A socialist girl i know said she can explain why stores were half empty in the soviet union and venezuela. She said...

A socialist girl i know said she can explain why stores were half empty in the soviet union and venezuela. She said, in capitalist society the stores are full because most people can't afford to buy the stuff in the stores. In socialist society, the stores are half empty because the goods are given away to people as soon as they are produced.

How do i respond? keep in mind she is very emotional and so the argument has to be really good.

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then why are they half empty in the morning when finally the 3 hour queue starts be allowed into the store?

Ask her if she wants a helicopter ride

You really shouldn't be conversing with retards

Then communism encourages hoarding which is bad because the people that need items don't get them.

Most people with jobs don't have trouble buying the food they need to survive. Even on welfare, they can get more than enough food to survive if they know where to shop.

or you can take it from the soviets themselves

>For those who emigrated out of the former Soviet Union, what struck you most about the similarities and differences of life under capitalism/communism?
"Before we got out of the car (an also completely new experience for me --we had to walk everywhere in Russia since it would take probably 7-8 years to save for a car and another 5 to receive one), my relatives turned from the front seat to me, my mom, and my dad, and said, "Don't get overwhelmed. There's a lot of food in there, and it's perfectly normal."

We walked into the store, and I have never had a similar experience. I stood, probably four feet tall, in front of an endcap of canned corn or beans. That WHOLE wall was full of food, from top to bottom. This was insane and unbelievable. I had never seen this much food in my entire life. I had sensory overload. It was similar to walking into a Vegas casino for the first time, or being at a rave party. "That's all food?" I asked my parents, squinting. They couldn't believe it, either. "

quora.com/For-those-who-emigrated-out-of-the-former-Soviet-Union-what-struck-you-most-about-the-similarities-and-differences-of-life-under-capitalism-communism

There are countless stories on the internet of the hardships of living in Soviet Russia. Statistically you could probably find data on the standard of living, price of bread etc.


Anyway, you are arguing with a total retard, so you might as well just manipulate her into realising how stupid she is.

"Millions of people died in these communist and socialist nations, and yet defend their grocery stores? Are you a sociopath?"

A socialist girl you know is a fucking idiot.

Don't waste your breath, these are precious moments of your life you will look back on in regret that you wasted them on her.

I never said food. I am talking about all stores that sell everything. Food is not an issue in any country anymore. There have been no famines in capitalist or socialist countries since the 60s. The last famines that happened in capitalist countries were in the 40s whereas socialism eliminated famines in the 60s.

Even africa hasn't had a famine in 20 years. Everyone everywhere can afford food.

The question is about living standards as a whole which includes housing, healthcare, education, leisure, etc.

North Korea

Find a weekend when she is free and buy her a one-way ticket to Venezuela. Offer to drive her to the airport and remove all money from her purse before you drop her off.

Venezuela

they disavowed marxism 20 years ago and embrached juche, which is a native korean form of self reliance and leader worship.

north korea got away from marxism just after china in the 80s

Venezuela

today maybe, but thats because many countries arent communist anymore. the only communist country you can say do relatively well is vietnam, and even then they've absorbed some capitalist tenets.

Well, does she live in Venezuela?
If no, she could move there and help it to fight evil capitalist pigs.

Unfortunately for her, there is no more USSR, so she couldnt enjoy all its advantages and disadvantages.
BTW: it would be funny to look at her behavior when she returns home after 10 years living in USSR.

Still socialist.

Pretty much this. She sounds like a perfect candidate.

The Soviet Union had some of the highest poverty levels of any developed nation during the 1980s. The stores are empty because those that don't work still recieve rations, and when someone does not work, they do not produce anything. Basically you have millions of people that do not produce any food, but still recieve it. No one wants to work, when they don't see any benefits, since the guy next to them doesn't have to lift a finger and still recieves his share. There is no incentive to be productive.

I can sleep with girls this attractive fairly reliably. I've lost a bit of muscle mass in the last year or so but I'm back in the gym lately. Looking forward to getting tanned up this summer and trying my luck top off at the festivals again.

post source for this trap and her feminine penis pls

Tell the bitch production is what fills the shelves. Commies don't make money from production

how do you know she is a boy?

Your friend is an idiot OP.

Stores are half empty in Venezuela because the ruling communist scum destroyed the private productive sector.

That's why about 75% of what I eat is bought on Amazon and is shipped to my door from Miami by a private courier service.

Thanks for the food burgerbros

this thread isn't about your sex life you fucking bogan bum

As a starter, stores are full because they're usually not responsible for unsold merchandise (the producer are) + they benefit from better logistic chains than in socialist country

who is this semen demon?

>ty in Venezuela because the ruling communist scum destroyed t

that is so fucking sad

stay safe and well my venezuelabro

Fool, Russia had half empty stores for food back in 80s

thanks for the dolloridoos commielumbia

Is her pussy going to be socialized?

My grandparents told me about it, how badly it was through out Soviet Union, all food went to Moscow, the rest were starving

>the goods are given away to people as soon as they are produced.

I guess the long lines for toilet paper were just people waiting for it to be produced.

I've been really blessed with some of the girls I've been with. Had some really good experiences which were beyond what I imagined when I was a teenager. All those memories of laying with a different gorgeous girl asleep in your arm, running your finger up and down her spine, you just breathe deep and realize life is good.

Girls are just adult children, why does convincing her matter to you?

>How do i respond? keep in mind she is very emotional
You don't.

for most of soviet history the shelves were full

Could you shed some light on how fucked Venezuela really is? genuinely curious since no one really talks about that shit

Here's some Sage advice user: turn 360 degrees and walk away

Just tell her that she's fucking retarded and go away, you don't have to prove anything to autistic socialist scum, especially womens, they don't even read Lenin and Marx

>She said, in capitalist society the stores are full because most people can't afford to buy the stuff in the stores.
I work in a grocery store, this is just bullshit. The stores are full because a store that lets the shelves stay empty long is losing on the opportunity to sell something. Any store will order more than they can reasonably sell in a given period of normal time to avoid this problem. Now, that is in a normal period. Look at when a storm or natural disaster is on the forecast. Certain products will fly off the shelves because people stock up in case they can't later. They can fucking afford it, which is why they fly off the shelf when demand exceeds the given supply.

