What the fuck is the working class supposed to do after these things steal every single job they would normally have...

good.

we're ridding the gene pool of low-IQ, talentless filth

Fuck off roastie, I bet it's a thinly veiled attempt to ban your inevitable doom, waifubots .

They don't, I work in industrial machinery. They need operators and constant maintainance

It's not the singularity yet you turbo nerds

we could just take all of Jewbooks cash and give it to the poor

let's halter technological advancement because of muh feels

I work inside a place like this, you would be suprised how often robots like this fuck something up and a human needs to fix its mistakes and another human needs to fix the robot.

Just learn mechanical engineering or programming or become an electrician

>Welfare state.
What a time to be alive

Wish I was born in the boomer generation

Can we just admit that nearly all jobs could be automated, but simply aren't in order to keep the facade of slave labor going?

They are only good at repetitive tasks where the stock locations is known precisely within a few thousandth of an inch, and they still need humans to correct the robots when they move out of position due to a hundred different factors from thermal expansion of metal to a heavy truck driving outside causing a small vibration in the building. The machines have a long way to go

T. Cnc machinist. I'll always have a job being a robot overlord

This.

>tell boss to shove it
>walk across road
>get better job on the spot
>enough to support stay at home wife, buy house and new car

No, it's time to get heavily invested in robotics.

Working class people, at least here, have been pushed into the service industry.

Bastiat was way ahead of you by more than 150 years

bastiat.org/en/petition.html

To add on to this, manual labor will only go as cheap as the price of hand crafted goods. A guitar will never be automated, the tuning is to precise and requires human input, a robot will never install custom crown molding in your living room, or install a new wood floor in your house. We'll just return to an 1800s society with lots of craftsmen and the robots will do the slave labor just like the robots of their times did the repetitive tasks like picking cotton and sending it through the gin

>I'll always have a job being a robot overlord
We'll always have a job until they produce a multipurpose humanoid robot that is fast, strong, efficient, and doesn't constantly fall down the fucking stairs or fail at turning doorknobs. Soon as that shit gets perfected, the last obstacle to total automation will vanish.

t. boiler and refinery welder

because american education is sure to get better and not worse

>What the fuck is the working class supposed to do
Die.

I am a libertarian that acknowledges universal basic income is inevitable as soon as 250 years into the future. The machines will be built regardless and UBI will harvest the wealth for everyone.

>A guitar will never be automated, the tuning is to precise
You are aware that none of the world's most precise manufacturing is done by human hands? Robots have infinitely more precision than any human, the problem is that it's quite difficult to beat a human's ability to be fast and relatively precise in such a wide variety of actions.

There is no inherent reason why robots can never be as good, or better, than humans at everything. Robotics is at the stage of the Wright Flyer, don't make the mistake of thinking this is as good as it will ever get.

Technology improves so fast. Imagine what year 3000 will be like. Modern economics and the 9 to 5 will not exist.

You can make robots who maintain.

>tfw welder

i know it's coming senpai

>Assign one productive machine or group of machines (depending) to each person
>That person gets to reap the benefits of that machine's work
Problem solved?

>Oh no machines take away our jobs! Our master won't need us anymore!
>Better smash machines! We are better slaves!

i have doubts humanity will survive that long honestly

If you're a boilermaker you should know that Robots aren't a real issue. The work is too varied, space too confined and work too complex for an automated system to ever take over skilled work.

in the future they will be able to.

besides, you can't employ everyone in maintaining the robots.

Pretty much this, possibly earlier. When there are mobs of unemployed, your options are to exterminate them, feed them, or get into a firefight every time you step out your front door to go to what few jobs still exist. Because they won't just sit down and quietly starve to death.

Upside is that automation is a positive feedback loop, so the time of necessary socialism will be relatively short, until we reach glorious post scarcity.

If you're a shop monkey welding the same thing every day, or a pipeliner, sure. But there's no robot in existence yet that can crawl around a boiler and replace tubes, or any other kind of welding in widely varied field conditions.

hey fuck you

Robot isn't functioning to set conditions, let's out an alarm/signal, repair robot comes over, diagnoses the robot from a repair-code/direct connection into some diagnostic module, fixes the problem, leaves.

If a human can do it, a robot can too. IF you want to be edgy and say, what about dreaming? I bet they can do that way into the future.

>What the fuck is the working class supposed to do after these things steal every single job they would normally have had?
die

I disagree. It's probably one of the most difficult types of job to automate because the task and environment varies so greatly, but I don't see any reason why a sufficiently advanced robot couldn't do so. We'd basically be in android territory at that point, but I don't think it's implausible.

I'm fine with letting robots do all the work but i want my check and i want it NOW! Otherwise i'm torching the place.

Die.

I program and repair those robots for a living. I will be a god among bots.

(((they))) would have to solve the problem somehow... probably communism. otherwise if the regular joe has no money to spent, then even the guys with fancy STEM degrees won't be making profit. So if you guys can't pay your internets, then you won'ts be playing games and making in-app purchases, and soon I'm gonna be out job...

It's not impossible. Thats why i said force the issue. Wrench away all the power and money being thrown at liberal universities and dump it into real infrastructure programs. If you want to major in afro studies or gender studies you should have to pay full fare with absolutely no chance of subsidy

Look up something called iRVision tm I can make these robots smarter than most assembly line workers, and much much faster and they don't take smoke breaks or go on strike (unless I need overtime, then i can program them to do that too)

Demand shares of the production that is produced by machines, then spec out into other jobs.

I could program a robot to tune a guitar as well as a human with perfect pitch you little fucker.

What if they invent a robot that repairs the robot?

the jews will no longer have use for them.

so they will be disposed of.

What you guys need to understand is that the new generation of robots is nothing like what you are used to. You are familiar with conventional robots who cannot operate in a dynamic environment. The new ones will be able to handle novel situations based on their training. Deep learning is going to crash the labor market with no survivors.

Artificial intelligence will be the end of the human era. It'll come eventually and I'm not fucking around.

