Is 'Breaking bad', the proof of how stupendously good a TV show or as a matter of fact, any medium of media can get...

No, because plenty of liberal shows are undeniably great.

A Fucking

The only bad writing was Skylar at times. Other then that pretty good.

Not really. I thought it was pro-drug because you could relate to Walter so much. They weren't making it look bad.

You're supposed to relate, it's supposed to show your avarice and greed and undo and destroy your family.

If they made Walt super evil right out of the gate, it wouldn't show how anyone could succumb to the siren song of mammon.

Eh? it's a good show, but it's not great. There are plenty better.

Are you dumb? The entire point of BB is that you love the people you grow to hate and you hate the people you grow to love.

Walt's wife is a complete bitch but if you aren't retarded you'll grow to see she was pretty much justified in everything she did and was a good person through and through. It's hard to deny our own impression enough to change opinion, but this is just objective truth.

Same thing with Hank.

Walt, while likable, is a shitty person and by the end completely unrelatable. He even outright states this.

I'm pretty sure that Vince is disappointed in everyone for worshiping Walt and went out of his way to establish that Walt was just a shitty guy in the last season.

What are you talking about
It was socialist medicine propaganda
They even used Walter to push it

>Skyler
>Justified
>Infidelity, not coming clean to Hank, smoking while pregnant, Sending those goons to fuck up her boss
>Justified

Season 2 god tier, season 3 onwards decent but way to much filler

The only thing that might have been unreasonable would be smoking while pregnant, which I don't even remember.

Why even add the rest? Yeah, all of that is within moral reason and she didn't send goons to kick Ted's ass. They didn't even kick his ass, he kicked his own ass.

How is her not turning in a massive drug kingpin who at that point had demonstrated he had no moral fibre left justified?

And yes, she did smoke while pregnant. It was back in like season 1 or 2.

Not the way I saw it. I understand what you're getting at but I've never hated Walter. In fact I've always wanted him to succeed.

People worship Walt because although he's shitty, we're all shitty. The fact that he's shitty doesn't change the fact the story was based on drugs.

I related to him all the way up to the end and I'm sure a lot of people were that way, but maybe I'm fucked up.

>There are plenty better

name them please
I need some time filler in my life

other than the first few seasons of Dexter which Ive watched multiple times

The writing was absolute garbage.

I could go on about this for days but Cred Forums will gladly remind you of the countless times BB betrayed its characters to advance an artificial narrative arc.

Read a book for a change and get some perspective, young poo-in-loo.

season 4 ending was topper than tip-top notch

Yep.

Vince himself is actually a conservative, from Virginia. And guess what, in the final season of Breaking Bad the writers had the nazi characters say things that Vince had said in the writers room before, as a gag on him being so fucking conservative. I love it.

I'm also like the biggest breaking bad faggot ever, seen it 20 times and its probably my favorite show, so I dunno, Im gay for this shit, but I would say that it is VERY good because the people who make it are not trying to instill any kind of agenda. It's just fucking smart as fuck. And of course, the world is displays is not one the liberals would approve of, top kek.
"I just do the jew thing for the home boys, they all love a pipe hitting member of the tribe so to speak" - lawyer
"oh, and careful around the south american. dirty, dirty people" - mexican

>How is her not turning in a massive drug kingpin who at that point had demonstrated he had no moral fibre left justified?

The fact that it was the father of her child and would irredeemably destroy the image of everyone in the family?

Are you legit retarded?

Well yeah, everyone is shitty, in real life and in Breaking Bad.

The issue with Walt is that he is least likely among anybody in the show for the ends to justify the means.

He just did far too much wrong for it to ever be reconciled, and he accepts that by the end.

try these:
Peaky Blinders
Last Kingdom

Shouldn't a "good show" hold up on repeated viewings? Because BB doesn't. I would call it an excellent thriller because it is one hell of a ride when you don't know what's gonna happen next. But when you do....

Please post examples.

Walt was going to go down anyway. The "image of the family" isn't as important as stopping someone who has no qualms about ordering murders. He was ready to frame Hank for God's sake.