Also, we get credit from the distributor for anything perishable that doesn't sell on time. Non-perishables are like that sometimes too. There's no reason not to stock them higher than demand when we can get credit and get more shit.

Furthermore, the exact opposite happens in the store when people don't buy products, we REDUCE their shelf presence or stop fucking ordering it because it takes up shelf space that we could have another better selling product on. And again, we get credit when that shit doesn't sell too, so we can have it there for a couple months before upper management says it has to go.

>Stores are half empty in Venezuela because the ruling communist scum destroyed the private productive sector.

no its bc you dont have that much domestic agriculture, dont have foriegn currency reserves and bc oil is so low cant buy any. Literally if the price of oil was good you'd be fine. Should have invested in domestic agriculture. now if you capitalist stooges take power you will become a vassal of the u.s. good job pedro.

How do you afford this? Are you one of the elite ruling class?

Isn't there also unwanted food rotting on the shelves in Venezuela?

>A socialist girl
>the goods are given away

Sounds like my kind of girl.

I like girls that just give it away.

>A socialist girl i know said she can explain why stores were half empty in the soviet union and venezuela. She said, in capitalist society the stores are full because most people can't afford to buy the stuff in the stores. In socialist society, the stores are half empty because the goods are given away to people as soon as they are produced.

hahaha
in USSR all the goods were stolen by workers of different food factories (in every producion facikity, workers stole basically everything), and thensold illegally for 5*average price,
also planned state-controlled ecenomy constantly needed a dotations from the government, which were cut, because govt tend to spend monies on such wonderful things like landing on venus, landing on moon, nuclear warheads and running "liberation" wars across the world

Lemme get that pussy redistribute this dick up in your life

isn't it funny how every other poster on Cred Forums personally knows somebody who lived through the soviet union

how about she actually talks with someone who has lived in that time period`?
memories of people who have made the transition from socialism to capitalism exists.
Or to put it in another way.. Read a book, cunt!

I personally donĀ“t have to ponder too much on the subject since my parents have made this issue very clear to me. Consumer product might have been cheaper in many cases but they simply were not available in any quantity.
few key products did exist that stores never ran out of - one such item was black bread. It was so cheap, farmers fed pigs with it.
There was no starvation and no homelessness but when you did manage to have money - your options on spending it where very limited.

I drive by this arepa place every day... Are they any good?

Alot of people DO know former citizens of the Soviet Union. Do you have any idea how many people emigrated after it collapsed?

Venezuela

>Even africa hasn't had a famine in 20 years
tell that to the kids in Darfur, or the ones in Nigeria, or the damn googs of Ziwbabwe

there are no girls on Cred Forums

damn roosh did you make it to straya?

WTF?! IS SHE RETARDED OR WHAT? HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!

Why would any business owner, with profit being its main goal, would decide to set their prices so high that no one would buy their goods? Holy fucking shit, It has to be those fucking (((professors))) spewing those shit into her brain.

Also, if the price is too low, people tend to buy more of a certain good than they need; a bad allocation of resources.

>it's easier for a guy to get food shipped from the US than food in his own country
That's pretty fucked

>Food is not an issue in any country anymore

Why don't you come here and see for yourself?

Is that her?

I hope she sucks dick better than she reasons, otherwise her future doesn't look very good.

If you argue with an idiot, then there are two idiots arguing.

pretty much this

How do you respond?
By saying that she's a complete retard and she made it up.

Not an argument.

You must understand that our hatred is not just based on the words of angry autistic virgins.

Ask her if she can throat your dick to the base. If she can without gaging than socialism is pretty cool.

Your grandparents had a shit job that's it
My grandma was store manager during soviet times and her family had all the shit like good meat, cheese and other kinds of food which was hard to get in ussr. It's just like nowadays; these days you need to get paid well to eat decent food

so it's just a coincidence that people are starving in all those countries too

they get all the food they need and then lose it on the way home I guess

>she is very emotional

Shoot her in the head and bury the corpse somewhere it'll never be found.

There's a massive toilet paper shortage

The argument fails on the assumption that an unlimited number of goods exist to be taken at consistently low prices. The reality is that insufficient supply exists to satisfy demand and will not correct itself with price adjustments or increased employment in that particular sector of products as unemployment is already at 0%.

I've heard varying reports. From what I've heard, there was enough food that people ate and lived fairly long lives, but there wasn't anything near the aisles and aisles of different brands like in the USA.

then whats the fucking point of the store

theres no counterpoint, shes just wrong

>A socialist girl
> keep in mind she is very emotional
tell her about the story when I was a child and had to wake up at 5 o'clock in the morning to go with my grandfather to que up for milk rations. Sometimes you got it. sometimes you didn't and I cried. But when you got that milk you just knew that socialism was good.

There were famines in capitalist countries (Bengladesh, countless African countries) and socialist countries (North Korea) after the 60's

This isn't true. The shelves are filled because they empty quickly and workers restock them. A Walmart gets dozens of trucks every week.

top fucking kek

I refuse to believe this and count it as honorary bait

Even Boris Yeltsin was amazed by American supermarkets.

Not the entire story. There's also a lot about the very low unemployment making firing and replacing workers almost impossible, and several other economic factors that emerged around the mid 1970s.

You are describing the current state of the problem.

15 years ago we didn't have these problems, the chavistas destroyed the economy expropriating and nationalizing.

Example: There were 5-7 coffee brands in our country, like any country in the world you could go to the supermarket and buy the brand you like. What happened? They thought it was a great idea to expropriate all this factories and put the factories in the hands of the workers.

After that, you couldn't find a fucking lb of coffee because the bad administration of the factories, the corruption and the laziness of the workers.

Nope, you could say I'm a richfag by Venezuelan standards..

You could try them. Maybe a "catira" (Chicken and cheese).

