/left pol/

Race class was never apart of the Marxist/communism that fat fuck talked about class war.

This kills the socialist

What do you comrades think of Marxism-Leninism-Maoism?

gulag

Soon after Deutsche bank crashes and another Great Depression begins. So after Sep. 26th.

you lot need to start applying Darwinist theory to your world view desu. Alterism is a natural human trait but it should only exist within the 'tribe'. otherwise you just become a cuck.

he would not take them inn he will call say taken refugees is a capitalist idea of destroying the communist working lower class of communism

It didn't? I don't understand your point. There's a lot of revisionists out there but any genuine communist knows class is key.

Also, thread theme, since my thread is empty: youtube.com/watch?v=UKPg9LT3h4A

Post your favourite leftist songs lads

Yes, we know that you can either have a welfare state or open border, not both. If only EU knew that too.

Stalin will say taking in refugees is a capitalist idea and it is a capitalist idea LOL

Interesting topic

What do you think about Solidarity? Also - what do you think about the catholic social teaching and solidarity as an answer to marxist class war?

In Poland people believe in solidarity but not in class struggle

The EU is a capitalist club. Always has been, always will be. I voted Leave for a good reason.

"a United States of Europe, under capitalism, is either impossible or reactionary" - Lenin.

youtube.com/watch?v=pCnEAH5wCzo

How many fled after the wall was set up?

Well those refugees were caused by capitalism destroying their countries through imperialist wars, and through trade deals which suck wealth out of countries, forcing workers to go looking for better paid work to help their families. Immigration is certainly utilised by capitalists, yes.

He was an internationalist. What makes you think he wouldn't go "refugees welcome"?

What are y'all's economic policies; do you believe in collectivizing farms and if so what do you think is the best way to do so? How do you regard fascists/natsoc who don't believe in progressive social values, but are opposed to capitalism?

Economic Crises are not enough to destroy capitalism.
once everything goes back to normal after a crisis, people will not give a fuck about class struggle.

>Solidarity
One of Marx's more naive ideas. Along with belief in a state-less society.

The Communist Manifesto is basically Marx's shitkid years. Das Kapital is where it is at.

Collectivist farming has existed since forever and exists today.

solidarity is a social-chauvinism idea never a marx/communist idea.

social-chauvinism is a form of social-nationalism

Internationalist in what way?
Read "Marxism and the National question";
marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1913/03a.htm

this tbqph. Capitalists are always the ones shilling hardest for increased immigration because they love the cheap workforce. And how it destroys the idea of a broad lower class solidarity.

so taking in refugees is a capitalist idea.

YES

People don't think they need to update ideology with technological progress, because they think that technology can't make ideas obsolete.

If the only the top 1% will see the benefits of the rise of automation, and 1 in 3 jobs simply cease to exist, the resulting consumption crash will destroy that capitalist system like a nuclear holocaust.

>left pol btfo

"“white skin privilege,” the lie that all white people benefit from black oppression, has become common currency on college campuses and in liberal milieus. This idea denies that class divisions exist within the white population and that racial oppression serves to deepen the exploitation of all workers."
icl-fi.org/english/wv/1093/jones.html

>petrostate
>imports food
>incompetently tries to regulate its agricultural sector
Doesn't matter what you're ideology is if you're incompetent.

Capitalism doesn't care if the country's leaders are competent

Why do you want to end world hunger/ sanitation shortage?
You understand you can only solve that problem for one generation, right? These people grow exponentially thanks to foreign aid and we'd all be better-off if they were dead.

>inb4 edge
it's true and you know it

>Thus defined, Stalin took aim at the notion of "national–cultural autonomy," charging that the formulation was but a cloaked form of nationalism in socialist garb.[2] Stalin argued that such an approach would lead to the cultural and economic isolation of primitive nationalities and that the path forward should be the unification of various and sundry nations and nationalities into a unified stream of higher culture.[3]

>do you believe in collectivizing farms and if so what do you think is the best way to do so?

Yes. I would break up big agri-businesses, by force if necessary. Redistribute land to those who work it. Nobody should "own" land, certainly no more than is needed to live on and farm well. The earth is a common treasury for all.

>How do you regard fascists/natsoc who don't believe in progressive social values, but are opposed to capitalism?

They're not really opposed to capitalism though. Oh sure they make thunderous appeals, but only to divert attention away from socialism and the class conflict. Once in power they work hand in hand with the capitalists and industrialists to finance their war machine. See pic related. Fascism is capitalism in decay. In a crisis, the bourgeoisie will embrace it to maintain their flailing grip on power. Look up the Biennio Rosso in Italy or the KPD in Germany.

Class struggle is inevitable, no matter what Catholics might desire.

Laissez-faire will blow up in your face. Incompetent regulation will blow up in your face. Bad governing may cause breakdown of security and the state, then nobody will have any rights and it will blow up in your face.