>Cheating
>being an emotional twat for most of the show, pulling middle-school tier silent treatments and "i'm fine" routines instead of talking about the fucking issue
>Giving the money walt risked his life for that was meant for their children and his chemo to her fucking lover
>FUCKING TURKEY BACON
No, not everything she did was justified.
Saying "walt is a shitty person" is a gross oversimplification, and it misses the ACTUAL point of the show. Sure, by season 4 he did some pretty unjustifiable shit, and his motives changed from noble to deplorable. But that's the point, he was pushed that far by a ridiculous set of circumstances.
Overqualified, disrespected high school chem teacher, robbed of his stake in a multi-million dollar business. Disabled son, another unplanned pregnancy, fucking brain cancer. At the beginning, he was just a guy in a shitty situation who decided to use his few remaining months to give his family the financial security he wouldn't be able to provide. Then he just gets rolled down a slippery slope of crime until, by the end, even his motives have changed. His wife was a mega cunt, and everyone and their mother tried to fuck him over/kill him at some point. That's why he turned into the awful person you see in season 4/early season 5. But the series ends with him coming out of hiding, risking his life and freedom to get his money to his family even though they all hate him, and save his partner. Not that this redeems him for the horrendous shit he did.

What would you recommend as something that does not betray the evolution of its characters? Could be both books and movies.

It is an exceptional show on every single level. It has incredible replay value, like any fantastic film. Just because you know the end doesn't meant you can't appreciate the complexity and exacting expertise of a harrowing tale, that youve heard once before. Not a problem. For me the show keeps getting better as I continue to explore the fucking INCREDIBLE job they did at writing a complex set of characters with incredibly meaningful dynamics being played off between them. Its also VERY good drama, and its actually also VERY good black comedy

>I could go on for days
No, just for five minutes is good enough.

Go on, kimchi.

>someone on Cred Forums thinks this, so it must be true
Most of Cred Forums's interest boards are just hipster circlejerks where they spend all day trying to hate whatever is popular within that interest.

Name one instance.

I watched it all the way through about 5 times. The story telling does hold up on repeat viewings. Stop memeing, Cred Forums is filled with faggots who love to shit on everything for being "decent but not good enough, muh high art."

> need moar people incarcerated because prisons are only profitable with at least 80% fill rate at all times
> make pro drug movies and shows

Coincidence?

I SAID GO ON KIMCHI OH OR DO YOU JUST LIKE TO SHIT ON THINGS AND THEN NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO BACK IT UP
SEJONG WOULD BE FUCKING ASHAMED, YOU FUCKING RETARDED SOJU

Well i wouldnt say breaking bad is pro drug, if thats the point youre making

prisons are one of the few good things the jews have given us 2bh

crime is an IQ test

My little pony friendship is magic, not meming

It's not that Wales actions aren't able to be sympathized with, it just shouldn't cine as a surprise that Skyler didn't accept it as an option. All the cunty behavior and nasty things she did are a method to make Walt leave her, also reasonable and less morally questionable by far than Walt's actions, regardless of Walt's intentions or situation.

then i feel sorry for you

I'd say until the very end it is. And I know guys who would never have started with meth if not for the fascination they got from the show.

Lately there's also an astounding amount of other shows which are outright glamorizing drug and gangsta culture.

Cabal is over.

Praise KEK!

MEMES over MATTER!

Sorry for typos

It's not really a writers fault if a person is so fucking dumb they see a cautionary tale and think that's a life they want.

I won't say that other shows aren't glamorizing crime and gangsta culture, but c'mon. Anyone smokes meth because of breaking bad is just retarded, not because of a show's agenda or meaning. Every step of the way and in every episode, drugs = loss of life, loss of self-esteem, loss of quality of life, and evil

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What a fag!

Twin Peaks remains the best show ever made.

Sopranos
Mad Men

Mad Men does the racism of the era in a very understated way, it's good, it's only mildly relevant to the plot in a few episodes.

all in all they're both amazing character studies with a solid plot, top tier cinematography, and consistently good dialogue

>hank goes to take a big fat poo in loo
>happens to find walt's dumbass book on the toilet and figures everything out

ruined the fucking show for me

I get your point about the cautionary tale, of course. But shows like Breaking Bad and Narcos have plenty scenes which paint that kind of life as "cool" as long as you can get away with it. Power, loads of cash, luxurious lifestyle. Of course ultimately they get caught or killed, can't have the bad guys winning. So that's my point.