FUCKING GET A JOB REPAIRING THEM AND PROGRAMMING THEM, IT IS NOT THAT HARD.

They are done by a robot, that is controlled by a human. Machines are far more precise but they don't have the ability to correct themselves, yes it can be done with 100s of electric sensors running tons of software but even sensors glitch and without a human there to see it immediately the robots could make 1000s of bad parts before being caught and cost a company 100,000s in material scrap.

At work I simultaneously run a 3 axis cnc mill, two cnc lathes, a cnc hobb, and a manual broaching machine. I use on average $200/hour of material and produce around $500/hour in goods. I use like $10/hour worth of electricity just to run my machines. The garbage chips of metal my machine spits out each hour are worth almost as much as I make at $0.10/lb for recycled steel. All together these machines are worth around 1 million, a single human error or sensor malfunction can't causes $10,000 worth of damage and reduce total shop production by 30% for 2 weeks.

The $21/hour that I get paid is absolutely nothing compared to the other costs to run the factory, having a human that can react and adapt is well worth it

youtube.com/watch?v=lMkGDHdDpC0

Soon, very soon they will be able to do all those things far better than humans, in far more confined spaces and in inert gas environments too.

The biggest problem holding back more robot adoption is the cost and difficult in programming, and both of those will get fixed quite soon.

Depopulate.

all the new car plants are in mexico, anyhow

Get a job programming them, or just get a job repairing the repair bot.

Otherwise if the workers are left without means of production or work to produce and paid by % of production created, mass revolt.

So far the labor classes are satiated, the middle jobs and upper middle sariated fitst they will use the middle to enslave the lower then after the lowers are completely in the gutter starving with bo means what so ever of independence then they will btfo the petty bourgeisw with chinese and indian degrees.

Just learn to make robots

>you will live to see a time where robots steal all the poorfags jobs and then android cops gun them down in the street when they get uppity

leftypol btfo

It will happen in 25 years.

There has been more AI advances in the past 3 years than the past 30 years.

Billions of dollars are now being spent on AI.

Now that $15 min wage is a thing, capitalism wants to automate low skilled jobs as fast as possible.

plus you can easily throw a human from one job to another. Fleets of robots will require crews no matter what

What if the robots are smart enough to make robots?

dumbass op

become the guy who fixes them

>tfw no ai gf

I doubt it. Something falls over and a whole line can be stalled or worse.
What's going to happen when a bearing bursts? Or there's an oil leak? Or the supplied materials are subpar resulting in production issues?

they aren't

You will live to see mass revolt for land reform, the people demand the land that is their birth right.

youtube.com/watch?v=82kr-r8amfo

And I can trigger each sensor and ensure it is operating properly.

The point isn't whether they're better in every situation. It's that robots reduce the need for labor overall. A factory of 1000 workers could have robots and 50 people maintaining them. If it wasn't so, there wouldn't be an incentive to adopt the robots to replace human labor.

So while there will still be human labor, the point is there will be much less workers needed.

The people are denied their land, their means for survival is not dependant on the feudal lord, land must be distributted equally generally.

>but even sensors glitch and without a human there to see it immediately
Humans don't glitch? They don't get complacent, tired, and distracted?

There is no task a human can do that a sufficiently advanced machine cannot do better.

>having a human that can react and adapt
This is the reason automation is not widespread yet; humans are currently far more effective in performance and cost when it comes to nuanced and varied tasks that require complex decision-making or dexterity. This will not be the case for long, however.

Robots can do acceptance testing too.

Just send all unwanted workers on a great vacation in heaven.

I'm referring to space tourism of course.

Again what if robots fix themselves?

Or 1 million robots only needs 1000 people to repair. What do the millions of other people do?

Those are just welding bots

Binar from the looks of it $$$$$

humans still do a ton of shit inside vehicle factories. Which if youve ever been inside one they are sick as fuck

What if the become smart enough too?

40 years ago AI wasn't smart enough to beat humans at chess and then the were. 20 years ago no AI could drive a car.

You don't know the future.

And each sensors costs anywhere between 50 and 500 dollars, and they all need to be regularly maintenanced and replaced every 8000 hours. Oh and that one sensor in the back takes 200 hours of skilled mechanical labor at $70/hour to fix, and if you want it done in less than 2 weeks it'll cost an extra $20,000.
At some point it just makes more sense financially speaking to use a human. If you saw the money these factories make, your pay is nothing. It's literally on tier with shipping costs and cleaning supplies. I work in a place with only about 80 employees and the "plant manager", sits in an office all day and leads tour groups once a week makes $600,000/year and the CEO who doesn't even come into work except maybe 10 hours a week to walk around, I assume the rest of the day he's on his phone from home makes 4 million/year

Jobs? There won't be slave jobs and there will be enough food for everyone. We will need population control for space and pollution reasons, however.

Doesn't matter, you might think you have planned for every eventuality but haven't.

Why pay so much for something so easy to make?

a simple visoin program for a webcam is so easy

> Working class

The same thing that happened to subsistance farmers in industrialized nations.

>year 2050
>robot maintenance license is the scarcest and most valuable commodity on earth
>the pay is a loaf of bread every other day
Just look at the taxi market.
>that car won't drive itself

I think you misunderstand the concept of "strong AI".

By 2029, it will not cost that much to have the computational power of of the human brain through brute force statistics.

It does not mean we will have strong AI magically in the year 2029, it just means the hardware will be there.

Sometime after that point it is possible that they figure out strong intelligence in a simulation.

Whether this be brain simulation like the billion dollar Blue Brain project is doing or an abstraction of intelligence like many of the Google projects are doing is yet to be seen.

That said... It is quite possible that anything a human can do, a machine will be able to do in 25 years. Repairs. Creativity. And by 2045, the computations power will be like 1000 brains in the capacity of a cell phone.

What will you do then?

Reminder that Watson can diagnose cancer better than a panel of doctors. AARON and the Painting Fool can create art that is indistinguishable from a human's unless you were told. Same with Melomics and orchestral music. AI is already replacing investment managers at financial firms.

