A MESSAGE TO THE BRITISH

There are Irish people, believe it or not, who recognise and celebrate your contribution to the world and the granting of our legal system and language. You may not hear from us much because we are drowned out by the knuckle-dragging republicans who have a deep insecurity complex and feel the need to be challenging the British all the time to feel like the British will notice them. When the peace process came about, many of these uneducated Republican simpletons continued to fight on as they have no goal or purpose in life but to be noticed and talked about by the British.

Some of us regret that you ever left and your benevolent, civilised rule was replaced by the terror of Roman Catholic Church rule. I would vote in the morning to rejoin the UK if I could, but for now, it's not possible.

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Every Irish thread I've been to in Cred Forums has been shitting on us Brits.

Good to see that someone here from Ireland actually likes us. It's a shame that Ireland ever seperated from the UK. It looks retarded on a map and we have so much in common. (inb4 potato). I recognise our hugely bad problems that we caused on Ireland but times have changed. Incidentally, all the ire between Ireland - UK is from Irish republicans shouting about "Muh potatoes". Nobody from the UK actually hates Ireland.

Unfortunately Ireland will probably never rejoin the UK. It's a shame that the Catholic church is full retard over issues like Abortion and Gay Marriage.

We would welcome you back with open arms, but sadly I don't think it will happen in our lifetimes. Good to hear this opinion regardless.

KYS OP faggot.

>Masonic mongrels have to stoop this low

I just want marry a red haired irish girl why is it so hard

>by the terror of Roman Catholic Church rule

as bad as new pope is, catholics aren't allowing gay bishops like filthy anglicans

theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/02/nicholas-chamberlain-bishop-of-grantham-c-of-e-gay-relationship

NI Catholic who goes to uni in England. I can confirm that the Brits are a decent people.Does anyone else notice how the Irish/British can interact with each other on a different level than with Europeans?

>I recognise our hugely bad problems that we caused on Ireland

Obviously not if you're supporting our traitorous shit stirrers as usual.

Is that a serious realisation?

Irish and Brits interact with eachother because we're next door neighbours, we speak the same language and we have same common interests (in sport, music etc.)

Ireland just vastly differs in Politics. They may not want to admit it but the UK has had an enormous positive effect on Ireland.

There is nothing more pathetic than irish cuckolds.

We don't "support" anyone.

Irish guy with similar opinion here. Lets raise a glass to the british and their brexit!

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I basically consider Irish people British anyway. Our countries have too much in common, especially northern England.

You are irrelevant. You are traitors to our common bond with Anglo-civilisation. The likes of you sold out our country to the Vatican in return for a pretense that you controlled your own affairs.

The language, laws, beautiful architecture, respect for intellectual endeavour, etc. are all things that the British gave us and they remain, despite your best efforts. While you scrabble in the dirt and try to regress towards parochialism, ignorance, laziness and division.

Have fun stretching a sock over your head, jumping up and down and crying out for the British to notice you. They don't care about you. You are a joke to them, and to most Irish people.

Irish cuckolds run the country, selling the country off bit by bit to foreign interests and desperately undermining any notion of fiscal responsibility in order to poach large multinationals so that they can take as few people off the dole while they funnel the money out of the country again. It's funny to see dimwits spout buzzwords like 'cuck' as a substitute for any knowledge or argument. This is about a desire to rejoin with our parents who made us everything we are, rather than act like a rebellious teenager who would burn everything to the ground before admitting that they can't handle their own affairs. Now get back to cuckolding yourself to whoever happens to be rolling through your country with tanks

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Yeah same.

I used to refer to myself as English but I have so many of our friends from all parts of the UK that I prefer British. N. Irish, Welsh, Scottish. Just feels like one massive family desu.

Having said that, give me a Cornish parliament #CornishIndependence.

Fuck off you orange cunt.

You have to go back west brit

Aw, thanks Ireland.
I want you back too, our Countries look shite on a map with that weird chunk of ireland belonging to us for some fucking reason.
A fully United Kingdom would look bloody great on the map and in practice would be more beneficial for every party involved.

I live in Newcastle and the Geordie accent is closer to Scottish/Irish than your stereotypical southern British accent too, which is another bond we share. Besides Scotland. Fuck them and their 60%.

>I would vote in the morning to rejoin the UK if I could, but for now, it's not possible.
THe UK ran ireland like shit when we were part of it. Ireland was poor as fuck under the brits, now we're richer than them.

That modern UK is bongistan, with wide open gates for all the mud scum who want to settle and live there. The UK is already lost to this shit. There's enough mud scum there to vote to let even more mud scum in.

The last thing we want is to join that shit.

Alternatively I invite any british nationalists to come live in ireland and help keep mud scum out out.

OP seems a bit too over the top to be genuine. But it's worth reminding all Britons with an Irish grandparent that your citizenship is a mere 180 smackers away, should you choose to go for it. Second passports are always handy, after all.

Problem with Ireland and the UK was that it was always one-directional: we English have always lived among Irishmen, but Ireland itself remained a bit out in the cold. More of us should go over, rebuild some decent connections again, rather than simply assimilating generation after generation of Irish immigrants.

What do you mean 60%.

Trying to insult someone by calling them a West Brit is like mocking them by saying 'you're attractive' or 'you're smart.' Listen up dumbo, being British would be a badge of honour.

It's incredible to think that had Ireland been given Home Rule in 1914 it would probably still be in the UK, with independence being a cuck opinion like it is in Scotland.

>our Countries look shite on a map with that weird chunk of ireland belonging to us for some fucking reason.
If you want to nuke it for us we'll pay for the nukes.

>Nobody from the UK hates Ireland
You're obviously not from Northern Ireland, m8

There's a reason British people don't move to Ireland but thousands of Irish people move to the UK.

>implying ireland doesn't have the free movement of peoples either

Atleast we voted for Brexit and have a chance to overturn it if we don't get cucked in the process.

Brexit.

>I used to refer to myself as English but I have so many of our friends from all parts of the UK that I prefer British.
Don't be a wanker. You can obviously be both, and your Britishness would be meaningless if you weren't actually English. British and English/Irish/Scotch/Welsh are not mutually exclusive, but part of a pyramid of belonging.

>the Geordie accent is closer to Scottish/Irish
County Durham has the closest one to it that I've heard in Britain.

>Alternatively I invite any british nationalists to come live in ireland and help keep mud scum out out.
Appreciated.

Fuck off spaghetti nigger

Nuke Ireland. You're basically a non-country.

i see an anglo got him self a cozy proxy and is most likely an orange man

is it this time already.

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Those factors don't apply equally to everyone by any means. I personally own an old cottage over there, and can work anywhere where there's an internet connection, no problem.

Durham, Tyne and Wear and Northumberland all sound pretty Irish.

Less of a realisation, more something I find interesting. The barrier between the British Isles and the continentals is too much too enjoy their company most of the time

>implying ireland doesn't have the free movement of peoples either
We don't like piles of paki's and niggers in like the UK does. None of which come from the EU. Half of the UK's immigrants come from outside the EU. I'll bet dollars to donuts that you'll still be taking in piles of poles after leaving the EU.

What's it like knowing the IRA failed at everything ever?

