All the potential in the world to not be a 3rd world country

Because the West doesn't really want a more open, democratic, empowered Russia.

The West wants a weak, boogeyman Russia, fenced in by NATO bases, unable to compete for economic and political influence in the region.

He's right, you know

European part is based and in no way third world.
Siberia is incredibly shit soil for the most part, but once they seriously start mining there russia has everything a superpower needs.

its not about capitalism
its about devastating wars , corruption and MAIN reason:
in fact, we're still holding half of our colonies
thats what Cred Forums doesnt note
in USSR times only Baltics, Belarus and half of modern Russia was profitable regions
countries of the Caucasus, all Shitstans and Ukraine was subsidized regions
there was a commie party programme of increasing standard of living in these regions to Russian and the Baltic States lvl. In fact thats one of the reasons why balts left first, because they got tired of feeding lazy mongrels

so to day half of Russia is subsidized regions
thats why we still in this economical ass

Golden Horde + german/austrian bureaucracy and rulers who despised Russians

Mongol rule cut Russia off from Europe for hundreds of years. They certainly had potential, Novgorod was one of the most advanced states in medieval Europe until it was conquered by asiatic Muscovy, and Russia has been ruled by Asian style despots ever since.

The heroes of Russian history are all not Russian and/or mass murderers of Russians, it is a sick culture, they obey whoever has the biggest stick. A fucking Georgian fucker murders millions of Russians and they still build statues to the guy today. Even today their country is crumbling, instead of focusing on getting rid of corruption and attracting business, they think conquering even more land is what they need.

>Ukrainian SSR
>Second largest economy in the Union
>Subsidized region

Sure bud

What's up with all of that land east of Ural?
Dont you really consider it to be part of your country or what? I mean there is a fuckton of oil and whatnot, that's been proven already.

commies

Local rulers' lack of skills. Really, Mr Putin & co are mostly capable, but most of their orders and initiatives are being blocked by stupidity and corruption. Plus tons of sportsmen, celebs and other scum of the Earth hold places in parlament instead of people with at least average IQ.

its top meme actually
there was a lot of production there is no dispute, but the region remained subsidized
it is our land. All of it!
but there are many regions inhabited by other indigenous peoples in Siberia, Caucasus and etc

Corruption, common man suffering from learned helplessness because of centuries of tyrants, crumbling infrastructure because the country is so fucking huge

youtube.com/watch?v=HE6rSljTwdU

Where can I get a strong manly Russian boyfriend to smash my gook pussy inward. Pls send Vasily to 112-08 Cedarhurst Ave NYC ty

Anyone knows what's up with the southern no travel regions? Is it just a high level of street crime?

the red area

Sheer unhospitability of the geography is the problem because it drives the cost of transporting of absolutely everything.

No navigable rivers right in the middle of the country like Mississippi, no big warm water ports, frozen environment that makes railroad and road maintenance costs bigger.

Such a country is bound to be ruled by a top down bureaucracy that subsidizes every living thing to keep the economy going.

Not a lot of chances for accumulating capital and spurring investments, thus developing a comfy USA style middle class.

They will forever be an oligarchy.

>Caspian Report
why are you watching this shit?
author not very versed in what he says

This and only this. The literal definition of third world is a non-Nato aligned country. Russia could be an objective utopia and still third world. Fucking a.

lelno, but not as anti-muslim as some make them out to be either.

Putin is sucking up to muslims to get their support, while average ethnic Russians dislike them. Either way there is no tolerance for islamic fundamentalism.

This makes zero sense. If the region outpoduced the investments then it wasn't a subsidized region by any means

Hell, by the time of the fall of Soviet Union Ukraine had better infrastructure then Russia did.

Muslims live there

90% of it is arboreal forest, impenetrable either deadly cold (8 months out of 12) or deadly deep mud filled with mosquitoes during summer.

Had to check the url to make sure I'm not on reddit.

Russia is a second world country.

They can't just make complete enemies of them given large swathes of Russia have muslim populations that have been there for centuries (not like pakis in england who moved here in 2001).

