I WANT A SECOND AMMENDMENT FOR THE UK

im in my 20s you stupid cunt.

Damn, mate. Did your mum drop you on your head as a child, or do you sniff glue?

stfu norway

You can own any single action weapon as long as it has 30 cm of barrel and 60 cm of total length, that includes memes like this.

Gun club is the easiest way to get a firearms licences as you just need to go a few times a year and prepare for the storage and transportation requirements.

I would love for this to happen but really doubt it could ever happen unfortunately.

The idea I got from speaking to various people is that when the ban's were to be enforced we had a shitty gun community that wasn't unified like the NRA in the USA. We had the Clay pigeon shooters who didn't give a fuck about the proposed limitation of shotguns to a maximum of 2 Shells in the magazine. We had the sports shooters who generally didn't care that much about the proposed semi-auto rifle ban. Farmers of course didn't care that much as long as they could easily continue to own their double barrel shotguns. So almost all the other aspects of the gun community were fine with fucking over the guy who just loved shooting all different sorts of guns and the average joe that wants to own a gun to protect his family. Its a shame really.

My advice to you, is get a shotgun license! You dont have to have a reason to apply for one so the only reason they wont give you a license is if you've got certain criminal records or you've been diagnosed with depression. All you need for a shotgun license is a gun cabinet affixed to a wall in your house and your good to go. You can own pump and semi-auto shotguns but the are limited to two shells in the magazine and one in the action.

governance is a necessary evil, fuck the corrupt elite masquerading as public servants

Americans won't have any 'right' to bear arms much longer. Both of the candidates just proclaimed their intent to dispose of it in favor of a revocable privilege.

HOLD UP billy bongo

theres too many damn mudslimes now , it would hurt more than help, just get the good ole bat and bash em up

A LEE ENFIELDFOR EVERYONE.
No but really it should be. However more regulated to what we can buy. I think it should be limited to a standard set of rifles to make production easier and more affordable (Bulk buy) and these rifles should be in the 7.62 or 5.56 NATO round. This is because we already have stores of this ammunition and more could be distributed in times of invasion. Switzerland have this policy and have the lowest homicide rate in the world.

As you said, we can't trust anyone in this ever changing world and the people need to secure the right to self determination them self's.

And also inb4 Amerifags say "to bad fgt ur cucks XDXDXDXD"

I want more muslim attacks because then we will wake up sooner and throw them out. My right to own a gun shouldn't be determined by the fact that bad people misuse them.

The left covers up problems and hides them through control. In a more free society we would see precisely who the enemy was and who can't be trusted with that freedom.

The only way you bongs will ever get guns back is if you topple your current government.

Just move to burgerland, lad.

>sa80
>disgusting.jpg

allo m8 you been to india lately

oh, ooh, err

>SA80
>Disgusting
Don't be fucking retard, it works just fine now and is one of the best guns in the world.

damn dude , but ya no im progun waas just shitposting , shotguns or bolt actions at the very least should be allowed , that be nice for you guys at least

Shotguns and bolt actions are allowed Burger, you can get a good Lee-Enfield for £500 here.

impossible. once you give up your right to fire arms you can never get that right back.

>my gun jams
>bullpup
>everything is fine
>one of the best guns in the world

Lying as bad as shillary will get people killed, user.

than whats point , go buy one but shit son , thats expensive

It was the A1 that had those problems, H&K fixed all those problems that were largely down to the squaddies not cleaning them properly anyway.

You really are a thick cunt.

You need to be member of a gun club and have a safe storage space (locked cabinet), but getting a gun here is a lot easier than people make out.

>grunt rifle
>shits itself if not cleaned properly
10/10 performance.

I know that things have to be dumbed down for you Mongol rape babies, but come, ANY gun is likely to jam if you don't clean it properly.

...

You clearly have never operated an AK pattern rifle.

No, I don't want to be walking down the street and get shot by some braindead 14 year old Stormzy wannabe.

An AK is vastly different to an L85A2, and the AK is a very basic rifle designed in the 40s meant operate under any condition, whereas an L85 is relatively modern bullpup rifle designed for accuracy and urban warfare.

>Getting permission to manufacture AK's
>From the nation we're at threat from invasion

Yes and it shits itself if you don't keep it clean beyond what can honestly be expected of grunts in the field. A complete fuck-up.

Poland?

i want it too

I think they got the permissions for their rifle when they were a Soviet state.

>unsless you live in northern ireland
u-up the ra?

...

You do understand the historucal context right? People fled from Britain because they didn't like the laws there and created a country to reset and avoid he shirty laws. No kaw reform will fix the laws you have now. Nobody will recreate or change the social experiment that is the united states

Just because you're squaddies are stupid enough to not be able to clean a gun correctly, doesn't mean that ours are. At first they just tried to treat it like an SLR, which obviously is a training fault. But L85 is superior in every way to your shitty knock off AK's if cared for correctly.