There is no Northern Ireland. There is one true Ireland, a component of the United Kingdom. Your pretty squabbles are similar to the cretins with socks over their head and recycled Soviet assault rifles. You both work to divide Ireland from its rightful union with UK.

Irishcunt here who lived in SW England for a few years. You lads are alright, we're pretty much one and the same nowadays. The only noticeable differences are that we have our GAA (you have your cricket) and you also have drinkable ale (we get shit yankee larger).

>British people don't move to Ireland
There are about 300,000 Brits in Ireland, or about 7% of the population of the Republic.

Theres loads of brits here m8.

lel. I should've wrote England, Wales and Scotland.

feels good fuck socialism

A lot gain citizenship in other European countries before moving to Britain but I think we have an opportunity. Maybe not to close the borders completely which would be ideal, but Brexit was a clear message that we're fucking sick of that shit.

>UK calling the Republic of Ireland a "non country"
lol. At least we're still white and not filled with mud scum.

When was the last time you went to Dublin? I don't think all the spearchuckers, genital-mutilators and dogeaters I saw there last time were European...

im all for the Irish hating us, for them its a matter of national pride, something that every nation should have.

i do however think that this should only be taken to an extent, regardless of our history there are far bigger threats to the cultures and way of life that we mostly share

That's London mate. We're getting rid of that and reinstating Ireland as part of the UK. Get used to it faggot.

Which IRA?

No proxy, not that you will believe it. Because it's beyond the bounds of possibility that an Irish person recognises the historical injustice that was done the traitors who bit the hand of our betters? Imagine how much better the country would be if they never left.

You do realise that once the UK pulls out of the EU, you could be affected?

The reason Bulgarians and Romanians aren't coming to Ireland is because the UK is better than Ireland in literally every single way. We're richer, bigger, more influential and have established minority communities. Why would a Romanian go to Ireland if he could go to the UK where a lot of his friends already are, earn more money, live in a better house and (((integrate))) better in the country.

Now that the UK is shutting the doors, they'll be going to the next most prosperous country. That's Germany, France and if Ireland gets wealth, they will be going to you. The UK has absorbed all these people and shielded them away from you because we're superior in every single way (and I don't say that to brag). Now with the immigration control, you are at risk.

>That's London mate.
and loads of towns near it that are overrun now.

Also, if you get rid of london, what the fuck is left? Where do you expect to get money from?

>reinstating Ireland as part of the UK
Good luck with that

The one that blew shit up until they were cucked into becoming PIRA or whatever the fuck.

Let's get it STARTED boys!

>Be Irish
>Roll around in a bog
>Trigger vikings because they're shit at fighting
>Relevant nations build castles and shit
>England decides they want the bog
>Nah, lad
>Have an uprising in literally every single generation since the day England set foot in Ireland
>Occupy a post office for the banter
>England REEEEEEEEEEEs so hard that they eventually cause most of Ireland to leave the UK
>The North is all that remains
>The Irish people there aren't given rights
>They rise up
>Unionist apes chimp out and call them terrorists
>Everyone laughs because now Unionists are so cucked that their police force and employers have to meet catholic/protestant equality quotas
>Today Unionist culture is becoming more and more of a mockery
>They have adopted the dindu nuffin stance and act as if the world is set against them and that it has been from the start
>Republicanism is the ultimate form of banter
>No matter what, no matter how irrelevant Ireland is, no matter what Britain does, has done or is doing, no matter what state the world is in, as long as an Irish man and an Anglo Saxon man exist on these isles, the Irish will trigger the English
>There is no force known to man able to stop the Irish triggering the english
>It all started because England couldn't keep hold a of a fucking bog

Tiochfaidh ár lá, feels fucking good boys.

our legal system was way beyond the shitty laws of the commonwealth
plantations fucked that all up
fucking jackeens

>You do realise that once the UK pulls out of the EU, you could be affected?
I do indeed. I hope like fuck it doesn't happen. Pray for us bong friends : (

The Irish dont hate ye as a whole. No one really cares anymore. After brexit all the political paryies here said it could lead to irish reunification, none of the electorate even seemed that interested

>a matter of national pride, something that every nation should have.
Fuck those trips, I disagree! I wouldn't call this sort of childish jingoistic chauvinism a healthy kind of nationalism. Just as nationalism is most vindicated by its extension of the principles binding the family together, so nations must realise that they too form wider families. There IS a British family of nations, which the Irish belong to whether they like it or not.

>boasting that no one wants to move to your irrelevant 3rd world shit hole of a non-country
Top kek

From the colonies.

>civilised rule was replaced by the terror of Roman Catholic Church rule

lol go back to rebbit you whiny little faggot

Fuck off back to England, you west brit faggot.

>Ireland has only accepted about 10% of the refugees they promised Europe
>They're still barely paying Britain back for fixing their economy even though right now Ireland's economy is one of the fastest growing in Europe
>based Enda Kelley keeps triggering unionists by referecning a border poll
>All anti-british irish songs are infinitely superior to anti-irish british songs

youtube.com/watch?v=NVSkT6gUVpE

Fuck off degenerate.

Our "3rd world shit hole" is richer than the UK per capita. Suck it.

>im all for the Irish hating us, for them its a matter of national pride, something that every nation should have.

If all British showed the same respect for the Irish nation there would be no need for hate.

instead we get brits like this who think if perfectly fine to say its a shame Ireland exists and don't understand the bad reaction to it:

>post yfw they'll never shoot you in your own country

>be unionist
>can't even March wherever you want

Priceless lols

>per capita
Because no lives there or wants to

You have 2 options:

Leave the EU.

or..

Rejoin the UK.

Because guess what - Ireland is the fastest growing economy in Europe. And when we impose controls, they're coming for YOU.

Are you for real?

I'd ask you to just think of the collective struggle of our ancestors, and the major disparity in the development between the two populations and reconsider what you're saying.

Now while I personally don't hold any sort of resentment towards British people with regards to the history between our two countries i will always prefer to live in a republic. Christ, I was thrilled and happy for the Brits when they voted Brexit. They should leave the EU, and determine their own future - it's their right as a people who just want to have jurisdictional authority over their own national and local affairs. My opinion is the same with regard to the historical de-coupling of Ireland from Britain. Gaining our independence took long enough, and we fucking abdicated it to Brussels after a single generation.
I'd rather see co-operative relations between respectful nation states instead of maintaining our trajectory towards fucking globalisation, crony capitalism, and despair.

>implying republics are more successful than constitutional monarchies

There's a reason Rome went from a monarchy, to a Republic and back to a monarchy. Also a great defense from tyranny. Rejoin the UK mate.

>Be Unionist
>Get shot by other Unionists

What?

I said it's a shame that Ireland SEPARATED because we have a lot in common. I like Ireland and would like to see them in a union with us. I understand why, however, you never want to be in a union with us considering the things we did to Ireland.

It's a shame Ireland left the UK but I understand 100% why they did (I probably would've supported it myself). I'm just saying that these days, it would be good to be closer with Ireland. Irish people, aside from Politics, are literally the same as the British.

