What labour union are you in Cred Forums?

what labour union are you in Cred Forums?

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Deutsche Arbeitsfront

the goy slave labor union

40 hour work weeks hold the average person back. 12-14 hour days are truly optimal.

Unions have devolved to Socialist mafia's, they hardly serve a place in the west today. All they do is mobilize idiots for socialist causes.

Believe me i have some in my family, they get paid to literally protest, its a fucking joke because literally no one even knows why they just want to get paid to stand and hold a sign.

None, I'm not a communist.

>When you work a retail job and you actually believed the training video that said "unionz r bad an employee is inherently indebted to their employer"

>working

Teamsters. I get local news letters and benefits, but outside my job I have nothing to do with the union.

Gladly pay my $200 per month

Sadly there isn't any union for programmers, I would've certainly joined.

I'm not a commie wage cuck, I'm my own boss. I refuse to hire anyone because [1 post by this ID] assholes like OP hate the free market so they don't deserve to work for me.

No one cares about your American ideology.

International Union of Operating engineers although I mostly work non-union jobs nowadays through subcontracting

set one up, man.

How does that work? My exposure to unions has been emergency services in a west coast state. Union locals are closed shop and essentially 50% of your employer. The union is active in the hiring process and has a say in whether you stay or not. During your probationary year you are judged by both the local and the administrative staff/training.

If you are going to live, eat, shit, and sleep with your shift, potentially for 30 years, they kind of have a right to vet you and make sure you are not a dirt bag.

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AMEN

A while ago when I was working for a Dollar General to pay my way through community college we had some dickhead hood rat that organized a "union" and demanded $12.50/hr and went on strike when the manager told them to go fuck themselves. I worked anyways and got promoted to assistant manager.

idk why they bitched so much the job already paid about $1.50 more than every other store that offered its employees minimum wage.

SCAB

Most union guys I've worked with are totally clueless and a waste of time and money.

Anyways we have companies that we do work through , one of them stays on the union side more and the other isnt.. most of us have books and do a union job here and there when our parent companies can get into it.

It's all a shitshow

I am as pro union as they come, but I disagree with some industries being unionized. Its not a freebie, it requires alot of work. The only industries that make sense as far as unions are concerned are ones that are skilled labor and therefore bring value to the table. The amount of effort required to run and operate a local is significant and obviously on the national scale also large and costly.

Menial jobs ought to be protected by federal labor laws that are trickle down of the work union workers do.

feels good to live in a right to work state

Do accountants have unions?

I doubt it, they probably make too many shekels.

Nice try, FBI

Teamsters here. I'm not in a right to work state so I had no choice but to join. Honestly it's not that bad, i get great benefits and decent pay. Paying dues sucks though and I HATE that promotions are based on seniority rather than skill.

In our industry it is the opposite. The union jobs are the hard ones to get, they are often public sector and pay double or triple what the private sector (for profit) pays. Therefore the union gigs are hard to get and as an employer the agencies get to pick the best of the best.

Privatized ambulance and fire service are cheap as fuck for a community and often free (fee for use) but the companies are operating in an industry that is damn near impossible to actually profit in, and therefore pay dog shit, cut costs any way they can and therefore the only people that come and stay are either newbies making entry into the career field or those that are not competitive enough to go elsewhere.

Communities that can pay for their own fire and ems services pay alot for it, but get what they pay for. I have seen it, worked it, and believe in it. I will never live in a place that does not have career full time public safety workers. Private ambulance and volunteer services cannot compare. Nothing against the individuals that participate, it is merely just facts and logistics.

You a TN faggot?

Unions are for pussies.

I work in a power plant operating turbines and generators bigger than houses. Funny thing is, management would fire us all if they could, they hate us because of the money we make. But hey, if you want to take the risk of hiring some schmo off the street to keep these machines operating, be my guest

LIUNA, we're the union that Hillary did her 50 pts ahead speech to

the UNT

>Implying the option to live this way wouldn't come naturally as nations industrialised
>implying unions today aren't retarded

As someone who works 12 hour shifts, I call bullshit on this. I think between 8-10 is optimal. After 11 or 12 hours, employees start getting sloppy. You're more likely to have people making mistakes and shit if you force them to work for, as you suggest, 14 hours straight.