>can we petition? is there anyone in govt we can support? can we write to our MPs?
You can do all those things, unfortunately it wont change anything. You never get major policy change without major public support, and you'll never get the support for this because guns never had the same culture here as they did in America

Imagine a country that's nothing like America but with the second amendment. That'd be fantastic.

Apply for statehood.

>51st State: England
>52nd State: Scotland
>53rd State: Wales
>54th State: Northern Ireland

Why are you contradicting yourself?
>It was the A1 that had those problems, H&K fixed all those problems that were largely down to the squaddies not cleaning them properly anyway.

Some info for bongs wanting to own a gun though,

1) In my experience, it's easier to get a gun in a market town, village or in the countryside than in a city.
2) Shotguns are legal as long as you have a gun safe & have them and ammo registered with police. You get a Shotgun License for them. This only applies to shotguns with 2 shot magazine, anything more requires a Firearm License
3) Pistols and revolvers are banned (anything with barrel length under 12 inches). Only pest control, police and military can own pistols (Pest control only allowed revolvers with a special permit, not allowed a G17 or USP45 etc). This is due to the 1990s Dunblane shooting.
4) Fully Automatic weapons are banned, out right. Armed Police and Military only.
5) Rifles with barrel length over 12 inches require a Firearms License. These can be of any calibre up to .50 BMG, they must be bolt action, carry a magazine of no more than 5 rounds and all ammo must be registered with police.

If you're military you can register handguns with your barracks. If you're a civilian, most gun clubs will walk you through the process.

"Self defense" is not a valid reason though, so be prepared to bullshit somewhat.

>Russia and China
>Rising tentions

You better think of Mohammed that lives next door, filthy chav. He is much more dangerous to you then Russia and China combined. Anyway, if the war will finally start, government will give you an ammo and a rifle, but who will protect your ass in times of so called 'peace'?

>He didn't read the part where I said that at first the Army just issued the new guns and didn't bother telling the squaddies how often and how much they needed to clean it, so the squaddies treated it like the SLR and it consequently would stop working.
Fucking Finns.

I really want the first amendment for Canada

The fact that people can be arrested for what they say is absolutely disgusting

>implying the first amendment is actually a thing

Tell me how exactly does that contradict anything what I've said?

You said that I had contradicted myself and I was explaining that the fault was not with the squaddies, but the Army because they weren't clear on cleaning procedures.

>Just because you're squaddies are stupid enough to not be able to clean a gun correctly, doesn't mean that ours are
You literally said your squaddies weren't able to clean the gun correctly.

im aware hes from finland retard...they get pissed off when you call them denmark or norway

obviously sarcasm aint your forte.

Because the Army didn't teach them how to you fucking mongoloid, the Army assumed that it would be just like the SLR and they wouldn't have to retrain the squaddies.

Which would you prefer

>gun vs gun
>machete vs meaty arms

And then we return to the original point of the first model being too maintenance heavy for what's to be expected of grunts in the field. Which it was.

>tfw FAMAS BTFO by the AR15 platform

I can only pray that the SAR21 meme ends before my age 40 end of service

Well that isn't true since, the late 1990s when the Army got their shit together, there have been virtually no complaints about the L85

Ha, you can't get your gun rights back after the government takes 'em. Think of the children!

Can't even shoot left handed. Absolutely shit weapon.

You a leftie then faggot?

Your government won't ever give you a second amendment. The US had very unique conditions that lead to that, conditions that the UK doesn't remotely share. Well, didn't.

The only reason we got the second amendment is because out founding fathers weren't dicks and they actually had the foresight to know they're government would slowly but surely become more authoritarian over time, so they made stopping that crawl one of the base themes of our constitution (We let them down, FYI.).

Either way, there's no way a modern government will voluntarily give you power, and there's no way Britain would have historically given you power either because of how unapologetically and comfortable they were/are with buttfucking their subjects.

>only legal if you have a government approved "good reason"
>"good reasons" include hunting (if you have all the necessary paperwork and licensing) and leisure shooting (if you are lucky enough to live near one of only a few ranges in the country and also have the money to pay the huge fees offset by massive regulatory taxes).
>must store weapons in a government approved manner, usually involving a safe bolted to the ground, aswell as a separate safe for ammo storage.
>Storage conditions are under the jurisdiction of the government and the police can do surprise inspections to make sure you are up to date with the most recent regulations.
>breach of regulations can result in a minimum of four years in prison and a lifetime firearm ban.

Yeah, if our government becomes a socialist tyranny like all those fascists say it will, we will definitely be able to rise up to defend our inalienable rights.

Yes, but before that it was shit.

No, but when you're outfitting an army you're going to seriously hamper a good percentage of your soldiers nigger.

I agreed with that so you're point is?

Any shooter worth his salt is ambidextrous with a rifle. Also, when rounding a corner you absolutely want the rifle on the side that comes into view first.