>Be Unionist
>Get autistic about people telling you where not to march despite being able to march through about 98% of the country
>Start Camo Twaddell to protest it for 1000 days
>Cost your country over £21,000,000 because you're so triggered about a fucking parade limitation
>NI decides only to fly the Union Flag on Belfast City Hall-not the official governmental building of NI-on designated days like the rest of the UK instead of daily
>Chimp out
>Riot and tear your own city apart for days
>Blame the RA
>Realise everyone is laughing at you
>Form Protestant Coalition to defend Protestant Identity and Rights
>Call yourself a political party
>Lie on your page and use photos without permission, get laughed at
>Delete comments and block people
>Go broke and become just another loyalist facebook page
>Decide that everyone is in the IRA except you and your mate Declan
>Complain about your culture being stolen
>Complain about the IRA being terrorists during the troubles despite the Loyalist Paramilitaries killing almost exclusively civilians and killing more civilians than the IRA did
>Complain about the IRA controlling government despite the DUP having dominated the political landscape of NI for fucking years
>Chimp out any chance you get
>Burn someones house down during the 11th
>Call into radio shows and literally say "people shouldn't build houses near bonfires"
>Cause havoc, mess, incredibly cleanup costs and a lot of property damage just weeks after condemning St Patricks Day for the same thing only instead of burning down houses, setting bonfires alight with cats on them, burning flags and effiges of people you complain about students being drunk on St Paddys in a largely student-housing dominated area
>Be Unionist
>Question why you haven't necked yourself for being so fucking consistently stupid

>terror of Roman Catholic Church
What year is it there 1937?

You do know you might as well be living in Britain since Ireland has been so thoroughly secularized and anglicized. Ireland's Catholic Constitution only lives in a severely mutilated form.

Also it seems you've forgotten the terrible shit that has happened under British rule, like the famines, which weren't really even famines since the Brits were exporting food out of your country most of the time.

Only my first name is Irish and I know that op is a fucking scumbag who hates his fellow Irish.

Just prefer the Republican model, mate. Sovereignty should reside in the people, in the nation itself, not some entitled figurehead who inherits their position.

Inb4: before you say it I hate Sinn Fein, they're opportunist cunts.

alright calm down there mate they're already dead

They're Kings and Queens, hence why they inherit their position, it's not really entitlement in a negative way when they actually are entitled to it.

Besides, constitutional being the main word. Their power is in theory and only applied in times of emergency. The fact remains that Republics all become corrupt and widowed in time if history is any indication, and usually the system they rely on after that is a monarch or resembles a monarch.

>The fact remains that Republics all become corrupt
And monarchies remain squeaky clean for all time, utterly inviolate and impervious to the same processes of decay that attend ALL other manmade institutions? Fuck off, mate. Christ, so sick of reading bullshit from fellow Englishmen who queue up eagerly to kiss the arse of fucking toffs who wouldn't give them the steam off their piss to save their lives.

Edgy

I hear what your saying, but didn't it just transition to Constituational Monarchy after years of civil war. I just prefer that power, when codified and enacted, be described as being legitimised by the collective will of the people. If it's the will of the British people to invest authority in an individual as a sovereign monarch that's grand. I just wouldn't want it myself. Monarchies can be unstable too.

>constitutional being the main word
Re-read what I said you fucking faggot.

>Our ancestors
You mean our ancestors

>this from a country where the constitutional monarch brought about democracy for everyone AND stopped a coup bringing another dictatorship into power
Do you know your own history, m8?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_transition_to_democracy#Political_role_of_Juan_Carlos_I

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/23-F#Juan_Carlos.27_Repudiation

I think Republics work better with a Swiss direct democracy system with the ability to change the constitution if there is a petition of a certain amount of votes.

I fucking love Switzerland's politics. Anything can be changed if the people want it to.

I'm sure you ancestors struggled too, mate. Just to a different end than the ones living hear. I'd like to try a preserve and carry on what they were doing, as I'm sure you do with your own.

Monarchies can be very unstable, which is why we need to differentiate absolute monarchies from constitutional monarchies.

They're a check on power. In theory, the Queen can refuse any legislation. Her representative where she is head of state (Canada, Australia, Jamaica etc.) is called the Governor General. If things goes tits up, the GG acts on behalf of the Queen to sort things out. She also retains the power to remove the all Governments she is head of state in.

In theory, if martial law were declared in a country governed by her or any form of tyranny, it could be overturned in an hour but she herself could not declare martial law and could be executed for abusing these powers under Rex v Rex 1649.

Taigland has a similar system, they need a referendum on amendments to the constitution, that's why they had one on fag marriage.

Of course, for the EU they just make them vote until they get the answer Juncker wanta to hear.

No, you lickle prick, the most striking thing in your post, regardless of your intention, was where you afforded kings and queens (which you even capitalised!) some kind of magic voodoo quality, smacking of the stupid bullshit that got that dickhead Charles I's head chopped off. Fuck's sake...

I'm not Spanish, I'm English. But anyway, that useless parasite Juan Carlos just let the globalists get as comfy as they possibly could here, only to duck out when the tensions were appearing most strongly to leave his son with all the mess on his hands. Franco should never have passed on power to this useless branch of the family. Don Sixto is the only sensible candidate for anyone with any duty towards Spain as a historical ideal and Nation.

No, I mean anyone in Switzerland can hold a referendum on anything.

If I were living in Switzerland, I could theoretically launch a petition to ban all muslims entering the country. If that petition gets 100,000 signatures, then Switzerland, by law, has to put it to a referendum. If the referendum is passed, then Switzerland has to put it in their constitution.

I think only California in the US holds a system like Switzerland, where any Swiss Citizen can demand a direct change to the constitution.

Referendums in the UK are only held if the politicians want them. A referendum can be held in Switzerland if it has enough signatures.

>kings are tyrants
>get proven wrong
>"n-no he was a globalist"
Top kek.

ERASE THIS

Here's a quick timeline that'll hopefully stop yourself from being a laughing stock.

If you are genuinely interested in talking about the history of monarchies, what has almost every Republic that outlasted it's Republican stage warped into and why?

Rome, Florence, Milan. Some examples.

>>kings are tyrants
Not my fault you can't read, kiddo. Kings aren't necessarily anything at all, but can be anything that anyone else can, and given human nature, that means that altogether too many of them are vice-ridden reprobates or ineffectual useless figureheads who irresponsibly let their countries roll into ruin.

>It's a shame that the Catholic church is full retard over issues like Abortion and Gay Marriage

Off yourself. Neither of these things are right or moral. Merely tolerated. They certainly shouldn't be celebrated.

Yeah, it's undoubtedly true that direct democracy is the most representative form of governance. Ideally, that's what I'd like to see Ireland transition more towards, that and enabling more local government. Direct democracy requires an informed electorate is the only thing.

Ireland has to hold referendums on all constitutional changes. Usually after years of political mishandling or refusing to deal with situations appropriately at government level.

that's not how it works dick breath

>>And monarchies remain squeaky clean for all time, utterly inviolate and impervious to the same processes of decay that attend ALL other manmade institutions? Fuck off, mate. Christ, so sick of reading bullshit from fellow Englishmen who queue up eagerly to kiss the arse of fucking toffs who wouldn't give them the steam off their piss to save their lives.
>this much damage control

The masses are easily manipulated. Democracy is a fucking sham. Most people vote based soley on emotion rather than rational logical thinking. Whatever the masses think is for the benefit of society is usually told to them by the rich corporation ceos or politicians who have anything but the people's best interests in their hearts, who then use propaganda and shut down all opposition and alternative suggestions using trotskyist forms of debate.

t.Dubliner
Fuck off to Britain you traitor.

