Is there any reason for a male to get married in Western society today?

As a man whom was married (and divorced) once, I say hell no.
The first 6-12 months of dating a girl is the best it'll ever get

Was there ever a reason?

get out

Women act up to the extent that the man is weak. The man is the leader, whatever bad happens is his fault.

how was it? why did you get divorced if you don't mine me asking?

I think having kids is a VERY good reason right now, I'd love to raise kids. I have a dog right now and it's very chill to have a loyal companion, would be even cooler to have a fucking kid

>muh real men can handle a Modern Womyn

Western society is set up to benefit women and be harder on men. Your ideas are very specific to Cred Forums and people who have life experience know better than to follow them.

dont date club whores
dont date liberals
dont date non-religious
dont date someone who believes in premarital sex

yea but you shouldn't have to treat women like some fucking dog that you have to train b/c you can't talk to them, they're human beings who you can communicate with and rationalize with on some at least basic level

Promotion period

No, women are animals and you have to treat them as such if you want the relationship to be fine.

If you want loyalty get a dog otherwise don't expect anything like that from women ever.

I have a dog and he's great but I can't fuck him or make him bear my children

I want to further my lineage, simple enough. It's my goal to reach my biological imperative of procreation and I am planning on 2-3 kids. At least one being a male. I understand the hardships of marriage in (((the current year))), but that shouldn't stop me from finding a nice, God-fearing woman.

this pretty much, don't date whores and don't put your dick in crazy. Also if you start dating a home wrecker or someone you knew cheated in the past then its your own damn fault if the relationship falls apart in the future. This is simple logic

I know this will sound like a tired meme but keep trying to date. You can (I won't say will) find someone.

I gave up for a few years, then jumped back into the dating world and really slogged through awful relationships and poor date choices.

Then I found my gf. Intelligent, pretty, sweet, virgin, and shares the same values as me.

Now we're talking about marriage and building a life together. I'm hardly ever on Cred Forums at all anymore.

If I'd have given up, I don't think I'd have ever met her.

So while it may seem like things suck, there might be a girl out there waiting for you.

That is some grade A pussy right there, I would wife that so fast I wouldn't be thinking about the bitter divorce and custody battle that will inevitably happen a few years down the line.

This.

You gotta understand that in the modern feminist world, women have the upper hand to an absurd degree. As a man, you don't stand a chance at all if you play fair.

What's the only way to beat the enemy who has the upper hand?

Guerilla warfare. Strike and retreat. Ambush and get the fuck outta there.

Do not engage head on with a woman, and do not engage in a long conflict, always keep it short and sweet and get the fuck out.

>The man is the leader

Oh boy, how wrong you are.

how did you find her though man? through what channels did you find good women? best of luck to you

No there is no reason.

Red pill: She's just like all the rest, she is just fooled you better than the others.

>I have a dog and he's great but I can't fuck him

You can if you move to Canada

No.

Imagine having like 8 kidws, each with their own dog. that'd be so fun. you'd come home after a long day at work and your kids would all pile up on you and you'd get to play for a few hours and teach them some cool junk.

Marriage was an institution to protect women in society.

No man has ever needed marriage.

That's not to say it's complete shit, either, of course.

Pretty much by chance. Small town, fairly sheltered girl.

Sad thing is so many folks on Cred Forums are too jaded to believe there's anyone out there for them that they project like this guy: These days you can't even try to reassure people without some of them insisting everything is shit.

Being a whore Is part of the normal social behavior and what is expected of women now.

You guys who are saying that women probably aren't up to your standards are likely just self-important losers. Most of you could have something going for you if you'd only try, but you probably don't. The average person here on Cred Forums is a young, intelligent slacker of average attractiveness. You guys do nothing but waste your potential, all day, every day, and then you rationalize it by taking half-truths and using them as vectors to externalize your own personal failings.

Finding a decent wife, getting married, and having children is the best thing that most of you can possibly do to help improve society.

>Is there any reason for a male to get married in Western society today?
because you want to raise a healthy family
the same reason anyone considered it throughout history
stop muh dicking around

ha-p 4 u :)

It's obvious you're just using social shaming in a pathetic attempt to get people to say "o-oh, ok, you're right..." and then "man up" and marry modern women. It's evident in your first paragraph and then how you word the second one.