Has any Brit ever actually acquired a Barret .50 cal though? I heard I think on /k/ that it was extremely rare for anyone to get approved for that.

Just aim with your right eye or use both eyes
>tfw cross dominant on a bullpup

>grunt rifle
>shits itself if not cleaned properly
10/10 performance.

get a gun liscense it takes like 7 moths or something but you can get a lot that might surprise you, make your reason sport target shooting or something (not defense)

No it doesn't because the Army makes you learn how to shoot right handed.

Not to mention if you know anything about fighting in close quarters or from around corners you'd understand that firing ambidextrously is important.

But it is now fixed and better than you're shitty AK knock offs so you're point is?

Too bad there's such a heavy penalty involving owning an unlicensed firearm in the UK, you get just a fine and/or probation here

You guys just voted to quit being butt raped by the EU, why not? Something has to change if any of those pictures of police finding kitchen knives and bike tires as weapons are true.

Most right handers wont be able to shoot left handed and vice versa. Unless you are a left hander in the British Armed Forces that is

Can you even operate a L85 in -40 Celsius?

The one thing that would be a great start would be for simply everyone who desires a gun, to get a gun. The government will become a bit more wary of 1 million gun owners, versus like 100,000 gun owners and 900,000 people bitching on the internet that they can't get the guns they want, and so don't own guns at all. You have to have a strong gun lobby, but you have to have actual gun owners and shit, first.

Also
>shitty AK knock offs
Literally best, highest quality AK pattern rifle there is.

Yes you can, it only decreases marginally in reliability in extremely hot and dry climates.

"Armed Forces trials indicated extremely good reliability over a range of climates for various operational scenarios, though with a decline in reliability in hot, and especially hot and dry conditions" - Wikipedia

You know we train in the far North of Norway as well right?

It's still a memepup a.k.a. solution for a nonexistent problem (SBRs, better ammo with better ballistics using short barrels) that creates more problems (heavy, thicc, shit trigger, few true ambi bullpups forcing mostly right side use, pain to reload while prone, more dangerous if it KBs)

This is why you practice.

You know the UK being obsessed with banning everything that could possibly be used as a weapon is not because of the EU right?

>What is the ACE 23
>What is AK-105
>What is AK 12

I don't know about the best, the rear sight could do with some work. It's a fucking bitch to keep cleaning it for snow/mud/sand/shit, it's an impeccable range rifle if you need to shoot at 150m though. Too bad they don't make them no more.

i honestly couldn't tell if that was real or not, damn, games are starting to look photorealistic

I really hate how guns are never even mentioned in politics here at all. Nobody comments on it at all. With 650 000 gun owners and potentially many more that don't feel like going through the bullshit to own them you'd think some party would try to boost it's votes with it.

Because it has done in the past whilst other countries have not.

>Heavy
More controllable and not that much heavier than a normal rifle
>Shit trigger
I never had a problem with it
>few ambi bullpups
The Army makes you learn to shoot it right handed.
>Pain to reload while prone
Not much more than an AR15 or AK

Getting the EU cock out of their butt was a good start though. Now they have to stop being sissies toward everything that has a pointy end.

>no numbers

Sure but the EU never even had anything to do with it. That was all their choice.

Joining the EU fucked ours though

Inferior to Rk-95.

I can't find any numbers unfortunately, but I know that the Para's, Royal Marines and SAS train in the far North of Norway and Iceland where things get pretty fucking cold

The ACE 23 is probably the best AK based weapon in the world right now.

Iceland is a fucking island. It doesn't get cold.
Norway isn't always cold either.

The Galil is based on the RK62. The first ones were even manifactured with Valmet's machinery and documentation.

I guess you can enjoy that extra 1.5kg of unnecessary weight and eating brass whenever you are forced to shoot offhand

All British men do have the right to bear arms. The English Bill of Rights 1689 guaranteed this tradition to us.

>subjects who are Protestants may bear arms for their defence as permitted by law;

You don't want chavs to have guns, m8

We need to somehow convince the SJWs we need a second amendment, as counter-intuitive as it sounds, because no one listens to the "racists". I don't even think it would be hard to do because for one thing they don't mind being complete hypocrites and for another they're so easy to manipulate, hence how they fight for the establishment while being "anti-establishment".

>"Look how easily the British public were duped by the lies of the Leave campaign. That could easily happen in a GE and we could end up with someone like Farage in charge as a dictator, how could we ever fight back if we aren't armed?"
>SJWs suddenly go out of their way to get us firearms

It's glorious, if (((they))) use them to do their bidding for them then why can't we?

I don't think they would like to be called British

>Just because you're squaddies are stupid enough to not be able to clean a gun correctly, doesn't mean that ours are
Nah, famalam, I think it's a bitch to take apart and clean. Took me a fucking hour to clean 1 (one), the first time. The second time, it only took me 50 minutes.

