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>Switzerland
>socialist
Also if Australia is socialist because of welfare then so is the US and pretty much every first world countrt

>le welfare state=socialism meme
Pic related, what true socialism looks like

Free market economies

Right it's definitely socialism. It has nothing at all to do with pic related dragging the numbers down

Mixed economies with small socialist elements like welfare, subsidized education, and subsidized health care.

Wrong kind of socialism though:(

I don't think you know what Socialism is...

What about Venezuela? China? North Korea? Vietnam? Belarus?

>Wow homogeneous countries that spend less and 1% on defence have more money to spend on welfare!!
>Who would have thought!!!!!

>Social democracy = socialism

Kys

YEAH WE'RE DOING JUST FINE

What do you mean? I love eating trash

They're calling them "socialist democracies" lol

>Netherlands
>socialist

Keynesian states

I am. Got a comfy job and apartment.

we are not socialist

Last time I checked, all those countries still had property rights, which is a big no-no in socialism.

>Switzerland (socialist)

Empty water aisle at a wallmart?

Come on bro even the signs are english.

Venezuela it is not.

This can't be taken seriously...there is no prosperity with the debt these nations carry.

US has become more socialistic/communist by incorporating regulations that stifle prosperity.

This

What is the correct term for this countries, Mixed Economies?

>switzerland
>socialist

no

>Finland
>number 8

Finland is like 10000trillion is debt and taxation at 50+%

edward bellamy made socialist and hes a american.

communism is not socialism but USSR was a socialism communism republic

>Venezuela
>North Korea
>China
>Cuba
>USSR
>German Democratic Republic
>Yugoslavia
>Czekhoslovakia
>Socialist Republic of Romania
etc.

Hmm

All white countries, some with populations smaller than a major city in the US, they don't spend a lot of money on defense since the US has it covered thanks to NATO so they have money to put into their social programs.

My question is when are the eurofags going to pay us for practically being their military for the last 50 years

This picture makes no mention of how they determine "prosperity". I estimate it by GDP PPP per capita, in which case most of those countries are behind the United States. In fact, the only countries ahead of the United States, by such a measure, are city-state trade hubs, low-population oil-rich nations, and Switzerland. The two relevant European countries, Norway and Switzerland, are economic safe-havens outside the control of the EU and led by right-wing governments.

Link related: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

>broke into the top 10 prosperous countries when we're the youngest on the list
Sounds like Capitalism is doing just fine

Yep. Only one of those countries on this list have a bunch of people on welfare and illegals eating up valuable capital.

>list of countries that are white
really makes you think

1/3 of the nation is on welfare? Jesus Christ.

None of these are socialist.

They operate under a model of redistributive capitalism.

The markets are out in full force, but much of their product is taken from them in order to fund social programs.

KEK at Switzerland being called Socialist! They're one of the most pro-market countries in the world.

>socialist
>some of the most succesful capitalist trading and production countries in the fucking world

Socialists only ever call something socialist when it suits them. I've had socialists laugh in my face for suggesting that we live under socialist governments because "lol social democracy is not true socialism".

We suffer from socialism. We have socialism hampering our progress. That does not mean we are socialists. That means we have socialists living in our countries, wanting to destroy them. And by God, this infection must be fought.

Death to socialism!

Better information relating US social spending is this from the OECD for the most recent year in which they've published data. Social spending (the state seizing some profits for redistribution) isn't exactly the same thing as Socialism (the state seizing the means of production for redistribution), but none of the countries listed have seized the means of production. We'd need to look to Venezuela, Cuba, and North Korea for that activity.

>Canada
>socialist
Brb let me go pay $500 for my medication and wait 8 months for an xray

And the American descendents of all those euros are doing better than their europoor cousins.
>still top ten even with all the darkies and democrats dragging us down
Feels p. good, though it's getting worse.

Literally none of those countries are socialist. Welfare =/= Socialism

You're better than that, Pablo.

>Canada
>Socialist
nice meme

HOLY SHIT WE ARE NOT FUCKING SOCIALIST
Why do Amerishit communists always list us under that category, just because we have universal healthcare and a few gibs programs?

>My question is when are the eurofags going to pay us for practically being their military for the last 50 years

You wanted this, bro. You basically turned is into vassal states after the war. This is 100% your doing. Don't cry about it now.

I'll make you a deal: We'll pay you back with the proceeds from the colonies you made us give up.

How do you think that chart was 30 years ago, retard?