I've been with women before. Women and western culture are the problem, not most men.

Yeah, breed with nature's plan b, subhuman soulless asian rats

Honest question, do people under 25 who don't believe in premarital sex even exist nowadays ?

t. /r9k/

got a better plan?

yea but they're fairly to extremely religious, and even then those sort of people will do everything up until Vaginal sex

You should get married so that your male heir can inherit your wealth , you must marry so as to declare that your future children from the marriage are yours and are legitimate.
Now the laws do not favor the Western men in divorce and that is a good reason not to get married.
The real problem is that the state is getting involved in your marriage and divorce marriage is before God and a divorce can only be granted by the church because it was made before God the state is not God so therefore it has no authority to meddle in your marriage.
Civil marriage is an authority that the state has assumed wrongly and unjustly now there's plenty of bad churches but you don't have to belong to them.
As for the quality of women it will always be this way you will find that woman can cook and clean if you marry a prostitute or a woman raised as a man.
If you look hard enough you can find an old fashioned woman who wants an old-fashioned marriage from an old-fashioned family.
These sorts of women will not be in the bar or the club or in your workplace we will probably see them on the subway on the streetcar or volunteering for some organization.
#makemarriagegreatagain

Checked for truth (as I cry a little).

Flips are chill. I wouldn't breed one, necessarily, but they're a hell of a lot more faithful than Chinese women.

What's the point of marriage if you are not religious.

Checkmate.

The asian gf meme is true she treats me like a king. Sucks my dick while I watch fucked up porn and begs for the dick

Cough*cucked*cough.

Numerous studies have been done on children raised within the structure of the nuclear family. Benefits are obvious and substantial from them.

>It's obvious you're just using social shaming in a pathetic attempt to get people to say "o-oh, ok, you're right..." and then "man up" and marry modern women
I'm shaming you guys but I'm also telling the truth. There is a lot of truth to the kinds of things that you're saying, but that doesn't mean this stuff is a valid excuse for you to ignore your own shortcomings and the ways in which they contribute to the problem. You should be striving to take away positive, useful information from everything you learn--don't become a cynical jackass who just pisses and moans and talks about how oppressed he is.

There are still literally millions of women out there who are good and decent and who will follow your lead once you are in a relationship with them. Leave the roasties for the cucks.

I used to be at that stage. Then, I put my talent to use getting a job teaching English in Japan starting February 2017. I'm finally optimistig to do my best to improve the society I end up calling home!

> virgin traditional white woman
>I swear, it's super easy.
Where is yours?

>Just find a virgin traditional white woman
Why would I want that?

>Japan
wew lad

Women have the minds of children.

>t. someone who has been with several women and is currently engaged.

is no point to those who aren't religious their children are basically not theirs because they have no culture for their children to inherit they have no gods for the children to inherit long past their death there is no gods or God to protect their child.
If you're not religious that explains it that explains why you're getting divorced that explains why you get s***** woman.
How can you take a marriage vow seriously if it is not taken before God? No wonder Western women have went over to Satan.
God and religion last far longer than Nations and kingdoms. Kingdoms may turn to dust but God lasts many a millennia. And so religion is the best way to transmit your Traditions to your son.
But if you're an individualist and not a collectivist then I suggest you not to get married because there is nothing for your child to inherit. Individualism is the philosophy which makes men and women live for today and wants nothing for tomorrow so then there was nothing no reason to get married for these type of people they're too selfish to sacrifice for their children and they do have children it is too few perhaps one or two.
If you want to marriage with lots of children marry a Mormon they seem to always have a lot of children just like the Catholics and they take the marriage seriously

Sure I'll find one right after I find a hard working Google.

>is no point to those who aren't religious their children are basically not theirs because they have no culture for their children to inherit they have no gods for the children to inherit long past their death there is no gods or God to protect their child.
If you're not religious that explains it that explains why you're getting divorced that explains why you get s***** woman.
How can you take a marriage vow seriously if it is not taken before God? No wonder Western women have went over to Satan.
God and religion last far longer than Nations and kingdoms. Kingdoms may turn to dust but God lasts many a millennia. And so religion is the best way to transmit your Traditions to your son.
But if you're an individualist and not a collectivist then I suggest you not to get married because there is nothing for your child to inherit. Individualism is the philosophy which makes men and women live for today and wants nothing for tomorrow so then there was nothing no reason to get married for these type of people they're too selfish to sacrifice for their children and they do have children it is too few perhaps one or two.
If you want to marriage with lots of children marry a Mormon they seem to always have a lot of children just like the Catholics and they take the marriage seriously

That's what you sound like.