Fuck off, NEET.

Get what you pay for?

I pay $2400 a year in union dues (200 per month).

What I get over my previously non-union job, 1 hour away? A shit ton.

NON UNION JOB-
>$44,000 a year salary
>$24 an hour overtime rate
>200 hours vacation/sick/leave time (not specific)
>Shit health insurance with high deductible

UNION JOB-
>$76,000 a year salary
>$40 an hour overtime rate
>240 hours vacation, 280 hours sick leave, ability to work OT to fill leave bank (comp time)
>$0 deductible health insurance paid for by employer, max out of pocket $1000 annual with no cap on costs.


I gladly pay my dues.

>what labour union are you in Cred Forums?
Unions are a commies tool to stop communism and hurt the worker more than just leaving for a better paying job

Op is in the European union

not for long, mate

"The Government should not interfere in business, except to break up unions to make the labour market more competitive. Then it's okay."
t. (((Milton Friedman)))

>unionz r bad
yes
> an employee is inherently indebted to their employer
no

and neither is an employer indebted to the employee

If the employee no longer wants to work for the amount of moneythe employer is offering he should leave and find better work or become an employer himself

wage paid is only half the story, there's also the benefits. For instance I made $42 an hour in wages, but my total compensation including benefits (health insurance, etc) comes out to almost 76. I'm not aware of any private sector line job that will pay $76/hour to provide a middle class lifestyle

What do you do?

>right to work state

kill me

The union work is still typically a higher pay scale, especially when working on larger lines the pay goes up.

In our line of work union is a bitch though personally because it's simply dangerous to deal with a bunch of flatlander fuckheads that only know how to Tonka truck dirt moving... we work on steep ground and deal with woods etc. Sorry my post aren't better I'm on mobile.

I more or less hate union for the reason that you have to hire people that are straight up shit in comparison with your steady crews that have worked together for 15 years. You add random people to the structure and you're paying more wages to get less done with a bonus of them being a safety hazard.

I'm not in a union but I get Health and Dental Insurance.

Even though its full of dip shit Democrats, I can't complain too much.

IBB (boilermakers) 108 reporting. Cucked and ready.

I was in the PCS when I worked in the Civil Service.

not a leftist but being unionized is pretty based

wish my union was more active though

My nigga im in the same union at a dow chemical plant

USW here.

Self employed, have one employee and he's my cousin.

Machinist Bro! What local?

Firefighter/Paramedic

Teamsters, I worked for UPS as a loader for a summer (Worst possible job since receivers and sorters can fuck up, loaders are the ones who as not only supposed to fix their mistakes, but not make any of their own.) They ended up having me loading three trucks at once because the other guy for my shift didn't come in and you have to scan yourself into each truck when you switch. Now loading 2 trucks at the same time was difficult if you got large load, 3 trucks was an exercise in futility (Think Lucy in the chocolate factory) and in the rush to not be overwhelmed and finish on time, I forgot to properly scan myself in one time for one of the trucks so even though the packages were heading to the right destination, it didn't read so in the system. This happened again later when I had to work solo because loaders have such a high turn over rate. My union rep shows up and tells me management wants me suspended so he asked me an account of what happened. Tell him what happened and not only did I not get suspended they made sure to pull someone from another area so I wouldn't load 3 trucks at the same time again in case the other loaders didn't show up.

It's a menial job, and I'm sure people are going to say I should be able to do what management demands or be fired, but it's nice to know if things get overwhelming the people you pay have your back to fix the situation.

are you afraid your cousin may unionize?

The CWU, the local branch is in the pocket of the bosses

aheeeeeeeem noone thank you very much Karl Marx

>implying the dialectic moves itself

Fuck off with your unions you commie bastards, You're not entitled to a job, you fucking EARN it.Nobody put a gun to your head when you signed the contract to sell your labor for money. Hate your job? Don't like your salary? Fucking QUIT and stop bitching you fucking pussies.

homelessness and starvation are real things. when you move out of your parents basement, you'll feel differently.

The only people that are anti union are usually liberal morons that has no applicable skills in life, people that waster their money on woman's studies and art degrees.

Unions weather you like them or not are one of the last things holding together the middle class of the world. Without unions companies would SHIT all over you. See Walmart.

