Who should I vote for if I want to support Ukraine and why?

Who should I vote for if I want to support Ukraine and why?

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why would you want to support ukraine?

Because I'm from Ukraine :^)

>bcuz me from hohol place I have to be whoever is ruining hohol place right now
>me belívin kiev hohol propogandu
>me retarded hohol

thats what you sound like with your uninformed comments

But that's literally incorrect.

why don't you go back?

If you're a Kosher Nazi, then you should vote for whoever is the biggest jew.

I like it here.

Ukraine still exists?

Easy. If you'd like to see Ukraine destroyed by a war with Russia, Hillary is for you. The frigid dyke set to be her sec of defense (victoria nuland) was the prime mover behind the last coup. The have leaked audio of her (on an unsecured line) bragging about it.

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Shillery Clinton

Hillary, she will turn it into a USA puppet sate. Trump will let Putin have half of it.

then why care about the shithole you left

>ukraine

Vote Porosenko.

What are the "ukrainians"?
Can't find anything about them previous to WW1

Trump because clinton would rather I Gn it a war in Ukraine. Don't ebil eve these memes that say trump will he allies is with Russia and shit. Trump said he will get along and deal with Putin not surrender strategic countries like Ukriane.

That's a dangerous game. Being loyal to 2 different countries is never a good idea.

Hillary will attempt to undermine Putin at every turn, so there's your answer. I myself would never support a Soros, Globalist, whore.

You're fucked in that case. Hillary will turn your country into a crater and Trump will leave you to the Ruskies.

Might as well accept your fate and vote Stein.

Holy fuck my auto correct really fucked up this time

I'm voting trump and i'm from west Ukraine

Hillary is pure evil

تمتص ديك محمد

They call themselves '404-nation' and we call them cockholes, because it makes a perfect match to describe their nation.

Still more of a nation, than you ever were.

Ukrainians are the people from the region of Ukraine. They didn't have their own country but they had their own self identity and culture.

My girlfriend is from the Ukraine, fled it during the invasion, and we are both firmly voting Trump.

Hillary.

Trump is a russianboo

Ukraine is a meme country. Western parts are Polish, eastern parts are Russian. It has no value being on it's own, it's people are meant to be ruled.

>uncommon flag
Thanks user

no way she fled it during the invasion and can vote now

Hillary
Trump is just putns puppet and corrupt with huge ego

Jill Stein

gas the xoxols

Ukrainians are actually russians in denial that get cucked by poles/lithuanians and then fell for the Habsburg meme that Ukraine is not russian

Foreigns voting?

Is it allowed?

M8 it started late 2014 and if she had a sponsor she could have done it.

I like Cred Forums in almost every aspect except for the Putin shilling. Russians are ok but Putin was KGB. Weren't we supposed to want communists and socialists death with no exceptions? Putin is also a mongolian manlet who favors the Jew oligarchs in his country.

Also Ukrainians have existed for a long time.

Yeah, sure. Hillary will turn the whole Ukraine in battlefield just to shit on Putin and will lose. Ukraine will be ruined complitely.
This user get it right.

Vote Trump of you want to see the conflict come to an end in a short period of time, although the outcome will likely favor Russia. Vote Clinton if you want to see the conflict extended indefinitely and have the outcome benefit non-state actors and globalist billionaires.

You're don't even live in the old world you monkey
Told you that Jews support Putin.

Communists are in DC, Kiev, and Brussels now comrade, not in Moscow. By all means you should wipe them out. Wipe them off the face of the Earth.

Ukraine relies too much on the West, and on the EU. Trump will make them step up their game. Hillary will keep playing the soothing lies.

Also fuck every putinlover on Cred Forums, those guys are building themselves a massive pit desu

But isn't "the ukraine" as much of a nation as "the amazonia" or "the siberia" are?

Maybe I will give you the hardest redpill to swallow, but almost all governments and leaders nowadays are controlled by jews.

The old style socialism is dead.
Now the problem is other

Neither you

Ukraine will cease to exist in two years at this rate. America is your new home so just vote Trump if you don't want it to suck.

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Not that simple the Ukrainian area has always had a separate culture and you know the cossack revolts and all that. Their language only shares a 60% vocabulary with russians.
>"The"
Holy hell it's not the Ukriane ts just Ukraine. There is no "the".

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This.
Then stfu. If you think that voting for trump or hillary really affects anything here, then you are retarded.

Impressing collection user!
Otsukare sama!

Don't get me wrong. Voting for what I believe is better for the US is more important for me than Ukraine's well-being but I still have some family and friends there, that's why I'm asking.

>Told you that Jews support Putin.

No, Russians support Putin.
And so does Trump

No lad, they have land. Through the luck of fate, they ended up with their own land and an Army.

They are trying their hardest to ruin it though. (they just lost Crimea and some of the more industrial zones in two Oblasts Donetsk and Lugansk, by being complete retard cucks and puppets of some of our jews.

"Ukraine" started as the Kievan Rus', it had the same roots as the russians. Cossacks are a pretty late "invention".

>Their language only shares a 60% vocabulary with russians.
Because the poles cucked them

This. Virtual nation that cant live independently. 25 years of their so-called independence proofs it.