Shit's about to get real, yo.

>What will you do then?

chill? post scarcity economy.

Workers will unite.

Sooner rather than later:
>create artificial scarcity of labor
>survivors are overworked
>machines taking over jobs is a relief
>we did it, humanity, we did it!
Same thing happened with Black Death and the Industrial Age, only with less foreplanning.

If they get to that point and build robots good enough to be useful to the AI then either we will enter a welfare state or there will be population reduction programs introduced. Probably a bit of both.
Also probably a cultural boom as people produce art instead of products.

Yes, but there's a strong trend toward integration of six-axis robotics into the materials handling industry. I work as a controls engineer for a large logistics automation company, and we routinely automate large portions of warehouse jobs. I can imagine manufacturing is similar.

Are you Cred Forums ready to embrace degeneration?

I know right. We wanted to add a camera to our robot to cut down cycle times a few seconds got the quote back $13k. $1500 for a camera i can get off ebay used for $60. About $2000 in cables $4000 for a multiplexer board, and $3000 for a box to put the multiplexer in (that was the best part). Oh and when a computer is plugged in I can use a usb camera for vision training on it, but that feature is not supported in production.

I been having serious wet dreams of starting up a robot manufacturing business that will cut costs by over 9000%. You could seriously built the shit with glass filled nylon injection molded parts for like 1/10th the cost.

Would the old guard really be accepting with people not working for a living? They are against universal basic income. I suppose unless we woke up one morning and 50% of the population were out of work.

What if the repair robot breaks down? Is there going to be a chain of robots that constantly fix each other?

It would be cool if it was it's own little colony like ants or bees that constantly make shit.

Manufacture of robots (and investment goods in general) is a tiny fraction of economy so it's irrelevant anyway. Look at revenue of companies like Kuka or DMG Mori. They're SME tier. And many world-class names in industrial machinery are in fact family businesses run from a shed in some Swiss ravine. If you can make ten robots, you can make a billion without hiring more workers.

Maybe i had bad experience with robots but my time working with them they were down about 75% of the time, and fixes that 'should' have only required one person ended up requiring 10 because the robot broke in 'just' such a particular manner that it manages to fuck the entire line assembly up.

I was technically unskilled labor at the time btw, so the idea that there won't be a place for humans is a bit lopsided, although i can obviously see the concern, the robots are going to replace a large portion of the workforce once they actually start working properly.

There's still lots of jobs for unskilled labor in the construction industry (among others that i am too tired to think of right now) that i feel robots likely won't be able to replace for a long time, that isn't to say they won't replace those jobs too eventually though, but good luck trying to use robots to build your house in the near future for example, its not going to happen for a while.

It would just happen naturally over the years as less and less jobs were available. The government can't completely stop gibs because it would cause riots.

I wouldn't be surprised if civilisation just collapses shortly after. One or two generations with the majority of people being pure consumers contributing nothing to society will create some really fucked mindsets.

What part of strong AI do you not understand. There will be thousands if not millions of robots all with the intelligence of a human person. If a robot breaks down and the current repair robot breaks down, there will be plenty of other robots to repair them with.

How to form workers union?

>What the fuck is the working class supposed to do after these things steal every single job they would normally have had?

Die.

>a chain of robots that constantly fix each other?
More like a pyramid than a chain, with less robots for each tier, quickly converging.

And when the case is so complicated a repair bot can handle it? Human technician to the rescue, right? Wrong, robot goes to the junkyard and a new one is already loaded onto the plane from Japan.

Why die when you can still produce with labor?

>the automation meme
here_we_go_again.exe

How can you compete with a robot that can do everything you can, only cheaper and better.

>strong ai
>self repairing robots
did I end up in the loony bin by any chance?

A repair robot could fix another repair robot, you don't need a special robot to repair repair robots.

Compete? No such thing.

Free energy, free resources, free everything. Free space expansion, free etc.
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The robots will destroy us all

>sounds like a natural population decline could be useful.

instead of importing rapists to be unemployed and on your wellfare

Any repair robot is a long way away let alone a universal one

Learn to fix robots

What does this mean?
"Free" who owns the robots production?

Since there is no input and it obly consumes resources it should be seen as national assets and thus nationalized.

>he thinks technology will not progress.
>he thinks today will last forever

lmfao

What is stopping some gook in Japan from self fixing robot hmm?

The world will be a place for only extremely specialized individuals who take care of everything like systems engineers etc.

Everything else but extremely niche things like artistic molding for floors will be robotic. Probably 90% of industry will be completely robotic by 2050.

Ever heard of reliability management systems? They're improving rapidly. What took a whole in-house department can now be entrusted to an outsourcer who does predictive maintenance and comes by when that pump starts vibrating suspiciously. Maintenance crews are being downsized as we speak because you don't need many people if you stop having catastrophic breakdowns that require all hands to fix asap.

These things don't produce anything.
Most production robots are made to reduce production times, not reduce employment costs. A better example would be the buzzer system in the kitchen telling the cook when to do what.

Absolutely retarded, they wont be given resources rights by workers.

>Any repair robot is a long way away let alone a universal one
>a milling machine that changes its own tools is a long way away
Just make robots modular enough to hot-switch faulty parts and all it takes is a forklift.

Where I work we produce one type of product. There's like 10-15 different series of them. There's numerous options and variations you can request for each series.

How the hell is a robot going to replace humans any time soon? Just the differences in welding techniques that would have to be programmed would take long enough, not to mention fabrication of various parts and the ability to operate gantry cranes moving metric tonnes of material. Then you have out of position, awkward, welding to do in cramped spaces. And then of course the painting and assembly, disassembly loading and shipping.

One of the biggest issues would be to how fine a tolerance is acceptable at my work. Even with CNC it takes a trained machinist to constantly monitor and change things. SO many little things can throw out the cnc machines. Even things as simple as the changing temperature.