Care to share any info about other countries I would be optimistic about living in?

the problem is that Western men want a 10 out of 10 girl that fucks like in their favorite p****.
The other problem is that Western men have become so emasculated in a feminine that they're so pussy whipped by their wives.

>but I'm also telling the truth.

No you're not.

>but that doesn't mean this stuff is a valid excuse for you to ignore your own shortcomings and the ways in which they contribute to the problem

Oh yes, it's always the man's fault. Women are oppressed in western society because guys won't date them. Right?

>You should be striving to take away positive, useful information from everything you learn--don't become a cynical jackass who just pisses and moans and talks about how oppressed he is.

I can do whatever I want, you can't tell me what to do you bitter sperg.

>There are still literally millions of women out there who are good and decent and who will follow your lead once you are in a relationship with them

No there aren't.

Why don't you go to another internet cesspool and go be "HONEST" to males there? Yeah, I know you think that "SOCIETY" is being too nice to us, but you must go now.

t. neckbeard who can't accept the truth

Don't nigger up another country. Help make the US great again. If Trump fails, move to eastern europe.

Married 25 years, honestly it hasnt always been great, then again ive fucked up alot more than her and she's always stuck by me, i don't believe she's ever been unfaithful, and she's still great in bed.

>nigger up another country
I've never committed a crime. I've never consumed illegal drugs, am actually healthy, don't use foul language, and have never so much as exchanged a hug with a female outside of immediate family. I'm really looking forward to my future in Asia!

You're not asian. You don't belong in Asia.

Welcome to the new world. Grab a drink because its all going to burn. Society is dead. humanity is dead, Obama was the last nail in the coffin.

If you want a family I would recommend it. If not, yeah, then there is absolutely no reason to be married. In fact, avoid marriage at all costs if you do not want kids. I would also highly recommend avoiding women who are obsessed with their careers. Find a woman who is likely to stay home with the kids for increased likelihood for family success.

>women
>traditional
>virgin
Pick none.

Even the ugliest cunt has been fuked at least twice and are into drugs or tattoos

If you're less than 6 feet tall don't bother with women at all basically. Unless you want her to give you herps from some nigger.

Fuck off, kikeberg.

nope. no reason. i got a vasectomy a few years ago. no side effects beyond knowing that a female won't steal my sperm. feels good.

Marriage is a vocation and not everybody is called to it.
I prayed for a wife and eventually found one, much to my surprise. She's from E. Europe. Not perfect, of course, but compared to a liberated western woman, I can't complain.

i have a date with one of these tonight.

Asian women were literally crafted by God for white cock.

Asian women are literally goddesses

That'd be great if you make 300k.

8 kids and 8 dogs? The amount of land, insurance, food, and house space you need for them to live a proper life is enormous.

>Is there any reason for a male to get married in Western society today?

No, we are in the final decadent stages of western civilization.

and in the beginning stages of the next evolution of humans via singularity techs

there will be no need nor place for muh traditionalism in the future

just ride the wave senpai, it will all be okay

>You should get married so that your male heir can inherit your wealth
I'm specifically avoiding children and marriage so I can actually have wealth. My great-grandparents had no wealth to pass down, neither did my grandparents. I received $500 inheritance when my grandfather passed and my other grandfather died in debt. My parents are in their 60s with no retirement plan.

There is literally no wealth being passed down in my family tree. The only chance any of them have is that I will garner wealth and not fucking waste it on maintenance, then die and pass it down to 2 or 3 of my favorite cousin/sibling descendants.

New branches are good for a tree, but they all die without water.

