/og/ - Orthodox General

u should filter me and run away from me crying into your hanky

your guy spammed baby crying images, we're all the same underneath the skin

my argument against christianity: jesus isnt real

wahh wahh mad degenerate nihilist

That's a hot opinion you have there.

>I haven't had reason to filter you yet. Do you intend to give me one?
I killed JonBenet and rubbed my half-erect cock on her silky panties but couldn't cum. Then I left and lived my life and now her retard brother is getting blamed. Strangling her and seeing the life leave her little eyes made me feel like god must feel when he's giving little kids cancer.

thank u

Thanks OP, I am going to read your links and educate myself on orthodoxy, I am a lost protestant, and I don't trust Catholicism given what I know about their practices.

Thanks OP, im gonna read about santa and the easter bunny and maybe if the arguument is good enough ill beleieve in them again because my brain is the size of a babys brain

Where would one meet a cute orthodox girl at?

Filtered ;)

no you didnt filter me its a lie
ur a liar

Proud of yourself fedora fag, I was like you once thought I knew everything. Hidden

madddd gaytheist LOL

oh yea well i filtered u too, so how about that

no moral compass

BTFO

I'm going to go out on a limb and say church.

Odds are good that many of the things you don't like about Catholicism are also present in Orthodoxy. This is the thread to try to resolve any of those issues, however.

Ten differences between Orthodox and Catholicism.

1. Orthodox reject inheritability of sin. Death and suffering are human nature, we only don't suffer them when partaking in perfect synergism with God's energies, which we haven't since the fall.

2. The Orthodox reject the "satisfaction theory of atonement". The Orthodox subscribe to "Christus Victor" (the idea of atonement illustrated in The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe).

3. Hell in Orthodoxy is not separation from God. Hell, like heaven, is experiencing the full radiance of God's light and presence, but with a negative relationship so that it is like fire.

4. The Orthodox reject the idea that our understanding of dogma develops. The idea is to keep the exact same understanding the Apostles have, invented terminology is not meant to develop the understanding, but to PROTECT it from being "developed".

5. Catholics define usury as excessive interest, Orthodox define usury as any interest.

6. The Orthodox reject the Catholic idea of supererogation.

7. The Orthodox reject Purgatory. The Orthodox do, however, distinguish Sheol (called "Hades" in Greek) from Gehenna.

8. Orthodoxy places enormous emphasis on fasting, in fact more than half the days of the year involve some sort of fast. And there are even some days which are total fasts, no intake, period. Two consistent fast days (almost every Wednesday and Friday, no meat, dairy, eggs, fish, oils or wine) trace back at least to the Didache.

9. Orthodox draw most of their priests from the married laity, but most of their bishops from monks.

10. Infants can and do receive Holy Communion.

>Orthodox reject inheritability of sin.
SO YOU DIRECTLY CONTRADICT THE WORD OF THE MOSHIACH, YESHUA BIN YAHWEH? BTFO!!!

>Hell in Orthodoxy is not separation from God.
SO YOU THINK THE ALLEGORY OF THE GARBAGE DUMP OF GEHENNA IS JUST LIKE HELL? BTFO!!!

>Catholics define usury as excessive interest, Orthodox define usury as any interest.
SO YOU'RE A BUNCH OF SOCIALISTS? BTFO!!!

>Orthodoxy places enormous emphasis on fasting, in fact more than half the days of the year involve some sort of fast.
THAT EXPLAINS WHY YOU SOUND LIKE A MALNOURISHED RETARD LMBO! BTFO!!!

Orthodox. Read this article, pls. incendiarious.wordpress.com/2009/11/28/the-final-interview-with-father-daniel-sysoyev-hasten-to-heaven/
This is the last sermon of the priest who was killed by muslims. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Sysoev Many consider him a martyr of the 21st century.

I would like to know your opinion.

WTF I hate religion now.

I am ashamed to be catholic, and want to convert to orthodoxy. What should I know about the difference ms between the two, or similarities, and where should I start to educate myself?