Why wouldn't you demand the most money for your labor? You must be a cuck liberal fucking moron not to.

Fuck yourself Ahmed you live off welfare.

They're fine as an idea but they ought to be forced to compete with one another rather than just one union dominating an industry. And people shouldn't be forced to join them, obviously

Guess what dumbass, it

Unions are nothing but partisan money machines now, they were usful until 50 years ago but now they are just a drain on our economy. And pension is a stupid idea that has done nothing but bankrupted many an American company because the Unions forced them into making stupid short term financial decisions that damaged the company in the long term.

They can't expect you to load 3 trucks at once, you have the right to tell your supervisor to fuck off as long as you're keeping up your load rate (360/hr in my hub). As for your departure errors (Scanning fuck ups) thats bad but its understandable for a new employee just make sure you're F5'ing out of the trucks even if you're going to take a piss.

The job sucks complete ass but just remember you're paid for every minute you work and it's only going to get better pay wise the more you stay.

Source: Me 5+ year loader

I fully understand the concept of a contract, we renegotiate one every 4 years. What I don't get is your point. What are you talking about? Who said anyone owes me a job. Myself and everyone I work with works hard in a very skilled field that most clowns off the street could never do.

Support Unions: Stop Mass Immigration!

Spread phrases like this one around the internet and watch the Globalists throw a temper tantrum.

They're gonna call you racist for supporting closed borders so get ready.

I agree that a lot of unions have lost their way but the concept is solid. Pensions are a thing of the past, most new members of a union will not receive one. Legacy costs will eventually fall by the wayside as the boomers die off.

If you are not anti public union you don't qualify as non retarded

biggest shitbag of the thread right here

Your pic is laughably wrong

fee.org/articles/thank-capitalism-for-the-weekend/

Back in the day unions were very much a good thing, but now the balance of power has shifted too much in favour of the unions. Take for example the B.C teachers union, almost yearly those huge googles go on strike, make insane demands, and chant about the "poor chiluns who can't go to school because of the strike".

Used to be part of a food manufacturing union. It sucked ass because of all the retarded rules designed to fuck over the one with the least seniority.

I'm not a degenerate so I'm not in a union. I live in a proper state where anyone in unions is automatically fired

CNT/FAI

NUT, you'd have to be mad to work in a school in a school without union protection.

Lol tell me about it.

It is surreal to still see the same idiots holding children hostage 10 years later.

I am a member of AFGE which is a good thing.

If I want a couple drinks at lunch the protect me from any fascist that has an issue.

they are illegal in my country

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>If your employer breaches the terms of the contract, bring his ass to court.

>what is at will employment

Teamsters.

22 bro here - you?

58. It's in my blood. My grandfather was an international vp.

retired Union worker CWA1101 . The modern Union can actually help without being full commie, BUT you need trustworthy leadership and nowadays that's incredibly rare.

Work in mining so I'm not for the unions when the mining boom was in full swing they where trying to get anything possible from big companies to the point it was stupid for instance working in the pilbara commonly days are well above 40 degrees the larger union CMFEU wanted a tools down at 42 degree with free icy poles and if the temp didnt drop back below 42 after 3 hours they have to go back to site with full days pay ( 12 hours ) and the fucks didn't get it so they chimped out and had a protest for 3 days which cost the company 1.6 mill an hour due to no one loading ore onto trains so personal experience has left me alittle sour towards unions I understand they helped with most rights I have now but just like 3rd wave feminist its no longer needed the fights over now it seems they look to start shit.

>looking for film production work
>see this
>memebership fees are over $400

Fuckin A
Mass Comm was a mistake

International Brotherhood of Ensuring Everyone Works Part-Time with Minimal Benefits

no, I work. that being said I'd rather live on the dole than be a stay at home virgin.

RMT.

Local 2019 represent.

I actually work on the theatre side of things rather than film.

>American ideology

The 40 hour work week was invented by Henry Ford, not a union.

And Child Labor laws were the result of the Fair Labor Standards Act. Again, not a union.

easier said than done.

I'll never be in a labor union. Since my work is actually valuable to people, I can represent my damn self without having to pay some retard an arm and a leg in union fees (which largely get donated to communist politicians no less).