An earlier me would have told you that we non-native Americans do not belong in America because we are not the indigenous species. However, I've since come to redefine "belonging" to a country. The way I see it, it's okay to live in a country where your ancestors have contributed to civilization (e.g. whites in science and blacks with rock music roots). Additionally, I support living in a country where you can make serious improvements. For example, the German engineers we "pardoned" after we "liberated" them from Nazi Germany proved invaluable in advancing America's jet propulsion technology. Similarly, East Asian graduate science students are helping us advance science across the country. Now, I am an unemployed chemistry major who is very interested in artificial womb research, but I con't really pursue my dream in this country. However, I can help the technology in an East Asian country advance; thus, I would belong there.

I married a filipina.

10/10 best decision ever.

Just had to sort through literally 900 dating site convos of the '' type.

The West is a joke and needs to die.

>I received $500 inheritance when my grandfather passed
Holy shit, I had like $2000 stashed when finishing high school. Aren't amerifats supposed to be rich?

Thank you for your input Ahmed.

based user.
Filipinas will treat you like a fucking king.

Laotians too, but they're fucking crazy. keep them entertained/busy/distracted.

I agree.

Most of us spend our paychecks as we get them and also have hefty credit card debt. The rest of us have a higher rate of wanting to try a life outside of the country.

...

The dying middle class isn't a meme, real wages have gone down since the 70s.

You know what? Nobody ever talks about real numbers so here's a fucking wall of text with some anecdotal evidence (what non-cunts call "real life experience")

Grandpa 1 was army, pension allowed him to live but not thrive. Died in debt. Grandpa 2 was in WW2 and became a factory worker because in his day and age you could have 5 kids and a housewife as a factory worker, a job was a job, they were meant to pay for a wife and kids and house. He never saved for retirement though so social security kept him up until the health costs came in, ate everything he had except the house and about 20k split between 5 kids and 15 grandkids.

I had $9,000 when finishing HS but state college ate all of it and left me $21,000 in debt. I had a scholarship that covered tuition but "tuition" over here is just an entry fee, the courses have a separate cost (900 each for me, so 4.5k per semester). It was 36k just for the classes for all 4 years, I worked throughout college. Got paid 9/hour in IT for the first 11 months after graduation, landed a job for 40k, got a 7% raise the year after, left a year after for a 70k job I barely qualified for thanks to networking. Paid off my student loans 3 years out of college. Got a promotion to 80k when my co-worker left the team and I demanded it to make up for my workload, and that's where I am now, in a condo with 10% down payment and working on an emergency fund in my late 20s

The standard hard-working life, with a bit of luck, takes about 26-30 years to break even.

literally no reason

you can massage your penis by yourself and save A LOT of money on it, and we have crisis

even less reasons to have children, they are parasites

amerifats come in two flavors, really.
Paycheck to paycheck vs. Millionaire.
More than half of Americans actually have negative net worths.
When you see statistically that Americans are really rich, you gotta take into account that most aren't, but a good 20% are fuckin well off.

Hate to double-post here, but generational wealth is a big deal here.

example:
I "have a friend" whose grandparents are wealthy, and set up a trust fund. His net worth at 21 is >300k , despite never working and being a college student.

Just shut the fuck up you beta fuck. You people are worse than feminists.

You can't find a good woman because you are a fat piece of shit that lives in your mother's basement. If you were ripped with any decent job you would have no trouble whatsoever finding a woman worth a damn.

Yeah, most women today are shit. But so are most men, so good men have no compeition for good women. Distinguish yourself if you want that fair maiden.

We don't like Muslim women, yet we want women who're put in their place.

Maybe we should stop resisting?

Gay faggot over here. Still believe in monogamy and would like to settle down at some point. I'm somewhat bi, but I don't bother with women anymore; easier just to say I'm le gay. I take solace knowing that if things go sour when I'm with a man, at least we'll be in the same sinking boat.

Fucking sweet life, somebody in his lineage worked hard so he could have that. That's the whole reason I'm skipping kids, to break the cycle and actually have someone in our family tree inherit real money instead of some bonus 2-week paycheck.

>Just shut the fuck up you beta fuck.
>Distinguish yourself if you want that fair maiden.

you better shut the fuck up Ahmed.

This isnt about individual "yo lift n slay pussy u faggot", which is all the average intellectual low-lives think there is to life. It isnt about getting pussy, and it certainly isnt about YOU getting pussy.