Imagine, they even sold an aircraft-carrier to China for several million dollars.
The whole independence were like 'Russia gib me gas, oil and money nao!', just like they now asking IMF and US for money and weapon.
They are useless trash

Trumps said he'll get along with Putin he never sia she will "support" him. Also what do you mean "support", support him in what?
>poles cucked them
By cucked you mean they revolved every chance they had until klementzky finally achieved some autonomy for the area

>Cossacks are a pretty late "invention".
Cossacks are only non-meme thing about Ukraine.

It might affect.
So am I not allowed to care about Ukraine just because I don't live there anymore? At least I'm trying to do something even if it is just voting. What have you done?

You're family will be fine, just vote Trump and wait for Ukraine to get absorbed into Russia.

What state you live in mane?

If you're satisfied with how thing are now vote Hillary, she'll be same as Obama in relations with Russia and Ukraine.
Trump is pretty uneducated and doesn't know much about Ukraine. Considering the fact that he spoke positively about Putin and Russia he might cancel some sanctions.
I think you should lean towards Clinton, she wont improve anything but probably wont mess up more.

arigato senpai!

NY.

Killary

srsly? Trump. Or are you are unaware of how your country has been used in this most recent colour war? And by whom?

If the people of "Amazonia" had their own well-developed and old(er) language, had prolonged periods of history in an empire of a different culture and technological development (I'm talking about the construction of academies and education in Ukraine under Poland that was much earlier than their first apperance in Russia), and had fought an uprising war against it's host country that lead to their autonomy being secured in a communist union, which the host country then quits 80 years later... then yes, it would be quite like Amazonia.

But you realise that out of all that has been said and done, language is, by far, the most important determinant of a nation? Language- it secludes people's horizons, and it completely changes the people's outlook on life, attitudes, beliefs, and so on... it is alone enough to result in a new country. And that is exactly why Ukraine exists, as it had existed since the splitting of Russian and Ukrainian, and why it has been it's own governed nation since 1917.

Lol are you in Brighton beach

>ukrainian
>out

A cuck state for an immigrant from a cuck nation.

>they just lost Crimea and some of the more industrial zones in two Oblasts Donetsk and Lugansk
Actually from a historical point of view I don't see how "Ukraine" has any rightful claim to Crimea.
I mean, historically there has never been "ukrainians" there.
Back in the day of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, Tatars used to raid all the villages around the Dniper to capture slaves that later they'd sell to the Ottomans.
It was the Russian Empire the one who conquered those lands from the Tatars (Cossacks) and developed them in record time.

Where were these "Kievan Rus" for the past 1000 years?
Ukrainians claiming to be the Kievan Rus makes as much sense as the palestinians claiming to be Philisteens. And Kievan Rus ancestry is something they only claim when they are not pretending to be cossacks.

>Brighton beach dweller itt
You better hurry up and wash some dishes before boss fines you fucking out of the restaurant.

Nah. That place is disgusting.

$.02 shekels have been deposited into your account. Thanks for correcting the record!

First of all modern Ukrainians are not only from region that was called Ukraine. Halych, Podolia, Volyn wasnt called Ukraine. Neither the south.
Self identity or not, but modern Ukrainian identity doesnt have anything to do with the past one. People back then called themself Rusyns, and called their language "Rus'ka mova" or Ruthenian.
Modern Ukrainian identity really became a thing in 20th century, thanks to commies.

I knew you would be in either California or New York. That's where all slavs and armenians are. It's a fucking blessing to since they're a solid republican voter base.

This.
Totally artifical nation

> People back then called themself Rusyns
But they pretty much non existent now.

he likes him that's enough for many conclusions

>ukraine

no such thing

Like it or not the people who lived on the territory of Ukraine themselves used force to make the commies recognise them as Ukraine, and give them their own soviet nation, and their own autonomy, which later lead to them becoming a separate nation in 1991, because Russia could only retract it's own membership from the Soviet Union of Russia, Ukraine and the others. What, the name is bad? Well that's a shame. If it was called Rusynia, would that be any better? The point still stands.

Hillary.

Trump and putin are going to get snug with eachother, with americas backing i could see some russian expansion being overlooked under trump.

That said if hillary is elected nuclear war with russia won't be good for the Ukraine.

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Translate vodka runes pls.

This looks very college humor

>If the people of "Amazonia" had their own well-developed and old(er) language
>and had fought an uprising war against it's host country that lead to their autonomy being secured
But user isn't ukrainian like a dialect of russian that got "enriched" by polish?
About ancestry, I can understand the rusyn claiming to be direct descendants of the Ruthenians (a historical nation) but I don't see where the Kievan Rus and the Ruthenians "evolve" into modern Ukrainians.

Hillary is more profitable for Ukraine. She hates russkies especially after leaks done by russian hackers. Putin said he likes Trump,Trump likes Putin and wants to be friends with Russia. Also Trump might damage NATO.
For Americans and US Clinton might be harmful but for Ukraine she's profitable.

I am very sympathetic towards Ukraine and have been following it closely since the Euromaidan.

I think Ukraine will be better off with Trump than Hillary in the long run. However it must be said that when it comes to long term strategic planning Trump is retarded and his advisers are shills. I'm holing out on the fact that when the Pentagon briefs him that he will see the light.

Unless Trump is a fast learner he will get walked all over by Putin.

Voting Clinton might be good for them in the short term and get them defensive weapons and loans but will probably just result in Russia sending in more troops into the Donbas.

Trump might be able to negotiate a cease fire and Trumps forwardness might call Russia out on their bullshit and lies regarding the conflict. But that's just wishful thinking.