Norway also qualifies as a low-population oil-rich nation senpai

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The person who called them that has no idea what they're talking about. Socialism involved seizing the means of production, which none of those countries have done.

because that's what socialism means to the average american leftist

I hear this all the time from americans but nato does absolutely nothing to protect europe

Prosperity, is the most vague and abstract concept to rate a country by. Literally open to anyone's interpretation.

Why don't you try controlling for population and look at GDP per capita.

also:
>Switzerland
>socialist

5/10 good bait

now, list them by % of white population

also isn't Sweden going to be 3rd world within the next couple of decades according to some official projection?

I know. This is why I didn't list it separately like I did with Switzerland.

> Switzerland
> Socialist
REEEE DELET THIS

Norway isn't Socialist you dimwitted cunt. If anything we're "Democratic socialists" if anything, but those can't be compared in the slightest.

It's like saying Communism == National Socialism.

Idiot user.

This really stimulates my brain cells

Now post Venezuela OP?

nypost.com/2016/09/21/socialisms-left-venezuela-a-walking-dead-nation/

Better dead than red
Cuckold

>Everything I don't understand is communism.

Made it earlier. But I'm on mobile. If someone here saved it please post.

Lets see the %of whites in those countries

Hmm, all the whitest countries on earth.

Really makes me regret the 1965 immigration act and slavery

I would rather be poor and white

Prosperity is bad

It attracts the scum of the world to leech

Brexit needs to bankrupt Britain so no more will come and the poorest in our society will suffer

LOL most of those are oil countries with small populations. Try again faggot.

It's almost like... those are countries never touched by actual socialism? And thus can bear the weight of social programs on the backs of private industry? And it's not like EVERY western country is a similar degree of socialist nowadays????

>sveeden
>white

Democratic socialism is not socialism.
It's capitalism via nanny state.
Super welfare fueled by high taxes does NOT mean the workers are in control of production.

read the wording very carefully here
>ranked by PROSPERITY

according to who? what a joke.

also side not most of these countries arnt socialist

read pic related to see how wrong OP is

>Socialism
uggh
Being born and living in the close to ancap paradise know as Peru, just reading that word make me ill

I guess its just a coincidence that these high prosperity countries also have high suicide rates.

Finland is not socialist! Down with the communists!

do not heed the false prophet of Marxism, it ruins all in the end

communism is seizing production for redistribution
socialism is seizing wealth for redistribution

You can be a capitalist state with a socialist government.

Communism is the end game of socialism.
It's not the same but that's semantics.

not the youngest

that's what happens when even somebody working 50 hours a week can't make a living wage

None of these are marxist. They are jewed welfare states with retarded high taxes.

>The Great Democratic People's Republic of Korea

None of these.

The democratically elected partise do not give social and democratic control over production and labour.

Idiot fake America

NATO does nothing to protect Europe, most Europeans don't care about us being there and our leaders are whoring our military out.

I blame my leaders and EUs leaders for this and when I see some American liberal post shit like OPs and not know the circumstances that led to it, it rustles my jimmies

These are nanny states. Socialism is not capitalism with high taxes to fund huge welfare programs.

google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1CHAB_enUS435US435&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=socialism
You are literally guessing and misinforming people.

OP is gone and isnt trying. This was a bad a bait post as natsoc threads.

Post a non-gif so I can zoom in
>inb4 >phoneposter

JUST

Capitalistic nanny states.
You can also call them democratic socialists.
They aren't socialist unless the workers control production. That's the main aspect.

>countries where the means of production are 90+% private owned
>socialist

>Belarus

None of those countries are socialist. They are all free market democracies that pursue largely neo-liberal policies.

>all true Scotsman

>lists all white countries

kek

>not REAL Americans

>Any of those
>Socialist
Is this a bait thread?

>If you have a country of all whites
>What is balkans and east europe

None of those 10 countries is socialist.

It's not like I want to have a weak military, either. Look at how well it worked out for us in WWII. And now we have the same exact thing happening, with the politicians again thinking them fluffing each other is bringing about world peace.

Our leaders are bunch of feeble-minded, wishy-washy idiots, and I'm partway convinced they ruined our military so they can pretend there's a need to create an EU army. You know, because of the whole "we don't have tanks and proper ships now, and that's totally because we don't have the money, and not because of us choosing to spend it on African dictators and usless foreign missions instead".

I'd legit hang all the bastards who ruined the military for treasons. Don't doubt it. Many European leaders deserve death according to our laws.

>Western socialism is the same as Post-Soviet pseudo-"Socialism"

Besides, they aren't doing that bad.
if you knew anything of Belaruse you would be aware Luka prefers his kingdom to remain between both Europe and Russia on as good terms as possible.