I agree, he doesn't seem to have a lot of knowledge on some subjects.
This video was very good in my opinion.

> If the region outpoduced the investments
and Ukraine didn't
find some stats especially in the Brezhnev period

What does "mln t" in that graphic stand for?
Also, arent there any plans on how to make siberia profitable? It can't be that you expand even further to the west in ukraine (not judging, just curious) while you let all of these resources unused.

They are full of durkas, except Ossetia. Also ironically Chechnya may be also relatively safe because of tight security.

its actually not
he has a lot of his personal imagination and assumptions here

...

It may provide some food for thought, but it's hard to take him seriously when he gets basic historic facts wrong.

Russia is second world.

Anyone knows what's up with the southern no travel regions? Is it just a high level of street crime?

It isn't. Please read the definition of "third world" in Wikipedia.

They're either war zones, potential war zones or places where people are kidnapped and murdered. Coincidentally they're the main muslim part of Russia.

this is a map of oil production

how to make a profitable region in which lives 2.5 man?
which is far from the trade routes?
where the annual temperature ranges from -50 to +50 C?
in which there is nothing except the beauty of nature?
i dont know bro
mb if all native germans move there to live something will change

Muslims

First world: Capitalist block
Second world: Commie block
Third world: Neither of the above

There's no hard data on that

I call bullshit

With which of his arguments do you disagree exactly? The whole notion of "Russian backup"?

well, you can continue to think what you want
but I think the facts speak for themselves
look who and how live in the post-Soviet space

Russia is 2nd world

yes

>27 years after
>Only 300 billions above the 1989 level
Capitalism was a mistake

Because people here don't belive in better changes. We just gave up after the 90's.

>american education

>muslims on the left
>muslims on the right
great.
here we go again.

Any Russians here who can tell me how everything is going since the sanctions? Still think it's an absolute joke that they were used in the fist place, Russia is being used as some sort of boogeyman.

Well sure, you failed to produce hard data to support your claim, so my point is just as valid as yours.

FYI, all the "profitable" states you mentioned suffered economically too. According to your logic it, it means that they were actually "subsidized".

at least we are friends with Shiites and not with Saudi dogs

1989 level probably took into account all the other soviet states.

So for Russia alone it's probably more than just a 300 billion difference

Kiev will be in Russia.

>third world
Having been to Russia several times this is objectively false. Most large cities you can live quite comfortably in, the countryside is much worse of course but still better than most asian/african shitholes. Although, the level of corruption is terrible and Russia will never be 1st world until it manages to get rid of it.

all I can find while browsing from my phone

translate plox

Nothing really changed except the prices on most consumer goods and food have nearly doubled since the sanctions took place.
No one really cares about it, though. People are still euphoric about taking the sacred peninsula of freeloaders from those pesky khohols.

Sanctions are a meme. Ruble was devalued due to the low oil price. That, and our own "counter-sanctions" on food raised local food prices, though most of it is likely profiteering of large supermarket chains.

red - donors
blue - subsidized regions

Judging by this data, baltics were not profitable at all, even more subsidized than Ukraine, yet you claimed the opposite. What would be your answer to that?

yellow - production
green - consumption

>1989 level probably took into account all the other soviet states

No.

if you look at the date , you will understand why soviets began to fill up they with money.
but it didn't work
I said look at the statistics of the Brezhnev "era"
find it by uself lazy bastard

>Make an unsupported claim
>Asked to produce data
>Data does not correlate with the claim
>Find the confirmation yourself ya dingus

Spotted the United Russia voter

And Lwow would be in Poland. Along with a large part of population.

>Republics break off from the Soviet Union claiming that the evil Russians are oppressing and exploiting them
>Turns out it was Russians and Belorussians who were subsidizing them all along

It's also worth pointing out that they are quite isolated here, so even if the percentage of muslims is higher than some of the "cucked" countries, the populations don't mix that match.

>green wall
>so lazy that even can't find the statistics in public access

liberal cuck spotted
here is the answer for the thread

we are fucked because of retards like you

Russia is 2nd world.

and now many people in siberia says "stop feed moscow"

Sure, keep watching Channel 1 my friend.