>That one Irish KEK guy on pol who wants to be one of the brits
fucking pathetic to be honest have a bit of self respect for you and your country, dont throw it all under the bus for some Cred Forums acceptance.

>If you are genuinely interested in talking about the history of monarchies, what has almost every Republic that outlasted it's Republican stage warped into and why?

Human affairs are constantly in flux, obeying even grander cycles than those you seem to be alluding to here. You ignore the real changes within monarchies, which are as vulnerable as any other system to end up with power concentrated among oligarchies who hold the state to ransom. My beef with the other kid was that he seems to have puerile notions of the Divine Right or some magical joojoo surrounding the person of the monarch. My main point is that monarchies are just as useless as any other form of government, as is perfectly illustrated by how that useless cow Elizabeth II has reigned over the most disastrous generation in English history EVER.

Greek democracy was the most direct form of governance. Fortunately, we follow the Roman Republican model of democracy and not Greek because everything being in the hands of the people is a complete failure.

>misunderstanding my point this much

Constitutional vs absolute monarchy. The English monarchy has been constantly evolving for almost one thousand years until we gained a system of governance by the people and parliament, in which the king or queen remained a figurehead with immense power, but also immense balances on those powers (such as the aforementioned Rex v Rex 1649).

This is essentially what the Roman Empire was in theory.

The qualities of a king matters too. They need to be patriotic and love their country. Having foreign kings does not work, as shown throughout history and I'm including the British Empire in this.

>everything being in the hands of the people is a complete failure.
Switzerland is a complete failure?

Our people are spoonfed this bullshit of our system being the best ever from early childhood. Fact is, we have a parasitic political class that combines the worst of the ancient regime, of plutocracy and of leftist subversion of traditional morality.

Politics without politicians, and the disruption of all monopolies of power and wealth are what are needed, but we are brought up to dismiss fighting for justice as pipe dreams.

It's the only flaw but you need an educated electorate. The problem is that people vote Cuckdeau because of his looks. Now they're realising how shit Cuckdeau is when he is selling off all of Canada's gold reserves.

The Swiss are smart people though.

>Constitutional vs absolute monarchy.
I don't even CARE about this little legal preoccupation of yours. I just see that both systems fuck us over. Constitutional monarchies that preside over Rotherham are beneath contempt.

American with no regrets reporting.Thankfully the pond in big enough

The Swiss literally have a parliament...
That's not the Greek model of democracy. For fuck sakes. Really, just stop making a fool out of yourself now.

>The Swiss are smart people though.

Much of this is due to their actually having responsibility for their government. There is an element of duty involved in their citizenship, with its military aspect in particular. Unlike in Britain, they are not made to get used to being almost utterly insignificant as an atomised single individual, which is probably key. Power is decentralised, so people feel in control, and are accordingly elevated by this sensation into a better kind of human being than some monarch's or Labour politician's serf. They are not immune to the worst corruptions (the Francophone cantons too readily go along with shit in the French Republic, for instance), however.

Traitor. It's ok to like Britain and sure they did some good for us but they were fucking cunts. The whole point of the UK is just England keeping it's slaves happy. Life would be better if we joined I'm sure but a life of servitude to absolute cunts is no life at all. Some of us have the IQ to run a country without anglo help so dont worry traitor-kun ;)

They have lots of other superficially familiar things too, but their function and power are radically different with comparison to Westminster. Notice how nobody can even tell you who their head of state is. I'm sure it's not ideal over there, but it's a damn sight better than most other places.

Blaming the queen for Rotherham? Are you honestly that dense? There were (obviously) already systems in play. I could've sworn it was the fault of the police for not wanting to seem racist, but let's blame the fucking Queen. Woopy-fucking-do boys.

The Child Protection Act of 1966 didn't come into play when Rotherham happened. And molesting children had been illegal for a LONG time before that mate.

How would your form of government, which is Greek democracy as you've advocated (complete and absolute power within the people) have fixed Rotherham, without knowing of it?

>The whole point of the UK is just England keeping it's slaves happy.
Please don't be so retarded. England isn't a person or even a corporate body of joint interests. The United Kingdom is run by an incestuous cabal of scheming rats in London, and most parts of England have been shat on far worse than you sods could even imagine.

And again, it comes down to the old constitutional monarchy vs absolute monarchy. An absolute monarchy could've had the Muslims in Rotherham beheaded or thrown into a fire. A constitutional monarchy couldn't, and once they had knowledge of it happening (or if, I don't know if the Queen knows though I imagine she does), it'd be the job of our legal systems.

You do know Britain doesn't live in an absolute monarchy, right? That's not why you moved to Spain, is it? There's a difference between say Saudi Arabia and the UK.

I would agree with this. The Swiss just want to be left alone and forge their own path. They don't like people telling them what to do. They have a strong individual like mode. They know that it's important to be educated because they will be very important to the future of their country. It's imperative that they take responsibility. The Government doesn't spoon feed them anything, the Swiss people feed themselves.

I would love a decentralized system where we control the destiny of the country.

>Greek democracy as you've advocated
You just can't read. Stop assuming stupid things. Greek democracy was just another oligarchy, really. Most people in Athens couldn't vote.

And the police wear the Queen's coat of arms and monogram. It's her duty to know what's going on in these institutions, but okay, she has lots of grouse to shoot up in Aberdeenshire and corgies to play with, I know.

>You do know Britain doesn't live in an absolute monarchy, right?
I don't kid myself that she has no power at all, though. If she had got off her arse and just spoken out about the wrong direction things were going even fifty years ago, we'd be living in a better country today.

That's not what it was in theory. The Roman Republic was hardly a Republic by Sulla, but we still call it that. North Korea is not democratic, but on official documents, it shows up as 'The Democratic Republic of North Korea' or whatever the fuck.

Greek democracy in theory is what you are advocating. Complete control within the hands of the people. How you'd apply this may be different, but the theory is the same.

That's not her place though. And she has immense power. As already stated, she has the power to literally topple the British, Canadian, Australian and New Zealand governments. She just doesn't because there are equally as many checks on her power, as the powers she holds herself.

If the Irish weren't so insecure there wouldn't be any Irish on English cuck porn and that would be a sexual travesty.

So bravo my Irish brothers. Keep fighting the good fight.

>Greek democracy in theory is what you are advocating.
Just shut up about the fucking Greeks, will yer?! Nowt to do with anything whatsoever. God, if anything, the old Germanic Thing would be more pertinent!

>That's not her place though.
Her place is being useful, which she has singularly failed to be.

I wasn't talking about the Greeks. I was talking about Greek democracy which is the theory you are advocating.

>Her place is to be useful.
Her place is to be a constitutional monarch.

Just stay in Spain honestly.

Source?

I need to see it for... research purposes..