>China
Capitalist since the 1970s.
>Venezuela
Oil-based capitalism on steroids with some socialist elements
>North Korea
Ruled by Juche, which is basically fascism or autarky.
>Vietnam
Somewhat communistic. It's liberalized somewhat though.
>Belarus
Not communist or socialist; the last Marxist-Leninist state in Europe dissolved in 1992.

>implying all of those were the same as each other

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le epic XD

Who do the top 9 countries have in common?

They are whiter than USA.

A socialist USA wouldn't work because of niggers.

How does it feel that a toothpaste is above you?

youtube.com/watch?v=kOnIp69r6vg

When socialists are pointed towards countless examples of failed-states and murderous communist regimes they decry it as "not real socialism". When they want to show an example of the success of socialism they take 9 countries that are examples of capitalist market economies and say "this is true socialism".

Nice strawman.

>Switzerland
>Socialist

What

Prosperity....

I've lived in Norway. I have more money and I'm far happier in bumfuck nowhere USA. If I'm less "prosperous" then so be it.

>Switzerland
>socialist
Wew lad.

yeah and they are all getting cucked to dead. Ironically socialist countries are too civilized to survive because they embrace the wave of barbarians that are invading them.
They were thriving till now because they were white countries. Mark my words, 50 years from now all those countries will be in ruins.

Maybe if niggers learned to save money and not shit out 5 kids they can't afford.

Also
>niggers
>working 50 hours a week
>working at all

lol

>North Korea
>State Capitalism

I bet you smoke crack you google

Sweden has a lower corpet tax rate than usa and more economical freedoms.

Also all those Nations are white

>he thinks slavs are white

>Mark my words, 50 years from now all those countries will be in ruins.

Or, alternatively, they'll be 99% white fascist states with restrictive laws, but ironclad economies.

Not a strawman to point out an argument that is given constantly. Including in this thread. It would have been a strawman if I refuted an argument which hadn't been given. socialists are retarded. you included.

>no true scotsman

All of them a capitalist

>that is given constantly
where? I've yet to see any socialist with triple digits iq pointing out scandinavian countries as successful socialist countries.

But i've seen the Scandinavian countries be pointed out as successful democratic socialist, which is not the same thing.

SWEDEN IS AHEAD OF THE USA
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Exactly. Define prosperity.

Your average middle class American family has WAY more square feet of living space, an actual yard, multiple cars, access to better health care with shorter wait times, and enough money to dine out a few times a month and perhaps take the whole family down to Miramar Beach for 7-10 days over the summer on their own dime using their own vacation days (not government mandated time off bullshit that was never earned). Your average American kid doesn't have to share a bedroom with a sibling, and the average middle class home has more than one full bathroom.

The living standards in America make the rest of the world look like a shithole. Or so says my wife, an immigrant from Europe.

>New Zealand
>Prosperous

Jesus Christ. This is a facebook tier shitty meme made for mentally challenged "libruls". It's not hard to debunk it.

>access to better healthcare with shorter wait times
I wonder what was left out of this sentence :^)

Yeah last time I went to South Auckland it looked like someone dropped an aids nuke in that shit.

Every country on that list is more prosperous than our poor irrelevant country.

>going to the worst part of the country
What did you expect?

None of those countries are socialist you retard
Creating a welfare state is not the same thing as socialism.

America is socialist as fuck. We have income tax, estate tax and social security, eminimate domaine, national banking and industries controlled by the EPA or agriculture.

Where's the national socialism?

tbqh I felt people on the north shore were the worst of the country.

>capitalism with high taxes and welfare is socialism now

wew lad guess the US is socialist now

ironically i did abit of fact checking and i think the actual facts are even weirder than this but take it with a pinch of salt.

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I am not. As per your definition, it advocates communism. This I agree with on the whole.

Socialism IS a system of redistributing wealth in a capitalist state. Read this highlighted portion (in pic) of your provided link and tell me I'm wrong.

>Brb let me go pay $500 for my medication and wait 8 months for an xray
You mean die in a waiting line?

damn it, i meant to include (You) in this post:

even in that transitional period it talks about taking private means of production and redistributing them
the communist part in marxism is the abolishment of government afterwards

so you are still wrong dude

>As per your definition, it advocates communism.
No, like you mentioned in your pic, it's part of marxist theory. Marx theorized that eventually, a socialist state would turn communist.

