Why amazing video games could be causing a big problem for America

>Most of the blame for the struggle of male, less-educated workers has been attributed to lingering weakness in the economy, particularly in male-dominated industries such as manufacturing. Yet in the new research, economists from Princeton, the University of Rochester and the University of Chicago say that an additional reason many of these young men - who don't have college degrees -- are rejecting work is that they have a better alternative: living at home and enjoying video games. The decision may not even be completely conscious, but surveys suggest that young men are happier for it.

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Why do they use the word "amazing?" There are very few amazing video games these days. This is a large reason why I barely play them anymore.

Pretty much this.

This. There aren't many fun games know days maybe a couple but they get boring after a while.

>There are very few amazing video games these days

You are just an embittered guy who spend his time on /pol

College degree does not equal a job. Actually, a college degree probably increases your chances of never having a job.

>when you panem and circenses and the circenses too good

Same. Most of it is just grey and dull FPS rehashes and other crap.

VR is the future though, but that's scary also :/

Yeah, otherwise I'd be playing these so-called "amazing" video games.

Vidya is funding meme magic.

www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/sep/23/oculus-palmer-luckey-funding-trump-reddit-trolls

probably the writer and researchers don't know much about games but assume that if people are spending hours each day playing fifa then it must be incredible

name some good games, because every new game in the last five years has been pretty boring

VR is never the future
VR is a buzzword disguised simulation used to sell you garbage

MAYBE 3D WILL MAKE A COMEBACK IN 2017!!!?!?

Currently playing some games on Dolphin emulator, will buy next triple AAA game when Cyberpunk 2077 is out

I enjoyed XCOM2
Not enough to replay it yet, but I still kinda want to

Having fun with Battlerite

do you guys know the feeling when you are getting older, and games lost their value to you?

the only ones I like to play anymore are from Pre-2010 anyways, gaming isn't the same anymore. And then again, there is the fact it just doesn't have the "magic" it did as a kid. Why did life have to go so wrong

I feel the same way. It seems like games from the 90s and early 00s were the best. They weren't corrupted by greed or sjw agenda. Maybe it's just being older and redpilled changes things.

Persona 2 correctly predicted peak 2016 memetics

>Cod 2
My nagger

Those games were actually finished and meant to be fun. If you look back at nintendo 64 donkey kong, legend of zelda, etc were all fully finished games that you could play for hours and have fun with. Nowadays games are rushed, full of bugs, and you gotta buy dlc for the full story and game.

perhaps I'm wrong, but I'm probably older than you by a bunch, and my experience is that the best cars, tv shows, movies, computer games, sports, whatever, were the ones in our youth.

so while the technology advances by leaps and bounds, we grow older and realize that creativity stays mostly the same, and we don't see why the new generation thinks the current stuff is so awesome, because what we saw was just as good.

I'll never see a video or computer game as good as the original DOOM. you probably have similar feelings about games, cars, movies, whatever.

I still like some new stuff, especially things like the awesome graphics, but you are only young once.

Stellaris

Kerbal space

But yeah thats about it desu. The rest are just sequels and garbage churned out by the industry as quickly as possible and marketed towards plebs and still full of bugs as a result.

Dont really play much anymore as a result. Cunts like Bob Kotic and EA and bioware turned to shit and fucked the industry

Exactly. Those games also had plenty of extras, Easter eggs, secrets, bonus levels. Now everything is released half assed and you have to pay for extra for missing content.

I feel like this, been considering buying a retron or a snes portable and getting some snes games.
I can appreciate the new games, I just have other hobbies and time I'd rather not spend playing a game for too long

>implying i'm not perfectly happy playing 10 year old games with people i've known for 10+ years

this video makes sense of it
white man applies for a job
the job goes to an illegal mexican instead
white man plays video games while making fun of the company that didn't hire him

vidya is a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself
this is just a case of "hey, remember those fucks we won't hire, lets stop them from having fun at home too!"

>surveys suggest that young men are happier for it.

YAS QUEEN!!!