I tend to agree that Ukrainian brand nationalism doesn't blend with Orthodoxy

here are some

You might try this for an intro to the faith
newadvent.org/fathers/3304.htm

I understand exactly what usury is and I agree with as you describe.
Supererorgation, as in pennance and faith through works, I know Christ said something along the lines works is not enough.
I know nothing about Purgartory aside I thought Catholics made it up, but I know hell is a real place.
I have never fasted, but I don't drink alcohol anymore.
Seems to make sense to me on some level, but I need to learn further

There's a podcast on ancientfaith radio, "Approaching the Wardrobe," made for not-yet-Orthodox.

Supererogation is the Catholic doctrine that you have a set amount of works required for salvation, and the rest is "extra credit"

Hmm, like they could cash it in for hypothetical good boy points with God? Seems kind of strange, I go by the understanding God is the only one that provides judgement on your lifes works.

Originally it meant any extra works they had were put in storage, and you could buy them for money (in the form of certificates from the RCC), which allowed you to have permission to not follow rules since their works would make up for your rule-breaking.

So like get out of trouble for paying a fee, I can't say I have ever seen or heard about anything like that in the Bible, so I have to err on the side of caution and assume that idea came from a man or Pope and is wrong.

well. Your understanding of the Orthodox position is largely prejudiced or mistaken on many items. I will try to explain later.

~30 min

Plz explain for us, Ivan Ivansky Ivanovitch.

Check out the heterodox vs orthodox series on ancientfaith.

The term ‘Roman Catholic’ refers to the heresy formed around the person of the Pope of Rome (who broke away from the Orthodox Church in 1054 A.D.), which strives to subject the world to the incontrovertible doctrinal and decretal authority of this man, declared to be the “substitute [vicari] of the Son of God”, “Christ on earth”, etc. This is the fundamental and only truly unchanging doctrinal aspect of this sect and its essence; all other characteristics may be changed or ‘developed’ in new directions, of which history already records many examples.
In addition to the dogma of the Pope, the Roman Catholic heresy currently holds the heresies of the Dual Causation of the Holy Spirit, God as a Tripartite Energy (with Created Grace being a further heretical consequence), Purgatory and the Papal Treasury of Merits, Development of Dogma, the Divine Inspiration and Salvific Nature of all Religions (a heresy stemming from the 20th-century Freemasonic takeover of the Vatican), the Immaculate Conception of the Virgin Mary, the Sacramentalogy of Opere Operato, etc., as well as the canonical violations of claiming jurisdiction for the Pope in all dioceses, adding to the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed, Rejection of Married Priests, Mutation or Mutilation of the Mysteries of Holy Baptism, Chrismation, Confession, and Lord’s Divine Liturgy and Eucharist (unleavened wafers, removal of the invocation of the Holy Spirit, etc.), and the papal decrees ordering or sanctioning the robbery, torture, murder, enslavement, and other forms of inhuman maltreatment of insubordinate or non-Roman Catholic persons.

I was born and raised a Roman Catholic and attended Latin Mass for most of my life. Orthodoxy looks intriguing, but the idea of switching for whatever reason makes me uncomfortable. What should I do?

it won't be long now before the true believers in that asswipe of a cucked faggot kike Jesus "Dirty Yid" Christ are outnumbered by Gary Johnson supporters

>Orthodoxy places enormous emphasis on fasting

16. Moreover when ye fast, be not, as the hypocrites, of a sad countenance: for they disfigure their faces, that they may appear unto men to fast. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
17. But thou, when thou fastest, anoint thine head, and wash thy face;
18. That thou appear not unto men to fast, but unto thy Father which is in secret: and thy Father, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.
(Matthew 6:16-18)

Yes, but it's a bad thing? Fasting is not only a limitation of gluttony. This fervent prayer, spiritual practices, awareness of their sins. This is the time to cleanse the mind and body. Time of intense spiritual life. Fight with the passions and demons. Christian is a soldier in the war for his soul. Selection of the diet is very individual, it may be consistent with the priest's blessing.

Just attend an Orthodox Liturgy, then see how you feel.

Not sure how that conflicts with emphasis on fasting. If someone can't follow normally fast diets for health or work reasons, alternative ways to fast are worked out.

>10. Infants can and do receive Holy Communion.

Yes, the Eucharist is a spiritual medicine, the source of grace, one of the means of salvation. It is foolish to deny this Gift of Christ for small Christian children.