>most parts of England have been shat on far worse than you sods could even imagine
Then why have they not done anything? Is the Germanic cuck blood stopping their native Briton blood from rebelling? True Celts keep up the fight for hundreds of years when incestuous cunts are fucking with us.

>Greek democracy which is the theory you are advocating.
This is just weird. Greek democracy isn't a theory. It was a historical reality. I scratch my head at your insistence on pushing this.

>Her place is to be a constitutional monarch.
I sympathise with the Irish who wanted to get out of having to deal with this sort of idiocy.

It's simple: We have the English nation. It's getting fucked over. The old structures are either powerless against this or actively making things worse. Stop worshipping institutions that don't WORK any more. This kind of dullheaded complacency was almost forgivable when we were still the world hegemon, but it's a sad joke today.

No, Greek democracy is entirely seperate from the concept we follow today, which as I said is mostly Roman Repubicanism, which is why we have parliaments.

I'm from Newcastle, not Ireland you stupid fuck.

They tried plenty at various points in time. But the enemy is powerful and global in scale, and you can't pat yourselves on the back either that you've stood against it. You're in the shit now yourselves, too. We're just a bit more closely tied in to the City of London epicentre of it.

We don't want Ireland back not because we don't like you but you need to be protected from mudslimes and Googles. Ireland needs to stay pure from the invasion and if they join us our government will culturally enrich them.

This pretty much. ROI constantly talks about Irish unity, but forget that the only time in history it was ever united was under British rule.

>I'm from Newcastle

My grandad was from Newcastle upon Tyne. You must be some bumpkin from the Shropshire Under Lyme one, as I nowhere in that post made any allusion to you being from ANYWHERE, never mind Ireland.

I know. I realized after re-reading your post. You said "I sympathise with you Irish who have to deal with this" or something and misinterpreted it.

Sorry.

The Irish are truly the niggers of europe.

Only difference is I want the Irish to unify with us because they're actually somewhat useful but want niggers to fuck off.

The Celtcucks are at it again, fucking redheads man.

OLIVER CROMWELL MY GREATEST HERO
KILL ALL POTATO
SMASH POTATO
CRUSH POTATO
MAKE POTATO SOUP

They are beyond redemption, you should invade and genoice the catholic potato scum.

genocide

>I want the Irish to unify with us because they're actually somewhat

I don't actually see what use this would be to either, from a practical point of view, though. Personally, I'd like all British nations to be independent, but then cooperating in a loose alliance, like an inner commonwealth sort of thing, probably with the Antipodeans included if they want to be.

Yeah but then the potatoes have little hissy fits and end up blowing shit up. Fuck niggers, they're the Mudslimes of Europe.

I just don't like how Ireland looks on a map, but like the country its self.

>I'd like all British nations to be independent, but then cooperating in a loose alliance, like
I fucking bet you'd like the most successful union in history to break up so you can finally invade us wouldn't you, you fucking eurospic?

Worry about things closer to home, like how Berwick isn't even in Berwickshire.... ;)

Think how Croatian and Bosnian Serb autists must feel about their ugly map shapes, too. Brutal.

>the most successful union in history
It was, yes. WAS.

Kill yourself, cuck

>the potatoes have little hissy fits and end up blowing shit up

As opposed to establishing an empire across large stretches of the planets surface and oppressing millions of people for centuries. G'luck to ya boyo.

Just consider something for a second. I am in no way looking for Cred Forums acceptance. First of all, on an anonymous platform, this is meaningless. Second, I anticipated nothing but abuse in posting this. Being called a traitor from the insecure closet cases who watch British television, shit all over the Irish language and would see it gone from schools, support British football teams, etc. etc. These people secretly know I have a point but would never admit it. On the other side I expected abuse from the small minded foaming-at-the-mouth section of NI posters stuck in the past and see themselves as having a much more special link with the UK, even though my argument is that we have just as much of a link and deserve every bit as much to be in the UK as them. Finally, while I abhor these two types of dimwit, at least they can string sentences together and their arguments are rooted in some sort of logic.


Unlike this type of cretin, who don't have anything to add other than spouting cuck in an effort to find Cred Forums acceptance. It is these people your acceptance point applies to, not me. They desperately just repeat whatever it is that they think will make their posts popular and they feel as they belong. What's cringeworthy is that they think saying cuck over and over again is in some way edgy and funny. Like they think their words will really sting. Incidentally, the only bad thing I can think of in forging closer links with the UK is if that would follow that we would have closer links with Australia. It truly is in my experience the country with the least going for it. Descendants of criminal scum mixed with people who genuinely are potatoes. Forget eating potatoes, they literally have the IQ of potatoes:

youtube.com/watch?v=XA241Lg70fg

i had a dream last night that ireland would be unified with northern ireland and britain as the united isles.

if i'm ever PM the first place i'm going is Dublin

And in the process spreading European culture to Australia, NZ and North America.

What the fuck did the potatoes achieve? They didn't even get northern Ireland.

Australia is actually the most successful union on the planet today.

Also OP, fuck off back to London you fucking toothless rat.

>defending your uncle over your father

> Defending your father over your uncle

>Unfortunately Ireland will probably never rejoin the UK. It's a shame that the Catholic church is full retard over issues like Abortion and Gay Marriage.

Good, good goyim, tell him how uncultured he is for not accepting our progressive values.

Haha, c'mon, we ought to have strong connections with Ireland AND Australia! Equally. It's shocking the way we can't freely move around, or at least are forced to do so without being considered more of a kinsman than some Dagestani who Stalin sent to work in Lithuania!

Tbh we should annex Ireland.

Traitor to what? Celtic culture died a very long time ago, without England there's no Ireland.

There are too many Mudslimes and niggers in white countries for the free movement of peoples to work, otherwise the EU's policy would've been golden.

We did ye a favour and nearly killed Thatcher in a bombing in the 80's.
Apart from that I'd say the Island of Ireland's biggest impact on European or world history was preserving Christian religion and philosophy after the fall of the Roman Empire.
Music and literature too I guess. Oh, and not invading our neighbours.

>not invading our neighbours
That's because you couldn't. But I meant in terms of spreading European/western culture.

And Christianity in Ireland is very different to what Rome spread. Did a little touch up of your own, did you potato?

You invaded the cowardly way, we did all the blood and sweat then you lot came to whatever and fucked and bred like cockroaches.

Plus the way you treated young girls in catholic schools

Bombing innocent people on buses in London

Us Brits have a colourful history and we are aware of that but stop thinking your shit doesn't stink.

>Apart from that I'd say the Island of Ireland's biggest impact on European or world history was preserving Christian religion and philosophy after the fall of the Roman Empire.
Kudos for that, but you did get these second hand from Patricius Succat, who was from Cumbria.

>Music and literature too I guess.
I'm just being contrary really, but your most popular sort of folk music and dance is just English folk stuff or general European things that you kept going after we lost it thanks to the greater social disruptions we experienced in the 19th and 20th centuries. And your best literature is an intrinsic part of English literature.

>Oh, and not invading our neighbours.
Scotland is named after one such invasion, and Gwynedd after another. ;)

Degenerate.
>666
>T-Thatcher was bad t-trust me
FOS

i posted this earlier

page 180 of "The book of general ignorance" "A quite interesting (QI) book) first publish in 2006.