>Socialism IS a system of redistributing wealth in a capitalist state.
No, socialism is democratization of the means of production

lol almost none of these countries is socialist. It's just capitalism with not treating people like trash

Sweden, Finnland and Norway have a lot of natural resources. The US is a country with the size and population where it "could" be a continent on it's own. Most of the countries listed will probably never rely on having a strong military and put their money in there.

(((Free)))

What the hell does 'prosperity' mean? Certainly probably doesn't have anything to do with business opportunities. It's much more difficult to be a self-made man that doesn't rely on the state if you live in a high tax high reg shithole; not saying that America is perfect but there's a reason the biggest companies didn't develop in fucking Norway

They'll soon fall off this top ten, if they haven't already

Countries ranked by level of whiteness

1. Norway

2. Switzerland

3. New Zealand

4. Denmark

>Socialism

you mean social constitutionalism you fucking retarded pieces of shit

One day, a german fat fuck, realised it would be politically cheaper to just welfare the germans instead of mass killing dissenters, saving central european capitalismus.

But dude, free mediocre healthcare for all = prosperity

>You mean die in a waiting line?
Like americans?

news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/

>New study finds 45,000 deaths annually linked to lack of health coverage

Oh my...

Switzerland, why is your flag a square?

>Norway
Where the hell is that?

Income redistribution is socialism, no amount of autism will change this. You're taking from one person and giving it to another, one hasn't earned it by the way. It relies on government intervention, I .E the people, taking what isnt theirs and distributing it. Socialism

>free mediocre healthcare
Like american one?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate

USA is nigger tier

>health coverage is the same as waiting in line

Now rank them by wealthiest individuals, business, etc. The USA is rich as fuck, that's undeniable. You just have to get off your lazy ass to get a part of it.

Fuck off google

>dying because he can't afford healthcare is not the same as waiting in a line

How many canadians died because they didn't have access to healthcare?

Go ahead and find out how many.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
USA is nigger tier once again

>None of those are socialist economies you dumb fuckin' google; they're mixed economies at best. You just proved our fuckin' point

45,000 deaths oh my god how awful.
>nation of 300,000,000 people
Oh wait lol who cares.

Every country on that list is a capitalist welfarist state. There is no such thing as socialism in those countries. Adopting welfare programs and using tax revenues to provide gibs does not make a country socialist. Socialism is central planning of the economy and common ownership of the means of production, not using tax revenues from high oil production to subsidize free education and healthcare (as in the case of Norway, which will suffer when the oil runs out or suffers a price drop).

yeah fat fucks will do that in a country of 320 million

Why do people advocate so heavily for Socialism if every single person on this earth has a different definition of it?

3 words.
gibs
me
that

Actually all of those countries are known as mixed market. They are not socialist get that out of your subhuman low tier spic head.

But USA shits on other systems for the supposed "people that died waiting for treatment", but when asked to give sources, americans never produce them. But i gave you a source of the exact same thing that you accused our systems of commiting happening in "nº1" USA.

Get BTFO retard

also
>edgy

>Norway ranked 1

Must be really nice to have a homogenous and industrious population, a valuable export that the entire world needs, while also having your entire defense budget covered by the United States.

Let's compare them in a vacuum next time. Puerto Rico is shit.

I understand what you are saying but I wasn't one of those anons
I was just saying 45k is more due to fat fucks and a large population than healthcare issues
especially since you can go to a hospital and get treatment anyways

Flags should be universal across the internet.

I want the retards who perpetuate images like the OP across social media to see just who is mocking their retarded shit.

The sheer fact that half the flags in this thread are from the image should say everything.

>especially since you can go to a hospital and get treatment anyways
But these 45k couldn't go.

These 45k deaths are not some fat fuck that had a hearth attack and couldn't get in hospital in time. This 45k deaths are people who died because they couldn't afford healthcare.

Their forcing refugees onto all the most prosperous countries? That did make me think...

When the ground for the success was laid down, it was.

Too bad it is going to take the demise of it all for people to realise.

couldn't afford healthcare and decided not to go or couldn't afford it and turned away?
chances are its because they chose not to go

and how many were fat fucks that could have avoided it all by eating less?

not this faggot again

>chances are its because they chose not to go
Yeah, because their life would be economically ruined if they went to hospital.

>and how many were fat fucks that could have avoided it all by eating less?

useless speculation. Having a fat population is one defect of your nation healthcare

Go cry somewhere else poorfag

The government and the world owes you nothing. Buy your own healthcare or die on the steets, and keep your cocksucker closed while you're at it

>people choosing to kill themselves slowly over time is other peoples responsibility

m8...

and you don't know how debt or healthcare works here either they would be just fine but they are retarded and believed the left boogeyman

>Successful european countries are socialist because there are liberal
We have privatised public transport over here.
You can't board a train with less than 20 euros on your card.
You never get to use the 20 euros

Are Nordic countries really socialists, though?
The state owns the means of production?