"Chávez was lucky: the price of oil rose from $10.87 per barrel in 1998 to $96.13 in 2013. However, the price of oil is notoriously unstable and the United States, the largest recipient of Venezuela’s oil, has cut its imports. The social welfare programs introduced by Chávez cannot be sustained in the long term under capitalism. With declining productivity dragging down its economy, Venezuela has managed to keep afloat in no small part due to billions of dollars in loans from the Chinese deformed workers state in exchange for oil."
icl-fi.org/english/wv/1043/venezuela.html

I know it's you kirk, you faggot commyboo

You have your own fucking board already, get out

new dis who phone?

it is.
more refugees=more manpower=more workers=more surplus

do we? Also this isn't a board just for Nazism. All ideologies are good for debate

>Every year 15 million children die of hunger

So stop pumping out fucking brown kids that can't be fed. Creating a life that you aren't capable of caring for should be globally illegal under the human rights charter.
This rock is only so big, we need less people, not more.

Start a Gladio/Pol/, organize false flags and blame it on the leftists.

he's talking about leftypol

Yes faggot, you ban all right wingers. You can't even have a presence in online forums where you don't censor all other opinions.

>Class struggle is inevitable
So is there any place for peace or order?

And how do you interpret major conflicts of history, like Cromwell's revolution or the conflict between the pope and the emperor in the Middle Ages? Why is it that you reduce everything to class struggle. Seems too ideological to me

> the free and equal trade between two such individuals is somehow immoral when both parties are accepting of such a deal

Immigration - Agreeing With Liberals For The Wrong Reasons
youtube.com/watch?v=vLE4g0AYK1Q

you can keep trying but this leftist trash isn't going to stick

>If you ignore 9/11

REEEEE fuck off with your data manipulation and confirmation bias. I guess we don't count as "The West" then and we should completely ignore Europe?

It doesn't say that in the actual text though, and I don't know where that conclusion is drawn from.

"The right of self-determination means that only the nation itself has the right to determine its destiny, that no one has the right forcibly to interfere in the life of the nation, to destroy its schools and other institutions, to violate its habits and customs, to repress its language, or curtail its rights."

>So is there any place for peace or order?
Unless class is abolished (communism), no. Then we can work and live together as equals.

>Cromwell's revolution

Funny you mention that, there's a good article on that from a Marxist perspective

marxists.org/archive/hill-christopher/english-revolution/

Class society has changed from slave society to feudalism and then capitalism, but Marxism is a useful way of interpreting the past. I agree people can be too ideological though.

>capitalism ruined the upper-class
>technology is currently ruining the lower-class
>middle-class that's left in the future
yay?

leftypolcanteven come up witht heir own memes
youra dorable
s*Ged

>>>/Lefty pol/

>Implying a false flag operation wouldn't be justified
>Implying commies haven't done the same

>>>>/Lefty pol/
sorry m8, I'm not from there and I'm not going there

It's from a book called "Stalin as Revolutionary" according to Wikipedia's article on the essay.
>capitalists and industrialists
Aren't industrialists capitalists?

>Then we can work and live together as equals.

We aren't equals. What are you going to with the trisomy 21 victims? Throw them off a rock at birth?

The prepare to have all your threads spammed, and having you banned eventually for all the REEE'ing you cause spreading elsewhere.

Your call.

die, commie scum!

>remember the 100 trillion, goy

>right-wingers pretend to be peaceful
>pretend to love free speech
>they're just passive aggressive and keep saying thinly veiled threats

>>reddit.com

>free speech
>good
No, it's a tool to establish fascism, and nothing more. Free speech only leads to degeneracy.

>Aren't industrialists capitalists?
Yeah. I was just pointing out their favoured role in fascist regimes.

They can still contribute to society in some way. They'll be treated humanely. from each according to their ability etc.

I'm a big fan of REEEEEE'ing desu

t. Mohammed

lel, reddit is a bunch of hand wringing middle class liberals. they just want dude weed lmao. they don't want to abolish private property.

>social nationalism
Isn't that just another way of saying national socialism?

He posted a pic of Trotsky so I guess no, not in this case. However fascists and natsocs are quite good at using leftist language to gain appeal in times of crisis, like the great depression. it all evaporates upon taking power though, obviously

>He thinks I'm implying he should be banned

The reasons why Lefty pol was created was because commies and fascists can't be in the same board together without spreading their shit all over the Chans. So we created Lefty pol, who posts their pro communist/transhumanist/anarcho whatever memes there, and we keep our pro fascist/ libertarian/ nationalist stuff here.

You can come to debate, but having casually communist threads won't end well. So I'm pro segregation, not anti free speech.