We'll be the ones laughing when it all comes crashing down because of dictatorship apologists like you.

I ignore polls
because is not national socialists in the list
initially fake democracy

>The Balts were leeching all along see!

Ok Ivan. Can you leave us alone forever now?

Is that why Russian policy towards the Baltics has been sounding like slurred call from a drunken ex at 2 am for the past 25 years?

>I'm sorry baby, let's get together again.
>You never deserved me you stupid whore!
>Who was that I saw you laughing on the street with, you slut? Did I mean nothing to you?
>I'm sorry baby, think of the good times.

>chechnya
>not safe
Grozny is safer than moscow

Sanctions are elites headache, they a loosing money, can't steal as much as they did it before.

If criminal scum was culled on regular basis, Moscow would be much safer.

why out of the whole thread u choose exactly one message which can annoy balt?
are you looking for a reason for butthurt or what?
if u r muslim

You mean like Sweden and Finland.

Ukraine is a meme country anyway and I have a hard time trying to understand its existence, you should go all in and annex the whole thing kek

Yeah I know Russia. If we ever have a ground war I'm coming to your country to bring back a Russian waifu.

We'll have to fix ukrainian mess, when our own is already enough.

They were communist for 70 years and an oligarchy for 25.
>all the potential
They probably killed that off. However, they still trump Israel on the national IQ scale.

because moscow is a multikulti shithole

I've had a couple of beers and am looking for a fight, obviously.

However, even bringing the rest of the USSR up somewhat indicates Russian unwillingness to look inward towards why they underperform, instead blaming the entire rest of the planet. Or the other SSRs at least. Preferably also pindosi and pidarasi.

Hell, we Latvians introspect to an absurd degree (all our troubles are our own fault, let's drink the pain away), but you're the opposite. Well, apart from the drinking.

if it were not for commies our countries would be India-tier today. That idea of Ukraine = second France or Poland or Russia= USA level, or whatever, not gonna happen.

Capitalism built nothing here in 25 years, we only live on what commies build.

good idea
but it can cause you to return home in a zinc coffin

you've raised the global psychological problem of humanity
u know?

i think it may be a slav thing, us poles have inborn arrogance that makes it nearly impossible to blame ourselves for anything.

Russia could use a few changes but they achieved their potential as the soviet union until it all collapsed.

Hey man you can have an American waifu, I don't have anything against that it's just they're massive whores. Plus Ivanokov, I'd be much happier with a Russian waifu. Haha

1st:Usa and allies
2nd:Ussr and allies
3rd:not aligned to either

slav cutie for u and fat nigga whore for me?

it seems or you're trying to fuck me?

>Read article about Poland
>Hurr Poland worldview is a mix of delusion of grandeur and paranoid mania
>Hmm so they're basically us

Hey man, you know it too well. I'd rather have a Russian waifu then a 600lb tub of lard American girl.

It's really a shame that Gorbachev wasn't more aggressive in pushing his policies.

May be our miserable Lutheran-infused culture that leads to self-flagellation to this degree.

Still, some ideas of worth come of it.

I mean, sure, we do blame the Soviet occupation to some degree.

But by-and-large you blame the laziness, lack of morals and lack of character of your compatriots. Partly a result of the Soviet era - but that cannot be an excuse for lack of individual responsibility 25 years on. No one actually thinks this.

Now, if anything, people with a Soviet-era mindset are treated with scorn themselves - those who still think the state should feed them, clothe them, give them a job and a place to live.

desu i love this state of mind though

wew

I'd say you should look at alaska and do what the burgers did with it.
Infrastructure is not existing? Build it. Give jobs to all those who need it.
I mean, i get it. A project this big takes several decades but hasnt Putin been in charge for almost ten years now, ignoring the Medwedev intermezzo. It's not like he could do a max of 8 years like Obama and therefore won't start such a huge project.
If capitalism alone won't make it work then government has to create better circumstances, think about it - two or three more railroads north of the existing on and a huge mining industry would mean that nobody would even think of calling you third world on these vietnamese basket weaving forums.