13. And they brought young children to him, that he should touch them: and his disciples rebuked those that brought them.
14. But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
(Mark 10:13,14)

>if someone can't follow normally fast diets for health or work reasons, alternative ways to fast are worked out.

yes, I mentioned it at the end.

Same kinda, feels like a slap in the face to my ancestors, throwing away the church they loved and cherished. I'd like to think they wouldn't of liked the direction the church is going but who's to say.

>1. Orthodox reject inheritability of sin.

need more information or link. Sinfulness is embedd in human nature from Adam and Eve.

The Orthodox Church is much closer to what your ancestors followed than what the RCC is today. Your ancestors would have left the RCC

>God's energies, which we haven't since the fall.

We have this energies from the grace Holy Spirit.

No it isn't. Sinful nature is a secondary nature you acquire through sinning. If sinfulness were "embedded" by Adam and Eve, then Christ and Mary would have been sinful.

The sin of Adam and Eve severed the human participation in the immortality and incorruptibility of God (by 'incorruptibility," I mean your body being able to suffer and die). Both the Theotkos and Christ had corruptible bodies (to say otherwise is a heresy called "aphthartodocetism": orthodoxwiki.org/Aphthartodocetism)

God's energies sustain literally every aspect of reality, but I'm talking about perfect synergy of the body with these energies.

16. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17. Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
(John 14:16,17)

The Eastern Church, unlike its Western counterpart, never speaks of guilt being passed from Adam and Eve to their progeny, as did Augustine. Instead, it is posited that each person bears the guilt of his or her own sin. The question becomes, "What then is the inheritance of humanity from Adam and Eve if it is not guilt?" The Orthodox Fathers answer as one: death. (I Corinthians 15:21) "Man is born with the parasitic power of death within him," writes Fr. Romanides (2002, p. 161). Our nature, teaches Cyril of Alexandria, became "diseased...through the sin of one" (Migne, 1857-1866a). It is not guilt that is passed on, for the Orthodox fathers; it is a condition, a disease.

stmaryorthodoxchurch.org/orthodoxy/articles/ancestral_versus_original_sin

>The Orthodox reject the Catholic idea of supererogation.

yes, There is a serious criticism of of this issue.

>The Orthodox reject Purgatory.

yes, before the Court, the souls are either in anticipation 1) of eternal bliss or 2) of eternal torment. Our prayers can alleviate their condition anyway.

>Sheol

a place that existed before the Harrowing of Hell. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrowing_of_Hell

I don't know if Augustine taught that so much as Catholics completely misconstrued what he taught (as with the Filioque--yes, Augustine said the Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son, but he said the Spirit proceeds *principally* from the Father, and also from the Son, whereas the Latins say the Filioque means the Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son as *one principle*).

>3. Hell in Orthodoxy is not separation from God. Hell, like heaven, is experiencing the full radiance of God's light and presence, but with a negative relationship so that it is like fire.

Yes, God expressly (deliberately) doesn't to torment of people . God will everywhere and in everything. But sinners and demons will not to assimilate this grace of God, it is contrary to their nature. This will be the cause of their suffering.

I'm still unsure as how this relates to what you said before
>Your understanding of the Orthodox position is largely prejudiced or mistaken on many items

>2. The Orthodox reject the "satisfaction theory of atonement".

Yes. the "satisfaction theory of atonement" has a number of shortcomings. Salvation is not a bargain with God or contract. People can be saved only by the grace and mercy of God. Man can not to be saved without God. Man is sinful and always passionate. His righteous works are only bonuses that he can to take in Heaven. In Paradise there is a hierarchy according to merit:
20. And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred. (Mark 4:20)
But each bonus is not a guarantee of salvation. It can be annulled. For example, because of pride or vanity. see Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard
f.e.

>The Orthodox subscribe to "Christus Victor" (the idea of atonement illustrated in The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe).

need more information on link

>le cute, pure Orthodox girl
>le putting cute Orthodox girl on a pedestal
>le edgy candles and white clothes

Fuck off, LARPing faggots. Fuck the backwards Orthodox Muscovite religion. It's for low-IQ Slavshits who need easy lies to believe in, lest they wake up and find a need to upset the Jew-owned status quo in their shitty, impoverished, polluted, underdeveloped countries.