>The natsoc aren't socialist memes
>Appeals to populism are inherently left wing

Top wew

When leading Marxist intellectuals like Herbert Marcuse and Ernesto Laclau realized that the white working class didn't want revolutionary communism, just a comfortable existence under capitalism.

They believe that niggers and shitskins will be more pliable.

>Appeals to populism are inherently left wing
I didn't say that. But they adopted leftist language in that situation. Of course a group like UKIP or someone like trump is a right wing populist

They did exactly what this guy advocates >break up big agri-businesses, by force if necessary
>Redistribute land to those who work it

I don't understand, why is NatSoc not left wing? It's almost identical to Leninism I thought?

>It's almost identical to Leninism I thought?

God no. Nazis are explicitly anti-communist and despite the Marxist philosophy. Leninism advocates internationalism, class warfare and seizure of private property. Nazism is about nationalism, class collaboration and defends private property.

>Hitler nationalizing corporations
>Not socialism

>Trump
>Not a centrist

>Fascism defends private property

Eternal anglo at it again

Was Chopsky right?

>"The police are fierce, implacable, hated and hating foes. To win them over is out of the question. Beat them up and kill them."

So it's an improved communism?
How is it not left wing?
Even though you named a few differences, they're both very similar.
I understand they're anti-communists though. They're the in between of capitalism and communism, but their ideologies are very much left.

>fascist/libertarian
You believe in personal rights and freedoms?

Objectively, it depends on the ethnicity. Why?

There are brands of libertarianism that emphasize property rights and are very much anti-freedom.

Fascism is inherently anti-liberal. Also, very statist. So having a space for fascists and libertarians is as absurd as having a space for fascists and commies.

>How is it not left wing?
because private property, capital accumulation, wage labour, the profit motive and the business cycle remained intact under National "Socialism".

Leftists (i.e. communists) stand for the abolition of all those things.

Nationalisation is not inherently socialist. The state and capital rely upon each other.

>It's not socialism

No, it's national socialism, britbong. Nationalization is a a concept which is inherently socialistic, but which Hitler adjusted according to his criticisms of socialism in general.

>libertarianism is a strain of classical liberalism that emphasizes freedom over contemporary liberalism which emphasizes equality
>There are brands of libertarianism that emphasize property rights and are very much anti-freedom
That's like saying there are strains of veganism that emphasize eating meat

This is basically what I was getting at.
The entirety of NatSoc is left wing as fuck in its ideals.

Except both if them are right leaning, and generally have more on common when it comes to social issues than you'd think
Most people on this board are Libertarians, but many are Libertarian Nationalists as well, due to them realizing that the State has a role in society and race realism is true.

The race aspect alone allows us to debate each other without the sheer amount of butthurt you would from classics Lefty vs right debate unless they are less frequent. If it's just righty vs righty then it's more controlled

>What is libertarian nationalism
>All libertarians accept the premises of multiculturalism just because they believe in the emancipation of different ethnicities

>Nationalization is a a concept which is inherently socialistic

If it's being run for profit and utilises wage labour then I want nothing to do with it. Hitler was never remotely socialist or leftist. He immediately stamped out trade unions upon seizing power and got his brownshirt thugs to terrorise the KPD and SPD. Even the Strasser/Roehm faction of the NSDAP, which was perhaps somewhat socialistic, was purged on his orders.

That's the point. It's

Not
Classical
Socialism

You're debating semantics.

He means the Polish trade union group you dumb fuck, not the abstract concept.

trotsky was a globalist you bellend

I know.

Also

>not white

venezuela is not real socialism

he was a proletarian internationalist, sure. Bit different to IMF style capitalist globalism

Foucault.

Every year 15 million children die of hunger. You know what would not only save them, but MAKE money? If their countries had fucking economies. Eat shit Socialist weasels.

It didn't. Those are liberals.

>He doesn't want African nations to go down in population through whatever means palatable
>Letting them starve without white farmers is immoral
>Muh projection

This. See Mao's "Combat Liberalism".

>shitting on workers
>socialism
No.

fuck you beta leftist cuck
go to hell and burn with the rest of your ilk

It's German ethno nationalism with loose socialist policies combine with it. Again, this is arguing semantics over the word socialist, as Hitler views his government to be the gean conception of socialism.

In that socialism, workers rights are shat on to support the worker.

>Inb4 incoming Soviet invasion

>Gean
*German

I see. Still, they could at least come up with their own term.

They still played politics back then. They just called themselves socialist to give poors the impression they weren't going to shit on them or suck corporate dick.

Niggers need to die. This isn't even edgy it's basic common sense.

I know. I can't find the quote atm but I remember reading that they used the red flag and name to attract workers after the horrors of WW1.

>Socialist Nationalism
>National Socialism
>National Socialism = Nazi

...really makes you think

Socialism first, Nationalism second. Not the other way around.