Witcher 3 was pretty good
Also dark souks 3

>Can create a life free from degeneracy in video games
>Wonder why people don't want to bother with life

But aren't video games degenerate?
Just look at Erin and his Jew friend

>this video

What video?

what are you, blind?
this video you dummy youtube.com/watch?v=QUzHSV2z3HY

>Implying video games/NEET lifestyle aren't just the escape routes for the inherent anti-male bias in society in the 2010s
>Let's not address the fact that society has less and less to offer most men, let's just -again- blame men for doing what they like instead

I have vastly more fun with tabletop Dungeons & Dragons than with any video game.

This. Unfortunately, men will always be the scapegoats.

Tried it. It was worse than Silent storm made in 2001.

Let's see I could:

Go and struggle in a world that shuns me for what I am

or

Go into a world where no one really knows who I am and my treatment is based off the merit of my person.

Are you guys console gamers?
Cause with my PC I have a completely different problem. I have too many games that I want to play but have no time. I have a backlog of like 30+ games on my steam account that I haven't been able to complete.

I used to just hold off of starting a new before until I finished my current game but the back log got so big that I instead now just play the game I like the most at the moment until I finish it or find something better.

Society is approaching the final stages of the famous mice utopia experiment, males are rejecting breeding and focusing on themselves, females are becoming more and more aggressive. It won't be long before the whole thing comes crashing down.

In the end most of these pretentious 'well-meaning' articles or analyses revert back to trying to guilt or shame NEETs into doing what they 'have' to do, ie just suck it up and find a job and provide.

that gookettes posture is cute

my google.

Very true. I played games intensely from 14-18 and it stressed my mother to hell and back. I thought she was just being a nag telling me to go outside with friends etc (ALL my friends were game addicts too.)
I wasn't making a conscious choice to reject real life, I just loved gaming. Only as I reached adulthood I realized I was practicing 'escapism.' There were amazing things to do in real life, but I was choosing the easy option because I was fairly shy/anxious, always had been. My father didnt raise me to be a man. I realized I would have to do it on my own, and that I could not continue this lifestyle in the real world.

Only looking back now do I realize why my mother was so worried, seeing her eldest son not socializing, but spending all his time in front of a computer. It is the way the modern west is though - Men are not brought up with purpose, a path, goals. They are left to fend for themselves in a marxist school system that favours girls, and denounces masculinity and robustness in males. Couple this with an pften turbulent, depressing, single mother home life and many boys will choose escapism. Whether it be through video games, weed etc

>men would rather go an immerse themselves in systems that reward them purely based on their merit and actions instead of the real world where to get ahead the easiest path is to just have the right people like you/be born a winner
It's really no wonder, especially since the ONLY reason men participate in a society (to get a wife) is now actually a losing deal for him.
The modern man stands to gain next to NOTHING from working away as a wageslave for a jewish master.

Good stay home, I want you to. Its less competition for me in the workforce, and in the bar

Because modern games are packed with systems to get your endorphins flowing. Leveling systems, collectibles, gambling systems, randomized loot boxes, the screen is filled with flashy effects, increasing numbers, and colors you begin associating with good feelings (getting excited when you see purple or orange because you play so much WoW or Overwatch). They don't have to be fun, they just have to feel rewarding.

So that's it. Video games fulfill the drive for competition and work and for some the social drive, and porn fulfills the sex drive. The screen doesn't provide your basic necessities, but it fulfills all your tertiary desires. With the destabilization of the family unit and career, what else is there to strive for? You will be mocked and called immature, but does it even matter?

Interestingly, this study pointed out that women in the same situation were much more likely to go back to school instead of dropping out. Women, being more dependent on the stability of modern society, are more likely to keep engaged in it. As times get worse, we see men taking a straight plummet down and women taking winding roads and detours on their descent.

>randomized loot boxes
I'm fucking sick and tired of bananas in MK8

>Men are not brought up with purpose, a path, goals
This - young men want to feel like they are working towards something. Religion is dead in the west and nationalism is considered bad because it favours the people who built a nation. Even marriage and raising a family is going to pot. So basically getting rich and banging puss are what people are meant to strive for these days, which are hollow and/or unobtainable for a lot of people.