I wish them the best, Fuck Russia. They took over Crimea and fucked up the East based on lies that right wing death squads were going to come holocaust ethnic Russians.

This. You are an American there for vote America first. However, ill still try to call out Trump on the issues he is wrong on and try to get him to fix himself.

this

Is this what Russians actually think?

Shitty pun about paralympics.

Da yankee

>Fuck Russia. They took over Crimea and fucked up the East based on lies that right wing death squads were going to come holocaust ethnic Russians.


What are your thoughts on the Odessa massacre?

vote for hillary because her hawkish attitude will deter putin in furthering his escapades in ukraine.

A dialect? Since when has that been the case? Ukrainian resembles Old East Slavic (the language of Kievan Rus, but you probably know that) far more than Russian does. It also resembles other Slavic languages, more. And why is that? Because Russian got enriched by Fins, Ugrs, Tatars, and so on- it devolved from the common language further.

And as for ancestry- I don't understand why Kievan Rus would belong to Russia more than to Ukraine. The rulers of it kept switching between Russian towns, yes, but Moscow was a completely new intruder into it, and can be said to be a different chapter in history, like the invasion of Kiev by Tatars and Poles, and the beginning of Cossackhood when the steppes were finally populated by Slavs and became an important geo-economic centre. Both Russians and Ukrainians have a cultural connection to Kievan Rus, so what is the question?

>Massacre

you mean shitty soviet era fire trap of a building that caught on fire and killed people after BOTH side threw Molotov cocktails at each other?

How many people are dead in Eastern Ukraine now? 10k?

Why would you care what some paid shill thinks about anything comrade?

Muh any one I don't like is a paid shill

You must go back

Speaking of non-countries, why is this shithole allowed to post on Cred Forums?

Don't they lead the world in murder per-a-capita? Worse than niggers

Hard to say. Trump was flirting with Putin, but it could have been all part of his 5D chess I keep hearing about. Hillary seems to be anti-russian at the moment, but she was the one who invented the retarded "reset" with Putin and has a history of selling out her country's interest for personal gains.

hello darkness my old friend

I don't like Clinton, but Trump surrounded himself with Russian agents '''foreign policy advisors''' and sucks Putin's dick. No shit he is popular here, typical Cred Forumsack.
So now I am just indifferent. If Clinton wins - fail, if Trump wins - probably fail too.

Holy shit how rare is this flag?

Sorry, I stand "corrected" comrade.

Oh lawrdy lawrd

Dey dindu nuffin, dey wuz just about to graduate n shiet. But dem evil nazi came n gased them right on da spot

She also took a tone of Uranium money from them.

I would hope his flirting is just 5D chess but a lot of his advisers are Russian shills.

Also Jill Stein is a confirmed Russian shill

Not as rare as the islands with less than 1k population

No no, user, I'm sorry I my comment wasn't clear. I am not claiming that Russians are more linked to Kievan Rus than ukrainian.
What I'm saying is that from a historical point of view I don't see where the Kievan Rus and Ruthenians suddently "evolved" into "ukrainians".
Notice that this is a dogma in Ukraine nowadays since is the pillar of the identity of modern ukrainians.

trump has shown open sympathy towards putin, you can say that he is just playing games, but when his team at the RNC openly denounces the republican policy towards russia(a more hawkish one). you have to start asking questions. personally I think trump is a putin shill which, putin launders money to(probably via his casinos).

>This.
>Totally artifical nation
Russians are also just a culture mixture of western slavs cummans and thier turko bros raped and colonised by baltics and scandinavians.
Ukraine may be an artifical nation,
but yo uare an artifical race and culture lmao

Fuck off.

I was on MP.net, the RIDF spam was far worse and more frequent. That was one of the reasons why the website got shut down. I had been posting on there since 2013.

R A R E

>(probably via his casinos).
literally House of Cards season 2

>They took over Crimea and fucked up the East based on lies that right wing death squads were going to come holocaust ethnic Russians.
what a fucking retard

>I know what happened there better than you! I read RT and Cred Forums!

Someone who'll design a flag for them.

>implying that isn't the case
and here I thought germans had some brains; you must be a migrant. am I right mohammad?

Are you pure ethnic Ukranian or on of the 10 million euroturkic bastards resulted from the Crimean Khanate and the Ottomans?

So that's it? You finally have 56k there?

I hope he realizes that there are much bigger geopolitical issues than ISIS. Throwing away all of your cards to just defeat ISIS is retarded.

Trump isn't a shill. I think he has investments but he is not bought (per say). Some of his advisers are defiantly though but I'm sure they are getting a visit from the FBI and others. But the thing that pisses me off the most is that the whole alternative media and right are cucking for Russia. You get people like Alex Jones and others who will sell their souls to RT and link to retarded Russian propaganda websites.

The Hawk GOP just shoots them self's in the foot when they too go full retard.

Idea that (((Kiev))) wanted to genocide someone is just retarded. It's still remarkable how there is a language debate in Ukraine, when (((Ukranian government))) recognises languages of subhumans like gypsy language, azeri language, hebrew language.

Hohol, why do you let Jews into your country when they deliberately caused the Holodomor?

youtube.com/watch?v=9ykfSphKcpg

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trump

vote to kill yourself. RUSSIA IS OUR FRIEND!

NIGGER QUEBEC

Why?

Please tell me the part that I got wrong.