So if we can just figure out how to stop being human and become some sort of robotic hive-mind, socialism just might work.

Not even one of these countries is socialist, amigo trujillo.

Someone post the smuggie

NatSoc is the only acceptable form of socialism

The only reason the socialism in OPs pic works is because of homogenous, small populations

Literally not an argument. Traditionally only Western and Northern Europeans have been considered white, with Irish excluded. Just because people misuse the terms does not make it a "no true scotsman". Slavs are Caucasian but they are not white according to classical definition.

t. Chardonita

How does it feel to be irrelevant in all aspects?

hurr, swiss are socialists

Swiss have lower taxes than US.
Swiss have better labor laws ( for business) that the US.
Swiss have better gun laws that the US

>is other peoples responsibility
no, but the fact that people willingly kill themselves just to avoid going to hospital is a sign that something is wrong with your healthcare.

And then Cred Forumstards don't know why Bernie was close to winning the nomination

>or die on the streets
Apparently americans have a 100 times higher chance compared to Portuguese

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_homeless_population

>Portugal, 0.002% chance of being homeless
>America, 0.2%chance

Even in this USA is nigger tier

wow its like you totally ignored the 2nd half of my post because you are fucking retarded and don't actually understand what is going on in the US

>Traditionally only Western and Northern Europeans have been considered white
No, you fucking retard. "White" was a term coined by colonialists to distinguish themselves in a caste system. White as absolutely no meaning outside of colonies. History did not start in victorian england

>Traditionally only Western and Northern Europeans have been considered white, with Irish excluded.
No, this is victorian english definition. Why are americans always so clueless about everything?

>communism is seizing production for redistribution
By that definition Norway is communist.
Statoil is state owned and the profits goes to a sovereign investment fund that fuels the budget.

that would also mean hitler was actually much more communist than norway even though people keep calling him a centrist

You say this as if homelessness is something that happens to respectable, functioning Americans, and not something that happens to drug addicts, mentally ill, trust fund crusty punks, and stupid niggers.

And you totally ignored my post and resorted to call me names and mentioned that little evasion tactic (HURR DURR YOU DON'T UNDERSTANND!!! ONLY SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE AMERICANS UNDERSTAND!!!!!)

So did 45k people dies in the USA because they couldn't access healthcare or not?

wow who would have thought that 9 countries with the vast majority of white people are better than a country that's 30% spics and 15% niggers

my perception of the world is shattered

no shit that socialism fucking works when the country is all white, and has a population of only 5 million (norway)

try doing that in the US, supporting a population of over 350 million with socialism, and also there are many basketball americans

>that would also mean hitler was actually much more communist than norway
No, because nazi germany never actually nationalized industries, he did exactly the opposite. IG Farben became the largest (or 2nd or 3rd, can't remmeber exactly) company in the world under nazi germany. German companies plundered occupied countries.

Like i said, why are Americans so authoritative about subjects they don't have any clue about?

>So did 45k people dies in the USA because they couldn't access healthcare or not

Yes and I don't care

I already explained they could get healthcare because of how debt and healthcare actually works here

they chose not to
and I wasn't saying only americans understand but you clearly don't understand which is why you keep being retarded

>prosperous countries
>needs the US for Defense

A prosperous country can stand on it's own, if the US hadn't spent billions of dollars over the past half century protecting Europe all those "socialist" countries would be speaking Russian right now.

This

>no true scotsman

>and not something that happens to drug addicts, mentally ill, trust fund crusty punks, and stupid niggers.
>implying other countries don't have this same problems

But nice evade. Why is USA always nigger tier in every chart we find? (except GDP and military expenditure)

>Why is USA always nigger tier in every chart we find?
because we have a lot of niggers
I thought you would understand moortugal

>edgy

But USA is the only developed country in wich people die in great numbers because they couldn't afford healthcare.

>>needs the US for Defense
source?

>confusing socialism with welfare states

Right, if you remove niggers US has the highest income per person.

Also, those socialist countries only rank ahead in average household income before taxes.

Also the US GDP is bigger than all of them combined.

Because we have a lot of niggers you stupid idiot. Imagine if we were a full-blown socialist nation and paid for these net drains on society. It's sort of like how Portugal has a mediocre standard of living when compared to other Western Nations; because you're all Moorish rape babies.