>in the bar
tons of quality women there

Yeah, the culture of promiscuity and pleasure is a big cause of this. The times when my friends were most impressionable to being redpilled were around the end of college. They had internships that made them realize work wasn't enough on its own to feel like life had a purpose, the drugs had become pure escapism at that point, and sleeping around felt meaningless. This hedonistic fantasy gets peddled to every teenager and it turns out a generation of emotionally stunted and confused people. From what I've seen afterwards people either adopt one of the two emerging political movements (nationalism vs. suicidal social justice) or become strongly isolationist and disconnected from the world.

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>implying Cred Forums isn't a game

"STUPID GOY, GO AND WORK FOR ME. THE GOYNOMY WON'T MOVE ITSELF, YOU CAN'T HAVE FUN AND YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING I DON'T SAY"

Also:
>reading anything "Post"

What a faggot

>last 5 years
>which was 2011
5 years is a long tme, maybe the last 2-3 years maybe.

This.

The Persona Series is literally MEME MAGICK the Game.

>A cheap way to enjoy free time comes along
>People need to work less to be happy.

THIS IS TERRIBLE!!!

The issue is that these men, go out and spend tens if not hundreds of hours of effort to find a job, only to be turned away again and again for some unknown, inexplicable reason. So naturally when shit stops working, so will they.

It's not difficult to understand, the new generation has been conditioned to just give up when the going gets tough, and the going has gotten diamond hard in the past few years for anyone that doesn't fill some HR manager's wet dream of diversity.

Video games, like reading, or watching TV, or reading newspapers, or going on the internet, is a hobby.

It's something you do to pass the time, it just engages people more.

>Ps4 games are literally just blank white with a different font if the title
They form even care about the covers anymore.

Fucking this

Spines never really bothered me.

I would get more fun out of the deck of cards than any of those

Maybe games just aren't for you anymore then.

League of legends

these kind of defeat your argument, its up to the developers if they want to fancy up their side of the box

It's not a better alternative, getting a shit job requires a huge amount of effort.

When you have over 150 people applying for a shit minimum wage job someone who has no experience is going to fail.

Last time I was unemployed i sent out over 200 application forms in a year and managed to get 2 interviews. Meanwhile you are told you are not welcome to be on benefits because clearly you are a benefit cheat. That is fucking soul crushing.

The question no one is asking is why is no one putting the effort in? You get to put all your fucking time in to working a shit job, which is usually physically demanding, for shit pay with an employer who will fire you because he's hired to many people in order to manipulate incentives to getting people employed. I was sacked once for having a mobile phone in a warehouse job, the thing is it didn't ring and i wasn't using it, it was just in my pocket and I lost my job.

Why the fuck would I want to work in that environment?

I think the youth today are living on the motto "work to live don't live to work". I fucking agree with it. If I can't simply live within my means with a simple job working 3 days a week with a bit of fucking dignity then what is the fucking point?

/rant

>it isnt the economy

fucking marxists civil war now

Since I've been reading this site, the thing it redpilled me to the most is the plight of tthe young white male. I feel ashamed that I haven't recognized it or been more sympathetic towards it in the past. Falling somewhere between boomers and gen x myself, I came into a world that still made sense and seemed to set a place for me in it. The attitudes, goals and societal outlooks that I developed were not at that time looked at as maladjusted or archaic.
All that is gone.
I can't even pinpoint the exact moment when things changed from economic malaise to existential crisis, I just know that I began to look at my own country as an alien landscape. What had been a priori was now condemned as heretical. It reminded me of those ephemeral lakes that occur in sub-saharan Africa, briefly turning desert into a lush oasis, only to revert again, killing any animals unfortunate enough not to have migrated.
When I hear so many young white men speak of how the older generation sold them and what should be theirs out, I know it to be true. Mine did it to me, busying themselves with hedonistic, selfish pleasures, rather than tending to the welfare of their national and racial interests. It left me embittered and too jaded to take up the burden I should have.
I'm trying to right some of that wrong. Maybe it's not too late. I've really been uplifted to see young people take up the attitudes embraced on here.
If only we'd had /Pol in the 90's.