This is like the second time I have seen this post.

You do realize that Russia has a higher percentage of Jews per its population

this guy looks like 90% of all russians.
You halfmongol fuck

Dugin supports Trump.
youtube.com/watch?v=aOWIoMtIvDQ

But Kiev opens the door for them to come to Uman on their New Year.

>RUSSIA IS OUR FRIEND!
So that's why you import so many Chechen asylum seekers from them. Makes sense.

Cтaття 7. Peгioнaльнi мoви aбo мoви мeншин Укpaїни

1. Пpинципи мoвнoї пoлiтики, виклaдeнi y cтaттi 5 цьoгo Зaкoнy, зacтocoвyютьcя дo вciх peгioнaльних мoв aбo мoв мeншин Укpaїни, якi вживaютьcя в мeжaх її тepитopiї.

2. У кoнтeкcтi Євpoпeйcькoї хapтiї peгioнaльних мoв aбo мoв мeншин дo peгioнaльних мoв aбo мoв мeншин Укpaїни, дo яких зacтocoвyютьcя зaхoди, cпpямoвaнi нa викopиcтaння peгioнaльних мoв aбo мoв мeншин, щo пepeдбaчeнi y цьoмy Зaкoнi, вiднeceнi мoви: pociйcькa, бiлopycькa, бoлгapcькa(!!!), вipмeнcькa(!!!), гaгayзькa, iдиш(!!!), кpимcькoтaтapcькa(!!!), мoлдaвcькa, нiмeцькa, нoвoгpeцькa, пoльcькa, poмcькa(!!!), pyмyнcькa, cлoвaцькa, yгopcькa, pycинcькa, кapaїмcькa, кpимчaцькa(!!!).

Why are you idiots so hostile to ukraine? It's like russia without the mongols and sandniggers.

A strong US with strong resolve and a strong military will promote stability especially in Eastern Europe.

And?

Jajajajajaja. Mongols were not present in Rus(in fact territory they had control over is modern day Ukraine and just a tiny fraction of European Russia), they just collected taxes. It was Mongol invasion of EUROPE, and no one in Europe has Mongolian blood.

Even if All Ukranians end up being genocided but Putin it is a better alternative to nuclear war over that shithole

Trump doesn't give a fuck about what's Russia does in Eastern Europe.

Trump is a Putin shill and Hillary will import shitskins by the millions if economy got better. The best case scenario is this. Vote Hillary and so that current government can get some weapons to hold of moskalske bydlo in the east. Find a Bandera like leader. Secretly use Western gibs medals to restart nuclear program and build at least two nukes in order to nuke Moscow and St. Petersburg if push comes to show. Do another coup and throw out current government and replace with Bandera government. Continue stock piling on nukes until have enough to cause nuclear winter. If the world complains, then say that territorial integrity was broken so nuke agreement from 1990's is invalid. At this point it will be too late like it was with no Korea and you can threaten manlet with nukes if he doesn't get his bydlo out of Ukraine.

your country is the reason we could start a ww3, jews support your country. that is all we need to know.

You don't understand, when you conquered the mongol lands, your ancestors fucked mongol women and your women fucked mongol men.
Modernday russians are the result of interracial multiculturalism.

Go fuck a dog, leaf

Mix it up, goyim! Let's make gypsy your recognised language. Hell yeaaaaah!!!! Now let's make swahili regional French language!!!! Hell yeahhhhh!!!! Tolerance!!!! Now let's make Indonesian and Chinese regional Durch language!!!!
t. euroturkic mongrel

That never happened because by the law miscegenation was prevented and by culture itself. More Ukies

Trump is only one aspect of the US government. There are still treaty obligations that he will not be able to bypass as well as advisers from the Pentagon and intelligence agencies. Not to mention there is also the congress and senate.

Why the fuck does anyone have to die over you selfish cocksuckers? NATO has troops in Poland and the Baltics that is enough to deter the Russians you cunts can fucking burn

But you have the same shit. In some of your federal regions people don't even know Russian. Like at all.

>I'm pure ethnic Ukranian, moskal! My great great grandfather never took Crimean Tatar wife I swear!

>Some of his advisers are defiantly though
>implying trump will not defer to his advisers, especially on foreign policy

to me he retarded puppet, who is being manipulated.

show me that he isn't

attribute an action to him that can be considered intelligent.

Cred Forums in a nutshell

>There are still treaty obligations
He literally said "if one of NATO members will be attacked we will look if they paid their fair share and then decide do we help them or not". That's the reason to be optimistic about him?

Yeah sure thats why half of your population looks like downies.

Your dog died or something? You sound bitter.

Well that's a pretty idiotic meme because only 0.2% of people in Ukraine are tatars.

>not a single drop of ottoman blood

She's a citizen, born here to legal immigrant parents, moved back when she was 11, fled back here again during the recent trouble with Russia

>show me that he isn't

you got me on that one. I still will never vote of Clinton. Fellow Cred Forumsocks help me out here.

Prove to me that Trump isn't Cucking/shilling for the Russians like Jill Stein is.

And 10 million of "ethnic Ukrainians" who are polluted by the Crimeqn Tatar or ottoman blood to various degree

Never said Ukrainians are any better all you east slavic fucks are half mongols.

Fuck Ukraine. Fuck Israel. Fuck Palestine. Fuck Cuba. Fuck Armenia. Fuck the African continent. Fuck every ethnic special interest group.

