurrence. God created time as our first observable occurence.

Daily reminder that religion of any kind is the ultimate bluepill. I'll never understand why there are so many christcucks on this board claiming to be redpilled.

>Is observing stars through a telescope direct or indirect?

Direct, because you're not performing all sorts of fuckery with the light waves and then observing the effects of said fuckery. You're just looking at the light waves as they travel through space.

Please answer the questions.

Is "creation" an event?

Do you realise an "occurrence" is an event?

Please answer both of these.

Is the CMOS not fuckery with the light? What about all that shit telescopes have these days for removing atmospheric distortions?