Some people just extract from it what they want to see and believe, see my argument above. And when you look at shows like Time Travelling Bong and other stoner movies/shows which don't ever show the downsides, there's that.

lol, neither of those are better. Sopranos isnt 'beneath' breaking bad, but I would say mad men is

also fuck you mad men is mega blue pillled. i watched the show with my liberal bernie voting father and even HE said "wtf thats not how shit was back then" in regards to how racist, sexist and patriarchal it was.

Wanna explain why

>time travelling bong
you mean dr.who?

Literally 3 seconds of Google provides the following names as producers:

Thomas Schnauz
Peter Gould
Melissa Bernstein

Dumb nigger thinks his fayfay teebee isn't Jewish. How dumb can a dumb nigger be.

POO IN LOO PAJEET
shit show. no wonder you like it

kek

Vince literally called people who dislike Skyler misogynists.

Watch The Wire.
Makes Breaking Bad look stupid.

POO IN LOO

Have watched. BB is still better.

>muh opinions an shiiieeeeet

I actually think it's better on subsequent viewings because you notice lots of little things. Plus in many ways, knowing the ending of a story makes the journey more interesting.

but it happened as a consequence of prior events

Literally dumber then every animal who shits away from it's habitation.

Source on all that?

i can go with that
BB was the most thrilled i've ever been watching a movie or a TV show, some of the scenes (train robbery, jesse confronting walt with the gun) were so tense my heart was racing, something i never got from a show before

what specifically about mad men was blue pilled?

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This show is so overrated along with everything else on AMC except Mad Men.

Breaking Bad is trash, those last few seasons we absolute horseshit and rushed to shit. The first few seasons were good, some of the better TV out there, but as a whole it's terrible tail detracts from it.

it was deus ex machina executed in the shittiest, most contrived way possible

oh yeah walt's outta the business everything's happy zappy OH WAIT his brother in law had to go take a big grumpy dumpy and just so happened to find a book on the shitter that tied everything together

nope can't have hank intelligently putting the pieces together like they built up the whole show (although look i get it he wouldn't have 100% been able to piece everything together had it not been for his prior investigations and suspicions), it took his brother in law's bowel movements and a conveniently placed book on the porcelain throne to fucking crack the code on the great drug kingpin heisenberg

i was so hyped up the whole show for when hank would finally figure out who walt really was, and that moment was such a god damn let down

LEAF

listen to the breaking bad insider podcast, every episode has at the very least Vince and his editor, with other guests coming in and out. The shit Im talking about with the nazis is in the final 8 episodes, probably somewhere episode 3 to 6, somewhere in there, but I couldnt tell you which one exactly off the top of my head. whichever episode the nazi remarks "You see these kids riding around on bikes with these damn helmets? I should knock it off their head, for their damn sake. It's a nanny state, thats what it is"

You sound fucking autistic.

To me the first episode and the episode with the fly in the meth lab were absolute masterpieces. Fucking stellar performances as well

But S4 is GOAT, S2 was trash by comparison. S1 was pretty good mostly for going in a very unexpected direction in the first 3 episodes.

S5 was dank as fuck too, what are you talking about

>How do we fix the media?
Netflix and other streaming only networks

Cable and FTA/traditional TV is dead

Thats why ALL of HBO's new shows suck cock especially GoT

mad men is feminist propoganda

It's not deus ex machina if they've been building up towards it all series long, dipshit. it's not like he found a signed picture of Gale that read "To my friend Walter H. White, who i cooked illegal crystal methamphetamine with." The book was something that had been placed their moths prior. The whole series to that point involved Hank coming near stumbling onto the truth, but not quite finding it out because he had no suspicion that the most vanilla guy he knows was a fucking kingpin. Have you never pieced together something you didn't know because a piece of new evidence reminded you of all the cues you missed earlier?

i think she's a pretty realistic depiction of a woman:

nags, acts like a wet blanket and complains like a cunt about everything

Breaking Bad is honestly the best TV show ever made imo

>Deus ex nazi bikers out of nowhere
>no ending with a huge shitfight on the mexicunt boarder as alluded with the s3 s4 gus fring connection
Instead they forget mexicrap exists and make it gayass textbook bikies.