I read socialist as white

So countries with a higher % of white people are better off then us. Really gets my neurons racing.

>But USA is the only developed country in wich people die in great numbers because they couldn't afford healthcare.
yeah and they die because they don't know how it works and are scared by the left
its not because they are forcibly stopped from getting care
they are also having that happen because they are fat fucks that eat too much
its literally their own fault

>because we have a lot of niggers
Ahhh, what would white trash do if they didn't have niggers to blame all their problems?

So your final argument is muh niggers?

Who comes up with this shit?
According to this, any state with any amount of welfare is considered socialist, when in fact all first world countries avoid having people starve in the streets so they hand out some kind of welfare.

>nigger tier
>it has nothing to do with niggers

no there are lots of white trash that contribute to issues but niggers are a much bigger problem

Technically yes. The real argument is that if you're not fit in American society you become homeless or die before you go to the hospital. That's the way it is. My main point is that we don't take care of our niggers like your precious borderline commie cuck nations do.

Sage

Mixed economies, you retarded spic. The only Socialist countries around today are North Korea, China, Venezuela, Cuba, Laos and Vietnam.

>It's sort of like how Portugal has a mediocre standard of living when compared to other Western Nations;
source?

>its not because they are forcibly stopped from getting care
Making healthcare more expensive than one can afford is forcibly stoping someone from getting healthcare

But nice evade you are doing. Completely avoiding the points such as
>But USA is the only developed country in which people die in great numbers because they couldn't afford healthcare.
You think this is not a problem.

>swiss
>socialist

And you didn't even sage

Schrodinger's Socialism:
When we compare prosperity or violence all those 9 top countries are true capitalists.
When we need to criticize all the superior politics about human rights we call them socialists.

I don't like niggers. But i'm not a dumb racist skinhead to blame all my problems on niggers.

>My main point is that we don't take care of our niggers like your precious borderline commie cuck nations do.
No, you treat them much more nicely. It envolves your wifes

>My main point is that we don't take care of our niggers like your precious borderline commie cuck nations do.
Obviously

For example, unemployment in your country is at 10 percent while Germany is at a mere 4%.

So do we take care of our blacks or we don't? What is even your point? First you provide evidence on how we're such racemixing humanists and then contradict yourself with a racist slogan probably written in America. Epic. Just epic.

It was the definition in the US too. Eastern Europeans were literally considered Mongolians under immigration laws. It was the definition most of the western world used until the cold war.

unemployment in Portugal is actually higher. It is at 14% iirc.

But i asked you for a source on "how Portugal has a mediocre standard of living when compared to other Western Nations", not on Portugal unemployment numbers

So the definition of socialist changes if you are either living in one of these countries or you live in America

The fact that your content with 14% unemployment is a good indicator that you have a lower standard of living. Lmao. Even if you have a job, you guys also make less money than the UK and Germany, for example.

>The fact that your content with 14% unemployment
source?

>is a good indicator that you have a lower standard of living.
No it's not. USA had a 40% unemployment rate according to Trump.

> Even if you have a job, you guys also make less money than the UK and Germany, for example.
True, but will you show me a source that "Portugal has a mediocre standard of living when compared to other Western Nations" or will you just admit you were making shit up?

Get raped, faggot.

My source is that you literally just correct me by explaining you have a 14% unemployment rate yet somehow believe your economic system is superior to mine.

>According to Trump
Well I'm convinced.

Lower income and lower employment are all common indicators of a lower standard of living. You also have a higher murder rate than Poland, for example.

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Yeah okay go back to Cred Forums

Those countries sure are white, I tell you hwhat

>My source is that you literally just correct me by explaining you have a 14% unemployment rate yet somehow believe your economic system is superior to mine.
So you don't have any source?

>You also have a higher murder rate than Poland, for example.
Another thing USA is nigger tier

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Also poland murder rate is lower then Portuagl only barely

>the more money you make the better your life!
>trust me goy!

I'd much rather be poor in Portugal than average in the UK.

>shit food
>shit laws
>a fucking police state
>muslims everywhere
>people obey every little fucking stupid rule like goddamn automatons
>shit weather

Made his point with that image macro mate.

There isn't one example of true socialism on the planet outside the symbiotic dependency of all living creatures.

t. Alberto Barbosa

>So you don't have any source
So is your employment not 14%? Was it 10% like my original post stated?