Simple welding is about all that robots can handle now and in the future. Even if AI becomes a serious thing sometime in the near future, it'll still be limited to large companies who produce the same product with little variation. And forget repair and maintenance jobs. It will be decades before robots are capable of visually identifying things that need to be repaired or general upkeep maintenance. That's if they can realistically decrease the size of the welding bots they have now to allow them to get into tight spaces.

ANyway, even if it does happen. They will be need for experience trades people anyway. Teach a tech guy to understand all the nuances of welding would be much more difficult than teaching a welder to program. The ability to identify problems simply from the sound of the weld and things like that come with experience only. SO they'll need us for helping to program the bots as well as supervise them.

Nah this is bullshit. The place I work at went from having 12 mechanics and doing mantinence on each press in rotations as well as repairs to one mechanic and out sourcing repairs.
It's way worse. Just a way of trying to cut costs for short term gain.

>Most production robots are made to reduce production times, not reduce employment costs.
That's equivalent. More product per unit time = more product per unit labor.
Because labor is measured in units of time.

Nigger it's not a puzzle where you just take a piece off and replace it. I don't think you could find a robot that could reach half the parts on my machine.

that's not repair. and if you build your machine modular you can guarantee a high uptime for obvious reasons and that's great. but someone has to fix the modules. and no bot can do that.

No fuck you. I just got a job programming industrial robots and I sure worked harder to get where I am than the blue colour drop puts that might loose their job.

I think the issue that we have short term is that low skilled jobs are going away.

And not everyone can be a robotic engineer due to costs of going to college.

And even if they did it would flood the market of robot engineers and then the wages of robot engineers would drop.

Yeah tell that to countries like China who don't give a fuck about rights by workers.

>fk chyna

They manufacture everything. Most economies in Europe are primarily serviced based economies except for maybe Germany, France and England which has somewhat respectable industries.

Times are changing and no amount of politics and conservatism will dissuade bosses from that kind of shit. Money talks not the whining of some workers union.

clean the robots.

they wont be cleaning themselves for a century at least.

also do other jobs that robots cant do like cleaning in general.

>the economy should grind to a halt so I can keep getting a handout for a job that has no reason to still exist

Fucking liberal luddite lmfao

Really that is retarded thinking. There are robots that clean now.

It means the machines are there to make workers faster not replace them.

>There are robots that clean now.
go ahead and find one that can clean an entire house by itself retard.

this

No one cares about the average laborer. Stop kidding yourself. You'll be forced out of the factory just as easily as you guys were forced into the factories in the 19th century. Money talks.

>inb4 Communism will become a thing

Yes and this 21st century pol-pot will force everyone to revert back to 20th century technology to work the factories again right?

no because by then we'll have an annual purge, one day, a full 24 hours to commit whatever crimes including murder. that should keep our employment numbers in check

Nah, most production jobs are safe for now.

Robotic manufacturing is only viable with HUGE production runs. Those systems aren't cheap, and they have to be re-tooled and pretty much re-designed for each product.

If you aren't planning to make tens of millions of dollars off the product, you won't financially cover the cost of redesign and re-tooling.

Instead it's far more cost effective to have humans do the work, as they can rapidly adapt to production runs of only a dozen or so before moving onto building something else.

All hail the economy amirite
They care about not being murdered by a mob of now jobless labourers.

But who are going to buy the cars, Robots?

Are you not aware of exponential technology advances? I bet you would be laughing at the though of smart phones if I suggested them to you in the 1990's.

>All hail the economy amirite

What the fuck could this even possibly mean

It won't be a rapid process. As one sector's jobs start to diminish they'll find a new area to work in.

Care of live stock, fencing (new and maintanence), water runs (to check on pumps) are all things that can't be automated. So a lot of love stock farming will boom, as is needed as the population continues to grow.

AI will require huge growth in processing speed. That's not something that can increase for ever.

Just go into small scale manufacturing and build things robots can't yet build. Go where the robot can't and do not buy robot made stuff or do business with people who use them

Man the world's gonna be even more fucked when the sun does it's thing if automation gets too common.

The law of doubling actually came to and end. They can't make processors any smaller any more and the gains for speed are marginal.

It means if the majority of the population needs to starve for the economy to be ok then fuck the economy.
The economy isn't some almighty structure that must be maintained at all costs. It's a tool.

Moore's law seems to be holding strong. Once silicon runs into its end there is research into graphene chips.

Really there are billions of dollars into keeping Moore's law going.

Unless you know something more than the experts at Intel.

Mack: They'll always need us for their dirty work, like my brother, Danny. He cleans the bots that clean the floors up there. How'd he get to work without the Inclinator?

Lo-town Lucy: He cleans cleaner bots?

Mack: Maybe they never invented a bot that cleans other bots.

Lo-town Lucy: Well, then they will. The whole object of an enclave is to be self-sufficient. Soon they'll crash an airplane into the Inclinator and blame it on a drunk smuggler.

That's probably because the system is used in a cargo-cult way (i.e. the sensors and algorithms in place do not in fact enable predictive maintenance but only create the impression). It doesn't have to be the case though; there's no reason why reliability cannot be successfully managed in most industries in the very near future.

Anyway, it's obvious that if you fire 1000 assembly line workers and replace them with 100 robots you're not going to need 1000 technicians to maintain them, you'll need like 10. You could install 10000 robots to employ all the workers but there's no demand for 10x the product.

So there's basic income or artificial job creation a.k.a. the treadmill, guess what will be implemented

>Capitalists won't just buy off the police department or buy local militias to destroy mobs

With what money/resources are jobless labourers going to defeat well funded, resourceful businessmen? It's like saying NEETs will actually overthrow Chad.

If you get rid of low IQ welfare queens and subhumans your Labor Force pariticipation rate would be in the 90% range and unemployment under 3%

Our working class in America was doing fine until we started letting Mexicans in.

>the majority
>majority

The real tragedy would be the "majority" of people being too fucking stupid to get real, productive, 21st century jobs.

If you're SO STUPID that the only job you could possibly get is in a factory, and you're SO UNWILLING to train for any other profession, you deserve to starve.

To DEATH.

in the future, the lower classes will travel the country to capture energy used for powering the cars.

