Why is Nazism guilt so big in France when thanks to Pétain only like 2% of French jews were deported and even less so died in camps ?
Why is the collaboration of Communists with the Nazis, an important factor in the failure of 1940 completely ignored despite the massive guild complex about the war ?
Just proudly support the German cause in the WWII and shrug off "nazi!!!" accusations. Don't do it if you are not charismatic.
Ian Hill
>when thanks to Pétain only like 2% of French jews were deported and even less so died in camps ? This is the point raised by a popular polish historian
Anyway I think Petain wasn't good for France. He demoralized people in consequence. When you collaborate with your enemy so deeply, then there's something wrong with you. This was a sign of the deep degeneracy that is corrupting the French until today. When you have no desire to defend your country anymore, then you're dead as a nation
Samuel Price
>it was in the French interests to fight with the Reich
Dominic Harris
Pétain didn't collaborate as much as it is said by neo-"historians", after the establishment of the resistance in North Africa he sent the Adrmiral Darlan to establish a liaison and sent arms and men to them but Darlan was assassinated by communists, and Pétain was basically stripped of all his power and put under house arrest in 1942 because he kept cockblocking the nazis.
He just wanted to avoid another WWI, keep in mind 360k French soldiers died in 1940, it's more than in Verdun.
John Gonzalez
Why did he put sticks in Nazi plan?
Ayden Bennett
Because he worked for French interest first and foremost, De Gaulle was even scheduled to enter the first Vichy government in 1940 but the English didn't let him go back to the mainland.
He knew what he was doing though, he said himself that he was taking the responsibility of surrendering unto him so that France wouldn't have to carry that legacy.
Zachary Sanchez
Antisemitism was common in France as in every country during those days, Nazi occupation just cranked it to 11.
People like Maurice Papon did nothing to stop the deportation of Jews, quite the contrary. Petain was an old soldier and served as best he could in difficult circumstances.
But Vichy will never be rehabilitated, it was a puppet regime and definitely not our finest moment as a nation.
Zachary Thomas
Reminder:
>Petain's government was legitimate and the current republic is not. >Petain was imprisoned for 'collaberating with the enemy' by signing an armistice >Nazis were imprisoned and hung for not 'collaborating with the enemy' and agreeing with the signed armistance
The jews literally make up 'international law' as they go.
If the law condems the nazis for disregarding the armistace at compiegne then it condems De gaul and the new republic for disregarding the 2nd armistice at compiegne.
Nathan Powell
Dude Petain was a complete tool like an old overused puppet
He was senile and that's why he wasn't condammend by De Gaulle
Joseph Young
No, that's fucking stupid. You don't support an invader no matter how based they may or may not be
Logan Morales
merci d'avoir corrigé l'enregistrement
Jaxon Jackson
Why did Russia fight the Reich then? Don't you want to be exterminated by the Germans?
Grayson King
je comprend même pas ce que tu veux dire par là
Par contre quand tu parles de remords vis-à-vis du nazisme je suis pas d'accord. Le programme d'histoire ne parle quasiment pas de Pétain de la collaboration et se concentre surtout sur la resistance Jean Moulin et la Shoah blah blah Auschwitz
Eli Phillips
The armistace signed by the Etat Francaise was only meant to last a few weeks until the British surrendered. Nobody expected the UK to keep fighting a hopeless war for Danzig.
France wasn't really a puppet and was likely going to get all of her land back minus alcase-Lorraine at the british surrender.
Hitler even declined Franco's offer to enter the war if he could have France's africa colonies because he was obligated to give them to france after the official treaty was signed.
Everyone pretends Hitler conquered france.
The armistice stopped the fighting, kept france autonomous but allowed Germany to occupy northern France and prevent British invasion while also giving a staging ground for Operation Sea Lion, which nobody expected would be necessary because everybody thought the war was over.
Hitler had ZERO interest in governing French people.
He could have imposed much harsher terms but he didn't. The German government even spent money rebuilding France and sent money for jobs programs in addition to opening up work opportunities in germany to french citizens. A move that would later be copied in the Marshall plan.
The attack on Petain and Vichy is pure propaganda.
The Etat Francaise was legitimate and a well run independant government.
Matthew Robinson
>Don't you want to be exterminated by the Germans? Hello Schlomo >Why did Russia fight the Reich Soviets fought the Reich, Russia fought with the Reich
Gavin Robinson
>les heures les plus sombres de notre histoire >muh vel d'hiv >c-collabos
Logan Watson
I guess you sit out the Great Patriotic War commemorations and parades?