Cleaning it properly takes fucking ages. If you clean it to a barely operable state, then sure, it'll take you ten minutes.

>Iceland isn't cold
Then where does all the ice and snow come from then?
>Norway isn't cold
-30 degrees in winter when the Army trains there.

The fact that the ACE is based on your AK doesn't mean that isn't a better gun, it took what you had and improved upon it.

Be quiet meme country, come back when your Army is worthy of recognition. That or you are a proxy fag.

Dont forget, all UK gun owners are subject to surprise inspections of their homes if they own a firearm. Just one of the many perks of living there!!

nationalreview.com/corner/390735/british-police-buy-gun-and-give-your-privacy-rights-charles-c-w-cooke

Then you should probably feel bad about being so ignorant and immature.

There's no chance, OP.

When gun rights are gone, they never come back.

The whole current establishment would have to come crashing down for that.

You will absolutely never get gun rights equivalent to the second amendment. You'd be better off just coming to the United States.

We are living in the age of mass hysteria, gun fear, "humane progress", etc., which means there's no proper ground for mass media+schools to promote self determination and personal liberty. Limited government and 2nd amendment aren't working in European political discussion, because Social Democratic past in many countries. People are simply ruined, because government indoctrination. Europe would be different if gun lobby organizations started 100 years ago, but right now there's just not single one like NRA to really stand up for rights of the citizens in European national states.

I suggest you join your local gun sport or hunting club and start networking with high ranking people in order to make pressure for change. The more people do this, the bigger it will get.

It may take 30 or 50 years to build powerful "2nd amendment movement" in Europe, but shall it be then!

>Then where does all the ice and snow come from then?
By dipping slightly below zero. It's not exactly cold.
>-30 degrees in winter when the Army trains there.
Where do they sleep? Is it night-time temperature and are they outside operating in it? Does it work in -40 and colder?

>it took what you had and improved upon it.
Copied everything, changed caliber to one more suitable in the desert. The RK is already the best AK. Galil is a copy.

Yes that's definitely the best way forward, gun's are a bit more expensive here though, for example a Mossberg 500 costs £490, you would have to pay for a license (£60) and a cabinet which varies in price. It's no reason to put people off though, you can get cheap second hand guns and if your wallet is barren people could easily buy a single barrel shotgun for below £100.

Thats lucky, I've heard that in Finland you have a huge amount of weapons left over from WW2, so perhaps thats why they only fine people.

>so perhaps thats why they only fine people.
Partially, yes. A lot of people own their fathers' and grandfathers' weaponry left from the war that are not legal. It's also firearms being quite common due to conscription and reservists.

The ACE is a different gun m8, but anyway they use Norwegian facilities there I suppose.
Watch this, it's the Royal Marines training the Yanks but it'll give you an idea.

bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b074ms6d/newsbeat-documentaries-royal-marines-fighting-in-the-freezer

>ANY gun is likely to jam if you don't clean it properly.

You can take a shit in an AK and will still fire 99% of the time.

Troops hated the A1 for years.

Well that's not going to help me protect my country from Ivan's is it nob head.

Read the ensuing argument before replying.

>BBC iPlayer only works in the UK
>Sorry, it’s due to rights issues.
>In the UK? Here’s some advice.
Finns train the Americans as well. The wankers burned down a sauna.

youtube.com/watch?v=MbjmuENPpd4
youtube.com/watch?v=AXISzLqP12U

Use a proxy m8.
>Burned a sauna
kek
Was it intentional, or accidental?

Accidental of course.

How the fuck did they manage that?

Political power tend to be cetralized in the long run. Political power, once given away to government piece by piece, wont be given back voluntarily. Temporary laws become a "new normal" etc. This is the lesson that repeats in the history quite often.

2nd amendment comes true only through powerful citizen movement that gathers dozens of thousands people in the streets demanding change. One or two pro gun MP isn't quite enough when there's hundreds of thousands of Leftist/Greens/Social Democrats/Feminists in your country with mass media's support.

There's no excuse for burning down a sauna in Finland.

You need a string of horrible acts of violence that people can't defend against.

Then you need a good publicity campaign saying that people won't allow the current administration to remain in power until they allow people to defend themselves.

You need to get a couple dozen moms whose kids were killed to demand the right to carry a gun. Crying moms always get their way.

Doesn't your country have national service? I think that would be much more effective than 2nd amendment rights for having a country able to protect itself. Don't need fat plonkers waddling around with assault rifles and white pride shirts, need people competent with a wide range of effective skills in self defence and survival.

The FDF never issued a statement, so nobody knows why it burned down. I also misremembered, it wasn't just a sauna, but actually a bigger building that included a sauna as well as living areas. The Americans lost a bunch of their personal belongings in the fire as well.

I do think this push to relax gun laws here will gather momentum in the years to come, as our politics continues to shift to the right. The whole Dunblane incident is fishy to me.