AMERICA FIRST

I dont really know much about russian power structure and how many jews there are. But in Ukraine its literally all jews or puppets of jews.

Difference is, those language are off conquered native tribes, there are no foreign shit like yiddish, azeri, armenian or FUCKING GYPSY. The only fucking country to recognise romaspeach in Europe is fucking Ukraine

>who are polluted by the Crimeqn Tatar or ottoman blood

source? I could just as easily say that Russians are just mongol rapebabies.

Enjoy getting raped by Chechens while your women whore themselves out in the West cuck

We are tolerant nation.

I see that all the half decent shills found a better job and quite the "troll factory".

and here you are being retarded.

tell your boss to hire better shit posters.

If you want Ukraine to be a divided NATO puppet, vote Clinton

If you want Ukraine to be a strong Russian puppet, vote Trump

Again. There was no racemixing between mongols and Russians. Ever. It was absolutely shunned. Mongols didn't occupy Rus' land. The Russians payed tax to the mongols and the mongols left them alone.
To even think that they could have influenced the cumulative genome of the untire Rus' people is A-grade retardation and wishful thinking on your part. No one in Europe does have mongol blood. It was mongol invasion of Europe, you know? Might have skipped school that day. Parts of Russia were a tax protectorate without physical presence of mongols in Russia(Area they had control over is nowadays Ukraine and tiny fraction of European Russia) itself whatsoever. As far as the taxes go, mongols controlled some Russian states, but not directly. Each Duke had to send fixed amount of money to the khan, in order for khan to let him rule. This was called yarlik. There was always one Duke who collected these money from every other and sent the whole bunch in one package to the khan. This one was given title Grand Duke. Moscow eventually managed to become warm friends with mongols and were almost always Grand Dukes. But they took over the mongol way and solved everything in violence. Novgorod was democratic Northern state, rich from trade and under Western influence. Mongols didnt get there but they paid to be on the safe side. Although Novgorod was rich, they didnt have grain and bought if from Moscow. Moscow eventually blackmailed them with the grain and got rich and big on Novgorods expense. Eventually mongols were kicked out by combined Russian army lead by Moscow.
UKIES GOT THEIR DIRTY BLOOD FROM CRIMEAN KHANATE AND OTTOMANS, PIEFKE UNTERMENSCH

youtube.com/watch?v=zgh_VryLglI

>strong
>Russian puppet
does not compute

>russian puppet
>strong

choose one fuck face.

Good day to you too, sir!

They'd be stronger as a Russian puppet than as an EU puppet.

>Ukraine
>Without mongols and niggers
Lol. There are tons of niggers, arabs, central asians, indians, vietnamese in my city. Come here for education, and many stay after. And also there are plenty of native tatars in southern regions.

Just visit it and read Madison and Pletz on it. 8-10 millions are fucking euroturkic mutts.
I hate Putin and Kiev government equally. Both are cuckolds to the Jews

Im from Ukraine. And I cant wait until the day Putin liberates us. My grandma wants to hang the Russian flag from her balcony, my dad had to stop her. Fuck you stupid hohols, fuck your maidan

They're already an Western puppet. Trump will make them a less retarded puppet. Hillary will use them as cannon fodder and possibly trigger a war. Before going to war Trump needs a few years to build a missile shield.

Then explain this.

Thats the attitude. Soon everyone will say: go fuck yourself Ukraine, nobody wants to deal with your shit.

Presidents don't support fictional countries

Vote Vladimir Putin

>cunt moved to the liberal modern western country
>loves Putin's dick
just move to Russia and enjoy Russian reality.

near kiev court

Lol. You wouldnt say that if you'd been to southern Ukraine.

Kill yourself

Give us money, we wuz europe n shit, give uz money pls

All but some are European, what did you expect in a conscription military in a nation where 21% of citizens are asian? It's like calling Kurds, Turks and Albanians roaming Berlin German.

In your dreams maybe.

Currently they're on the track to becoming a western puppet, but this has only been since Euromaidan a couple of years ago.

The Government before that was pretty neutral, made some deals with both Russia and the EU, but didn't embrace either with open arms. Then they accepted some deals with the EU that pulled them a lot closer to the west. Putin then made the Ukrainian Government an offer that beat the European one, which meant Ukraine was going to align with Russia.

Euromaidan then happened, which overthrew the Ukrainian Government and replaced it with a pro-EU one, which is pissing off Russia, who invaded Crimea, and many Eastern Ukrainians, some of whom are in rebellion. It's still uncertain which way Ukraine is going to go; the pro-Western Govt is certainly trying to pull Ukraine away from Russia's grasp, but Russia will not let it go lightly.

Clinton would likely continue the current policy which is dividing Ukraine, whereas Trump would be more inclined to improve relations with Russia and allow them to operate in Ukraine.

>implying I will waist my time trying to reason with that asshole who already doesn't give a fuckб with his only argument DON'T YOU POKE RUSSIAN BEAR
>implying Cred Forums opinion matters anywhere

Пiдy пocплю. Пpиємнoї нoчi :)

Even chechens are russians because "russians" is a construct.