Q. How long have the celts lived in Britain?

A. Since 21 June 1792.
It was then that a group of London "bards" staged an entirely invented ceremony on Primrose Hill in London, involving a stone circle made from pebbles, and claimed they were reviving a ritual that stretched back to the ancient Celtic nation and its druids.

Prior to this, there is no record of the word 'Celt' having been used to describe pre-Roman inhabitants of Britain or Ireland and it was certainly never a term they used to describe themselves.

The word "Celt" was coined by the Greek historian Herodotus in 450BC when he described the people of the head-waters of the Danube north of the Alps.
The Roman name for such people was Galli ("chicken people") and they called the inhabitants of the British isles Britanni, never Celts.
The use of "Celt" in English dates from the 17th century. A Welsh linguist living in Oxford called Robert Lluyd noted the similarities between the languages spoken in Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Cornwall and Brittany. He called these languages "Celtic" and the name stuck.
The word "Celtic" has also been used to describe the curly-wurly style of design found in Irish gift-shops. There is no evidence to suggest that this was produced by an ethnically homogeneous group of people.

Most historians believe the language and culture we call "Celtic" spread by contact not invasion. People 'became' Celtic by adopting the architecture, fashions and ways of speaking because they were useful or attractive, not because they belonged to the same ethnic group.
The romantic notion of a Celtic Empire of horse-loving master craftsmen, wise old druids, harp-strumming poets, and fierce bearded warriors is the product of the Celtic Revival that started in the late 18TH century.
It has more to do with modern nationalism than with any historical reality.

The Romans called us Brittunculi which meant 'pathetic little Brits' so I think that's what we should all call ourselves.

"Monastic schools in Ireland became centers of excellence for peoples from all over Europe. The historian Bede and an earlier English contemporary, Aldhelm, report that sizeable contingents of English students trained as missionaries in Ireland, specifically at Rath Melsigi, County Carlow, in Leinster. These English monks trained in Ireland in order to convert their pagan relatives on the continent.
During the early decades of the seventh century many Anglo-Saxon nobles were educated at Irish monasteries in northern Britain, specifically at Iona. Bede said that the Irish willingly welcomed the English students, gave them food, and provided them with books and instruction, without seeking any payment. When these Irish-educated English nobles returned to England, they invited Irish missionaries into their pagan kingdoms to evangelize. For example, the Anglo-Saxon King Oswald invited the Irish bishop Aidan from Iona into his kingdom, and Aidan founded the monastery at Lindisfarne on the coast of Northumberland around 635. The English historian Bede shows that Irish missionary activity in northern England was more successful at converting the pagan English than that started by Rome in 597 from Canterbury in the south of England.
Fresh arrivals came from Ireland; the monastery with Columba as its abbot was soon a flourishing institution, from which the Dalriadian Scots in the south and the Picts beyond the Grampians were evangelized. When Columba died in 597, Christianity had been preached and received in every district in Caledonia, and in every island along its west coast. In the next century Iona had so prospered that its abbot, St. Adamnan, wrote in excellent Latin the "Life of St. Columba". From Iona had gone south the Irish Aidan and his Irish companions to evangelize Northumbria, Mercia, and Essex."

That extract is as stupidly simplistic as the phenomenon it is attacking.

There was a Celtic culture, displaying remarkable unity across its vast extent, but whether or not its bearers actually used the word "Celt" is by the bye. There was a thing, regardless of its name. Like the Indo-Europeans - they were the most important thing ever to happen to Europe, and perhaps the world, and yet we don't really know what they called themselves.

>Rome
>595
>The Roman Empire

Well done on proving my point, you degenerate Irish fuck.

>You invaded the cowardly way, we did all the blood and sweat then you lot came to whatever and fucked and bred like cockroaches

I moved to Northern Ireland from the Republic and had 6 children. Half of them are Unionist.

But yeah, that is a legitimate strategy m8. When it works it works. When it doesnt you get Nigel farage and Gerry Adams posters all over the house.

Ill leave this thread now and begin drinking myself unconscious.

>I moved to Northern Ireland from the Republic and had 6 children. Half of them are Unionist.

This ought to be a sitcom.

I think this whole thread proves exactly why Ireland cannot unify with the UK :)

>Scotland is named after one such invasion, and Gwynedd after another. ;)

Oh, I knew that, well about Scotland anyway. I just didn't want to mention it and further upset the historical world view of the butt-hurt eternal Anglos in here.

Says the guy who thinks the Roman Empire existed in 500 AD. Bless us with your superior worldview, potato.

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Doesn't butthurt this Anglo if a bunch of Ultonians go fuck over some Picts and Welshers! My surname is from Galway, anyway... ;)

Gwynedd is not so straightforward as Scotland, but the early form was like "Venedotis" or the like, and has nothing in common with earlier Roman period names in the area. Supposedly related to various obscure Irish words relating to kinship and so on. Part of it, the Lleyn peninsula, is named after Lagin, or Leinster, though, which is nice and cut and dried.

I said 'preserved Christian religious philosophy after the fall of the Roman Empire' not that it existed at that time.'

So to sum up your point, 'they were fucking cunts.' Definitely the advanced argument of a high-IQ statesman. Rubbish too. They did immense good for us and if they had not been interrupted, we would be a more advanced, progressive country. Without having had to have come through a long, bleak period of backwards rule from Rome.

A MESSAGE TO THE BRITISH
ur a bunch of fags
t. The Netherlands

But the Byzantines/Eastern Roman Empire existed in 500 AD so you're wrong about that too.

You're drawing a rather pointless distinction between the Roman secular state and the later Papacy, which obviously was alive and kicking in the 500s. The Bishop of Rome even inherited various titles of the old emperors, like Pontifex Maximus, so you could quite easily argue that the Imperium merely transformed into a new type of organism.

Nothing sadder than being a Euro-ruled republicuck tbhfam. Come home Irish man, come back and live under the monarchy where you belong.

Pretty sure the existence of the Eastern empire has no bearing on this conversation.

The Irish are Pro EU cucks. They won't turn anti EU until the Romanians start invading their country.

Sorry but what? There was no distinction between the Roman Republic/Empire and the future Papacy? I don't know where to start but Pontifex Maximus was the head of the college of priests in Rome, and was never a title used In Rome when it was Christian, unless the Papacy when it meant the Pope. You're also disregarding the fact that the city of Rome had not been the the capital of Rome for a very long time before the collapse in the West.

There were many claimed successor states to Rome, the Eastern Roman Empire had legitimacy, the others didn't but to my knowledge, the Papacy didn't even attempt to make that claim.

>"Ireland preserved Christianity in Europe after the fall of Western Rome"
>The Eastern Roman Empire
>Literally christian as fuck

You're right for the most part loads of ppl are just like "ya EU so gud, they make Ireland gud place", but those ppl are the ignorant horde, and more ppl are waking up to that bullshit, especially since the financial collapse and Ireland having to incure a massive sovereign debt. Fuck the EU in the ear.

Holy shit trips. Kek blessed me

until*

Nobody ever talks about Wales.