Pretty fuckup, but I can't

reason.com/blog/2016/08/22/venezuelas-ban-lines-at-bakeries-bread

kek

is that a refugee rape material?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't Venezuela relied partially on imported food for a long time?

>She said, in capitalist society the stores are full because most people can't afford to buy the stuff in the stores.

Well, she's just fucking wrong. The stores are full because in order for stores to make money they have to be able to provide a supply that meets the demand, and therefore you have massive logistics chains of warehouses, transport trucks/planes/boats and so on to get shit where it needs to be in time for people to buy it, and then have them restocked for the next day.

If she thinks "most people" can't afford the shit in a grocery store, she's fucking stupid and you shouldn't breed with her. Let her go burn coal and raise her kids alone.

China is doing way better than Vietnam and is far more communist

I find it interesting how people defend their bosses even off the clock. It's like stockholm syndrome.

I hope you gave them STDs.

The last famine occurred in the mid 1940s.

i'm non-violent so no way

>If you argue with an idiot, then there are two idiots arguing
What do yo call the third one jumping in?

OP is a faggot confirmed

>Food is not an issue in any country anymore.

Holy fuck you are stupid.

>I find it interesting how people defend their bosses even off the clock. It's like stockholm syndrome.

Because not everyone is a fucking failure like you who hates their boss and their job, dipshit. Some of us are actually gainfully employed.

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(Cont) Pretty fuckup, but I can't stand in a line for 6-8 hours a day to buy food. Gotta work too.

Of course but not on this level. When the oil was high on price these motherfuckers thought it was easier to import food than produce it ourselves.

shes kind of right though

capitalism historically overproduces beyond what people want and as an effect communal society cant consume everything it produces. marketing is the mechanism by which our society decides and is told in which form our wealth should be kept, even if its not useful

its too bad resources arent spent according to the individual demand

>Even africa hasn't had a famine in 20 years.

Sudan - 1998
Ethiopia - 1998
Niger - 2005
Somalia - 2011
Senegal, Gambia, Niger, Mauritania, Mali, Burkina Faso - 2012

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_famines

That's not entirely true. The Soviet Union began to "run out" of jobs for people and started to assign people to do useless shit like monitoring stairways to make sure civilians would walk up and down them correctly.

Why is your tulpa a socialist girl?

Yeah, how dare anyone acknowledge that someone else is better than them? You and I are perfect in every single way, and the only reason we're not living in paradise is because the man is keeping us down.

Coordinating a diversified economy is easy, people will work really hard jobs if they're paid identically to everyone else, and we're all equal and equally replaceable.

Fucking Ceausescu. By far one of the worst in the later years of the Eastern Bloc. I can't believe the USA supported that fucker.

>>>/reddit/

>gommunism is the same thing as welfare! gib me dat free shit XD

Employment was compulsory by law in the Soviet Union and you would be sent to a work camp (jail) if you refused to work when fit to do so.

>the chavistas destroyed the economy expropriating and nationalizing.

didnt the economy and standard of living improve under chavez?

> There were 5-7 coffee brands in our country

muh 5-7 brands! who cares?

> you couldn't find a fucking lb of coffee

maybe now but when the price of oil was good i doubt this was actually true. just exaggeration.

hi newfag

This.

so exactly like how walmart hires greeters?

>these motherfuckers thought it was easier to import food than produce it ourselves.

isnt this a strategic error? Wouldnt you be having the same problem even if it was a capitalist country?

>Everyone everywhere can afford food.

This is some next level bait.

>goods are given away to people as soon as they are produced
If no goods are produced and accordingly there are no goods to give away, is this technically a true statement?

You had me till really hard jobs part, since the amount of hard work or difficulty has absolutely nothing to do with pay scale.

I wouldn't drive the truck and suck shit out of shit houses for all the tea in China, yet they make far less than I and my job is a fucking cakewalk for anyone not mentally retarded.

>Food is not an issue in any country anymore
Thanks for the chuckle.

Capitalism creates waste.
Socialism has nearly no waste.
Its pretty hard to waste food when there is none.

Yeah. Except for the USSR it was able bodied adult who would have been put to better use in a Capitalist society.

Are you trying to fuck this girl? Trying to talk politics with a girl you are trying to fuck is one of the dumbest things you can do.

>I wouldn't drive the truck and suck shit out of shit houses for all the tea in China, yet they make far less than I and my job is a fucking cakewalk for anyone not mentally retarded.
Why haven't you been fired?

I remember seeing a chart showing some clear improvements in poverty reduction and standard of living from about 2003 to 2007. However, the last few years have seen a decrease in oil prices and a subsequent economic collapsed, accompanied by shortages of consumer goods and increases in mortality rates and serious malnutrition.

You know most countries import a lot of their food?

They're just not socialist shitholes so they can afford to make it work.

Because I make my corporate masters millions of dollars.
Last year alone I saved them hundreds of thousands of dollars in lost production because I'm highly motivated and care about my performance and reputation.

to be fair we were all amazed when Trix came out with Ice cream bars.

>didnt the economy and standard of living improve under chavez?

are you serious?

>muh 5-7 brands! who cares?

surely you like eating shit. I myself dont.

>maybe now but when the price of oil was good i doubt this was actually true. just exaggeration.

When the price of oil was good, of course it wasn't this bad. However, they never did shit to avoid this because they were too busy with populism.

psst. It's better to overproduce than underproduce, especially for things like food and homes.

tell her to believe that when she waits a week for a turnip

If we're being real, Zimbabwe experienced/is experiencing a food shortage because Mugabe is a shit-tier leader and not at all pragmatic.

Ex-USSR guy here, ask ur qustions.

I know. Trinidad & Tobago is a great example. But Venezuela isn't a tiny island. We could produce our own food.

I don't get your point.

If your job is a cakewalk, they could hire three Mexicans and save even more. Why don't they?

Either it's not an easy job, you're forgetting an important component like people skills, or your boss is an idiot.