But who knows, maybe you just wait till noone else has any oil so you can set the price. Or maybe you just dont have enough jews.

you forgot mongols

Also, how is your Seim doing? I was't following polish news for wuite some time.

Give us isle location.

gommunism

K O R E N I Z A T I O N

bickering about abortion and planecrash instead of real issues.
so like always.

> drunk korenizator mental gymnastics

Read about that - how dig is abortion tourism now?

Mindset

Russia has no native race, not even Slavs, it was always a multi-culti state (it inherited its territories from Genghis Khan's empire). There's a shitton of Muslims in Russia and severe demographic problems like Slav men dying young and Slav women marrying Central Asian Mongol-Kebab.

This definition was changed after the USSR crumbled. Switzerland is not longer a 3rd world country.

Don't tell, let me guess, Stalin committed yet another atrocity against Poland with armoured birch trees planted in advance?

the project of the bill isnt even put to voting yet, my bet is nothing will be done about that either, its just to give some circus to the bread.

...

Three reasons reason: class of ethnic Russian alcoholic dump bydlo created by the Soviets and 90s reforms, racial one like native subhumans and waves of millions of immigrants, corruption.
(islamisation of Crimea after annexation)
(Mohammed cartoons banned in Russia)
(5 million of chinese in the Far East and Siberia)
(millions of central asian moslems in Russia, migrant kids are 30% of students in schools by 2020)

(You)

they changed the comission for nth time, this time some military guy is leading, which will "surely" lead to some new amazing conclusions and progress

my personal opinion is that the case got too old for anything so we may as well take it as our loss and move on.

But isn't abortion very limited as-is?

Only in case of:
Herpaderpa
Rape
Threat to mother?

Doesn't that generate unwanted babbies taking one-way trips to the Czech republic?

> alcoholic dump bydlo
Tell that to estonia, lithuania and kirgyzstan, nigger. And go read a book.

How to make Russia Great Again in a few simple steps. Let's do the math. 15 million of IMMIGRANTS go back to Central Asia. No issue here, just the law. 5 million Chinese go back to China. No issues here, just the law.
28 million of Russian born nomad gooks and Caucaus mountain hill niggers are shipped to China. Why to China? Because if you ship them to Kazakhstan, Central Asia, Azerbajan and Turkey they would easily apply to refugee and asylum status in Europe. If we deport them to China, China would gladly accept new workers and citizens that would speak mandarin in two generation and forcefully undergo Chinification. No way Chinese government would allow them to go to the West. They colonise the West with the Han Chinese only.

the difference in how settled people in Alaska and in Siberia
also their scale
the only densely populated area of the Russian far East is Vladivostok and it is sufficiently developed region
other siberia is sparsely populated. Look at Yakutia.
Yakutia bigger than Germany and have only 960.000 inhabitants
represent the distance between the residential points in this region?
and now imagine how to pave a roads here
and not just the road. Here the mountainous countryside, wild forest and temperature fluctuations , without exaggeration, 100C degrees

I personally think that the whole problem with the population
you can't just build factories there, they will not be profitable
try to consider what I wrote above and imagine the banal loss in logistics?

are we really bigger drinkers than russia?

>But isn't abortion very limited as-is
yeah, its exactly as youve written
>Doesn't that generate unwanted babbies taking one-way trips to the Czech republic?
germany mostly, at least from northern polan.
thats only for rich people though, poors just give birth
in any case i dont hear about many people doing abortion tourism, its rare as is since our sex culture is still kinda conservative.

Lithuania is a recovering semi shithole, but at least homogenous. Estonia is a fine country. They should leave the EU and create a garrison nation like Israel and Finland do in terms of military. Their current army is laughable.

Russia has enough problems in its security - military and economic.

It needs to keep exports with Gazprom, plus stop Obongo from tearing a road through the Black Sea to Moscow by removing Assad.

This current road seems to have ABDs up after a war with Iran.