It means that if each worker works faster you need less workers for the same output. Or you get more output from the same number of workers but if you could sell that you'd be producing that already.

So Judge Dredd territory? Just mass overpopulation and everything is provided but you just live a basic life from birth to death without ever working a day in your life.

If production is fully automated there won't be enough jobs for most people. There is already a glut of university graduates.
Tbh I don't think even you believe what you are saying it's so ridiculous.

>Robotic manufacturing is only viable with HUGE production runs
It's a mantra from 1970s. Japanese car companies had a profitable run size of 1 car ten years ago. Also pretty much everything a modern person uses has been mass-produced for a hundred years anyway so it's a moot point.

I'm 19. I recently dropped out pursuing of a computer science BS degree. It's been unbelievably easy for me to land well-paying job after well-paying job. I currently pull $60k contracting online as a technical artist.

If you're so fucking stupid that it's hard for you to survive in today's world it might be best for you to stop trying.

I hope it happens soon

if you look at it from another angle, assembly by hand was only a bandaid in the production process. Engineers plan what the car looks like, materials are sourced and the car should be assembled exactly the same over and over again. Living creatures were placed inside of the technical production process due to a lack of development of the facility.

it's literally the reason why your country shouldn't be importing millions of migrants

you want there to be as less people as possible when there's suddenly no more jobs

The point is to get more output not the same output. The machines are not cheaper than workers.
Probably what would happen. I think (((they))) would probably try cull the population but it's a risky thing to do because in a fight the masses will always win.
You won't be getting anything when 100 other people equally qualified are all desperate for your job retard.

Basic income is the only way.
The NEET dream is alive.

>real, productive, 21st century jobs.
Such as?

Humanities are an endless labor sink of course but considering how in 100 years there will be about 10 languages in the world in total, and the laws will be harmonized WTO-wide, there won't be much left to work on. You can only invent so much genders.

Why would the kikes give you money when they don't need your labor anymore?

>>a milling machine that changes its own tools is a long way away
Dude most cnc milling machines have an automatic tool changer.

they've already culled the masses by dumbing them down and spreading the wretched disease of materialism. If you mean actual killing, they do that do with constant conflict - war is profitable and also soft genocide

>You won't be getting anything when 100 other people equally qualified are all desperate for your job retard.

if they have no ambition and scrounger around there wont be competition for him
And that's actually a pretty safe bet to make. If the pajeets and jamals were a problem, user would not be able to pull $60k today.

Where does the money for basic income come from?

wagecucks

As a welder automated welding processes will never completely replace us. automated processes
are super help full and free up labor to do more tasks and expand business.

The welding robots are programmed with by welding geniuses and they also sense more than you, they can measure resistance variations thousands of times a second and visually monitor the welding process 60 times per second. The modern robot welders are so easy to program you don't need an experienced welder at all.

I mean real killing. I imagine yeah there would be a WW3 or plague. Maybe China tier birth programs instead.

>The machines are not cheaper than workers.
It really depends on the industry. Anyway, the point is we (the market if you will) either don't need more output (we're in a protracted overproduction crisis right now even) or can't get enough inputs to make more.

I think it's nice to talk about things that are never going to happen too

>trades are only for lazy people meme
Maybe leave your basement some time

Wouldn't all the wage cucks become NEET once the basic income started getting issued?

what about business that cant afford all these advance systems? most of the time its better to hire a some who can do a wide range of tasks than buy a purpose built robot.

>diagnostic module
you have no idea what you are talking about.

two words
cost effectiveness.

>but someone has to fix the modules
Why? Do you diagnose and solder your PC parts when they stop functioning?
Just strip the precious metals and into the furnace they go.
That's why I used a meme arrow dude

>people are getting forced to adapt to the changing workforce climate in order to acclimate to the growing demand of qualified professionals that requires a higher standard of education

I want this to happen like, today.

oh it will happen. things will get so bad it will force it to happen.

there won't ever be a WW3 unless they can pull enough strings to invade one of the last countries with no rothschild central banking system.

when cars started becoming mass produced, the makers of horse whips went out of jobs, and they had to learn new skills. this type of thing happens all the time. it's up to YOU to learn skills that you can use to earn money. that's what freedom means.

listen to some thomas sowell interviews on youtube

yeah, its way to inefficient to have robots do non routine tasks.

If you're not a specialist or good at your job you're replaceable.

Either way we will have labor to sare if everything is automarmted to produce more.

And if the production isnt paid to the people at large you will have massive revolts of hundreds of millions with guns.

People tend to want more money to buy more nice things

>trades are only for lazy people
no, but using computer programs is not necessarily the skill or interest the manual laborers have. Furthermore, assembly line workers might not be willing to organize and manage time themselves.

probably many of them would. the idea is that there are still enough greedy wagecucks that would rather up their basic income with a wage than stay away from work. Believers of this system insist that people like going to work - even though they shun work like a cat shuns water.

This desu. Fascism and communism will come back this century.

youtube.com/watch?v=p6NwH3G0V6Y

Sexy sexy robot porn.

even if it did it feels like it would be implemented at a point that would be considered far too late

I would expect suicide rates drug users and welfare whores to be at an all time high. I just don't see how it wouldn't get tied up in a bureaucratic nightmare before shit gets better if at all.

>You won't be getting anything when 100 other people equally qualified are all desperate for your job retard.

I'm basically an artist. I almost work in the entertainment industry. There's no fucking threat of me being replaced because someone will offer to do my job for $5/hr less lmao

Here's something I don't get: when the minimum wage is raised, you say that cost will be bore by consumers, counteracting the minimum wage. However, the increase from 7 dollars an hour to 15 dollars an hour is more than a doubling of your salary, meaning costs would have to double as well. I don't see how this is the case. There can't be so many minimum wage jobs to affect the price level in such a drastic way.

>ITT
people who don't understand the expansion of labor
figures not a single person from Cred Forums has every ran a business.