It is about society ACTIVELY DISINCENTIVIZING MEN ON AGGREGATE TO BE PRODUCTIVE CITIZENS OF THE STATE.

of course such a society will turn to shit within a few decades and even be unable to defend itself, some even actively embracing their new conquerors (#refugeeswelcome).

This is the problem. It never is, and never was a problem to get a single woman you stupid fucktard.

Your post is too true, OP. From historical point of view, what event had the highest impact that caused women to be this fucking shitty and useless?

>which is all the average intellectual low-lives think there is to life.

LMFAO, literally a 12 year old fedora here folks!

>It is about society ACTIVELY DISINCENTIVIZING MEN ON AGGREGATE TO BE PRODUCTIVE CITIZENS OF THE STATE.

Look at this shit. Seriously, read what you just wrote. You sound like a feminist whining about fat shaming and the patriarchy making it impossible ot look attractive.

Protip: You have to take care of yourself, and treat yourself with respect because despite what people say, looks are the most important factor when meeting someone, especially when dating. If someone is fat, covered in acne, has greasy hair, smells, etc, no one give a fuck about what the person is like on the inside, because if they have such a small amount of respect for themselves, they're likely to have even less for others.

R A R E
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Also, it was the US giving women the right to vote without abolishing alimony & child support in the same bill.

That's the thinking that starts dynasties, bud.

I've put myself in a weird position. I've developed traditional values while also not being religious. That means I don't want a devout Christian, but do want someone who embraces those types of values.

That's most christians, honestly. I'm not christian but am considering wearing a cross simply for the novelty of the traditional values it implies.

It's similar to most muslims eating bacon cheeseburgers if given the chance, but still sticking to strong islamic values like beheading their wives.

Yep. I live in the south. Went to college with a lot of them.

If you find the right woman go for it, though remember that your stock will only keep going up until you are around 35-40 after which it will slowly start to go down. Women start getting desperate in their early 30s and are past their peak in their late 20s.

>their peak in their late 20s.
Try 15

How did you learn Japanese?

To raise offspring to rule over the Muds

>can't cook or clean

Why would I need someone else for that when I can do that myself?

Men used to need marriage to ensure their children were theirs. Now men have no such protection even when they are married so it has become useless.

>because if they have such a small amount of respect for themselves, they're likely to have even less for others
Lmao way to half ass your redpilling

I want to poke-her-hot-ass
If you know what I mean

Four semesters in college
Daily vocab decks
SNS chatting
N2 now

>Finding a decent wife, getting married, and having children is the best thing that most of you can possibly do to help improve society.

And if I don't give a shit about society? I made a choice in life, way back when I was a wee lad to never ever marry or procreate. I realized that I'm not born to billionaire parents and would get a better lot in life if I lived life for myself. A little sex on the side doesn't hurt, but tying yourself down to a relationship? Nah, women won't, so why should I?

I'm a conservative nationalist, but I know there's no way to fix this broken country alone. A single man can't make a difference. In fact, MGTOW and in-general 'opting out' movements will help society world-wide more than hurt it. ((((People)))) that drove us to this point will be forced to look and figure out where it all went wrong.

>You should get married so that your male heir can inherit your wealth ,
Here's the ultimate red pill. I'm not gonna have wealth if I marry and have to spend it on a woman and a kid (or more than one). And what do I care about what happens to my shit after I'm gone?

>tfw married and only staying married because of my daughter

The marriage isn't terrible, but I would really like to visit the Bunny Ranch and embrace more VR porn.

Is she hot?

She was before breastfeeding and pregnancy tore apart her stomach and tits.

Way to derail my shitpost (you). Well played.

>Just find a virgin traditional white woman. I swear, it's super easy.
Where? How?
Seriously what the fuck is the secret user

Women should be swapped out quarterly. Seriously, 3 months is the most you'll get out of even the best.

Go to Saudi Arabia if you want patriarch privileges, faggot.

Yes, kids are too expensive, not worth the time either.

this.

Women cheat and divorce because their husband doesn't cum in their vagina enough

I cum in your wife's vagina enough for the both of us boyo.

I hope you typed that shit while clubbing a seal. Savage. A savage man is what you are.

...