> Let her go burn coal and raise her kids alone.
Hello Tyrone.

yeah i am serious. Chavez was based and was good for the country. But he and more so the maduro government made a huge tactical mistake in not developing domestic agriculture, not diversifying the economy and not buying up foreign currency reserves. This mistake could have also been made by a capitalist government. Why are you refusing to understand this? Are you a zika baby?

brah, your argument can be 100% watertight logically coherent and it'll fall on deaf ears. You need to appeal to her emotions.

feels > reals with women

Right, it's a solution... ultimately leading to OP winning the argument.

>youre fucking retarded
should work

or just point out that the people were starving to the point they broke into a zoo and slaughtered a horse

First, about half-empty stores: that's not true. All stores were full of goods, but variety was VERY poor. Typical provincial food store assortment: grey macaronies, margarin, cigarettes, canned fish, canned green tomatoes. Cigarettes, matches.

Many different kinds at prices that allowed one to buy much more of them. Thats what made America great and thats why it now isnt.

Rape and kill that bitch

The stores where empty because of bad production and missmenegment fuckt up pre plan economy.

There was nothing to buy or be proud of.

Bread lines.

Lots of theft. Blackmarket dealing.

A shit show. Tell her shes a dumb cunt and knows jack shit.

i dont get it

Things weren't given for free in the CCCP.

Also tell her to succ

Eh, all I need to do is drop about ten to twelve pounds of fat and replace it seven or so of muscle. Nothing just a couple or a few months of relaxed work can't fix.

Through diet alone (and cutting back on beer) Ive gone from 182 to about 162 in just under three months.

No you don't, in America a giant fucking steak costs $5 (320 Rubles) and we consider that expensive. Food is by far the easiest thing you can get in America. Housing is for the rich, but no one starves in a Capitalist society.

google pinochet throwing communists out of helicopters

Thats what they said before shuting up... forever

does she think the stock in supermarkets is static? top kek

So... does she think there's really a point to any store if the produce is just given away?

if you're telling me your costs of living havent gone up you should eat shit

>people in the western world can't afford 5 dollar t-shirts

wew lad

>yeah i am serious. Chavez was based and was good for the country.

Please stop this nonsense.

> But he and more so the maduro government made a huge tactical mistake in not developing domestic agriculture, not diversifying the economy and not buying up foreign currency reserves.

Tactical mistake? HAHAHAHA.

So you are admitting that this was all either him being retarded or just not giving a fuck about what would happen after oil prices went down?

So what is it you fucking cunt? Was he too retarded or too busy being corrupt and winning votes? Truly a based and good for the country man.

>This mistake could have also been made by a capitalist government.

I am not going to bother arguing this because I would have to start asking you what the fuck is a "capitalist country" in your retarded commie definition book to start off.

no one cares, dingo fucker

How old are you?

Well we had bazaars for other stuff. I remember going there as 4 y.o., watching cows and pigs being slaughtered and taken apart while my grandma was telling me how tasty these will be in our borsch.
Great i'm hungry now.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Orlando_Letelier

Be careful you commie scum

When was the quality of life better: under communism or under the oligarchy?

She's gorgeous and I'm a literal faggot and she speaks true and well. Like a man. What a woman

damn she's a special kind of stupid

Tell me in your own words what living in the USSR was like.

I'll throw you a tip. Tell her that Putin is right wing. That Canada suffers under the same embargoes as them and as Venezuela but that Russia gets away with it because it is zionist and right wing. Mention that trump and putin might also be pedos and she'll marry you in a few months

>is about living standards as a whole which includes housing, healthcare, education, leisure, etc
Ok. tell her there was no anesthesia in dental clinics till mid '90s. Really.

pic: russian food.

Did you put pop cans in food and other fetuses, insects, and floor sweepings?

>How do i respond? keep in mind she is very emotional and so the argument has to be really good.

I was hungry and stores were empty, because there was no incentive for personal achievements and to produce anything, the government equaled the mafia and corruption was wide spread.... not because people bought it right away.

t. lived during terrible communist times

Tell your friend to suck my Big Bulgarian Cock. She is dumb as a box wooden shavings.

>In socialist society, the stores are half empty because the goods are given away to people as soon as they are produced.
If goods are given away then why the fuck are there "stores" where you pay money for things?

It's either gulags or fiat moni invisible hand globalist refugee "free" trade BS with you isn't it

My boss is one of the richest families on earth.
One of the largest privately held corporation on earth, nobody know how much it is worth except the top of the chain.

Our bread and butter is government contracts, but we dominate the private sector as well. We produce durable goods, but our institution is cemented in the industry and made insanely rich by the patents the family owns... one of whom was nominated for the Nobel Prize.

Management is busy fleecing the company for all they can since the patriarch of the family died. The lack of respect for people who know how to run the company is prevalent, as young graduates fuck up everything they are tasked with.

The old man left an epitaph. He's quoted as saying management is often the enemy of production. This is proven true everyday.

You could fire half of my colleagues and it would only increase our production and profit margin. Our endless schedule of company meetings serves only to justify our inflated salaries.

>Venezuela
>producing goods

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Ā”No hay pan! Is that not clear enough for you, milady?

Rich people had food. Don't believe the media. Don't believe this board until it heals and becomes antizionist antidemon again

>being the degeneracy Cred Forums keeps trying to point out is decaying western civilisation
>brags on Cred Forums about being said degeneracy
You're using the wrong flavour of autism, friendo

it's communism you idiot. you don't get to have things your neighbors don't. Enjoy your State-issued carpet. maybe want to hang it on the wall to be a little different

What the fuck are you talking about, leaf?

This was 3 months ago, you can see this kind of line everywhere you go. People camping at supermarkets just waiting for food to arrive. Doing the line doesn't guarantee you will buy something.

Here's the thing. Star Trek is not capitalist. Hitler had haavara. Trump is a greater israel anti nato stooge. Christ was not capitalist. I don't want 612 sauce pans. If everybody gets a free saucepan and they're all the same fucken saucepan and everybody is equal. Then how is this bad. Yes God creating differences is amazing. But science makes us feel apart. Socialism binds us

I want our nations to do well within themselves. We all cucked ourselves with globalist fiat capitalism leading the way

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My nation's centre left is libertarian

A capitalist governmet doesnt expropiate , our problem is the national production because Chavez and Maduro stole over 4000 big factories to their owners. And at this moment we are receiving less money for the oil to buy to other countries the food and other things we need.