Yes - unions are full of selfish communist thin-skinned pricks. The actual union shills anyway.

NUS (National Union of Students) UK

not in america

Weird I'm not in a union and I have all of those things and more.

>implying capitalism and free enterprise didn't already introduce weekends and short work weeks on its own
>implying you don't opt for leisure instead for working two or more part-time jobs

sage

unions are bad for the economy.

The 40 hour workweek came long before unions. The less-unionized US had much higher working conditions than uber-unionized UK and Germany by the 1900s.

excessively prohibitive child labor laws hurt children

fuck off shill

In many public industries, pay and benefits is a small percentage of what unions actually negotiate.

You wouldn't understand hold over, hours of work on a 24 hour shift, operational staffing for safety, should I go on? Much of what unions do is dictate operations. The collective come to a consensus about what is humanly reasonable as far as expectations.

City workers shouldn't have to sit at their desk at 7pm on christmas day just because.

>having others fight your battles for you

IBEW

CFMEU

United steel workers

>implying unionist commies throwing fits somewhere else has any positive impact on him whatsoever

>ideology
>well sourced factual evidence
You're the one who relies on ideology, friend

Lol not In a union and I have

Unlimited pto

6 weeks paternity leave

I have almost doubled my salary from age 23 to 27 from 49k to 92k

I hardly work weekends

I don't need some faggot commie union dues siphoning off my check

I have many job skills and I know how to negotiate

Meanwhile, you laborors have been stupid enough to trust the Democratic Party the same way Christians trusted the republicans

They have fucked You over and will continue to

This is what conservitards believe, yet they still preach trickle down economics... the Irony.

you do realise nations impose their laws across the board and down through the years?

unions, especially public unions, hurt workers and the economy and fund welfare queen union bosses.

nobody owes you a living, shill

What industry are you in?

inb4 white collar, service industry worker and missing the point completely.

pfft, it's not trickle-down, it's vacuum-up

>muh trickle down economics!
what form of utterly wrong Keynesianism do you support, libtard?

nobody owes you a living shill

>implying anyone is talking about trickle down
>implying you don't buy and sell whatever you fucking want, and that others do the same based on their and others valuations of goods and services

There's never been a man-made law that wasn't a retractive measure in regard to a previous law that has done more people good than harm.
Freedom is the ultimate value, commie.

>excessively prohibitive child labor laws hurt children
More than their arm getting caught in a textile machine and having to be amputated?
More than breathing in coal fumes 18 hours a day 7 days a week?
More than privatized police beating them for not meeting the company's quotas?

When I worked at a grocery store in California I was in the UFCW (think they've merged with another union since then). Even though I'm skeptical about unions, I have to admit things were a thousand times better at that job than my unionless grocery store job in Alabama.

RMT, though possibly ASLEF soon.

But government created all of those things, not unions. They're not good things, either.

>More than their arm getting caught in a textile machine and having to be amputated?
working at a burger joints tends not to cause this. Stop buying into this feminist hysteria.

>More than privatized police beating them for not meeting the company's quotas?
This has never even happened in recorded US history, it is just liberal fantasy

In any case, working at a mom and pop shop is observably NOT worse than child prostitution and poverty, which happened in large numbers as a result of those laws. Kids should be allowed to work with their parent's permission, because it might well be the case that that job is better than any of their alternatives.

Way to react like a feminist, though

Verdi

>quoting niggers

back to tumblr, cuck, your BBC worship ain't welcome here.

Jesus found the fucking 20yo college student that's never had anyone depend on him.

>disrespecting based Sowell
YOU go back to tumblr, keynesian stormtard!

youtube.com/watch?v=aPBeIN6WxzY

found the 45 year old McDonald's cashier who thinks I owe him and Tyrone Jr. money

Thanks, but it was just a summer gig years ago. Only brought it up because it was the one time I interacted with a union and the whole thing of me racing between the three trucks trying to keep up with the belts while not just throwing the packages into a jumbled pile sticks out in my mind.

you are a NIGGER-LOVER

NIGGER-LOVER
NIGGER-LOVER

None. I'm an unskilled labourer going to college on and off, union membership would be a big red flag. I worked in a closed shop for a while, fucking hated it.

stormfag

youtube.com/watch?v=Qi8clPrg7kc

see
People get to *choose* who they want to support. Nobody *owes you jack shit*.