Todd was the only decently realized character from that whole stupid arc.

It felt rushed and annoying.

Also we never find out what happens to jesse and instead we get better bored saul which i dropped in s2

I remember a scene where kids are running through a house being rowdy and an adult who wasn't the child's parent grabs them by the arm and spanks them before sending them off, and the other adult characters are like cool with it. He said that shit was retarded. He also didn't really get where the whole tone of the show was coming from, the way the characters were portayed as all super-cool tough mysognist types, he said that element was there but he just said, nah, this show is cartoony, it's too over the top.

that being said I always liked it, but I was never really crazy for it, especially as it went on and on. But again I think Im kinda hard to impress. Breaking Bad was one very fluid interconnected story, and it had that dynamic slooooow build up TO EXTREME FUCKING SHIT OH MY FUCKING GOD and back down to slooooow build up whch really gets me off in shows, so i dunno

Yep, most non-degenerate films are being made by alternative streaming services to whose productions actually have plot and meaning rather than shoehorning a nigger into a stormtrooper outfit with a strong womyn lead that magically surpasses a Luke within the span of 10 minutes with no training REEEEEEEEEEE

That would be Narcos

>he didn't like S6

God you faggots suck, the only stupid part was Arya surviving a mortal wound to the gut because the actress was secretly the world's greatest doctor and makes healing Zelda soup. It was still entertaining as hell.

Yeah only thing I have to add to that is that Walter didn't think about the fact that there was evidence in the book and placed in his bathroom as almost a victorious sort of salute to Gale, almost like pissing on his grave. In the inside podcast Vince said that because it was in a way Gale who ultimately revealed Walter to Hank, it was his own karmic way of getting revenge

Yeah i thought TFA would be rubbish and the new spinoff will be even worse.

i never got into EU but from what ive heard u nerds say on here its not worth it.

ill binge them in a couple of years when the hype and 1000x directors releases come out on 4k with decent bitrate x265 non hdr meme
GoT was so hilariously uneven from s2-s3 it was barely worth watching.

From a technical standpoint it was all over the place

S4 was good S5 was crap and S6 is ok

I'll admit it's been awhile since I've seen the series, but once WW made it legit and actually had power it was a lot less interesting, those humble beginnings and rookie mistakes made BB interesting and somewhat relatable but once it just became super meth dungeon and "muh power, muh knocking" it felt like shark jumping territory. Some other poster is already raging about Hank only finding out by shitting so I'll let him describe that but the scene where the truck Hank is hiding behind saves him from a small militias worth of fire was bullshit, how convoluted WW machine gun scheme was bullshit, his son thinking he was cool af for having a gambling addiction but literally Hitler for being a meth dealer was bullshit, ect. I can respect people's opinions who enjoyed it but only if they acknowledge its flaws instead of going "lol those don't matter omg it's teh best show ever"

just because he eventually found the book doesn't mean the series "built up" to it

there was not some intricate series of events that lead to him plumping his rump on the cold rim of the toilet and finding the book, it simply happened as it happened

it was introduced as an element then forgotten about for a while, then reintroduced out of the blue out of nowhere as a plot device to solve an unsolvable problem and continue the story that was "dead-ending" at that point

hence, deus ex machina

and although, yes, the series DID build up to him eventually discovering walt and putting the pieces together, it didn't necessarily build up to the book discovery in and of itself

i just thought the way it was handled was contrived and disappointing, i would have much preferred him finding out about walt in just about any other way

>it's not like he found a signed picture of Gale that read "To my friend Walter H. White, who i cooked illegal crystal methamphetamine with."

he fucking might as well have

yeah i mean, in all fairness, i guess it wasn't TOTALLY out of the blue in the regards that it was sort of a testament to walt's arrogance getting the best of him in the end, but nonetheless, i didnt like the execution

>Deus ex nazi bikers out of nowhere
>no ending with a huge shitfight on the mexicunt boarder as alluded with the s3 s4 gus fring connection

what connection was that again? I dont really know what point youre trying to make here

>Todd was the only decently realized character from that whole stupid arc.