>here are tons of niggers, arabs, central asians, indians, vietnamese in my city

Complete bullshit. You're trolling/shilling with a proxy

>tons of niggers, arabs and central Asians
Few hundreds that will never naturalise. boo-goo. Want a real European cuckolding? Visit Russia. 15 million central asians and 5 million chinese migrants plus native subhumans

youtube.com/watch?v=cK8Q6mKjSrE

russia spreads corruption like the plague, for russian oligarchs thrive in it.

if you read a book called why nations fail it will describe 2 types of institutions: inclusive and extractive.

that book later shows how inclusive institutions build wealth, were as extractive ones not so much.

russias institutions are extractive and in order to feed them it spreads more extractive institutions.

were as EU member states are have more or less inclusive institutions and it is in their interest to spread them for they export high end goods that are bought by wealthy individuals. so it is in the EUs interest to create more wealthy individuals who will consume goods.

same goes for the US. I like that obama said this explicitly in his speach to the UN: that it is in the USes interests to create wealthy people abroad via shit like getting rid of corruption and what not.

but then again I am speaking to a retarded british fag who voted for brexit, because he is a fucking retard who loves playing into putins hands.

Those are Russian citizens, but ethnic Russians is a well defined entity with Baltic, Finnic, Norse, Slavic ethnogenesis.

Why would I? I enjoy my life here. I suffered enough in the "free" Ukraine. A country where I can be imprisoned for expressing my opinion, where you cant do anything without bribes or connections. Where all the media is controlled. Russia is far from a perfect country, but if I was to go back, I would go Russia. Stupid hohols have no pride, its all about money. This fake patriotism that they try to push on people only works on weak minded sheep and young children.

Yes you niggers aren't fucking worth it. Implying going to war for your niggers is a legitimate opinion anywhere. Not even Hillary Clinton or the Neo-cons want that.

The West already did sanctions and gave you a fuckton of money and military training there is litteraly nothing else short of war.

nobody likes being strong armed, but you belong to the russian sphere of influence. there is no changing that. it is best to just have a friendly relationship with them. Haven't you ever played Civilization? you don't pick fights you cannot win.

>ukraine
>embracing the enrichment
>happy about maidan
>Hello CIA

fuck off asian mongrels

>New Zealand government deports you back to Ukraine
>evil Ukrainian nazi government imprisons you for 20 years for expressing your opinion on 4 chan

They are russian citizens, not russians ethnically. In russian language thats different words btw. Russian ethnically - pyccкий, citizen of russia - poccиянин.

It's cute how you try to prove your worth compared to me.

that post is for you too dirty jew rus'

And yet, you still lost and still losing

Canada we are on the same team fuckin help me saxon bro

Right.....I know you live in a 3rd world shit hole, so any country is automatically better than your own. But that doesn't mean the the EU is this perfect place where all your dreams will come true. Even if it was, you will never get there. Because you a swine, human trash. Who goes around shitting on his own people and history, a bandera lookalike. You hire foreigners to run our own country, KEK

>Saupreiß thinks that he can make such a classification

young putin was so cute~~ ^-^

You are a quarter tatar. What would you know of subhumans, when you are one yourself

>muh shills
And you are a dumb idiot, who knows shit.
Kharkov has a lot of universities, so there are many foreigners studying here.

Trump will make sure donbass is peacefully partitioned to Russia. Clinton will turn the Ukraine-Russia border into a front line in WW3. Take your pick.

You should not vote, and especially not for Hillary.

I got citizenship you nigga. They cant deport me now. Don't you see how Ukraine turned into a totalitarian shithole. And all those problems that they promised to fix, and blamed on the Russians are still present. Did Ukraine get wealthier? Do you have more freedoms? Less corruption?

Generalplan OSt was the best idea someone ever had .

Ethnic group Percentage subject to removal
Latvians 50%
Estonians 50%[14]
Czechs 50%
Russians 50–60% to be physically eliminated and another 15% to be sent to Western Siberia
Ukrainians 65%
Belarusians 75%
Poles 80–85%
Lithuanians 85%
Latgalians 100%

> Killing Poles and Balts a good idea

This faggot must be a Turk

Putin specifically avoided any action that would lead to a partition of Eastern Ukraine. My guess is that he doesn't want a 100% pro-Western rump state at Russia's border. It seems like he's playing for a stalemate.

>current policy which is dividing Ukraine,

ironically enough putins actions united most(even the east) against him. to the point where the "opposition party" cannot even say that it wants to improve ties with russia.

ukraine right now is more united than it ever was before.

this in my opinion was putins biggest blunder, for his actions caused a surge or ukrainian patriotism the likes of which we have not seen before.

haha wow. Do you remember me from another thread? Yes I am a quarter tatar. Are you one of those losers on the metro trying to beat up foreigners? You're the problem. Go start a family and get a job gopnik

our ancestors defended their women from slavs as much as from turks.

poor Latgalians

Settle pure germans everywhere. Saxonise the world and cut the anglo out of the anglo saxon.
Only germans oh yes feed me germans.

>But that doesn't mean the the EU is this perfect place where all your dreams will come true.

but alas you take what you get.

Pro-tip: Kill all katsaps.

>Euromaidan then happened, which overthrew the Ukrainian Government and replaced it with a pro-EU one

Euromaidan and the coup were both engineered by the usual Color Revolution/regime change suspects to create an illegitimate puppet state, they didn't just happen.