>tfw shooting a few hundred rounds at the range after work

Better than golfing desu senpai

>You can take a shit in an AK and will still fire 99% of the time.
>still perpetuating this myth

You're going to get some poor cykaboo killed.

youtube.com/watch?v=DX73uXs3xGU

>jams after one round
>inb4 goalposts get moved

>A LEE ENFIELDFOR EVERYONE.

Im okay with this. If all you bongs had enfields the price of .303 British would plummet.

Im still working my way through an assload of Greek surplus(thanks debnts), but new manufacture rounds are like 70c per. Fuck that noise.

Never invite Americans into a house with anything flammable.

You'll only get it the same way we did. You and your countrymen have to stockpile illegal weapons and then overthrow your government.

>what can we do to restore our right?
Revolution. Rights are no granted they are won.

you are retarded

Not quite true, the police can't actually enter unless they have your permission. The politest way to handle it would be to tell them that it is not convenient for you and ask them to come back later or another day, which is completley within your rights to do. I've never heard of anybody be subject to one of these inspections, then again the policeman who handles firearms licensing in my rural county is an avid hunter and a nice chap.

That isnt how it works cucks

You turn your back on responsibility and freedom and it turns on you

I hope your country remains a punished wasteland of nogunz and islam

I would like to see a service rifle that functions properly with mud inside it. The test proves nothing else than the AK having loose fits and a hole behind its selector.

Your problem is that you let the government take away your rights. This might not be a problem if you held on to your gun culture and decided to take back those rights through protest and voting at some point, but the anti-gun strategy is more complex than that.

By taking away your guns and running endless anti-gun propaganda campaigns, your government deprived multiple new generations of gun culture. They grew up without being exposed to guns EXCEPT through government anti-gun propaganda campaigns.

I see this with my friends in the US - they didn't grow up with guns, they see a gun as a scary dangerous symbol of crime and mass murder rather than as an individual tool, because they have been programmed to view them that way.

You're fucked now because your population has lost their desire for guns. Even if the government were willing to stop infringing on your rights, you'd need to start by convincing your population that they should get those rights back.

The only thing to do is wait for Jamal and Muhammad to slaughter enough innocent Brits, and bring in enough of their people, to wake the British up and remind them why arms are fundamentally part of defending one's self and people.

The A2 is absolutely fine. The only reason it's got the reputation was because of the A1.

The only time that you really get problems with the A2 is when you get a dented magazine, which inevitably gets blamed on the rifle because of its reputation.

>dented magazine
How does that affect the rifle?

>AR15 and AK47 are legal
>But only if they're chambered in .22

Nice misdirection there faggot.

Also, shotguns aren't allowed to hold more than 3 rounds.

It stops the magazine from feeding properly, and because of the A1's reputation the A2 gets the blame.

No but really should we make a parliament petition Britbongs? if they debated whether to fucking ban trump they'd have to debate this topic. Although no way it would win, it would be great to raise the issue and cause.

>immature
>best idea he had was genocide parliament.

Did you even watch your own video? He's manually cycling it and it's still firing even covered in muck.

Should just enter the 21st century and use polymer mags. Never heard of them denting.

>Except when it failed to feed WITH THE FUCKING BOLT CLOSED.

>i simply want to go to a shooting range and have them on standby incase of an invasion

you can already do that

>.22 only
Ew

We have started to transition but we have huge stockpiles of STANAG mags.

Marines already have 'em, try again Fin fag.

>subjects who are Protestants
I thought faggots hated guns.

But guns are legal here. You just have to go through background checks. A police record and somewhere to store them.
Pistols are banned in mainland UK, but legal in Northern Ireland. Scotland is the harshest. Even an air weapon is illegal there.
England and Wales are OK for gun laws.

Pic is the gun shop in my town. I own three shotguns. Americans love to say we can't own guns. Just let them think that.
It's easier than arguing with them.

Romanian shit AK though.

>just the marines
The 21st century is still waiting for you.

Protestants wrote the constitution you papist lapdog.

It effects the way the rifle feeds into the chamber.

When I was in the TA, you'd get stoppages every other round, but you change the magazine and they shoot fine. The lips on the top of steel mags would bend when they were old, and the blank firing magazines we use are old as fuck so on exercise you'd get a lot more stoppages due to old mags

Pic related, the yellow stripy magazine is for blank firing, but when firing live they use P mags, so I suspect they don't have this problem anymore.

>.22 and below
senpai

Brits know so little about the issue, they just say "Lol look at how many gun murders america has" because they lack critical thinking skills and the issue is put to bed

An AK is an AK.
I thought the argument was that all AK's were the toughest guns out there.

The whole British Armed forces uses polymer mags when deployed, but for training we still use steel blank-firing and live magazines because it's not really financially worth it to replace them.

Also, it's good to get lots of stoppages in training (due to crappy mags) so that you can get used to clearing them properly if you do get one in combat.

