Is this not the logical conclusion to humanity? Are humans just incapable of sustainable prosperity?
Struggle is what creates strong humans - it's nature's way. But then these strong humans attempt create a world without struggle, trying to remove the very things that made them strong in the first place.
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That's pretty much Marxism in a nutshell
By recognizing this pattern and acting to correct it in a population, the cycle can be broken.
Too bad that would take a united community acting for the betterment of all.
Seems like the latter situation would have to be achieved before the former.
WOW IT'S ALMOST AS IF NATURE IS CYCLICAL, LIKE SOMETHINGS LIKE JUST REPEAT OVER AND OVER LIKE A WHEEL SPINNING THROUGH TIME AND SPACE, MAYBE SOME KIND OF ADVANCED BIG WHEEL DRAWING FORCES INTO IT AS PERMITS ITS WHEEL-CALIBER. AND MAYBE WE CAN BREAK THE WHEEL SAMSARA, MAYBE GO INTO SPACE?
>a united community acting for the betterment of all
Then... national socialism is truly the only answer isn't it?
Hitler ruined the only chance humanity ever had.
Take that line of thought a little further..
What he described was Marxism you retard
YES!
How does that not also describe Hitler's nazism?
I think most of the western world is at stage 4, but not the whole world - as implies - isn't. All the people in the shitholes, who're determined to do better, potentially can get themselves some good times.
I wonder if (they can't shoot all, but it'd need all) and/or how long it'll take for some revolutions in for let's say China, improving the average life and stuff.
My Point: The soft people will lose to the tough people in a rat race, if their majority has loosened up to much. Considering the low birth rates and the sick immigration policies, we will see some hard times not so soon. However, this is perspective: Others might see those a good times.
therefore society must always be harsh and exacting even in times of prosperity so weakness does not grow
>mfw Cred Forums has been toughening up those who want to
>our bantz make good times in our board
We've seemed to experience a net growth from the last cycle, I just hope I get to see the next golden age.
>affirmative action
>feminism
>mass asylees
>degenerates
>immature, incompetent academic world
>consumerism
I could go on. We're doing the exact opposite and nurturing weaknesses wherever we can. We're fucking ourselves. Taking things for granted which are not.
One thing that may run against this is technological development, but at one point they'll stop canceling out. And, to be honest, it's what the people deserve. The majority is made of idiots anyway, if the circumstances are not forcing them not to be ... else Darwin-Award.
The whole thing also remembers me of a family ventures, where the first generation(s) are building, the second generation(s) are expanding the third ones burning it up.
OP here, that's the point. Humans seem to simultaneously need and hate suffering.
In the US the generations that suffered the most - the greatest generation and the silent generation - raised the boomers, hippies, and Marxists.
Which is why it is crucial for tradition to be passed down from generation to generation, and have children embody that tradition, to make sure it lasts. Have them understand it, know it, follow it, and revere it.
Generally Post World War II was prosperous - in the west more so than in the east I suppose.
It continually is going down since the ... 70s? There's also that declining female happiness thing, negatively correlated with all the progressivity and emancipation.
Suffering is necessary for maturing and growing, it makes people stick together. The lack of pressure lowers the incentives for such. Also, you will only truely value good things when you're coming from shit, i. e. being spoiled or spoiling children is a sin.
... and then when you think about those idiot parents raising the next generation of self important narcists whose main strength will be emotional intelligence. In the long term, if things go the way they are going. That'll do good for the GDP.
Besides family ventures, this also remembers me of empires. Wasn't the average lifetime of an empire like 200 years? The USA are like 240, aren't they?
The modern world is extremely similiar to Rome. The current Europe is in many ways the descendant of the Western Roman Empire ... and yada yada.
Let's say the western world drowns in the shit it is stuffing itself with. Who'll be the next empire? Russia or China?
That's why we fucked ourselves with the whole smug atheism shit.
first three are results of sustained struggles, degeneracy is subjective, you have no authority to comment on academia, and consumerism is what paid for your computer or phone, hans, bc no consumerism = no spending => no salary for your mum and dad to to buy you either, or both.
>Russia or China?
Russia has sub-replacement birthrates already and never even reached Western levels of prosperity.
China probably won't reach Western levels of prosperity for all citizens, but there may be no limit to its power. That's the power of traditional values.
No, Hitler just proved yet again that we'll destroy ourselves before we accept the hard truths of the world. The only ones ruining anything were the allies that couldn't stand other countries doing precisely the same things they had done a few decades prior.
Hitler is the reason national socialism will forever be associated with genocide and war instead of family, community, and prosperity.
Results of sustained struggles? Really? That only applies roughly to feminism decades ago.
>Affirmative Action
... which is positive discrimination and made matters worse for minorities. Struggle? No.
People are being judged by their cover, not their inside.
>Feminism
Yes and no. In some regards, we have emancipation with special rights (which is no emancipation), and so on.
>Mass asylees
Are the results of war and shitty economic situations. Those people are mixed of cowards and people forced out of their burning houses.
>degeneracy is subjective
No, it isn't. People are becoming dumber on average, people are behaving more degenerate and selfish, [...]. Or tell me where I left the realm of objectivity precisely.
>no authority to comment on academia
Do I? Do you? Look at the US' education system and tell me that with a straight face.
>consumerism
>your things
That's neither were I aimed at nor where this ends. The mindless orgy that happens in malls, the needless pursaches, that create those financial bubbles, the waste of recources, etc.
The way we consume, we do not try to keep or fix things and that translates also into the everyday behaviour. It's just easier this way, why bother? That's where I'm pointing at, not technological advances we profit from.
China has the grand advantage of good human resources, too. People can read and talk properly, family's important, you need to provide, not being able to deal with problems is inhonorable, so you get your shit downe.
Also, there're those gigantic Dollar reserves they must have by now ...
>China has the grand advantage of good human resources, too. People can read and talk properly, family's important, you need to provide, not being able to deal with problems is inhonorable, so you get your shit downe.
Only catch is that they'll by and large never have the quality of life Western nations have enjoyed. However, if this thread is correct, that's the exact reason the sky is the limit for that country. They'll never get complacent as we have.
real problem will always be the bottom classes being retards.
well, family, community, and prosperity are values not appreciated in our culture.
Yeah, that's what I talked of in .
China doesn't have things like worker rights and unions and stuff. Works good for the GDP when you expropriate the costliest resource and they don't bite.
I guarantee you, in the next 200 years revolutions are bound to happen. As many are still stuck in their own industrial revolution - or not yet even there / or allowed to by the others, like Africa - the thing with fraternity, equality and liberty the French let some heads roll in the end of the 18th century far from ever happened outside of the western world. Well, same with the enlightment. That stuff's bound to happen, I don't thing it's the neanderthal DNA in Europeans that triggered it.
Noteworthy at this point, is, that again, the USA themselves have discarded many of those values, although they were so important to the founding fathers ... the whole "In God we Trust" bullshit for example.
tl;dr They will get complacent. They only need to be at the top long enough, too.