Our inflation this year is 700%

>In socialist society, the stores are half empty because the goods are given away to people as soon as they are produced.
then why are they starving to death on the streets and picking through trash?

meanwhile nobody starves to death in america and we even have fat homeless people.

You know it's a dude, right?

>implying people in the Soviet Union and Venezuela didn't have to pay for food
>AT ALL

Waaa women are shit and I want Hitler women but this one is beautiful and wise and socialist and nationalist but her party name isn't national socialist so kill her? Bunker down the fortress eh

no its not

>what is a bubble

>he cannot debate simple economics

why not just give that girl to me so i can pound her into the floor

>In socialist society, the stores are half empty because the goods are given away to people as soon as they are produced.

My Venezuelan friend you are being trolled by a retard, stop giving him (you)s

>navel is underneath the narrowest part of the waist
You're right

>keep in mind she is very emotional
Then there is no winning. No matter what you say she will go with her emotions over the most irrefutable facts

"Wow you're retarded, stick to sucking cock"

> walk away

>it is said leaves are shitty posters
>this pic
Yeah nah

That's not what a bubble is you stupid shit. A bubble is when there's artificial demand as the sole driving force for demand, causing the price of an asset to sore far beyond what people would normally pay for it. See: Turlips, South Seas Trading Company, Dot Com, Real Estate.

Call her a retarded cunt

Corbyn is a monster, I hope he gets BTO forever

I completely agree that most Canadians are giant faggots though.

yes arepas are delicious

Tell her that capitalism drives the prices of goods down, so even people with little income can buy.
If she doesn`t agree send her to Venezuela, so she can partake of the wonders of socialism.

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Sorry mate, it hit too close home.

It's hard to not bite the bait when you live in the same country as retards who spout bullshit like that unironically.

This.

Aaaand now I couldn't think any less of you. Lemme know once you hit the ice wall. youtube.com/watch?v=zuQK6t2Esng

This is why old economy steve is not a meme

>just 5392 vote machines country-wide to collect 20% of votes
WE'RE FUCKED
NO REFERENDUM

I think I love her.

Are they queuing fun? How long have they been British?

How should you approach this though? I would very calmly sit her down, take her hand, look seriously into her eyes and tell her she's a stupid cunt.

Seems decent, would eat

You're friend is simply, a moron.

The stores are empty because nothing of value is produced.

She's just too dumb to have any chance of understanding.

Ever.

Send her the cock pick and ride to glory or crash and burn, but be done with her.

>a _____ girl
>a girl
>a womb life support system

Capitalist
>People buy food from supermarket
>Store hires people to stock food up as soon as it starts getting empty
>Store makes profit and buys more food to be shipped in and pay their employees
>rinse and repeat

Socialism
>give away food
>no profit, can't afford employees to constantly be there to restock shelves
>store can't afford to buy more food for the store
>people lose their job because store can't afford to pay them
>Store can't afford more food
>store eventually goes empty and broke

Why do you even bother?

>Socialism
>give away food

no.

Fuck her anally. She must submit.

>store can't afford to buy more food for the store
>Store can't afford more food
My bad for repeating myself

So a company is going to buy the shelf space, inventory and shipping etc. just to have their product sit on the self? When people dont buy the product, the company does not make money.

Just what every company wants, have their product not being bought. Makes sense.

Yes they do give away food
Look at Venezuela

>Tell me in your own words what living in the USSR was like.
Umm.. it's a complex task. In one word i'll call soviet life "shit".
First of all, it was very poor even in current Russian standards - two pair of shoes (one for winter, the other one for summer), two pairs of trouses, a coat. To get an one-bedroom apartment you have to work about 20 years. To buy a car 10-15 years. Bad healthcare, no information sources other than state approved, two channels on tv.
From the other side, everybody lived in that way, we didn't know about other life. No responsibility - the state guaranteed an education, a job and a pension. A job was a piece of cake - to get fired was practically impossible, many workers drunk vodka in a workplace in a work time. Paradise for infantile - no gains and no responsibility. Relax and drink vodka. No business - private business was a state crime.
There was no sex propaganda, it was a shame to show sexuality. But finding a girl for fuck was not a problem, even for me, a 16 yo sligtly autistic schoolboy.
The main feature was double life, for everybody. One life was public, with hails to communist party, soviet union, the morals of communism builders, the other was private "fuck all that shit and drink vodka". Life in a mental cage.

>capitalists have the balls to own a real and not zionist public bank
Does anybody have the gadaffi meme where he showers everybody with money? They git rid of him because of attacking the petro dollar

This is great. I'm a Christian, not a loudmouth one - but one time the subject sort of came up amongst some acquaintances and I was simply trying to say, revelations might simply be a posthumously written history of the fall of Jerusalem and not a crazy prophesy about dragons and horns and shit for 2,000 years in the future and a random guy put his hand on my back and told me to go fuck myself.

Really hard to argue that if you aren't insane or socially crippled.

Fucking lots of chicks was cool the last decade, now pussy has lost all value thanks to Tinder and the likes and anyone can easily get laid, you're not impressing anyone you retarded convict.

t. good-looking man looking for a girlfriend and not some hook-up tatted whore

Guess how many hours a minimum wage person needs to work to live. 100! We pay far less in tax for poor fags than on corporations. It's getting bad out there. Socialists don't make robits to steal your job. Why even have a government if we are common law cucks who want complete anarchy. I find more freedom in having a mixed economy. Sue me

Sounds pretty nice. We have all the bad shit you described without any of the good

In a week

Money still exists and it is used.
Venezuela's problem is that thought their oil profits would last forever and that they could subsidize everything without developing any industry.
Same problem as saudi arabia or russia or any other country that relied too much on oil.
Capitalism and communism are very similar anyways.
Smith's and Marx's theories both have the same concept of money (commodity based) and believe that the main struggle is between the working class and industry while I would argue that it's between industry+workers vs finance as the working class does benefit from advances in industry.