>debating this meaningless faggotry

If God is real, he'll give me dubs. If Lucifer rules the material universe, he'll give me trips. Let's see who wins.

Oh yeah, of course. Neither of them exists.

I also forgot to add:

Give "le cute pure Orthodox girl" some money and she'll be sucking the dicks of ten niggers in no time.

Do not fall for the lie implied by OP's picture, the lie that women can be turned into beautiful, angelic beings by the power of religion.

Religion is a fraud and Christianity is a Jew-invented hoax. Keep worshiping the chosen people, goyim.

Calm down you raging faggot

>need more information on link
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christus_Victor

>8. Orthodoxy places enormous emphasis on fasting, in fact more than half the days of the year involve some sort of fast. And there are even some days which are total fasts, no intake, period.
No. Pretty much all acquaintance of mine are baptized into Orthodox. Only one of them fasts.

Being baptized Orthodox and being practicing Orthodox are hardly synonymous. There are plenty of people who don't even to Church except on Easter, but take their kids their for baptism.

>Being baptized Orthodox and being practicing Orthodox are hardly synonymous.
Try to say it that they are not Orthodox the Russians face (after you say them that you are burger). They believe that they are Orthodox - so they are Orthodox. This is how faith works.

Orthodoxy is not Sola Fide.

To quote Nassim Taleb (an Orthodox Christian)

>I consider the difference between "believer" and "atheist" as mere verbiage unless someone shows difference in action.

>They believe that they are Orthodox - so they are Orthodox.
Most of them cannot even remember 10 Conmandments or apostles names, let's be clear, they aren't even chrisrtians.

They also had baptism and have holy cross. So it is not faith alone. No one Russia would deny that they are in fact Orthodox. Only burger Catholics and other heretics do that but why we should listen to them? Chase them back.

Are they going to Holy Confession? Because baptism doesn't absolve post-baptismal sins.

"Tempt" is just an English variant of "test," they are two forms of the same word.

Christ experience passions, being human, but not *sinful* passions (such as lust or creed).

Mary's conception didn't imbue any sin in her

My dad's family is Orthodox, but they never fast.

To be honest, I have a hard time believing the majority of people in Russia, Serbia, Greece, etc fast regularly.

>If sinfulness were "embedded" by Adam and Eve, then Christ and Mary would have been sinful.

Jesus (due to the presence in him of human nature) was not free from the temptations (Temptation of Christ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temptation_of_Christ ) and passions (Agony in the Garden). It influenced to him, but he was able to overcome all of it because of his God's nature. Jesus was absolute sinless. But he acted by temptations and passions.

For this reason Orthodoxy denies, that Mary was conceiving by undefiled way. The Virgin birth through the Holy Spirit it's only about Jesus. Mary was conceived and born like an ordinary person. Sinlessness of Mary is an exceptional, but not absolute like Christ.

I wouldn't say a majority of people in Russia or Greece even regularly attend worship, so that's not really relevant. I'm sure you're familiar with the phrase "Cultural Christian"

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*greed

hey fag packets

Jesus was absolutely without sin (virgin birth, victory over death). But the passion and temptation attacked to him. In this case, Jesus did no sin. Mary is the most sinless human in the world. But she was born like an ordinary person. She was object of death. the passion and temptation attacked to her too. attack of passion and temptation =\= sin

remember that other thread earlier that had like no posters, and you were self bumping because no one cared, then i started posting in it and stirred up a ruckus and then people starting posting? your welcome. turns out im an orthodox priest and my shit posting and posting images of blasphemy and tits has only been a false flag to bring these threads together in defiance of me. so i guess you owe me. i am god to you and you should worship me. oh wait im not a jew so you wont worship me. nm

5. Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
6. And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7. Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
(Matthew 4:5-7)

So I was looking into the bible, and I wanted to read something that was holy, or spiritual, so then I remnered that the nook of Daniel has Daniel's visions, as divinely given to him, so I thought that would be pretty "powerful" or holy, and thats just exactly what I want to read SPECIFICALLY when I FAST.

Anything similar like this that you would recommend me?

I know there are many prophets in the OT, but I think it's only a few that actually have these "visions" or dreams.