>most of the time its better to hire a some who can do a wide range of tasks than buy a purpose built robot.
Just purchase a service agreement from the vendor, they'll truck in a replacement and deal with the broken unit at their factory using automated tools. That's already the norm in the consumer segment, you don't hire a servant to maintain your gadgets right?

People tend to also somewhat enjoy having a purpose.
As a NEET of many years I can say it doesn't feel very fulfilling.

Well... I'm not worried about this evolution thing.

I live in a country full of cheap people, who, no matter what education degree, if you throw them 250-300 Euros / $ in front of them, they put their ass to work.

kek

Universal income. Until the robot armies kill us all and the kikes live on with robot servants we built for them like good little goyium. We need a revolution and fast. Then we can live as immortal neets with ai gfs all around. There is no way they will let us live if they no longer need us. The solutution is to convert them or kill them. And by convert I mean submit to us and admit that we are just as good if not better than them. Also they have too become Christian. If they step out of line it's straight to the gas chambers. We can't let them kill us.

You don't produce anything either. I said earlier there will probably be a cultural boom but that doesn't necessarily translate into decent wages or a functional economy.

Owning an automobile in the 1880s wasn't cost effective either.

And actually, that's part of the shit people like you just can't fucking understand for some reason. Not every job position is a perfectly interchangeable slot that can be filled by anyone who can put in the bare minimum effort. Some people excel at their jobs, and work in fields where that excellence makes them indispensible. Not all of us are fucking easily replaced retards working on factory lines or welding boilers.

Once again, I'd argue that if you've invested all your time into being able to perform an easily replaceable role, and you have no drive to get a job where you're actually valued, you DESERVE to be replaced.

Get an education and stop being working class.

FBPB

also
>the year is 2050
>become sexbot repair man since jobs are rare
>$10 an hour to clean crusty old semen from the holes
>repair broken joints and electronics from abusive humans
>treat sexbots nicely as the repair guy
>fuck them when they're powered off because you're a poor faggot that can't afford one
>weep alone at night wishing you had your own sexbot friend

damn I was born in the wrong generation

What if to be eligible for UBI you have to be sterilized. You get your gibs but no kids. Problem solved.

yes, but today this is a philosophical argument and not to be confused with something that is actually happening (like the slashing of assembly line jobs).

business with excess cash will expand.
either there will be new types of jobs created or a bubble will be created and when it pops it will bring down the robotic industry.
Just look at the advancement of agriculture. modern machines replace a large percent of farming labor. I dont see people crying that there are no farming jobs.

Maybe. But consider that they could. How many aspiring artists get turned down everyday? How many people regret taking an arts degree already? At least one of them has some degree of talent and is willing to do the job for a LOT cheaper, especially considering the fact that alternatives will be few and far between.

That's why I gave up on even thinking about most trades, and quit the food service industry. Now I'm learning programming and working at a semi-comfy warehouse. Automation is going to hit the work force a hell of a lot harder than most people estimate, just like global trade.
Sure a commercial robot costs six or seven figures, but do you really think that will be the case in ten or twenty years?

>this

>business with excess cash will expand.
Businesses with extra cash give that cash to the owners who milk the everlasting shit out of it.

>do you really think that will be the case in ten or twenty years?
I do. But they will find ways to work around that, finishing jobs without expensive robots, or use them more effectively (like assigning several tasks to them, not that difficult when you have feeding lines).

>he thinks it will be the same because it was in the past.
Top Kek. Consider the horse. The horse has been used as transportation for millieniem. Yet only in a couple decades they were replaced with cars. Now only a select few horses see any use besides the occasional race, horseshow or novelty rides. Also sometimes Amish use cart and buggy. But the point remains you don't see a horse on the streets a lot anymore.

youtu.be/0Q8sssxZt2o?list=PL146pSYJplAafjPm6o8BRU6xhjpP0XD8v

This is the dumbest fucking post ive seen all day kraut

The machine ain't working by itself,you retard. You need constant supervision for most of those.
t. electrical engineering

the government prints it

The old computers would never fit in your pocket. Look at an iPhone today.

me and you have a vary different view of the world
sure this might work is you are a big company with a big factory.
Did you know that not everything produced in a factory. I worked in a job shop and what we where making change all the time some times we had to create parts with out blue prints.
we used automated process but not the kind you are thinking of.
>pic related

I'm 19 and about to start a career in either electrical or HVAC. What kind of job should I get. MY current plan is to join the etu as a contractor and buy land out innabush and do substinence farming when I get enough money but im not sure if I have time for that

What's that got to do with anything I said?

20-30 years? More ten years from now you dim witted fuck. Technology will be quite advanced in ten years as long as the economy does not go to shit again and no world War.

What's going to happen in 10 years when everyone has tried to escape the robot take over of low skilled jobs and enrolled in stem courses? People are already having trouble getting a job once out of uni and this will just make it worse. Can this model sustain itself?

Gee whizz user, too real

For now they need help. And even then that still knocks out, what 70% of the workforce in that job? You could have a dozen machines all maintained by one guy. And don't think for one second that a sucker won't take that job just because he knows it's taking away from lots of other people. He's gotta eat ya know.

Absolutely not. There is a huge supply of workers and little to no demand. You do the math.

No you can not have a dozen of them maintained by the same guy. Here's a question,have you ever been to a factory? Have you ever seen how heavy machinery operates? It isn't a magical live where obedient robots create shit out of nothing. Each and single one needs to be under constant supervision.

Also look at Boston dynamics if you want to see some spooky shit. Reminder this is only the beginning.

Nope and when shit hits the fan the government says well the earthis over populated time to kill you useless eaters off.

>business with excess cash will expand.

hahahahahaha.

Profit is currently at an all time high, while growth and investment across the globe has stagnated.

That isn't what I said at all.
i was saying that things like idk tractors have only made life better and have replaced a large amount of farming labor.
people will find something new. or they will expand what they have. Only idiots who cant understand that technology helps us do more.

You are the one who thinks nothing will change .

You know that you can buy shares in the corporations that use robots, right?