Money exists? Listen bud. Every single dollar in existence is an interest payment

wut
not what im talking about.
I just said that in a socialist/communist system money still exists.
And it's not every single dollar. Money issued by the US Treasury is interest free.

>Guess how many hours a minimum wage person needs to work to live. 100!
Yea that's because the government is corrupt as fuck, we live in a capitalist economy and we are doing fine
How many hours do I work a week? 32 and I live in a nice apartment, can afford nice food and be able to go out on weekends.

Don't blame the system, blame your shitty fucking government for taking advantage of the system

>why stores were half empty in the soviet union
Only before the dissolution and after.

>Venezuela

Venezuela is capitalist. I don't know how you guys can classify it otherwise

>The dollar
>Being anything

There is nothing backing the dollar,leaf.
Only Skypes owning the Federal Reserve which is as federal as federal express.
And anyone who dares to stand up to the dollar gets bombed the fuck out
See gaddafi And Hitler

Why are people such cucks? The frogger asshole from this board. Cuck is one of his names. It's for who he shills. Every central bank is outsourced as backed in nothing debt currency. As an oil barrel in bonds and social security and directly to secretive boards and to rothschild. We used to back in gold because that is a thing. You shat on its face. Muh free markets muh capitalism muh aspirations. All bullshit. Enjoy the guano sundae

Boris Yeltsin visits Randall's

Yes. Also haavara
You didn't grow up on the same planet I did. You think it's a globe anyways. Reagan and both Bushes and everybody since 1919 has been a communist eh

An argument rarely changes people's minds, but a well time cunt will shut them up for a bit.

And here come the fabians

goddamn

Oh yes it's such a believable meme yes it is. Here comes the airplane. Mmm pablum

OK considering the age of most of Cred Forums's users and the fact that the Soviet Bloc started to crumble when the Berlin Wall came down in 89, I doubt very much any of you have first hand experience of Soviet Russia.
As a naive but militant member of The Scottish Socialist Workers Party i had the opportunity to visit Moscow in 1986. This visit changed my whole view on Communism ans Socialism completely.
Gorbarchev was the new kid in the Duma and everywhere you looked there was Perestroika and Glasnost(openness and friendship).

cont

Venezuela in the 50s:
youtube.com/watch?v=aCuG5xPmaAo

At that time you had to arrange your visit through the Russian tourist agency Intourist, an off shoot of the KGB albeit a nice smiley off shoot. You were allocated a chaperone and you could not leave your hotel without him/her.Everything you saw,everywhere you visited, everyone you talked too was vetted and okayed via this Intourist "guide".
The shops indeed have bare shelves, there was very little in stock.The reason for this was quotas, every producer had state quotas to meet before manufacturing luxury goods.This means basically you must make 10,000 tractors this year Komrade then you can make cameras if you have A: the time and B: the resources.
Health care was and still is probably the best health care system globally.Though some of the treatments are weird, google "phage".
Housing was substandard to say the least, but coming from one of the rougher parts of Glasgow seemed only just below housing standards of Greater Glasgow Council. You would often find 3 generations sharing the same 2 bedroom flat. But on the plus side, the housing was often heated via excess heat generated by neighbouring factories via steam or or air ducting.
Having rented a Lada we were told that if we park the car we MUST remove windscreen wipers, door mirrors etc, anything easily removed because the waiting list for spare parts was around 18 months.
Food was plentiful though, but perhaps Intourist made sure we never went hungry.

I came home from that trip and as I stepped onto Scottish soil at Glasgow Airport i reached into my wallet, took out my SSWP membership card, tore it up and tossed it into the nearest bin

Reagan and Trump are the same person. Only. One says tear down this wall and the other builds east germany in north america

Nordic democracies do well. Cuba is better now than whatever the last guy's casino name was

and May and Thatcher are one in the same.
i foresee another US/UK double act, Trump and May.
the world will regret this

>You didn't grow up on the same planet I did.
Yes I did, just not the same country
>You think it's a globe anyways.
What? Care to explain what you meant by this?

Right on governor

That you're a shill. The earth cannot be a fucking ball and it shows how easily people get cucked. You go on and on about the glorious Boomer capitalism I couldn't care less about. Am I a commie? No. I'm a Christian social democrat

>virgin detected

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Sounds like everything I hate. Useless husks that have the gaull to call themselves human beings, with no plans on ever being of use to anyone or doing anything in the world, living like animals day to day like useless piles of meat. If I didn't hate commies before I sure do now.

Did you even read anything I said?
Anyways.
Money, by definition does not need to be backed by anything but the law.
The gold standard was in place because it benefited the people who owned that gold. We moved to a fiat money system because it also benefits the people who issue the money.
Fiat money does not need to be debt if the government are the only ones allowed to issue it.
The Fed and the Fractional reserve system is the reason why most of the money is debt, not the fact that the money is fiat.

>Rh-factor refers to monkeys

There was one more thing: "deficit". Eg, one couldn't BUY meat, he had to GET it. To "get" means to find a store which had a meat (it was not easy, in my hometown there was about 30 stores, and to find that there was no meat was usual). Then one have to wait in a line, usually a few hours. And only then, if meat was not sold, one could by a 1 (or 2) kg portion. When I was a child parents took me to stores, because with me they could buy one portion more.
Btw, meat in soviets stores was very bad - bones, hoofs and so on. It was cheap, but very bad. Cheap, bad, but one couldn't buy it.
Practically everything was a "deficit". Butter, eggs, sugar, meat, even bananas and oranges. I saw banana for the first time when I was 10 yo, and I was very afraid to eat them - I thought i'll became a monkey. Color TVs, tape recorders (not japan-made, shitty soviet-made) was a "deficit" too. In late 80's my mother managed to visit West Germany (it was a very difficult quest, one couldn't leave USSR without many permissions from different authorities), and brought video tape recorder and a simple cassette player - that's was VERY BIG "deficit". With that player I was king of a school for a year, yes. Just stupid player.

fuckon rare!