He was the best character that's for sure, but the nazis were still very memorable and had a lot of personality, goes a long way for basically "stock" villains. They weren't the real bad guys of the season, anyway. Walter was, he's the final bad boss of the final season, and the nazis are basically an extension of Walt, or rather, his actions. I mean, you see how you draw these lines where the writers tried to bs blur them? Yeah the nazis are the final characters who must be killed, but why? Because they killed Hank, okay, why did they kill Hank? Because Walter told the nazis to come. I could keep pulling at this string but its essentially endless.

>It felt rushed and annoying.
Nah, it didn't, I won't lie in saying that in the final eight episodes the mechanics of the show weren't the most visible, stuff like the risen being for Lydia because who the fuck else is gonna be for, but it was still a brilliant wrap up and very satisfying.

>Also we never find out what happens to jesse

We dont need to know what happened the Jeese, the story is over, let your imagination run wild, sometimes thats a good way to leave things.

>and instead we get better bored saul which i dropped in s2

lol pleb. lemme know what you think of season 3, buddy. right here, bitch, right here

This thread is shit.

Filled with too many people nitpicking minor shit and blowing it out of proportion to act as if it is in some way bad writing, like Pro tip guys, if you're such an autistic faggot that you're unable to suspend disbelief for anything but your little Japanese animes then fiction isn't for you.

How the fuck does Walt Jr.'s approval of gambling but disapproval of the Heisenberg shit not makes sense?
The story he heard about gambling was basically
>Your dad used his high intelligence to win a dick ton of money in a completely legal fashion that involved lots of risk and skill
And the Heisenberg shit was
>Your dad makes and sells poison to junkies and murders anyone who gets in his way, up to and including your beloved uncle you've known your entire life
Makes perfect sense to me.
And as for the cars vs. bullets thing, those two circumstances are wildly different. The nazis all had concealable handguns, and Hank was hiding behind a whole truck. Walt's gun was a heavy machine gun, and he only had to shoot through one side of a trunk of a regular car, and a thin wall. I found it hard to believe that it somehow gunned down the entire room and nobody was able to get down/run out of the room/shoot walt in the meantime. But as it relates to Hank's shootout, there's way too much difference between the circumstances to make a parallel.

The story was fantastical, I admit that freely. Especially the sequences in the last 8 episodes. It doesn't even matter, To'hajjilee and Ozymandias were still the two best episodes in the whole show. Though like someone else said the fly episode was god tier too. I can forgive the flaws because the high points are untouched by any other show I've watched.

Walter was always a rookie and was always making rookie fucking stupid mistakes right up until the last episodes.

"Saul, we're gonna hire hit men to kill Jack's gang!"

this is where the over all arch and character in Better Call Saul will be different. Walter/Jesse only worked together for a year in BB, they were stupid fucking morons the whole time.

Jimmy/Mike already have a life in the streets and understanding criminal world before the start of the show, and by the end of the show will have been members of the ABQ underworld for almost ten years, veterans.

desu i love breaking bad threads on Cred Forums. its always the same thing, fucking edgy faggots who've never written a thing in their life trying to criticize it and watching them get BTFO

Have you guys recently tried sitting through one episode of an ABC show? Holy fuck it's literally always a dumb or hateful white guy and some extremely smart yet patient google.

Honestly even seeing googles in some kind of high tech job takes me out of the experience lol

I cant stand most televsion, it's not art, it's barely even entertainment, it's just loud propaganda.

Also, the way Breaking Bad begins, it really begins like it's slowly introducing you to it's world, it starts off without any words, just the desert, then the RV comes racing past and we're in this crazy situation, and then Walter comes out and speaks to the digital camcorder, and the show then starts its flash back to how this all came to be, like a good story

Ive tried getting into some shows lately but its insane how right from the first moment they just expect you to be on board. Like Ive seen shows where it just STARTS, you guys know what i mean?

no cuz I don't have ADHD

Im saying I like shows that DO require patience.

BITCH
heh get it guys

>Forces walt out

He sold his own share. Willingly. And ran out on his gf at the time.

Walt made his own grave with Grey Matter.

hahaha you're deluded
there's no fucking philosophy and the symbolism is trash tier

walter is an amoral psycho you dumbpoo

the best parts of breaking bad are mostly lifted out of the Wire

goddamn one sure way to tell low iq (sub 140) is if they like Breaking Bad