So you are denying historical evidence of privatized police forces and even the national guard being called upon to put down the middle class worker, yet seem to think that by not allowing kids to work for mom and pops we suddenly have child prostitution rings and immense poverty?

What year are you in?

Also, burger joint? No one has said burger joint workers should or should not be in a union. There are still high risk, inudstrial jobs out there that benefit from union protections.

Mom and pop? Yea, because I can just start making automobiles and airplanes and run my own school all on my own.. with my cousins as the previous poster discussed.

go to bed kid

>Don't join a union, goyim! It hurts my profit margin - er, I mean, the country!
I'm no commie but if you think you shouldn't have a say in your wages and benefits, then you're literally a cuck.

In the United States, a few limited eight-hour-day laws were on the books shortly after the Civil War. One, in Illinois, was passed in 1867, followed in 1868 by a law covering certain classes of federal workers. But neither law was well-enforced, and in most sectors, working hours of 10 to 12 hours were common. So a reduction in the work week became a leading issue for the nascent labor movement.

The issue came to a head in 1884, after the Federation of Organized Trades and Labor Unions -- a predecessor of today’s AFL-CIO -- called for all workers to have eight-hour days by May 1, 1886. When that deadline wasn’t met, labor leaders upped the ante by calling for demonstrations. In Chicago, peaceful marches morphed into violence, with an explosion marring a rally at Haymarket Square on May 4, 1886, leaving seven police officers and four workers dead. Subsequent trials, executions and clemencies for the accused made the eight-hour week a top issue nationally and internationally.

All of this occurred decades before Ford founded his company in 1903.

Unions are not welfare.

>he's just a stormfag not like me im an eJEWcated cuckold who loves BBC in my wife

fuck off libtard cuck.

Non-union electrician here.
There are still good construction unions, but IBEW is a big fat mess.

leftypol has a word for it: classcuck

Why doesn't Verdi do anything against the rise of temporary contracts in Germany? It's a fucking plague and spreading towards the formerly better jobs.

>Non-union electrician
Wish I could do that in Illinois.
Pretty sure that's almost, if not entirely, impossible here without risking harassment by the state.

Local 51 up in dis. But seriously Unions are pretty awesome. If you can get in.

Union "leaders" are effectively welfare recipients.
Especially in jobs where employees are forced to join the union in order to even work there.

>So you are denying historical evidence of privatized police forces and even the national guard being called upon to put down the middle class worker
No, but that never happened to children.

>yet seem to think that by not allowing kids to work for mom and pops we suddenly have child prostitution rings and immense poverty?
That is indeed what happened when child labor laws were first passed in NY and other places, although I wouldn't say "immense" poverty as a result--certainly, the poverty became MORE immense in poor immigrant communities.

I wasn't talking about unions you sperg. Children should be allowed to work in low and yes even moderate risk environments, it socializes them and provides the ones who really need money with money.

>go to bed, kid
how old are you realistically? record your voice on vocaroo.com, I would be surprised if you're even done with puberty

I know, but you seem to think employers owe you extra money for no particular reason other than, you "need" it.

>says the one who supports the welfare state and disparages based sowell
youtube.com/watch?v=lm-FqtAOSB8

LIBTARD NIGGER-LOVER

THIS KEK LOVES NIGGERS

HE WANTS TO RAISE BLACK BABIES

THIS LIBTARD IS A KEKOLD

I'm in Illinois, dude.
All you gotta do is give them the middle finger.
Granted I'm a specialist (fire alarm) so it's a little easier to get by. There are practically no non-proprietary union alarm companies, so union contractors are forced to hire us.

I don't love niggers kek. Keep spouting memes because you're a Keynesian who can't take down Sowell any other way, though

The grocery store I worked for way back when was union.

The union was fine until it got in bed with the company and sold out the newer workers for the older ones.

But that's how these things go.

What? When was it specified, cops went after children?

So what happened 100 years ago to kids, somehow is applicable to kids today? Dare I say, kids who's parents are in a union most likely live a better "middle class life".

I'm an adult, and a union member of 10 years.