I want to make romantic and sweet anal love to those gooks

Witcher 3 was decent.. but nothing compared to 1 and 2.

Older also and this is true. Stuff starts losing its shine after you start seeing the same patterns. I think as you get older, what lights up the pleasure centers in the brain changes since we crave novelty

mandatory

-No one wants to work in a factory
-Parents didn't properly raise their sons to take responsibility for themselves / have pride or humility
-Rent is too high and no one wants to live in the ghetto

i play ps1 and ps2 games. Probably over 60 good games just from those 2. Takes a while to go through it all.

You will hear, quite often in this topic, the argument "Society doesn't need to work for you. You need to work for society! Stop being so entitled!"

They are right, in a sense. No, you should not live for what the government gives you. No, you should forge and create your own life, instead of having it be handed to you. To expect and ask for things from society is childish from the individualistic perspective.

But the problem is that the same system that demands that you work for it then taxes and uses your labor to support policies that are diametrically opposed to your own interests. Your money goes to support the politicians who import refugees to replace you. To the single mothers raising eight children from eight different Chads. To support a bloated government which has policies expressly designed to discriminate specifically against you. And at the end of your working life, you will be cast aside carelessly and replaced by a new cog.

I am not endorsing the NEET lifestyle. To be a parasite is personally ignoble. But I do understand it. What we need is a path to support ourselves, while not giving a cent of tribute to a government that despises and discriminates against us while still demanding that we work to prop them up. Because in the end, being a NEET is merely an emulation of the same parasitic system that our elites have built for us. It is not that they are "spoiled" and demand favors. Because the system gives out favors, all the time. To everyone, but us.

Nicely written. The real culprit is the mother for not sending boys out to learn enough, fathers for letting the slag get away with it and also not grooming men for his daughters.

See I can to this country as a small child, around 9 and I saw through all the bullshit already. I saw two problems, one there's a giant pretext that we can be anything and anyone, and two you begin to notice how were forced to treat and correspond to each other on the basis of one giant happy family, which we all gotta look out for ourselves on the basis of how we look at others. None of this was ever the leading thought in Europe as far as I could tell in my little time there, yet it is here with the massive population and scale we deal at.

Maybe at one point it was all koombaye and actually helped nuclear families get along in the pre Internet communications world, but to us here and now it is the downfall of identity and not importantly, a family name or individuality.

Jesus, that's a damn powerful insight.

Shadow Warrior is pretty gud

Yet, here you are, shitposting.

>In the las 5 years
If you had say this last year I wopuld be with you, but 5 years is too much time
>name some good games
MGR and Dark souls 1

do anything to ignore the fact that feminism has feminized and made unfriendly colleges and the workplace for men, and society in general. men aren't going to marry & slave away for a a generation of whores whom do not invest in them back.

>move all manufacturing plants to 3rd world shit holes
>Simultaneously exploit all 3rd worlders like pawns and play the sobstory message to us
>Tell us its too risky for the environment and we shouldn't have plants in the US
>WHY DONT WE HAVE MANUFACTURERS ANYMORE WHERE ARE THE LABORERS?

I'M ONTO YOU KIKES.

Im jealous of my cousin, he has the original lod case.
The discs are all colored, not black and white like the greatest hits

lol get raped bitch

I don't really care, I just play a bunch of the old games I never go around to instead, until the rare once-a-year "amazing" title comes out again.

Playing Valkyria Chronicles right now. Shit is pretty cash.

I wish I had a group to play dungeons & dragons with, but the majority of people at the place I study are infamously anti-social. People barely even come to the parties and after-school bar anymore.

I think I'll try at the game-store in the city two stops away the next time I visit my god parents.

battlefield 1

Plenty of good games came out the last FIVE years. If you had said THIS year I'd agreed with you. I still hope for November to make up for the rest of this year ranging from downright shit to average.

With that said, I never played Odin Sphere when it came out, and Leifstrasir has been really damn fun still.