>Another thing USA is nigger tier
Agreed, but it's relevant to the argument of whether or not socialism in America is a good idea, because it reveals we have plenty of facets of the population where it would essentially analogous to flushing cash down the toilet.

>Also poland murder rate is lower then Portuagl only barely

Then be glad I was only comparing you to Poland, because if I compared you to a much more prosperous nation it would be just plain embarrassing.

>You also have a higher murder rate than Poland, for example.

Top kek do we really have an American playing the murder rate card on literally ANYONE else in the developed world?

The irony is just too much.

There's an ID For a reason. Names are useful in boards without ID since you can use it to follow a poster with ease.

But if you can't make friends without a name, You got a problem.

Secondly, If you need a tripcode to take responsability for what you've said, You're as bad as Pedos and niggers who need a GPS tracker to know where they've been.

>So is your employment not 14%? Was it 10% like my original post stated?
it's 11.6%

But unemployment != standard of living.

> if I compared you to a much more prosperous nation it would be just plain embarrassing.
Like? You want to compare us with micro states? The only meaningful state that makes Portugal look like nigger tier is Japan.

The original argument was not which country has more flaws, my original argument was explaining my reasoning on why more social programs would be a drain on the United States, but then devolved into an argument on whether or not Portugal has a lower standard of living in relation to other European nations. Please read the entire thread before prematurely jumping in.

That pic is just ironical. It got me 4 (you), which is nice

Thank you!

> If you need a tripcode to take responsability for what you've said,
Are you stupid? The only reason me and most of us post here is because we don't assume responsibility for our own words. It's the whole "anonymous" thing.

Do you need the definition of standard of living?

>The only meaningful state that makes Portugal look like nigger tier is Japan.

So now you're moving the goal post. I never actually ever stated that your country was substantially of lesser quality than other European nations; I initially stated that your country's prosperity is mediocre.

Mediocre when compared to other European nations*

The Italian is absolutely right. It's incredibly ironic for a american to throw around the murder rate card around

>but then devolved into an argument on whether or not Portugal has a lower standard of living in relation to other European nations.
I'm just asking for a source. I'm not arguing with you.

black people are 1/7 of the popluation and only have 0.13 more kids. Face it most of the poor in the usa are white

Le "I was pretending to be retarded" maymay.

Most of those nations are smaller in terms of population ect, and they barely have militaries, i find it funny when people compare us to them.

Beside's the Social welfare states disarm their people, this iwll result in genocide when the welfare state buckles and it will.

Standard of living is defined by your nation's wealth and overall safety. Lower employment and lower wages are reflective on a country's affluence. So by the measure of lower employment, wages, and an increased likelihood of being murdered; you therefore have a lower standard of living.

so does france belgium and britain but they never appear on the lists

I hope the Don will abolish welfare during his 2nd term

> I'm honourable and noble for refusing to adhere to the customs of a culture that I'm intent on metastasizing my cancer throughout.

There's already a board where posters have a dedicated name that can be used to hold them responsible for everything they say.

It's called /reddit/ and you'd probably like it there.

Look at the economic freedom index rankings then get back to me.

>not realizing the US is socialist too

>>Also poland murder rate is lower then Portuagl only barely

>Then be glad I was only comparing you to Poland, because if I compared you to a much more prosperous nation it would be just plain embarrassing.

And i responded to you like this:

>The only meaningful state that makes Portugal look like nigger tier is Japan.

In what way am i moving the goalposts?
You left pretty clearly here >Then be glad I was only comparing you to Poland, because if I compared you to a much more prosperous nation it would be just plain embarrassing.
That you were talking about murder rates.

But this is now devolving into a semantic arguments, like you wanted, so you can escape your obligation to source YOUR claim that "Portugal has a mediocre standard of living when compared to other Western Nations"

We should give all of our money to the government so they can distribute it fairly : )

They're white countries my dude, socialism has nothing to do with it.

>Standard of living is defined by your nation's wealth and overall safety.
You are the only one defining it that way. Country wealth is not directly correlated with individual quality of life. Murder rate is not the only thing that matters to "overall security".

>increased likelihood of being murdered
We hacve a lower murder rate compared to most western nations. Portuagl is one of the safest states

So you have no source for YOUR claim that "Portugal has a mediocre standard of living when compared to other Western Nations"

>Sweden
>White
I think Sweden has been 'Enriched'.

The entire point of being anonymous is to eliminate the need to follow social norms.

Tripcodes shouldn't even be a thing, if you want to be attached to a name fuck off to reddit.

>Standard of living is defined by your nation's wealth and overall safety.

No, it doesn't.