Yeah, soon the ARMY too. But it's a lot harder to equip 150,000 people with new mags. Rather than 30,000 which Finland currently has.

>An AK is an AK.
The AK is a pattern. There are dozens of rifles, of varying quality and fit. They are tough, the only issue is the loose fit on some of them and the hole behind the selector. It's not an issue though, considering no trained soldier will allow that amount of mud onto his rifle in non WW1 conditions.

30500 currently serving, mags for atleast 350000 troops.

You a government that respects the Magna carta.

However, the US has spat on the constitution several times, and could easily strip us of our last core rights, speech, trial by jury, and the bearing of arms.

Short term, you need to vote for anyone who makes noises about British culture, the Vanguard party and Ukip sometimes do this.

Perhaps a new, reigning monarchy would respect your rights more than the democracy in place?

kek

You're now contradicting yourself faggot.
> Ha, the L85 is crap because it stopped when not cleaned.
>It doesn't matter if an AK stops when filthy because it would never happen anyway!

Yeah but you don't need to supply reserve mags for reserves. As the majority of them wont be deployed.

Second most powerful nation in the world joining shartland? Fuck off.

>AN AK WILL FIRE EVEN IF YOU COVER IT IN ALL KINDS OF SHIT
>oh not that AK, or that one, or this one...

AK fags are the liverpool supporters of guns.

That's not a gun, that's a prop weapon the joker uses in batman movies

Except I'm talking about soot, sand, dust that naturally gathers inside the rifle. Shoveling mud inside a rifle is not the same thing as it being simply filthy.

Except our reserve is 900000. There are weapons and gear for all 350000 and more. Of varying age and quality, naturally. No point equipping a logistical company's driver with the same gear as a frontline jäger.

No, we refuse to be run by a fucking Kenyan....

But I am not an AK fag. I think I showed that here:

didn't mean to quote you me bredrin sorry

There's already a few, but there's a few problems

>No one seems to know there's petitions for it
>They're supposed to remove any petitions that are similar to not clog the process, except there's multiple petitions with things the government don't want to discuss (such as firearms) and leave them all up so they can never hit the 100,000 signatures or however many they need because no one is going to sign every single petition that's similar

You either need to pick one and push people to sign it or make your own and push people to sign it. I would wager we could hit 100,000 on Cred Forums alone.

>tfw shills deliberately sign it with proxies to destroy the democratic process because they're such proponents of democracy

And the L85A2 no longer has a problem with that. Stop chatting out of your arse you cognitively dissonant AK-loving russi boo cuck master.

You should fix your illegal spoon problem first

That's granting parliament the right to disarm subjects who are Protestants.

It's even written more plainly than the second amendment, so that there's absolutely no possible way to construct an alternative interpretation.

>No point equipping a logistical company's driver with the same gear as a frontline jäger.

What you meant to say is that your shit armed forces can't afford to equip it's drivers with the same quality weapons as frontline troops.

>He believes the memes

if you have an adequate storage facility you can already own certain weapons like shotguns

Well you don't deserve one cuck
Now back to pretending Brexit saved you

revolt brit cuck. we did.

Start with swords and the like and then move on to self defence laws. After your inevitable ethnic conflict, you can move on to guns.

Double check'd

I never said that though. A quality AK will run dirty. It will run unlubricated. It will run both in +40 celsius and -60. It is a simple firearm, easy and fast to field strip, clean and put back together. Very simple to train and maintain in the field.
It will NOT run if you shovel mud inside its receiver, but luckily that is a situation that will almost never occur to a trained soldier. You can also kick it into function if you're a moron and the bolt freezes shut.
It is simply a solid and functional firearm that can take a beating.

>the same quality weapons
Same weapon, less (no) toys on it. Any fucker can be a trucker and they're not expected to fight nearly as much as frontline troops.

This is a joke right?
If it wasn't for Cromwell you wouldn't have any rights at all and he took it by force
You've never been given anything. Even the Magna Carta was made legal by a merchant guild threatening to fuck England's economy

Ha, well, obviously I meant legally acquired one, not a terrorist acquiring one

pls not you'll get me b8 again for getting dubs

You need a special interest group with a mailing list.

If you guys don't have that, then that's where I'd start.

>I will never get to power
>I'll never adopt statism for slovakia and spreading traditionalism
>I'll never be able to make an agricultural revolution
>I'll never make shittons of factories producing high quality booze, guns and kompot, also distributing it to other countries, also creating a lot of workplaces
>I'll never be able to enslave gypsies, and/or make them work on the fields
>I'll never be able to chase out jewish companies especially the car factories.
>I'll never take these companies in the name of the state the moment they have shady deeds and prove that they are not trustworthy

fug

IIRC I think the Germans manufactured British weapons under license in WW1 right? If anything it should be looked at as an interesting thing that nations at war can still respect intellectual property.