>not living inside Dwarf Fortress

why even survive?

fucking Skyrim was release almost 5 years ago. The things you can mod that game into...

Cred Forums also sides with everyone else. These threads 95 percent of the time devolve into a shitfest where most posters are fags or sluts complaining about "HURR MEN THESE DAYS". it's so pathetic. Cred Forums is so cucked on this topic.

I love my Korean waifu simulator.

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GTA V (especially with modded driving physics)
Dark Souls 3
Black Ops 3 was bretty gud
Skyrim if you're a faggot
American Truck Simulator

wow those parents are closed-minded bigots he was just trying to build a cool clock

Holy fuck they have got to be kidding. Do they seriously think the direction of the relationship there is that Video Games ---> No economic opportunity, rather than No economic opportunity ---> Video Games?

Because if so, they are so goddamn retarded it makes me want to smash their faces in with a sledgehammer.

overwatch

So tell me, why do you play video games? Do these articles ever question that? They just seem to point fingers at something and moan. Sometimes it's video games, sometimes it's men's natural sexism and etc.

What the fuck did I just listen to?

Yeah, I noticed that lately.

>It's video games!!!! VIDEO GAMES!!!!

That seems to be the conclusion reached lately by these people who obsess about men 'opting out'.

I have a huge Steam backlog, but I have absolutely zero interest in video games anymore. So what do I do? Let them sit there and waste the money? No, I have to play them.

Regardless, it is truly a sick joke how western society is so hard on men, and then men get blamed when we react to what's going on around us. Guys need a reason to opt in, it's ALWAYS been like that. Why does nobody understand this? Even Cred Forums does not understand this. You can't just expect guys to be "real men" and "man up" and opt in. It doesn't work like that. We need incentives and purposes. Men of the past weren't hated the way we are. So it's not fair to say men in the past were better than us. They didn't have the same hatred against them that we do.

I'm not sure what's going to happen with all this. I feel protected. Cred Forums has no power, feminists can't make me do anything. I have a secure life, good job, I'm healthy. I have my hobbies and I won't let anybody tell me what to do. So I'm fine. But what about all those other guys out there? You can't just force them to opt in. You can't fit a square peg into a round hole. It won't work.

We need solutions. Real solutions that benefit men. Why does nobody want to think about solutions, or implement them? It seems as though you are an "MRA neckbeard" these days if you are concerned about men. MRAs are good people. I just don't have the drive to be one myself, since they have far too much hatred spewed at them and I don't want to be the target of that.

Retarded as usual.

Education is geared towards services and as the education system is rewarded for pushing people to unis, they push them to unis. Nevermind wasting 8 years of your life in high school and then uni to get useless degree, didn't you watched that movie too? You're not gonna party if you don't go to uni, man!

Of course it's bullshit but the problem is that what really pushed people into "HAVE TO GET DIPLOMA" mode was the fact that the industry died. I saw it happen first hand, in few years young people went from "I WANT to be a car mechanic, damn I wish commies would allow better cars here" to "I HAVE TO GET ANY DEGREE YAY I WILL GET JOB THEN" which ended up with "HOYL FUCKING SHIT I HAVE A DEGREE AND STILL WORK FOR PENNIES".

Escapism is only symptom of it - one of many symptoms. Now it's not that the "i want to fix cars" guy would always end up being car mechanic - but he would end up being repair crew at some factory or some shit.

The jobs we have are endless slog without results. If you fix a machine in factory you can see it running and think "well, hard day at work but it was worth it" if you fail to push your shitty product into somebody's month through the telephone you tell to yourself "holy shit, that's 131245 today". It never ends, you can't even fool yourself it will.
Men always excel at activities with at least a semblance of clear goal, no wonder they get wrecked by industry's collapse more.

At the same time the "You're winner or you can kill yourself" mindset gets more and more ground in public opinion which only worsen the existing problems.

Bring the industry back, down with pushing people to unis and you'll see less and less "videogame obsessed males". Sure you won't be able to brag that 90% of your nation are college grads and you'll have to learn how to stand those fucking working class tradeschoolers but fuck off, seriously, what the fuck is your problem with any of those?