We could have been those gold owners. Fiat benefits those who make money. The press is owned by the mountainous zionists and the money cannot be converted to gold. You must also foolishly believe that common law is good and that man should be interpreting God's law

A capitalist country would have diversified just by being capitalist. Central planning is a joke.

RARE
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Because in a socialist country they don't work people at night so they can be with their families. Not everyone has a strong bull at home to keep their kids and wife safe.

It's only missing a tortilla to be an American burrito
>15 years ago we didn't have these problems, the chavistas destroyed the economy expropriating and nationalizing.
15 years ago you had the same problems, Venezuela was a shithole before Chavez that had a short reemergence during his rule
You seem to be way too young, are you even 18?
tbqh Venezuela didn't take well the 2008 global economic crisis, and never really recover from that
The oil glut is the final nail in the coffin

how is that relevant?

The same men played both sides like with this race stuff over here now and the terrorist stuff and the wars on drugs and the anti Christian protecting wars in Syria and stuff. Nobody would have permitted you to not have faced embargoes and sanctions. But you can agree about moon landings and bullshit weaponry stories. Then both sides now work toward the one world ZOG and what can we do? Should do? Not much to be honest. Pray?

my god you are retarded

Get deep

Those are excellent explanations as to why you say that

>Central planning is a joke
Nope, it's real. Real soviet store, for example.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

THEN ASK HER WHY THE STORE OWNER DOESN'T BUY MORE FOOD TO RESTOCK IF THEY ALL SOLD OUT TO MAXIMIZE PROFIT

Put that man within any modern day capitalist shit show and tell me how his garbage pensions would change anything

>We could have been those gold owners.
This is as delusional as saying we shouldn't tax billionaires because one day I'll become one.
With a commodity based money system the people who own the commodity to start with always win in the end. Be it through usury, controlled inflation or deflation or any other way, you are still giving the power to create/control money to private entities who will abuse it to obtain more power.
>You must also foolishly believe that common law is good and that man should be interpreting God's law
wut

>Nordic democracies do well.

fuck you leaf

So that it doesn't exchange hands 82 million times and you pay the difference?

Those disgusting lifeless broken and apathetic glassy eyes. Gross

>We could produce our own food.
So could Mexico, but the americans do it cheaper and thanks to NAFTA they can't be taxed to protect the mexican farmer
Pretty much the same applies to most countries

That sure is a fine looking slag.

Gold grows in the ground like potatoes do. As to the wat with the common law cuckery. Just study civil and common law systems and why they came to differ. We have the rare and garbage one. Play ace attorney. You'll notice differences. Based Japan uses based Roman law. We use some magna carta witchcraft
Meh. Did you endorse the war in Syria? No? Don't blame left

Sure take a look at Saudi Arabia or Iran or even Canada.
Capitalism does whatever is profitable.
If oil was extremely profitable it would be the main industry.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_disease

>straight out of some dystopian YA novel
Wow yeah good proof buddy, you're a regular John Galt

>That you're a shill.
>I'm a Christian social democrat
Firstly calling me a shill just because I proved to you that capitalism does work means you are an immature cunt that can't even accept the fact that capitalism does work

I couldn't care about the fucking boomer capitalism, all I know that it works today and Australia is living proof that it works, I am not "cucked" by my system because I live a good life and have money to afford great things.
>Are you a commie?
You sound like one and don't come back with your christian socialist bullshit

Like as I said previously, don't blame the system, blame the corruption which is tearing your country from the inside out and also the reason why our countries are different is because America (also highly corrupt) has more influence over your country, and Communist China has more influence over us.

And not to mention, we don't let international corruption affect us too, We arrest our corrupt politicians, we told the UN to fuck off with their open border bullshit and we don't let other countries dictate our economy

Take your haldol, leaf. Too much cracky for you today

thanks bub

I don't think that article ever mentions the origination of the term. Tulip bulbs were fashionable in capitalist Holland way back in the 1600s. Went from dirt cheap and tanked their economy when the foreigners engaged in merchant globalism and drove up the price 16,000%. Just like sneakers and french fries now. I hate it all. Watch commercials. Try and notice how sing song they are as though dish soap can change your life. Once a man makes more than 70K in fiat moni he CANNOT BECOME ANY HAPPIER. The number one indicator of economic success is that of your father

That man on a picture had enough money to buy decent food. Only one nuance: there was practically no food in stores.

That kind of makes sense. If food were free it'd fly off the shelves instantly.

So people died of starvation in the streets. I mean the kgb is ugly and sinful as shit but what. All that shit disappears with capitalism?

>Gold grows in the ground like potatoes do.
However it is extremely rare and the people who own the mines are the ones that already own most of the gold.
The point is that if you allow bankers to run the monetary system they will make it act in their own interest for obvious reasons.
And don't really know much about law, never studied it.

tell her its because the poor management of the goverment towards the low price petrol barrels(i dont know how is it called). They didnt prepare for that

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>This mistake could have also been made by a capitalist government.

Yeah, because capitalist or market economy driven governments are famous for centrally planning the economy.

A real life American commie trying to educate a Venezuelan on his own country. Now I've seen it all.
To be fair, our leftist media rode Chavez dick pretty hard and our state television even aired his funeral.
Been really quite about Venezuela since it all started going to shit.

>Everyone everywhere can afford food.

Youve never been outside the states have you? Lots, LOTS of people go hungry.

Listen you prick. Between my next door neighbour studying the shitty common laws and making a mess of that. Or studying the sensical and moral civil codes then great. If he wants to study economy and exchange his assets for a different asset produced by the same entity? Then great. We do it with death pledges now. Oops i mean mortgages. You choose to make excuses for why he shouldn't do any of this AND to cover the asses of the masons. Good work

Yea but explain where the profit of it comes from? A country can only afford to give away free food if they are able to make cash in another area of the economy to afford it

And lets not forget if food were free, what is stopping people from taking more than they actually need? like what if you were the last one in the store and miss out on getting food?