Justin Baker
>guess you sit out the Great Patriotic War commemorations and parades? >Great Patriotic War No such war. That's Soviet newspeak to hide the part where in the Second World War Soviet Union was ally of the Reich 1939-1941.
Anthony Clark
by the end of 1943 the whole of France was occupied.
>opening up work opportunities in germany to french citizens that was deportation user Nazi stole the industrial equipement from France and then forced the French to labor in Germany
Isaiah Torres
And what happened to that alliance in 1941?
Angel Howard
>You don't support an invader Why the fuck havent you left Cuckada yet?
I want my province out too we just need you to pave the way
Evan Gray
ouais basiquement mais pas un mot sur Petain parce que la pillule est trop difficile à avaler pour un etat qui a déclaré "toute la France etait resistante"
c'est une vaste connerie en vrai.
Chase Foster
Germany did a preemptive attack on the USSR to disrupt the Stalin's plan tomattack him. That's why Hitler offered Britain peace over and over again - he knew that Stalin would eventually zerg rush in Europe
Cooper Jenkins
>Nazism guilt in France
Literally what ???
Kevin Green
Pétain est rendu responsable des agissements des nazis en zone occupé de manière régulière, tu ne te souviens pas de l'éruption quand Zemmour a sorti son bouquin et qu'il a réhabilité Pétain à la télé ?
Evan Young
I was 1 year old last referendum, and the PQ is totally cucked either way (pic related).
Our best hope is to reform the federation so that it isn't Ottawa telling everyone else what to do
Jayden Johnson
>il a réhabilité Pétain à la télé nan j'ai pas suivi ça, il l'a vraiment fait ?
Were not gonna do that without provinces threatening to leave.
we couldnt do it on a federal organized vote or election. Look up what time they declared Trudeau the winner VS when BCs polls closed. Our votes literally do not count. Thats why we always get screwed. politicians dont have to do anything good for us because they dont beed a single BC seat.
Quebec could potentially start talks about quebecs relationship but as for everyone else its not happening until sepratist parties get elected and try and tell ottawa "you either enter negotiations NOW or were launching a leave referendum next month"
Austin Reed
Well Alberta's being very pushy about the energy east thing so we'll see if that does anything. I was thinking of taking that "FRIENDSHIP ENDED" meme and making it about being enemies. "ENMITY WITH ONTARIO ENDED, NOW ALBERTA IS MY WORST ENEMY"
Andrew Garcia
je trouve ça tellement drôle que Zemmour est sepharade en fait le mec comprend meme pas dans quel camp il est
Liam Perry
1943 was occupied for a military reason. They tried to prove that french labor in germany was forced at Nuremberg and failed to do so. If Nuremberg didn't succeed in pinning that on Germany I doubt you can.
sorry but I believe I know my history better than you
Chase Moore
ouais mais c'est pas le bon pour un juif algérien. Le gars a rien de français.
Lincoln Kelly
Si un homme se sent vraiment français je lui ouvre les bras, quelque soit ses origines.
Connor Edwards
I hope you looked up "French phrases" or some shit like that. Otherwise it would be ridiculous to say this as an American
Christopher Hernandez
Je suis expat fucking leaf.
Jordan Garcia
>il s'enfuit de la jungle de Paris >il fait des postes cocues sur l'internet
Comment?
Oliver Perez
Une nation est une idée primale partagée. Si un autre Homme partage cette idée. Je serai son frère.
Si tu ne comprends pas ça et penses que ce que je dis est cocu, tant pis.
Christopher Sanchez
>HON HON HON
Gavin Morgan
>tou li monde i lé froncé
FUCKING KEK
Tu es français car tu as du sang français, rien avoir avec les sentiments.
Caleb Clark
Je préfère 100x un étranger qui peut me dire pourquoi il aime la France et comment il veut l'aider, plutôt qu'un né français qui chie sur son héritage.
La France est devenue une idée depuis plusieurs centaines d'années maintenant, Il faut évoluer. Il faut garder ceux qui veulent préserver cette idée, et délaisser ceux de peu de foi en elle.
Jace Brown
>cette idée La France n'est pas une idée, c'est un pays, quant aux français c'est un peuple pas une religion auquel on choisit d'adhérer.