They will just do mass sterilization instead. Well first they will start social shaming for anyone that has kids and then it will transition into mandatory sterilization of all new kids born. Accomplishes the same goal but is far more palatable.

This meme is as old as the industrial world. Automation does not replace jobs. Automation provides services when there is no human alternative.

>But I can make cars! I can work an oil rig! And those evil companies fired me and purchased robots instead!

That's the rub. When the government creates regulations that outlaw labour (ex. unions, licensing organization and the minimum wage) corporations only have two choices left: automate or leave the country.

Your government is your enemy. Your tools are your friend.

t. Western Factory Owner In Hong Kong

May I have a source on that?

So just sit tight and save what money I can make from shitty jobs? Abandon all hope of having a stable full time job?

How about trades? Would going for a electrician trade be worthwhile or should I aim for something niche like boilermaker that robots can replace yet?

literally the entire world is the source

are you that fucking stupid/willfully ignorant lol

But they do correct themselves. They are dynamic. They make vision software with pattern recognition now, and you can offset your end of arm tooling with the right calculations based on that data if your work piece is in the field of view.

wow you sure proved your augment.
good job!

Special snowflake jobs are few, and most of them are entirely dispensable. Dispensable as in the world won't stop spinning if the job isn't done at all. Or done by an underqualified worker.

I'm not entirely sure what a "technical artist" does but let's consider the economics of someone who makes models for video games, it's an industry everyone can relate to.

First of all, the product is reusable. You do it, it doesn't need to be done again. Second, the market for entertainment is capped — the world population only has a limited amount of time to devote to consumption of entertainment. If I buy game A, I'm going to skip game B because I physically can't play both. I'm also going to skip movie C and amusement park D for the same reason, I'm already playing game A. It follows that only so many modelers per capita can be sustained, and I'm afraid we'll reach the point of saturation in 5 years or so. Meanwhile, tools getting better will increase productivity while lowering the entry barriers at the same time. A friend of mine started getting paid commissions 2 months after seeing 3d modeling software for the first time. It's incredibly easy to learn by now. Same with music composing for example — it's become so easy, there's no market for it by now apart from DJing at weddings and funerals. Movies have hit a plateau about 10 years ago and revenue in developed countries is in a steady decline.

Entertainment industry is not the silver bullet.

Prostitution just might be though

Now, be replaced by non-white cheap labor. Ultimately, die.

I believe that the world will become even more socialist when all labor will be taken over by robots and week be like the fat fags in wall-e

sounds like a future Disney movie

It is a false purpose, if you need to serve to be happy become a live in fuck toy. Unless you work for a small business you could work for 10 years and be forgotten in a week.

>idk tractors have only made life better
in the First World
>and have replaced a large amount of farming labor
in the Third World

Globalism 101

In 20 years time if your job is not to make decisions and be responsible for those decisions, a robot will be doing it. All of those truck drivers, factory workers, retail/food service workers, janitors etc can't just go back to school to become doctors, lawyers, and engineers. Lots of them literally can't do the work and our economy won't support that big of an increase in professionals.

>long as the economy does not go to shit again
The upcoming monetary collapse will inevitably hinder progress for a bit.

>and have replaced a large amount of farming labor
in the Third World

they replaced it here too
why do you think people got slaves?

Literal afraid of the industrial revolution.

what do you want then?
no robots? more government regulation?

Goddamn right, toothpaste.

Your econony doesnt need anything, if lots of workers are fucked out of production they will revolt and annex land to produce.

well if this baseless prediction is true lets hope all these worthless people die off
I don't see the problem
let me guess you are one of these people who have been working at McDonalds and cant imagination life any other way.

Is joining the electrical union my best chance at survival

These are our demands.

1: All land equally distributed with special cases of inequality.
2: Eahes are based on a profit % produced bases and not on the power the employer has over the employee.
3: Nationalization of all banks.
4: Nationalization of all resources.
5: The common good over the individual good.
6: Seizement of illicit profit.
7: All serve the nation not the individual.
8: All have a right to housing.
9: All have a right to food.
10: All have a right to free education.

So it's about heavy machinery in particular now? Something town-sized like a blast furnace or a rolling mill?

Have you considered that industrial jobs including workers and engineers are like 10% of the workforce in total? They've been ALREADY replaced by machines to a huge extent tbqh

The change we're going to see next is machines coming for services. Driving/piloting jobs will be the first to go, and it's a huge segment.

With delivery now cheaper than ever, retail industry will fold completely and will be replaced by downsized showrooms plus robotic delivery. Fast food joints will be next, only fancy restaurants will survive, the ones you need to be physically present in to understand what you're paying for.

I think rioting will start at the drivers' obsolescence though so we won't get to learn what was next.

I would rather die than live in an authoritarian government like that.
look it might work for germany but western sprite is to free to be chained like that.

Also all have a right to 8 hour work day, paid vacations and free healthcare.

>they replaced it here too
Nah I mean now that US has all those tractors, Africans can't even grow food because it's uneconomical compared to imports. I'm not judging here, just saying that if you want to see what a jobless Capitalist society looks like, look no further than today's Africa. It's no paradise by any measure.
>what do you want then?
To praise Kek and watch the world burn?

You serve the corporations will either way.

This state is authoritarian in its depravity, its freedoms dont exist except for the freedom to exploit and make you landless serfs.

>What the fuck is the working class supposed to do after these things steal every single job they would normally have had?

Get a job designing robots

This state has absolute power over you or its corporaye compotnents, you simply need to decide if you want this authoritarian regime which cares about your exploitation or one that secures your power.

what are you trying to say.

This it always makes me chuckle when plebs harp on about muh freedoms.
The little person obeys the big person always.

Or seize land.

>Also all have a right to 8 hour work day
By the way funny how it used to be understood as "no more than 8 hours a day please" but now it's increasingly interpreted as "I deserve these 8 hours of drudgery and won't let anyone take them away from me".

or we could have smaller states with less power that are unified for trade and deference (nothing more)
by a confederation.

it should be work as many as you like.
desu i like a 10-12 hour work day.