>this much schizophrenia
Please kill yourself, you disgusting piece of shit degenerate. Have you not had your cigarette to neutralize your disordered thinking? Your mother should have aborted you or been killed so that you'd never have lived.

it has some grain of truth, but also remember people in nations like the USA are all fed (no-one starves to death in the 1st world) and food production is much higher. the capitalist system better looks after its people's welfare than socialist faggotry

But we never saw the goods. My parents and grandparents were there.

Also the argument in the OP is retarded. Sure, some of the goods in a store in a market economy does go to waste, but most of it gets sold eventually to someone who finds use for it. Do she think that no one ever buys the goods?

The concept of a "store" in a socialist country is not even the same as in a capitalist one. In a true socialist country, the store mostly acts like a distribution center. Why would it have spare goods if it knows how much it is supposed to distribute?

Meanwhile, in a market economy the store functions like most of us are used to. To compare the two and try to make a point is like apples and oranges.

Would you mind somehow shrinking your nose, that is so big i can see it in front of me with your greasy orange inbred ungodly imposter neanderthal arm buried elbow deep for gold? Go fuck a bagel, serpent

what the fuck are you even on about

Words. Ya broke the world. Your greedy asses always break the world. I don't need fiat moni shills and a bunch of Penischets with their dick helicopters

>So people died of starvation in the streets
In late USSR - no. There was no famine, some very basic food (grey macaroni, cooking fat, green tomatoes) was in every food store, and was very cheap. But that's all.
Btw, one comic named USSR "a country of evergreen tomatoes". It was after 1985, before 1985 he would be jailed for such joke.

on ya mate
Australians like you are a credit to our nation

Honestly that sounds really nice. The amish were right and you know what? Bread is $4 and farms are $850K

He didn't prove anything. You are posting frogs that imply that you are being oppressed by a pharaoh. You actually claim powers to it and claim you are the Biblically oppressed We Wuzes? No wonder member berries are a meme

Walmart greeters are basically socially based loss prevention. They can prevent law abiding citizens from accidentally leaving the store with something they didn't pay for (normally something under the cart). They also delay less experienced shoplifters allowing loss prevention to get into position. As an added benefit most people enjoy being greeted, and they can provide directions around the store.

Source: worked as Loss Prevention

Fiat money vs commodity money is not a real debate as I've explained.
Privately controlled money issue vs government controlled money issue is.
Stop with the autism.

You're right. This would be a terrible, terrible thing. In a poor country, the ones who were there first and could carry the most would get the most. The rest would get nothing. They solved this through ration cards, which ment that each family got less than an american family could buy through salaries made.

speaking in the context of the cold war obviously. russian expats have made similar comments when visiting Sweden, and redpilled a whole lot of them.

he's not a whinging cunt who cant appreciate the good that's here in Australia.
according to the story the pharaohs were oppressed by the frog.. its a fucking meme son

Then you have one nose for the other. Hence my neighbour rant. Let him go to the bank. With his private OR state OR globalist currency. And have him say gimme this much gold, Woman. You say no. I say yes. You say goobermint nothingness moni is different from any other kind of nothingness moni just because Mort isn't collecting the interest. Let your fucking neighbour CONVERT the interest. YOU'RE the one with the fucking autism you polio vaccine non Rife machine-believing-fuck

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA tell me where in the Bible it says any sympathies or of the sort when it comes to the pharaoh

In a capitalist society the prices are determined by competition and what the customers are willing to pay, therefore you have invention and diversity in goods.
In communism you have the same god damned loaf of bread for the rest of your life.
Capitalism will breed change and evolution, communism will hinder it.

Yeah bro eating like a fucking peasant and waiting in line for hours to buy meat sure sounds neato. Down with capitalism!

Hi 1950s donald duck. When was the last time fucking dick all of anything was lowered in price? Fiat money and tax cuts for rich to shuffle on to you, do this

What is, "What has been my life for 29 years for my underwater net worth of fiat money after having worked like a mule this whole time, Alex?"

>He didn't prove anything.
You couldn't even get back to me with a response so you try to attack the person who gave me credit.

Also majority of people in this thread disagree with you and you can't even see how you are wrong which is sad, not even other leafs agree with you.

Like as you stated here
>Ya broke the world. Your greedy asses always break the world.
How about get a job and learn to live without been dependant on the government to give you free shit, get a fucking job and quit complaining you lazy cunt, if you can't contribute to society then why the fuck should you be able to eat top quality food and live in a nice house? you don't, that's the answer and until you pull your head out of your ass and realise that blaming others for your problems won't get you anywhere then you are going to have a miserable life.

Have a rare pepe, maybe it will earn you some shekels to afford some cheap bread and butter

You're a fucken idiot, Gonzo. youtube.com/watch?v=7NB7Jz27b7E
Back in your cage with ye

If this is true, then how come 40% of America's food goes uneaten to the dune of $165 billion every year?

the bible is a meme too

Capitalist extravagance

>dune
ffs tune

The store is irrelevant. The state of want in the populace is the only thing that matters. Amazon.com operates without a single display shelf or store open to the public. How could her model explain amazon which satisfies consumer needs and carries goods of every conceivable value?

You can stop trying any day now
>yay you are an asset to ausfailia
>Bible is merely a meme

Internet was darpanet. Military is government. Not that this was done for good of humanity but I still feel Augustus is better than Wal Mart

> To get an one-bedroom apartment you have to work about 20 years.
Sounds like capitalism today desu.

>extravagance
the premise is they can't afford the food in the stores, yet they are throwing almost half of the food they buy away - Americans are nothing if not well fed.

oh so if China sold out to big jew sooner they wouldve been fine??? You are a useful idiot.

You're making some good pointa but you need to organize your thought. Many people can't understand what you're trying to say. Sorry if anyone has bullied you here.

We buy it and throw it in the garbage. Much like with our play dough moni

what is a meme?

Sorry yes im eccentric and easily offended

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