Yeah but we were talking about the preservation of Christianity in Western Europe

The majority of Irish people like the Monarchy. Look how warmly received QEII was when she visited in 2011.

It's not quite as simple as that. The reality is a bit more like it is in many countries. Traitorous forces and a poisoned generation of youth are pro-EU. The large nameless, faceless mass of people who never appear in any media stating their view, who are abused and ridiculed for not following the herd, always make their views known on voting day. You may be surprised to know how much Euro-scepticism there is throughout Ireland, outside of the cesspool that is Dublin, which is not Ireland in any real sense. Dublin was a civilised, modern city to be proud of when it was part of the empire. Now it's a joke. The only aesthetically pleasing aspects are buildings that remain from Georgian times.

My Gods, you're so literal minded. Please try to look beyond trivia and legalities to see the underlying realities. The Eternal City had immense notional value, even once the administration had moved elsewhere. And there is still an imperial figure sat on a throne there, in spite of all and everything. Sure, he's an Argie commie who licks fuzzywuzzy's toes, but even so.

And a Christian emperor sold the title to the pope one time anyway, so it was obviously something in his possession, even if he didn't like to write it on his coins or arches.

Oh we are, are we?
Well why was that not specified, ya know, in one of your last five posts?

>Apart from that I'd say the Island of Ireland's biggest impact on European or world history was preserving Christian religion and philosophy after the fall of Rome

I find it immensely ironic that the IRA died for nothing. They died to have Irish sovereignty and then transferred it en masse to the EU. lel

Because Rome was a literal civilization, with real life people who talked and walked just like us and called themselves Romans. They had an identity, they had governments, rulers and Rome is, by far, the most important civilisation in all of western history. You can't assign that to anyone else.

Rome had value. That's why the Barbarians sacked it, even though Patavium was closer albeit much better defended, but it wasn't the capital.

Another point, the title of Caesar/Augustus was granted by the Roman Senate. Without a Roman Senate, there was no Rome.

Well Britain and America don't have a history of being Christians of the Eastern Orthodox persuasion now do they? No, no they don't. You're arguments have holes big enough to stick my cock in your mum.

Irish monasticism DID preserve a great deal that had been allowed to slip into oblivion in Hispania, Gallia, Italia and even Nova Roma in the East, though. Charlemagne sent for an Englishman to teach Latin in Paris, Alcuin of York, who came from the Irish tradition of Christian learning that Kings Osweald and Osweo had planted in Northumbria on their return from asylum in Ireland and Iona. Osweo's sone Aldfrith was even a a noted poet and scholar in the Irish language. The Christianity that had survived on the western part of the Continent at the time had given up on this sort of thing, and was more about political scheming and dressing in fancy gowns.

>claims Rome existed in 500 AD
>finds out it didn't
>"yeah well i said after, not during it"
>claims Ireland preserved Christianity in Europe after the fall of Rome
>the Eastern Roman Empire
>"yeah but i meant western europe"
>points out that western europe wasn't mentioned
>" god your arguments have big enough holes to stick my cock in"

Nice try potato, nice try.

But not in the whole of Europe, which is what this degenerate claimed over and over until he had to change it.

> and called themselves Romans.

Patrick called himself a Roman, and so did Gildas. The identity long outlived the Empire.

>Another point, the title of Caesar/Augustus was granted by the Roman Senate. Without a Roman Senate, there was no Rome.
Are you the same one who was referencing constitutional case law before? That sort of autism isn't helpful. Rome stood before there was even a senate or a princeps. And it still stands today, perhaps as powerful as ever in some ways.

There was also a Senate under the Roman Kingdom. Only it was an advisory council to the king It just changed it's function over time. Nothing is known about how early kings ("Rex") were appointed since Rome was sacked so many of its early beginnings are mythological, but the assumption is they were assigned that right in the same way that future Emperors were, which was by selection or birthright.

My personal opinions on governments have no value when discussing the functions of an actual historical government so why is that relevant?

As for the title, Romans today call themselves Romans but it refers to the city. The title lasted as long as Rome its self lasted, and until the last generation of Romans died off. Both in the East and West, though by the fall of the Eastern Empire there was very little 'Roman' left about them.

Yeah, I'd forgotten how all those missionaries from Byzantium came and Christianised Britain and the rest of the world. They evangelised in and around Greece, the biggest impact the eastern church had was showing the Slavs what Jesus was about. That's it. Just admit that you're wrong, mate. And that you'd be a nature worshipping Swede if it wasn't for Potatoe missionaries in the early dark ages

I'm just going to keep sending you here

and here (the bottom bit)

What is all this pedantry even for? Your understanding of these matters is trivia-based. Romulus and Remus didn't sit down for senate sessions with the shewolf, did they? ;)

There are still people living today who call themselves Roman in a sense that is not connected to the city as such. In the Balkans, in other parts of Italy, in several different parts of the Alps, and so on. In earlier times, the name lingered on a very long while in parts of the Frankish and Gothic kingdoms too. There was never a "last generation of Romans".

It's relevant because you said that Rome existed long before a Senate. That's not true. The Senate always existed in Rome. Under the kingdom, republic and empire.

Me mentioning that we don't know how kings were appointed is to do with my point on how emperors had to be approved by the Senate, similar to how US Presidents need to be approved by congress.

..and those people are degenerates.

Updated comment, butt-hurt Anglo edition:

Ireland's biggest impact on Western European civilisation (and therefore the world) was preserving Christian religion and philosophy in Western Europe after the fall of the West Roman Empire.
Happy now? You knew the Spirit and meaning of what I was trying to convey in my original statement, only a retard or POS could have mistaken and obfuscated it otherwise. your lvl of butt-hurt is just too astronomical to admit it

American Irish protestant here. Papists are scum. Rule Britannia.

No, I didn't. I genuinely thought you meant that Ireland was responsible for the preservation of Christianity in Europe entirely. That's what you said word for word. You still aren't responsible entirely for the preservation of Christianity in western Europe.

Fucking HELL, man, forget it. It's obvious what he bleeding meant.

I will never over state a point for rhetorical reasons on Cred Forums ever again

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Good on you OP If you joined it would improve your economy as well. When it comes to the UK strength through unity is actually true and no matter what at least your country doesn't moan as much as the Scottish.

We were literally having a discussion about Ireland's effect on the world (in fact it wasn't even that) and this fucking degenerate states that Ireland preserved Christianity in Europe, after the Roman Empire in 500 AD. So obviously I was going to inquiry about the Eastern Roman Empire, and the fact that Western Rome was long gone by 500 AD.

It wasn't obvious what he meant. Europe is bigger than western Europe.

It's also the first time I've heard the theory that the Irish preserved Christianity entirely, since to my understanding there were missionaries from Jerusalem and Armenian in Western Europe at that time period as well.

It doesn't matter where you are either. /pol or historum.com - if you are discussing a serious topic, make a serious point.

I don't give a single fuck about Ireland.

Pedant, go for a break.

Yes, Ireland should embrace our cuckoldry.
Even our capital is a shithole now.

Hang on!!!

>there were missionaries from Jerusalem and Armenian in Western Europe

What in the FUCK?