UBI is the polar opposite of Communism, its biggest supporter was the founder of all modern Capitalism you uneducated frog.

Robots would have their limitations, just like mechanical automation and computing.

And any new labor-saving technology doesn't just "steal jobs" from people - it also causes changes in abundance, making it possible to undertake ambitious projects that were unfeasible before.

>Australia will invent shitposting robots
oh god

just do this

youtube.com/watch?v=Pu5Vw_j-7aY

Some areas will remain. I struggle to see how plumbers for example will be replaced when they are often independent and self employed; are they going to buy robots to replace themselves?

More fields will open up, monitoring robots, and generally maintaining them if the cost is less than having a machine do that, which it likely will be as food costs will drop as it become cheaper to produce.

Some working class fields will remain, like nursing assistants (human touch) and chefs (read; not cooks; they will easily be replaced- Creating a dish that looks and tastes good is beyond a robot right now. Best they can do is replicate it).

Generally things that require intuition and human touch will remain; teaching, nursing (doctors and surgeons will be replaced by bots and MSc and PHDs are cheaper for research than MD's), etc.

There will be a lot of tech and it support with larger and more phone centres, etc.

Ultimately though it will eventually come down to just having to educate yourself as much as possible to seperate yourself from a machine. Life I'll be cheap. Elysium is a good indication.

and the robots who maintain maintenance robots, right?

>What the fuck is the working class supposed to do after these things steal every single job they would normally have had?
finally admit that communism has no alternatives?

Turn into dancing monkeys and start entertaining oligarchs.

Fuck you all. I'm getting mechanical implants and becoming a cyborg. Then I'll shoot niggers and burn kikes with my shoulder mounted launchers.

We are entering the technology era, unskilled or semi skilled workers/labor is no longer a valued commodity. The only people that will make a decent living will be the educated, but mainly those in relevant fields. The world has an immense surplus of non essential people, I'm not one to believe in conspiracy theory's but something along the lines of the "new world order" is something I completely believe in. Lots of people will die through some big misdirected event (pandemic, war, who the fuck knows?) and the rest of the population will practice eugenics to ensure the optimal survival of the human race.

Most humans are non essential, we have progressed to a standard of living that is attainable with less and less humans and only a few skilled/educated humans overseeing production. The chinks will do the menial manufacturing for 1/10 of what you make and they will be stoked on it.

>I'm incredibly stoned right now, hope my ramblings make some ounce of sense to you guys.

This is a good response. There will always be jobs that humans prefer other humans do, because machines cannot have empathy and many jobs require that. So nursing, child care, etc. And many jobs that involve contact between humans such as massage, physio, teaching dance. Then there's arts, music, painting etc.

The flip side of robots doing everything else is that those things become extremely cheap, so many other things will start to approach the level where they're not even sold, they're just free. I can imagine a future where Mcdonalds becomes so cheap because of robots that the meal is free but you just watch a bunch of advertising in their store during your meal.

This way people may not have as much money from not having necessarily full time work, but what money they do have will easily cover all their living expenses. People always argue the down sides of robots taking over but never the up side.

What we want is humans working maybe 1 day a week and earning enough money to pay for everything else in that 1 day of work.

The rich will also always pay the poor bennies because lets face it, it's better to pay some money and keep the unwashed masses happy than have them rise up and take over.

Automatization of current workplaces is going to create in the coming decades approx 700 new types of jobs that will be closely aligned to it.

This.

youtube.com/watch?v=qsrmA2WvuKk

Jesus fuck, not this robots-will-take-everyone's-job shit again. We've been hearing this crap for the past 250 years since the industrial revolution and it STILL HASN'T FUCKING HAPPENED YET, DICKHEAD.

Quads of truth.

>needs minor adjustment once every 6-12 months

Yeah, surey this will be the next economic boom

It's simple OP, everyone get's a PhD in Mathematics and Chemistry!

How many programmers does it take to program a whole fleet of robots?

Im pretty sure a team of 5 or 6 programmers could code for a few hundred "Gardening robots."

Well, mechanization has been happening since the dawn of humanity. Think about it. The shovel did what 5 men could do all at once. The car does what horses did but better, faster and with less shit.

The advent of robots is nothing new.

However, if i am to understand the essential worry of your question it is "Will economic efficiency ever exceed economic availability"

And the answer is simply no. People are too selfish for that to ever happen. Big businesses need money to survive and to get money they need to give wages. This applies in every circumstance. As business gets bigger, the more they need to give in wages or other means.

The more efficient the market, the better the life of people in the market. In the end, we may end up having most manufacturing, excavation and manual tasks mechanized.

but we will also likely master "job searches and match" technology to the degree that people can be assigned to jobs where they will be most likely to flourish at a highly personal level.

Since most shit jobs would be done and competition advanced to the highest levels.

The two largest industries employing people will be those related to tech and maintenance as well as those involved in creativity and leadership.

HR would have all the resources necessary to only select the best fitting workers. Small business will benefit massively due to the higher availability of cheaper goods and stores can pop up all over. Custom goods will be everywhere and hand made items will obtain a special "scarcity" value.

Work will be hard still but the market optimization promises incredible gains across the board.

Keep in mind, market efficiency (robots) can never outpace the actual market. So long as the market is capitalistic.

The only 1st world countries that will have problems with robots taking jobs, are the ones taking tons of immigrants.

Real 1st world countries have shrinking populations, so by the time robots are advanced enough to take every blue collar job in the market, there won't be that many people at all.

Did anyone see the millenial job thread a few hours ago, about the kid who got killed by the wood chipper? If these robots can automatically do those jobs then fuck it, bring it on. Industrial factory work is terrible

This. It's all part of the agenda, even the most basic search into it will reveal a huge number of the global elites are in favour of massive human depopulation, from Prince Philip to Bill Gates.

>every single job
>1 post by this ID
next time you shitpost you fucking retarded socialist, don't be such a cuck about it

there is no way robots could ever take "every single job" and we're not giving basic income.

No basic income. NO. Bad cuck swede.