You have no idea, friend. I also eat dogs, not because I'm Chinese, just because they're delicious.

...

Because of their amazing personalities

>by chance
Do tell

Really just want to pop a ropey load on her in front of some fat reservation injuns

so don't date women then?

>"Why don't the ladies like me?"
*cries*
>"They listen to crappy sounding pop music, rather than classical music (like a true intellectual as myself!)
>"They don't even read Dawkins!!"
*tips fedora*
>"The modern woman is worthless!"
Sometimes I'm embarrassed to share the same board as you fags.

>ywn beat her into total submission

damn googleplex

Your entire post was just an incoherent rambling. Like an aussie taking a detour off the main roads so he can go watch an abo wrestle with an emu in the forest.

>tfw you will never know the joy of roasting your neighbours yappy little mutt and inviting them over for dinner
>mmm, what is this user? It's delicious
>old family recipe, dig in

I'm only hoping to get the househusband end game, anyone else, which country will I likely be able to find an alpha woman that will let me live such a lifestyle?

You fell the "modern woman are shit so I won't get married meme".

I hope you can read and comprehend what I'm saying this time.

if modern male-female relationship paradigm interests you go on

however ill have to pass

Fine don't have kids. Let us get outbred by the sandgoogles

Go to church or other religious centers. Or join a religious society in college or elsewhere. It's not hard. Seriously. Finding a decent woman is super easy.

You don't have to believe in any of it. In fact, it's better if you don't. Conversations and dating are E.Z.M8

"I feel empty inside, how did you come to your faith?"

"Oh can we get coffee and discuss some more."

"Oh wow, thanks for saving my soul. Can I take you out for dinner?"

unfortunately majority of us doesnt live in the batist parts of the bayou

If you live near a major city you probably have at least one. Or convert to Islam and import a bride from the caucus

>implying I give a fuck what happens after I die
Protip: if I don't have kids, I have no reason to.
Let it burn.

twitter.com/notch/status/779101280430063620

Every woman I've ever been in a relationship with either cheated on me or acted like the most spoiled bitches ever, demanding that I pay for everything, including her bills and that I give her half my paycheck every month because she's my gf.

I toss those women to the curb. I have never met a decent woman and probably never will. Gonna die without kids.

dammit wrong thread
fak

But lots and lots of guys know how fucked the current situation is, so they opt out. I do what I want. You're just another person who thinks being rude on Cred Forums is going to change any guy's minds here, but it won't. The meme is real.

a fucking leaf

I've slept with 40 and they are all the same. They may have different likes and interests, but even the smart ones are still as mature as the dumb ones.
Just over grown spoiled children who have INSANE levels of entitlement and privilege because they have a vagina.

If you treat a women like an equal, it will fail between you two. Women lose respect for you unless you are the leader.

That will happened anyway as they have at least five kids all paid for by welfare.

really i felt like that was the east side of america. everyone is going out to restaurants. west side is all barbequing.

All this nonsense about "obedience" in a wife is highly overrated. An obedient sex doll type does not age well. I know this because most of my co-workers "outgrow" their wives, whom they chose based on these criteria.

Your partner should be your personal life coach - someone who knows how to push you to be your best and be all that you can be, so that you reach your full potential.

You can always hire obedient housekeepers.

Tits or gtfo.

One is only rewarded for the risk they are willing to make.
t. father

I'll settle for traditional CIS (born that way) woman.
doesn't have to be a virgin, just has to be an actual female without surgery.

Unsolicited advice time:

1. Stop dating girls that you meet in bars or various other slut farms. If you think it's a good place to get laid don't seriously date the women you meet there.
2. Set your expectations lower...no seriously. "Hot" girls are invariably a pain in the ass, but the hottest girls are going to be an unbearable nightmare. If she seems like an attention whore at all, run. Basically, if you think they're cool, they're probably really not. Your sweet spot is pretty and not outgoing.
3. Focus on somebody that you actually like, if everything goes horribly wrong there's going to be less chance of being stuck with a long term alimony payment.

then you get stuck with the crazy autists

>tfw the girl who works at the catholic book store now has an engagement ring on her finger

Just kill me now

>stuck with crazy autists
>Cred Forums
Oh hai.

Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free.