Not until you finish an argument you've started because you haven't so far. Still waiting on that monarchy response, and the response to my post about Rome.

The other guy isn't worth a response. He's started an argument on a false narrative and then changed said false narrative into a semi-truth.

Thanks lads, that was a great laugh

t. true-blooded Gael

we invaded scotland.

Aw fer fuck's sake. A´m gunna take my own advice. See yer later! Slan leibh a huile!

>Pedant
Kek'd.
I'll be more specific in future, wouldn't want to risk worsening Irish-Anglo relations. His criticism of my wording is valid, as I'm aware of all the same historical facts he is. It's my own fault for not specifying the exact details in my shit posts.

Fucking Dubs

There were Armenians, Pontic Greeks and Roman (using the word correctly since Jerusalem was actually Roman) missionaries mentioned on inscriptions in western Europe dating to around the collapse of western Rome.

>The one that blew shit up until they were cucked into becoming PIRA or whatever the fuck.

Which IRA?

I don't know about that, I think any chance to keep Ireland a permanent member of the U.K. ended after Ireland went to shit after 1800

You might have gotten over forced conscription, white slavery but you weren't going to get over a percieved genocide

Well done. You've now ran out on three points you've made in this thread.

Here Here and here

>he doesn't know that the Roman Empire fell in 1453

Fucking English Wankshite

Not a Dub, you dope. It might help if you broaden your mind a bit beyond
>hurr durr Dublin people are west brits.

This West Brit thing usually comes from Irish with an inferiority complex who are overly sensitive to any criticism of Ireland or any positive mention of anything British. So they cling to this 'West Brit' thing as they are afraid sometimes when the truth hurts about this corrupt little country with ideas above its station.

>implying there was anything Roman about the Byzantines in 1453

>It's a shame that the Catholic church is full retard over issues like Abortion and Gay Marriage.

HAHAHAHAHAHA kill yourself mate, fucking shameful.

But that's not the point. We were discussing the city of Rome and the western empires legacy.

Joining the commonwealth, allying with Britain, free trade, all that shit can be done and should be done. Rejoining the UK is unnecessary. But as it stands the UK is too toxic right now, rad. leftism and moslem/immigrant worship infect it's society even post Brexit (a move in the right direction), and it may be bad enough to the point that the UK may fall. So it's not wise to get closer to that mess

Obviously the Irish weren't thrilled about the EU because they voted against it twice and it was forced down their throats anyway.

Ireland itself needs to get rid of it's religious bullshit and move more towards an american style constitutional republic.
Blasphemy laws are the kind of shit that can really fuck up order because the EU is forcing muslims down everyones throat

kill urself cuck

>Ireland itself needs to get rid of it's religious bullshit and move more towards an american style constitutional republic.
this is the dumbest thing ive ever read

ehh ..like scotland but even shittier

>Hurr durr cuck
kys, bogbrain

The majority opinion in our country would be that you are a supplicant to a foreign political power. Have some dignity, I'm sure most patriotic Anglos with any understanding of nationalism agree with me and would abhor this sort of traitorous ideation.

>by the terror of Roman Catholic Church rule

kys

The fact of the matter is Britain doesn't deserve to rule over Ireland after their gross negligence of the Irish population during the potato blight. They put the interests of the island of Britain far ahead of Ireland and treated the Irish people like slaves not allowing them access to their own land and food, letting them die in hunger in their millions and millions more having to sail to the new world- overall halving the population of the island in the process.

If Britain had shown any degree of competence or compassion with regards to their ruling of Ireland we would probably be a united isles today. But their refusal to consider the Irish as equal Britons within the union rightly manifested itself in a resurgent Irish nationalism which eventually led to independence.

If you mistreat your possessions you tend to lose them and that's what happened to the UK and ROI. The English, Scottish or Welsh would never have put up with bring treated the way the Irish were treated in the C19.

>supplicant to a foreign political power.
More nonsense. Having the opinion that your country would be better off rejoining the political union that beneffited it most historically, and that makes most sense for the future, is entirely reasonable.

>traitorous ideation.

It's easy to see the lack of an argument on your part when you default to emotions and histrionics because someone has a different opinion of what's best for your country.

Gaelic culture still exists it's just anglicized. The actual Gaelic culture only died out in 1950.

>The fact of the matter is Britain doesn't deserve to rule over Ireland after their gross negligence of the Irish population

and what? do you seriously believe the English working class population was treated any better? Thousands of children dying in mines/factories, homeless everywhere and education non-existent. Entire generations of english/scottish/welsh/irish young men thrown into constant wars and meat grinders across empire.

The truth is there were Irish Governors and officers in the colonies lording over coolies and sipping gin just like there were Scottish and Englishmen.

The Irish died in droves because they relied entirely on one food source, if it occurred in Scotland, the north of England or wales I highly doubt the outcome would have been any different.

you are a simpleton

pls have cancer

>The Irish died in droves because they relied entirely on one food source

Oh dear, at least learn about what you're talking about.

They were forced to rely exclusively on the potato crop because all the other food (of which there was more than enough to feed the native population) was being exported to Britain. They worked the 'cash crop' fields for a pittance and then were left with the worst land for themselves which could only produce potatoes.

You think there weren't loads of farms with cattle on them?

>Throughout the entire period of the Famine, Ireland was exporting enormous quantities of food. In the magazine History Ireland (1997, issue 5, pp. 32–36), Christine Kinealy, a Great Hunger scholar, lecturer, and Drew University professor, relates her findings: Almost 4,000 vessels carried food from Ireland to the ports of Bristol, Glasgow, Liverpool, and London during 1847, when 400,000 Irish men, women, and children died of starvation and related diseases. She also writes that Irish exports of calves, livestock (except pigs), bacon, and ham actually increased during the Famine.

It's hilarious they you don't realise there was plenty of farms with food just like England except it was all going to the ports under armed guard so it could go to Britain. If you tried to interfere you were treated like a criminal so the only choice was to die, get locked up or get on a boat to America.

Unleash the Irish wolfhounds on the OP and chase him down like the google that he is. Chase him down and tear him apart like they did in the old days.....feeling nostalgic.

You all have anglo blood over there you dopey cunt.


that shit has been mixing for 100's of years.

>you are a simpleton

Well, you've really put me to shame with your nuanced argument. Stupid cunt.

OP is a true Irish patriot

He sees the best for Irish civilisation is be uplifted and advanced by its association and integration with British civilisation


All the other Irish posters are the equivalent of niggers still harping on about muh slavery and gibmedats while they live in their ghetto republic and its fixation of being a social democrat character for 1/64th Americans

Live long OP, for you are the true Irish nationalist

I've given arguments already, just scroll up.
And your notion that Ireland benefitted most historically from union with Britain is fucking insane.

A supplicant def: someone who begs earnestly for something he or she wants.
Britain: a foreign power

Where is the nonsense exactly?

>Abortion
>Good

>The truth is there were Irish Governors and officers in the colonies lording over coolies and sipping gin just like there were Scottish and Englishmen.
Yeah, Protestant members of the Anglo-Irish aristocracy. The majority Catholic population had no power or wealth. If it was all sweet for Irish citizens within the empire why do you think rebellions occurred.