Before Dunblane, Brits could have all sorts of neat guns, yet what you say didn't really happen. Though I suppose that if you are a Paki, it might happen.

Do you really want your muslims to have guns too?

As a felon I know how you feel.

Im totally behind this idea- having being shooting at a range in Vegas, I ave been non-stop bantering to my mates that we should have much wider gun ownership here.

I do think we should push for it. We can expect a few knockbacks, but keep pushing. And the yanks are correct- it is a right that has been taken away from us, and governments are good at taking rights away, but no good at giving them back.

Naaw, it's just like the limitations on yelling fire. Watch lists will become public with this move

Which weapons? the Germans produced maxims machine gun but that was because it was property of Maxim. Not the British government. And you have to remember MG's would have been at a massive increase in tech, it would have been like Russia not developing their own nukes in the post war. The AK is not the pinnacle of modern assault rifles.

Not to disrespect GB, but Russia is definitely more than a Regional Power. See them fucking shit up in Syria. They most definitely have force projection capabilities.

Let me just make a little aside to say:

>Dunblane: now that was a peculiar thing

100 year D notice? WTF?

I might have been thinking of the Maxim. Now that I think about it, the Brits had the Vickers, so yeah but still, obviously Yanks got involved in the war, and the Germans were still paying the licensing/royalites on a weapon to an enemy, who designed it.

But yeah, I see your point about it being different due to being the pinnacle of tech at the time.

They are reliant on Assad and Iran for logistics though, they have very few overseas bases and they're navy is bluewater.

You want to hear about people getting shot EVERY FUCKING DAY on the news?
I'm not talking about national news either, this is your average run of the mill 6'o'clock local affiliate. How about driving down the street and seeing a bunch of candles on the sidewalk that weren't there the night before?

It's non stop.

It never ENDS.

Is this what you want you stupid fuck?

If only it were that easy

The question is, would a parliamentary debate be beneficial to the cause or not? We all know the general sentiment within parliament is anti offensive weapon in general, never mind firearms. Is it worth bringing this to their attention and risking further clamp down on the availability of legal firearms, or just to jump through the hoops, join a local rifle/shotgun club and be one of the few people that own one, safe in the knowledge that most won't put the effort in to actually get their hands on one?

Here's a live petition to repeal the firearms acts of 97 and 88, everybody be sure to sign

petition.parliament.uk/archived/petitions/44376

Only 84 replies before bump limit, and you decide to try to derail the thread with shit bait now? lmao faggot

I'm sure he'd love to hear about niggers and muslims shooting eachother, to be honest.

cant have gun m8 its dangerous m8
best leave it 2 those that kno

Nice hypotheticals

Yeah because that's the case in Switzerland, right? oh wait no. They have the lowest homicide rate IN THE WORLD. Dumb American monkeys are the problem, not guns.

Dont be dumb, bin that gun

I'm sorry britbro I feel for you, but once a government takes gun rights away, they never give it back.

Move to Arizona or New Hampshire

The gun club route is a good one if you live in a nice burgh- unfortunately I live in a bad post code, and I think I would be very unlikely to get a license living here.

In that regard, it is an aspect of the class war: guns are basically legal for the middle classes and above. Orwell was right.

>The only reason we got the second amendment is because out founding fathers weren't dicks and they actually had the foresight to know they're government would slowly but surely become more authoritarian over time, so they made stopping that crawl one of the base themes of our constitution (We let them down, FYI.).

This is actually some interesting thought here and I will do my own research on it, but I'm just curious, for anyone that can indulge me; how were gun laws in the UK at the time of the American Revolution? Obviously the technology was different, but you still had some form of handguns, which have always been a far more contentious issue than rifles for the most part - have gun rights in the UK just always gone in the one direction (i.e. stripped down) over time, or have they gone back and forth throughout history?

>bullpup

lol

sorry lads not live at all

Blue water is good for a navy, brown water is the insult you're looking for. Also, Russia has never really tried to compete as a navy, they realized that NATO was going to win there, so they focused on SSBNs.

As far as relying on other countries for logi support? Do you think the US doesnt? Thats the entire reason that Turkey is still in NATO, logistics.

GB has its shit together moreso than most of europe, but Russia aint nothin to fuck with. Even if they arent Cold War levels of terrifying.

It would defiantly gain traction and notoriety. My biggest argument for it is Switzerland. Switzerland are the most based and logical when it comes to firearms, they should be what all nations gun culture's and legislation should aspire to be like.

You aren't swiss
You're a shit tier anglo with anglo customs and an anglo mind, just like the ones we have here

>handguns are not legal
Why ? Even in France there are legal
>if you are lucky enough to live near one of only a few ranges in the country and also have the money to pay the huge fees offset by massive regulatory taxes
Is it true ? There are a lot of shooting ranges in France, the fees are pretty low (~100€/year to get the licence and be part of a club)

That's m4 you moron

Do it like the Americans did. Shoot it out with the British Empire until they lose the political will to continue back home and then set up your own government. You'll never be more free than you will be on day one, so make it count because after that you have battle back the authoritarian creep of the self perpetuating beauracratic apparatus that is government.