Pipefitters. I make 2.7x more than journeymen 20km to the south of me in North Dakota. My company just posted $1.5b profit. Everyone wins. That being said public sector unions need to be eradicated.

keep sucking nigger cock faggot libtard

I thought the apprenticeships require union approval? That's what I was told a few years back when I was considering trying electrician work anyway.

>What? When was it specified, cops went after children?
holy fuck. Read the thread before replying, idiot

>i'm an adult
I'm not going to believe that without a vocaroo

>Especially in jobs where employees are forced to join the union
You don't understand how it works, the union members issue a demand that the company must only hire other union members. You're suggesting that the government should interfere in private contracts and negotiation between myself, my co-workers and my employer.

Depends. Where I live the unions demand that large companies solely use the union or they will refuse all future contracts for a set period of time. The private corporations leverage their power and the private union members leverage their power and we meet somewhere in the middle.

No, I mean where laws *literally force* non-union members to pay union dues even if they don't join the union, like teacher's in Illinois.
It's either join the union and pay the union, or don't join... and still pay the union. That's state law here. I know exactly what I'm talking about - my father is and my mother was a teacher.

If you go through a large institution, they will take care of that. I'm with ABC and they have me sign OJL forms that say I'm working full time and attending class.

Yeah I doubt this happens. Regardless public sector unions are an entirely different scenario when people talk about unions 99% of the time they're talking about private citizens organizing and privately negotiating as a bloc with their employer.

Perhaps the union issued a demand that all hires must be from the union (as is their right to propose whatever rules they like). If you pay union dues you're a member of the union whether you go to the hall and vote or not. It's like saying a taxpayer isn't a citizen because he doesn't vote.

If I were the employer I'd just shut down. I'll find something else to do if I have to deal with incessant bitching from my employees (at least if that bitching is over stupid shit).

That's still somewhat annoying though. People shouldn't need the approval of some goon organization in order to get training in electrician work. The fact that your employer might do it for you doesn't make it any less dumb that it has to be done at all.

Operating Engineer, with regards to building trades unions the only difference is greed on the part of the contractor, construction estimators bid jobs down to the penny, the cost of construction is the same union or non union, its simply greed at the top, the contractor either uses union hands to do the job and makes 5%
or uses non union to do the job and makes 20%, i believe in collective bargaining, its simply a group of people voting and agreeing or not agreeing to a set of conditions.
I'm a towercrane operator.

Pic related.

>If I were the employer I'd just shut down.
No you wouldn't because 97% of the people in my line of work are unionized and next time you boiler blows up your $120,000,000 manufacturing plant won't get back on line. What the fuck is it your business if me and my co-workers want to leverage our value then so be it. My company pays its shareholders more than $60m in dividend profits every single month.

Really fucking important, and should be the ones responsible for labour rights, not the government

>Yeah I doubt this happens
It literally does.
nrtw.org/a/a_1_p.htm
Illinois teachers *MUST* pay union dues even if they aren't part of the union by law here in the state. They're literally forced to if they want to work as a teacher in a public school.

Your attitude is why more than half of Americans make less than $30k/mo and why Canada surpassed your middle class more than twenty years ago and has widened the gap ever since. Thankfully your anti-worker attitude is virtually non-existent outside of the USA.

You must be mad to work in that crane.

or a slav

Yeah well you have states that forbid workers from privately negotiating with their employers. I guess it's not surprising thankfully that shit doesn't exist anywhere else in the world.

How would my boiler blow up when I shut down and am not running it, exactly?
I'm telling you that if your bitching ever made running my business not worth it, and some faggot law or something made it so that I couldn't replace you, I'd just stop operating that business entirely and go do something else.

30k/yr my bad

zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-21/goodbye-middle-class-51-all-american-workers-make-less-30000-year

Yeah man the board of directors is going to fold up a company that brings them more than a billion in profit every single year because some workers privately leveraged their value and negotiated a private contract. What a fucking joke this is why I make almost 3x more than the exact same job 20km south of me in ND.

We're considerably more prosperous than you, leaf. It's not "anti-worker" to suggest that I'm going to spend my own time and resources how I damn well please.

>Yeah well you have states that forbid workers from privately negotiating with their employers
*Exactly*. It's fucking insanity.