>pissing off Russia, who invaded Crimea, and many Eastern Ukrainians, some of whom are in rebellion

Crimea succeeded after the above, and their massive popular desire for self-determination in the wake of the coup was merely safeguarded by friendly Russian helpers :)

I have negative opinion of russian government. But fuck I hate those idiots who blame everything on russians.
Ukrainian corruption btfo russian. Its just this horrible, and it has nothing to do with russians. Ukraine wasnt a russian puppet since independence, not even during yanukovich. Yet corruption flourishes, after orange revolution nothing changed, neither after maidan. Just some cosmetic changes, which dont mean shit.

I have no need for employment as I employ people myself, untermensch. You do know that you are still an outcast for the WASP world? I hope you realise that, because you are bound to be in company of the middle class cosmopolitan bunch, and never out in the country with the white bone of NZ. Given a high chance of Peters Prime Ministership, prepare a suitcase. I did my part with street violence and kicking the shit out of untermenschen during the youth years and I'm proud of that. Now I just donate to organisations, political prisoners and nationalist pyramids.

Retype your sentence m8

Subhuman katsap logic:
"You're all a bunch of nazis! Everyone is untermensch but our glorious alcoholic race!"

Can't wait till you animals are extinct.

Untermenschen list: Balkans, Romania, Portugal, third of Ukraine, Sicilians, most South Italian, half of Greeks, non-whites. It's that simple

It absolutely was a premeditated massacre, provocateured by police agents and carried out by cold-blooded assassins hiding behind a ridiculous cover story about Molotov cocktails incinerating people in a massive stone building.

youtube.com/watch?v=H4dJRnI-X8Q

>Can't wait till you animals are extinct.
Still wont make Ukraine better, because news flash - Ukrainians are no different from that "alcoholic race".
But whatever makes you sleep better.

>implying the succession was legitimate

fucking kek

>Having plans like this when the world is choke full of shitskins
Krauts ruined everything.

Translate pls

Haхoждeниe Кpымa в cocтaвe Укpaины являлocь нaпoминaниeм o тpaгичecкoм пepиoдe coвeтoв и нeлeгитимнoй coвeтcкoй влacти.

Vote for Trump.

As much as Cred Forums likes to jerk off to Putin fighting "muh degeneracy," Putin is not a friend of the United States and his military actions are entirely for the purpose of strengthing Russia and weakening the US. He has had and advantage with Obongo who has gutted the military. Trump will build up the military again which will make the Russians think twice about challenging us. Regardless of what you think of Ukrainian politics. Ukraine is meant to be a buffer in the event of a Russia V U.S. war.

It was the will of the people of Crimea to secede from an illegitimate Ukrainian state. While it may not have complied with pre-existing agreements, it came under unprecedented and extraordinary circumstances following the coup. What's "legal" is often made up as state powers go along, and a new situation arose calling for a new framework.

"Friendship" is determined by policies and actions, not some eternal affinities or enmities, as you are making it out to be. If the United States leadership is replaced by classes without aggressive designs against Russian sovereignty and self-development, then there will be no more need for conflict between the two states.

As a very strong Trump-supporter i can only agree.
Trump would be walked over by Putin so hard if he don't start with a tough attitude.
Atm Putin is trying to shill Trump to presidency solely on the fact that Trump could stop sanctions and make Putin able to invade countries again.

>Trump could stop sanctions and make Putin able to invade countries again

Thank you for Correcting The Record, but "Russian expansionism" and "Putin invasions" are a total myth.

Oh plz Putins entire regime hinges on muh American imperialism support and tolerate my shitty corrupt regime or else Obongo will cuck you goyim. Oh look i singlehandedly fucked up relations with the West were under siege by the imperialists!

>illegitimate Ukrainian state.
the state more or less stayed in tact(which, some would argue was the problem). the only thing that happened was that our president fled and was impeached(by all the legal procedures ). same with the prime minister.

thus your argument is invalid sir.


also it was the will of the southern states to succeed from the US, did that make their attempt valid?

>was impeached(by all the legal procedures
do those include armed people wearing masks in parliament?

Kek
Vodkanigger BTFO

Soviet State was illegitimate as well as giving Crimea from Russian SSR to Ukranian SSR. How can Ukranian nationalist be anti-communist and advocate for returning Crimea at the same time? Double think much?

> implying Russians give a fuck about muh procedures

Even if they put Yanukovich's head on a spike you still can't invade and annex their territory. They understandably wanted into Europe for gibsmedats work visas and the promise that their shithole would develop which is something you would never give them

Crimea was not their territory. Giving Crimea to Ukranian SSR was yet another horrific crime of the Soveit government. You can't get into European Union when you glorify Communist crimes. It doesn't work this way.

>NATO rushing towards Russia's borders is not happening
>imperialist encirclement, infiltration and subversion are not happening
>It's Putin's fault Western regimes are attacking his country

cuck please

He was a coward and unwilling to use the necessary force to defend the legitimate state, but you cannot ignore that he fled the country under threat of personal harm amidst false flag terrorist attacks and foreign NGO funded chaos. These are not legitimate or democratic means of changing government.

Your government recognized Crimea as part of Ukraine when the USSR collapsed so you cucked yourself back then everything else is irrelevant

>Giving Crimea to Ukranian SSR was yet another horrific crime of the Soveit government

lmao, it was a bureaucratic procedure which only had technical significance at the time. It took 60 years for it to become consequential in any way.

russia has a treaty in where it recognizes the borders of ukraine with crimea in them as legitimate. so the double think is only on your part.

also your implication that I am prone to double think assumes that I agree with your assertion that the soviet union was illegitimate. you sir are putting the cart before horse.

lol

It's sad, because despite that they still have more important history than your coffee plantation of a "country".