I know that it really isn't a good idea to fuck with the Russians, but I think I'm right in saying the UK is the only country other than the US that could sustain a protracted war thousands of miles from home on it's own. (e.g Falkland War). Yeah I fucked with blue water, I meant coastal sorry.

No a lot of the gun crime in America is done by niggers. And the others are done by Irish heritage hicks who have a mind of their own. And as i'm aware a massive population of the US is of German heritage if i'm correct? and in fact Irish and English heritage is second for white Americans?

>a few hundred rounds
It must be expensive, even if you're shooting .22lr

As long as it has the support of MPs it would be brilliant, and I'd welcome an initiative like the Swiss. Perhaps worth canvassing MPs to ensure the support is there before pushing for a debate however? As before there's no good getting it debated if it would be shot down and potentially increase controls.

Ah unlucky. I forget about areas like that, I have to admit. I live in a shithole, but there's still easily accessible countryside nearby, so it's not too much of an issue for me. That said, it might be worth making enquiries anyways as I know a handful of guys who've been able to get a license even in what you'd typically think of as areas that wouldn't allow it (and known people who weren't allowed in better/more suitable/more rural postcodes)

remind me s the Swiss situation with regard to firearms?

No we lost because France blocked off our troops, shooting your 'guerrillas' in open warfare was a fuckin Turkey shoot. As we saw at the Battle of Bladensburg later in 1814, American Militias are no match for British soldiers. But as we've seen at Crecy the English peasant Militia destroyed the most elite army in Europe.

Buy a illegal gun and dont tell nobody you have one.

A law has no legitimacy if theres no precedent in the tradition.

Start a movement about it, start a petition online spread it everywhere be the leader the current events are trying to teach us all to be

>Alot of shit I don't know about happens in ______ and I'm just going to rant about it even though I've never been there before in my life

>In fact I'm going to start using different people and places I know nothing about to prove my point

This is called talking out of your ass

Why haven't you killed yourself?

That is a good point. But who? we'd need at least ONE from each main party. UKIP is the obvious choice, if i'm correct they want to bring back handguns? but UKIP is still slandered by the public as bullshit like racists. And then the BNP are seen as right out a joke, and anything left of the Lib-Dems would never support it.

It is a requirement for Swiss people to own firearms. And they are taught in schools from young ages about things such as safety and marksmen ship.

Yeah I actually live in Scotland, so despite being in a city the countryside is close.

It a current topic of conversation here, because even air rifle are going to be licensed from next year. I think I may get one and put it on a friends license, and he can keep it in his locked box in the leafy suburbs.

Though everybody is irritated by the license requirements, it may be a a blessing in disguise, because an air gun license would probably be a good mid-way step to the full license.

Also lets not forget Dunblane itself is middle class a s fuck.

Alright if we can't talk about other peoples nation, go fuck your self and get of this thread. Isn't there a Walmart that needs sharting in? or a white town that needs burnt by niggers?

Thought that was it- based.

Do they also have any form of national service?

Revolution I guess

we'd lose the queen though.

Keep the Queen and storm parliament. Liz is going nowhere mate.

You can't have a Second Amendment without having a First Amendment.

She'd probably support us lad.

Not at all.
Just change the whole government and keep the Queen, she will not have much power to do anything.

Or behead the Queen and put someone from the old Stuart's kings lineage in the throne

It was a gun-grabbing hoax, like Sandy Hook and Port Arthur. Their is no lie so low that the traitor media won't report it as true.

Worked for us, rot-teeth.

>And at last, the tin foil hat appears!

Back in 1700s shart-in-marter.

Yes.

again, implying the US has the first amendment.

Apart from that. We Anglo's are a warrior race. We love to fight, my Grandfather said he enjoyed the war (WW2, Gloucestershire reg then then Parachute reg) is just one example. The only reason soldiers now encounter so much PTSD is because of those fucked Malaria pills, and also because of the pussyfication of schools (Rugby/boxing barley practiced because of boo boo's :,( ) so it should be the right of every Anglo to own a weapon designated for modern combat.

This.

The entire problem is that the government does not acknowledge self-defence as an individual right. Instead it is enforced as a collective right provided and regulated by the government.

You guys won't get anywhere until that changes. Good luck.

Also, you guys can fuck off if you think you can move here. We left for a reason.

This

>god given right right to bear arms.

> This
I used a number of Czech Vz.58's, SKS's / AK74, as well as the NATO M4 pattern rifles - I can tell you that a short stroke gas piston in the AK pattern rifles is a much safer bet.

I've even had the opportunity to use the HK remakes of the L85, still junk - although it had nice Canadian Elcan optics.

nice digits.