Wealth certainly plays an important factor, but there are issues that are much more important.

>How likely am I to walk out the door tomorrow and get stabbed to death for my wallet?
>How likely am I to be killed in an industrial accident due to poor regulations and/or being put in a situation where refusing to take risks will get me fired? For the vast majority of the population, at-will employment is a codeword for slavery. Only extremely skilled people can leverage the other side of it.
>How likely is it that I'll get cancer or other degenerative diseases from eating shitty turboprocessed food with harmful chemicals in it? Food in the US is incredibly unregulated.
>How likely am I to be arrested and convicted of something I didn't do? This happens all the time in the US due to how fucked up your judicial system is. You have the second highest incarceration rate of the entire fucking world, clocking in at 700 inmates per 100K people. In Poortugal it's 140.
>How likely is it that, when I do get a degenerative disease, I can't afford to treat it? "durr loans" is not a fucking valid answer. If the choice is between dying and ruining your and your entire family's lives, it's a shit choice that you shouldn't have to make in a country that calls itself developed.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not a fucking communist or anything, I'm mostly libertarian.
But first, wealth isn't everything, and second there is a base level of protection that the state has to provide to its citizens.

>they didn't buy all the water filters.

jews cheating us really works.

Oh boy, I love the idea of my farm being "owned" by the rest of you googles.

Not an argument.

Most Americans don't live like that at all.

American main-stream media spent nearly half a century plastering any kind of social/welfare program as anti-capitalist, communist lunacy. Pretty hard to break that Misconception from the collective american consciousness.

>Switzerland
>Socialist

>implying that's socialism

Heya, Fellow Comrade. I believe we have spoke before. Pirate party?

>it allegedly happens in Canada
>durrrrr communism guise
>it is pointed out as happening in the USA
>hahaha le epic fat people meme le XDDD

Not an argument.

Might as well call it countries ranked by whiteness.

Socialist? come on now

A NUMBER 10

In a recent study done by North Korea, the USA didn't even rank in the top 10 as best countries in the world either =(

Hillary will poo her drawers.

You say this as if homelessness is something that exclusively happens to people who magically don't deserve any respect or help from society.

>smaller, mostly white countries with not even 10% of our population and no military of note
>they do better as a whole

Gee, who'da thunk that if you don't have to maintain being THE global superpower, you can do better. Also

>ranked by prosperity

What did they mean by this.

>socialism has been so defeated that socialists have to restort to calling any market economy with a slightly higher tax burden than the United States an example of socialism

ayy, Marx would be absolutely spinning in his grave if he knew the state of the modern "left", it's fucking hilarious.

Nice meme.
The US mostly defends places like Poland and Hungary, which face actual threats from Russia.

>Switserland
>Holland
>socialist

we're the biggest tax havens on earth senpai

Oooor we don't have niggers. Chinks are annoying and flawed at times. But my god I'll take them over Jamal any day. We'd be at least 2 or 3 without 1 million natives.

>not real Americans

...

le epic meme XDD

>hurr durr high taxes means socialism

There are no taxes in a socialist country. There were no taxes in the Soviet Union, there are no taxes in North Korea today. Why would there be? The means of production are owned by the state, they don't need taxes. It was also illegal to not have a job so they did not have a social safety net like we do in the west, there was no need for it. Note none of that was a good thing, a planned economy cannot work because it makes the rational allocation of resources impossible.

If you think Norway, a market driven economy with great ease of doing business and strong protections of property rights is an example of socialism it's time to take a helicopter ride.

Ironic, you are posting from Puerto Rico, a hellhole and land of people demanding moar GIBS.

nogger invasion will fix that really quick

Corellated with the amount of whites, nothing else.

none of these fucking countries are socialists. they are all social-democratic.

socialism requires worker ownership of the means of production which none of these countries have.

>australia
>new zealand
>worrying about Russia

>2016
>believing "le russian expansionism" meme
Russia literally only want to take back their ex-colonies, they couldn't give a fuck about anything past Poland and Poland isn't even on the list.

>communism is seizing production for redistribution
Communism is a stateless society where each worker keeps the full product of his labour.

Socialism is worker ownership of the means of production.

The only route to capitalist socialism is via co-operativism, and eventually you'd hit a point where for all practical purposes that was just market socialism.

Social Democracies is about the most accurate.

True social democracy ended in Sweden in the 80s-90s with the privatization and globalisation memes, but it's corpse shambles on.

None of those countries are socialist, pinko.

And they got to where they are now thanks to Western capitalism.

All those countries have a high white population. Check your privilege.