>you still can't invade and annex their territory.
Evidently yes we can.
>and the promise that their shithole would develop
It's not about them picking EU. Nothing wrong with that. It's about hurr ebil russia death to moskals join NATO nao. Why can't these people just walk away peacefully? nope can't do that must throw stones at the bear.

Yes, but this agreement is implicitly based on the idea that the legitimate government of Ukraine is not overthrown by US-NATO terrorist shenanigans.

yes it is his fault. You can't go around disrupting order in Europe annexing shit here and there fucking with European security and white people waving missiles around and threatening war. If Putin would have remained a kleptocratic fuckhead withing his own borders none of this would be happening

Ukrainian nationalists deem Soviets illegitimate, hence Crimea as part of Ukraine is illegitimate. Anti-communist = Crimean belongs to Russia. Simple as that

Well do you prefer the current government in place, or do you want to be back into the warm embrace of putin sama?

>NATO/Atlanticist apologist lecturing others about "staying within their own borders"

top kek

which it was not, for literally all the institutions stayed in place. and all the legal procedures were in accordance with the ukrainian constitution(as far as I am aware).

daily reminder that Russia tried to join NATO post WW2 but America said fuck off, triggering the Iron Curtain.

WASTE

>Why can't these people just walk away peacefully?

Probably cause they're terrified you'll invade their country or something. Wonder why that might be?

WHAT DID HE MEAN BY THIS

You certainly can but you will remain a backwater shithole whose sole purpose is the sale of oil to Europe and you won't even have that soon. You have no relations with the West you are one percent of the global economy and sooner or later you will be destroyed, your economy is shit your industry tire is shit and you run on shitty Soviet technology. Good luck sucking China's cock senpai they have nothing but goodwill towards you and your territory.

>you russkies just keep to youselves while we organize a coup in your 45kk stronk neighboring nation. What do you mean you dislike it? it's current year!

well luckily for you I am not a nationalist.

this is one of the first pics in the article about the Soviet Union on Wikipedia
people do get the fact that modern borders of Russia is a joke. Russia is far bigger than the Russian Soviet Republic. Ever heard of phrase "the Soviet Russia", eh?

> muh coup

Tell me with a straight face that Ukranians prefer Russia over Europe

Can we all agree that everyone involved in the crisis fucked up?

Reminder that Russia and Ukraine people are not enemies. If you think they are you lost the political game.
Define "support".

trump, bc you should support russia

Why did you reply 4 times to the same post shill?

The president was forced into exile, the constitution was adulterated, previous agreements and policies and agreements were annulled, IMF guidelines were imposed, an interim government full of US State Department hand-picked flunkies was installed, and a large swaths of the country rose in open rebellion, but otherwise, you are correct, perfect continuity of government.

But the Soviet Union was a union of multiple governments similar to the USA. It'd be like if Texas never re-joined the union post Civil War and then the USA randomly decided to annex the panhandle.

Russia doesn't need shitskin subhumans within its borders. Fuck central asia, fuck tatarstan, fuck caucasus, fuck buryatia, fuck kalmykia, fuck yakutia.

>forced into exile
naw dude he fled after ordering the massacre on the maidan. my guess is that he was fearing prosecution.

>the constitution was adulterated, previous agreements and policies and agreements were annulled
as far as I know the only changes to the constitution were reverting the changes the previous president made in which he gave himself more power. so I have no problem with this.

as for policies, I honestly do not remember much of this to tell you the truth for at that point I was only paying attention to what was happening in crimea.

>IMF guidelines were imposed, an interim government full of US State Department hand-picked flunkies was installed
yes and then we had elections in which the ukrainian people chose their president. then since there was no coalition in parliment, it was disbanded in september, 2014 giving no doubt to the further legitimacy of said government.
also I am not sure how much of that procedure was as you described.


> large swaths of the country rose in open rebellion
after being incited by russia

wut

Hooray, Newfie France flag get

Nazi vs Nazi. Muh hwaite genetics

Someone needs to make slav version of this

They were going to kill him and his family if he didnt run. This is africa not europe. Turn of the state tv and open your eyes

massacre? hahaahahahahaah
you mean your own people shooting police then shooting the protesters then blaming each other. Try to throw a Molotov cocktail at a US cop, you would get shot, and for a good reason.

If it was me I would of gotten the army to disperse the crowd. And have the tanks drive through maidan. Protest != Riot

>MP.net
>RIDF spam

Then you're in the wrong place. Go back to TheMess. There are far more NATOcucks there than here. Probably /k/ too.

And to answer your question, Hillary.

Hillary

I dated a German girl once. So beautiful. The only problem was she fucked one of my friends before we met. Uzbek guy. I confronted her about. She said he looked like her ex. Her ex was a Syrian drug dealer back home who used to hit her. And the guy before him was Arab I think. I started to think the only reason Im attractive to her is because of my brown hair brown eyes look (Tatar genes). Made me a bit sad.

tltr; your women like to fuck foreigners

Tried reading a book about pre-WW1 period?

fake country

that's just a small fraction of exotic hungry women that is present in every nation. In Europe, I should say, to the lowest degree. Want to see women that really love foreign? South East Asia, East Asia and black American community is at your service.
Nazi officials were not hard on race, dump untermensch. Even such genetic garbage like you was considered human by them.