But you literally dumped alcoholic bydlo here. About 1 million total, in entire Baltics.

pls take back.

damn why u say that?
it hurts

>downturn begins in 1989
>same year Moscow version of Monopoly was released

its impossible for them, they have no natural barriers like finland (winter) or switzerland (mountains) to create a deterrent
and israel is hardly a garrison nation having a backing of worlds biggest military and free nukes

First we ship "ethnic German" kike shill back to Germany.

As I suspected then.

Are deaths due to botched illegal abortions a problem?

Just wondering how strict abortion laws work out, in Europe and today.

The region may profit from global warming now that the permafrost begins to thaw. More agorable land and extractable minerals.

well we have a lot of forest, that's pretty much the only advantage we have.

World War 3 when?

Maybe it's really the damn nation building and colonialism. Colonies are only profitable if you exploit them, not if you do this shit Whether you invested into them or not, they will feel 0 loyalty to you, unlike your own population, and nothing is forever. Every dollar not spent on your own population is wasted money and should be kept to a minimum. Imagine if Russia reinvested those $6k per capita per year into it's own country, instead of throwing it around enforcing socialism in other countries. Russia is the definition of big government gone mad, take away money from people and do stupid shit with it.

Is already going on, albeit very subtly.

No, my friend, it is our military that is laughable.

agreed

Isn't being ethnic German and a kike kind of mutually exclusive?
>Germans out, Asians in!

Have estonians returned the tank they borrowed or not?

Lol Russia being a third world country my ass. Third world countries don't produce nuclear weapons, excellent jet fighters, the first next-generation tank, build nuclear reactors, I could go on.

Russian poverty stems from a concerted western effort to stifle them (hence why the russians are so sick of the west) and corruption.

I am all for centralized power, please bring back the emperor and the aristocracy. But mob style corruption is bad for the nation as a whole.

there werent any loud cases about to-be mothers dying but few about babykillers.
still not enough to be a problem imo
people mostly just bite the bullet and raise the baby

even if your whole male population got enlisted you still could get conquered by a huge neighbouring country due to sheer size difference

exactly

>India
>Pakistan

I remember when, in 2013, I argued with an Estonian acquaintance - I was claiming out professional force is fine, he insisted it is not.

I'm now active National Guard, see how things really are, and know the error of my ways.

For fuck's sake, the current Chief of Staff just admitted our regulars are 1272 as far as field personnel, not paper-pushers, go. No, I did not omit a zero.

>excellent jet fighters
Far from it. China still buys them though.

Whey are so powerful they don't need to care about your stupid expectations. They can be whatever they want. Looks like they want to be 3rd world country and you can't do anything about it, shitlord.

You are the most retarded google in this thread mate

Press F to pay respects

you have no idea.
even the treatment of prisoners back during tzars was almost gentelmenly.
gommies fucked everything up

90s joke reference, wow.

But yes, they have. We have three T-55s - one can move, one can shoot, the third is used for spares. Not even a joke.

The govt seemed to get a move on in equipping and increasing the military after the Crimea thing - but now it's clear the additional funding will be used to grossly overpay non-critical infrastructure construction. We have a strong construction industry lobby here.

And they keep pretending we can be the only country neighbouring Russia without conscription.

You know what it means if everyone does things differently than you?

You're either a genius or an idiot. I find the former unlikely.

But if we don't control those territories, our enemies will and will be using them against us. In the first place we expanded to absorb those who always raided or otherwise bullied us.

>I am all for centralized power, please bring back the emperor and the aristocracy.

> emperor
check
>aristocracy.
check

thats why many Russian citizens poor and forbes list of billionaires included 111 russians

Both countries contract out basically all their military production (since they are totally incapable of making it themselves). Same goes for nuclear reactors etc. they contract them out to China, Russia, France, the US, etc.

And remember, if it wasn't for us in 1919, you would have never gotten that independence ;)

I meant in a more literal sense. But I mean has it really been uphill for Russia since 1861? Idk...

Maybe russians are reverting to their natural state.

technically we are neighbouring russia as well and conscription is gone for few years already

I don't know bro
you supported the Communists then
what it turned out for all our countries?