NITO it's a labour union for engineers

>We're considerably more prosperous than you
Sure nobody disputes that the best place to be a billionaire is the USA. Unfortunately 99.9996% of us aren't billionaires.

A business that employs enough people for there to develop a union isn't necessarily a corporation with stock options.
I'm not talking about a corporation - I'm talking about a sufficiently large and *still owned by me* business.

A kid's only responsibility is school lad
Work interferes with that, so no job for them

We have a higher percentage of people who make more than x USD more than you at any given value of x too, actually.

What's up with the namefag? Tripcodes are used for special posts and leaks. Lurk more or go back to plebbit.

If you want my services I am going to negotiate i'm not going to accept whatever cut rate shit pay you offer. Your anti-worker anti-private negotiation stazi attitutude is why more than half of Americans now make less than $30k/yr.

Note that this is 50% of the 60% of Americans that work at least one hour per month. The funny thing is our current union system was modeled after the American system of 50 year ago we just never undermined it.

zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-21/goodbye-middle-class-51-all-american-workers-make-less-30000-year

Reminder not to reply to tripfags
If they can't follow simple conduct, they have no opinion worth hearing about

>all these americans saying they aren't commies
Why are Americans so fucking stupid? Truly slaves to the kike.

Lurk more newfag.

I'll negotiate how much I'm willing to pay your for your labor - sure. That's fine. If you give me a bad offer I'm going to say "no" though. You can go elsewhere if you don't like whatever I'm in a position to pay for labor.

>that work at least one hour per month
>at least one hour
Heh. Hehe.

>If you give me a bad offer I'm going to say "no" though.
Nobody forces you to use the unions, you're more than welcome to fix that boiler yourself while your plant loses millions every single week. Again what's up with the newfag namefag tripfag shit? This isn't plebbit or SA we are all anonymous unless it's required to tripcode.

This. I could Walk in and job almost anywhere I wanted.

It's stupid to work without a union. Black people fuck themselves over because they never unionize.

There isn't? We have such unions.

People make shekels BECAUSE they are in a union. Or as a result from things unions have done. Companies give as little money as possible.

They used to be an anarchist union

Court costs money... Unless you are in a union of course then you get a team of lawyers and pay $0 extra.

It does not... Any shorter work week has come from union work. You see this more developed in countries with unions. Without unions they would just force people to work 16 hours per day every day like they used to.

I'll pay what I think I think I can afford to pay to keep my shit going. If you, as part of a union effort, make it impossible for me to operate at cost, however (as has happened countless times over the decades) then I'm going to shut down. So both you, and anyone who *did* want to work, will have no employment with me. Congrats man - you made the world a much more productive place!

Also
>Nobody forces you to use the unions
Unions do actually. Unions have murdered, beat, and otherwise violently intimidated and assaulted what they call "scabs" for decades and decades as part of "negotiations".

I'm a union electrician.

I make a solid livable wage, I have good benefits, and my local does a good job at securing work.

uaw-ford

>implying
>post your face when the 5 day work week was the brainchild of Henry Ford who raised wages for his employees and shortened their work week and DESPISED the kikes and their unions.

You aren't getting cucked by Union dues are you Cred Forums? You know they give your money to the Democrats right?

hes right, i hate unions, altho my co. is private i can usually bid lower then a union job because im not paying double fo ra guy to sit on a shovel

that being said unions are nothing more then mafia democrate loving faggots

we may have needed them back then but now with federal wage laws, msha osha epa and a ton other govt people telling me about safety we dont need them

I forgot to mention in my post, Unions should be illegal for government employees. If you are in the public sector, and voluntarily joined the Union you should get gassed. I'm sick of fat fucks at the DMV using "collective bargaining" to "bargain" with me, the taxpayer.

Literally not even a Union.

The first unions in the US were socialist or mafia. Now they're both.

Carpenters. Worked in an office for a few years, pay was shit, work was mindnumbingly dumb.

Signed up for Cabinetry apprenticeship, have a blast at work now. Make enough to support wife and two kids, pay mortgage, two cars, etc.

Its hard work, but its satisfying. Would be making barely over minimum wage if I went non-union. Instead I get a livable wage, benefits, and a retirement account.

>Unlimited pto

No. What the fuck does that even mean? You're suggesting that your job pays you even if you decide to not come to work for a year.