Can someone recommend

In Orthodoxy, would it be considered a "sin" if someone didn't fast, or is it just a discipline Orthodox followers do to try to better themselves?

>A man is God
>An ordinary fucking man is God
>God is a Jewish peasant

Couldn't you have chosen to believe a dumber lie? Why not worship the Green Man instead?

Depends on the reason they didn't fast.

Isaiah.

My priests never force it or make you feel bad
But if you do it, you're expected to do it properly
This includes pure mind, thoughts, kind words, praying and no sex, even if you're married

My priest has said in several homilies that everyone is expected to fast.

You won't get guilt tripped over it, but it's not considered "optional"

>Church Fathers such as St. Gregory the Theologian vigorously denied that Christ was a ransom paid to the devil or any evil power.
>The Orthodox Church still holds to the Christus Victor view, based upon their understanding of the Atonement put forward by Irenaeus, called "recapitulation" Jesus became what we are so that we could become what he is.

this.

>Gustav Aulén writes in description of Christus Victor, "the work of Christ is first and foremost a victory over the powers which hold mankind in bondage: sin, death, and the devil."

Yes, this is the basic position of the Orthodox Church.

>and that God, in order to redeem humanity, sent Christ as a "ransom" or "bait" so that the Devil, not knowing Christ couldn't die permanently, would kill him, and thus lose all right to humanity following the Resurrection.

This is incorrect understanding. Christ destroyed the devil's power and penetrated into hell. But this is not a ransom or bait (too much honor for the devil). It is a fact.

Yeah they seem to all have various opinions
Is it just the Easter fast that's emphasised or all of them for you?
Macedonian orthodox here

1 Timothy 2:6

>Lastly, the notion of Hades being “deceived” during Christ’s descent is developed in the Synaxarion. This idea, also reflected in St John Chrysostom’s Paschal homily, goes back to St Gregory of Nyssa’s theory of how God deceived the devil, having hidden the “hook” of His divinity under the guise of His human nature. By swallowing the bait, Hades also swallowed the “hook” that destroyed it from within. If this image in Gregory of Nyssa’s exposition seems somewhat artificial or forced, it is expressed quite convincingly in the liturgical texts, since they speak not of how God “deceived” the devil, but rather how the devil “was deceived”, taking Christ for an ordinary person.
orthodoxeurope.org/print/12/1.aspx

Orthodoxy not says that Jesus and Mary were sinners. Due to the nature of the human, sinfulness made attempts to penetrate to them. This does not make them sinners, they successfully passed the tests. Human nature is prone to sin. The sinful nature of man =\= sin. "sinful nature" is tendency, property of predisposition, manifestations, morbidity, "sickness rate", but not sin. The opportunity for infection to penetrate in an organism. the chance of contracting, but not disease.

So... do you guys actually believe this or do you just wear it as a set of principles to improve your lives or relationships with others?

Almighty God became an ordinary man. It is not difficult for Almighty God.

You think Christ was predisposed to sin?

I believe Jesus is literally the creator of the universe.

>Christ Jesus; Who gave himself a ransom for all
>gave himself
>himself

"predisposed to sin" in the sense of the possibility to be tempted or feel the passion. Passion of Jesus were without sins, inverted en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passion_of_Jesus

What's your point?

Jesus didn't even have a gnomic will, dude

this is the worst meme

It is outer expression of the events. From the side it looked as. Balt/ransom is only one facet of the event (). But the essence is not a ransom to the devil.

Are you trying to make some sort of substance-accidents distinction?

>What's your point?
hinself = God, not devil
>Jesus didn't even have a gnomic will
Yes, I did not write anything about the gnomic will.

I am Roman Catholic.
Can I worship with you?

The Orthodox can not pray together with Catholics. But I hope that Jesus saves many Catholics. Especially those who do not understand any heresy.

Of course

>hinself = God, not devil
Aaand? Christ was the ransom being talked about here, the Devil wasn't
How could Christ sin without a gnomic will? A gnomic will is the only sort that sins.

He's asking if he can worship at *our* services, not asking if we can worship at his, ya dingus

Orthodoxy or Death.
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thanks.I just bought the Orthodox Study bible. This will help a lot.

No problem.