Don't need to work because it's not worth funding a useless wife who doesn't actually love you or raising kids into a country with no future.

Cry moar faggots.

White men are sick of your sick.

>8.6 hours per week on average

fucking casuals

I got Total Warhammer and I'm really liking it.

This, I'm only unemployed because there are no jobs in my area. Definitely not because of all the shitty ass video games around kek.

Yeah, that's fucking nothing. I remember people who would average 70 - 200 hours every two weeks. I can still log in to Steam and see them playing at this very moment. And they are nothing compared to Steam's top users who dedicate their lives to getting more badges, backgrounds, items, friends, and are in games CONSTANTLY.

This article is degenerate. And the comments are all blaming men, as I expected.

Only bad thing about that game is its a total war game so it'll be a cash grab for Sega. Charging for blood kek, still a good game but fuck sega.

That's true but only if you choose to pay for it.

I didn't buy the blood dlc because for one, it's too distracting to me, and two, the game runs *alright* on my computer, all those extra effects would make it worse.

>let the entertainment industry develop for 200 years
>everything else stays stagnant
>surprised when people like entertainment more

>84.1 hours past 2 weeks

tfw

30s W/M here. Once you see the patterns it's hard to ignore. Large changes that morph the landscape of a system are more important than the latest iteration of whatever product.

As a relevant example, normies getting into video games fundamentally changed the way they were made and discussed in public and that makes me rage. Japan releasing the 20th Final Fantasy game doesn't have any effect on me at all.

You forgot mass immigration and baby boomers demanding experience for entry level jobs.
Boomers can suck my dick
>see cleaning job advertised that finally isnt asking for a years experience
>2 hours a day
>5 days
Yeah fuck right off, half of my wages that day would be bus money. I would get like £30 a week. It was temporary too, would rather just keep applying for other jobs that reject me because lack of experience.

>As a relevant example, normies getting into video games fundamentally changed the way they were made and discussed in public and that makes me rage

True, but there is always a back and forth between video games being socially acceptable and being nerdy. I am 24. They were nerdy when I was a kid, then cool again. Then they became acceptable more generally. Then the feminist/slut resurgence of 2013/2014 made it so guys that play video games are seen as "fredora virgin neckbeards" or whatever. And now it's becoming more acceptable again. On and on and on.

Because journalists don't know shit.
It's like when Sarkeesian talks about video games. You know she doesn't know shit.

I agree most video games are not that good. Last good one I played was Homeworld: Deserts of Karack. But, you cant deny that even shit games are better than nothing for escapism from a world that hires women over men and actively tells us that we are evil rapist oppressors. I would much rather play Fallout than go outside.

>all men stay inside playing video games all day long
>women finally control all nations, and bring peace

I thought that's what women wanted. We're just helping the dream a reality.

Video games are a symptom, not a cause.

I work in a bread factory. We have the same cellphone rule. Put it in your locker, why would you even have it on you?

There's someone fired or suspended like once a month for that shit. Cellphones are a distraction you really don't need around dangerous machines and heavy equipment.

Gaming is objectively worse, lets use the new Deus Ex as example.
>Ham fisted social commentary for story
>Game is short, cut in half as sequel bait
>Story dlc a month later, cut from the game and resold for 12 dollars for 3 hours according to the internet
>In game micro transactions

Games used to be fun, now they feel the need to make games a soapbox. Games used to be finished, now parts are cut and resold. Expansion packs were a thing, now it's microtransactions. Reviewers will now shit on the audience and call them entitled. The community now has casuals and fanboys so mindbroken by consumerism they defend anti consumer practices. We never had to deal with shit like "Always come back online or you wont own your games" in the past, but now we do, and people will defend it.

There are still good games, but they are few and far between, only Pathologic, Divinity OS2 and Torment interest me.

>women control all nations
>all nations immediately become ripe targets for conquest
>get conquered
>now you get to wear a burka

tfw you used to play cod2 religiously, DM and zombie survival, joined a comfy clan and chatted with friends on xfire.