>incompetent monarch
>hysterical wife
>hemophiliac progeny
Nothing of value was lost.
They probably realise that if push comes to shove Latvia is going to be a speed bump at best. US will step up for you so why bother?

Yeah, and they don't even teach that at schools here.

Like literally, I was never told the battle at Wenden (Võnnu lahing) was carried out 80% by Estonians, and over a thousand Estonians lost their lives.

They just teach "And the Estonians helped a bit". Disgrace is what that is.

Though Estonian troops did shoot an apothecary at a small town because he wouldn't give them booze. Maybe that evens out.

We didn't support communists. We got cucked by western powers because they didn't want some weird ass recreation of the livonian order, otherwise we would have taken riga. Alternate history is something really cool to think about.

Let me rephrase, perhaps - small countries that cannot afford a large enough professional force must rely on conscription and a reserve.

Which we do not have.

I think they thought that, then lost their shit, then, as we have a battalion of other NATO countries coming, have fallen back into that lethargical sleep.

It should be clear, though, we will be alone for the first few days. If we lose all territory - the political decision to reclaim, not defend, is more difficult, and costs more blood.

We are to you what finns are to us. Although they never had to carry us

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Jewish subversion into commie state.

yeah m8 i know what you meant but my autism just demanded a slight correction, shouldve added that to the previous post, my bad.

FUCK BOLSHEVIK KIKES

Also they only have a population of 150mill
compared to USA 320Mill and Europe 600Mill

Communism desu

16.3 is relatively small, most likely the russians living here. There were some prominent communists, but they never had any legitimate power

I'm a little summarized all the Baltic States
I hope this does not offend balts?
btw red riffles did big job for commies. Thats enough for me to consider them as antirussian and pro commies force in revolution.
We all made mistakes

Well, truth be told, it's not quite that simple.

The Germans had overthrown the Latvian provisional govt, and had (through their own puppet govt) declared Estonian troops (invited to assist by the Latvian provisional govt) were in the country illegally.

Thus the Wenden battles, the Germans get their asses handed to them, sue for truce and retreat to Mitau/Jelgava. Thus the Latvian forces that fought and trained in Estonia gloriously enter Riga in July 6th and the provisional govt returns on July 8th.

Weak low energy loser
Cant decide whos worse him of gorbachev, but both are real shitty

near future

How much is a battalion? It's a bit vague.

>one of the most incapable monarchs in history
I'll pass.

Nothing should be given to China or USA EVER. Japan is a good choice

Supposed to be a Bn combat group, 450 cannucks, 550 others. 1000 total - whoop-dee-fuck.

I mean, that's a mighty fine tripwire, sure. But not a fighting force, no matter how our politicians pretend we're now safe.

~600 +- 200-300

We don't get butthurt that easily, no problem, anatoly.

I'm aware of that.

Natsdem pls go.

whatever you give to japan you give to usa

Yeah, that was us.

In all honesty, in late 1917 no one promised Latvians anything - except Lenin. So they followed him.

Once an independent republic was created, many who were actually nationalists seeking means to an end defected/deserted/came home.

I'd say, by the end of the Civil war, those that stayed in Russia were the true Red Latvians (apart from a few who wanted to return but were banned - like Vācietis)

Really wouldn't have thought you're aware of the details.

Shit, we had three govts at one point: German, Latvian, and Gommie.

Hmmm, sounds strangely familiar with a certain modern political structure

Immigration policies of Japan and USA are not comparable. Giving land to China = fucked up land, low wages, literal cancer, chinese untermenschen. Japan = prosperity, respect for nature, stricter border control. And we don't need to give up anything. We can do this No one will do anything. They don't shit about Chinese displacement of Tibetans. If you have nukes? Abuse your citizens all you like. That's the moral

In history lessons in highschool we focused on regional history a lot (like russia, latvia, finland, sweden). I don't think that's what most schools teach in estonia though

Leave the EU and gas the tibla

African and arab countries are third world, Pakistan and India are semi-third world.

>Pakistan and India semi-third world