Christians BTFO

No but plenty of Athiests have killed millions in the absence of a religious belief.

>Pol Pot
>Stalin
>Mao
>Kim family

Atheism is degenerate and invented by Jews. Just like Christianity.

If you are white you should be pagan. Your ancestors were pagan, not christcucks or gaytheists. Fact.

The Jews invented Christianity to destroy the white race and separate us from our native religion which was a religion that focused on life, reality and nature. They replaced it with an anti-nature, anti-life religion that forgoes the real world and teaches you to focus on a mystical garden in the sky.

Christianity was just a transitional phase to weaken us. Atheism is the death blow. Atheism is just Christianity without God. Still celebrating weakness, still rejecting life. But they accept that there is no garden in the sky. So not only does life not matter, nothing matters. Pure nihilism. Life is meaningless. Don't reproduce. Have no standards of personal conduct. Worship death.

Stalin thought religion was backwards and wanted to get rid of it. He destroyed many churches and killed thousands of priests trying to achieve this.

Does he literally have to say "Im killing you all in the name of atheism!" for it to count?

This is beyond retarded. The jews tried to destroy Christianity. Also, your precious pagan greek gods originated in Babylon (semetic) as a form of ancestor worship.

They just play games and pretend that being killed for communism is not the same even though it basically is since they spoke at length about their hatred of religion.

Atheism shares at least some of the guilt for all the millions of people who were aborted.

Hitler thought Judaism was backwards and wanted to get rid of it. He destroyed many synagogues and killed millions of Jews trying to achieve this.

Does he literally have to say "Im killing you all in the name of Christianity!" for it to count?

More like evolution created us different

So the league of militant atheists during the USSR is a fairy tale? The whole killing the religious because people were scared of "fairy tales" never took place. The more you know.

>Christianity was just a transitional phase to weaken us. Atheism is the death blow. Atheism is just Christianity without God. Still celebrating weakness, still rejecting life. But they accept that there is no garden in the sky. So not only does life not matter, nothing matters. Pure nihilism. Life is meaningless. Don't reproduce. Have no standards of personal conduct. Worship death.

Where did all that projection come from? Just because you can't find/create meaning in a life without God doesn't mean every atheist is an edgy commie cunt.

Im the spanish civil war the athiest communists murdered catholic priests

That's why atheism sucks

It's time to start

I despise Islam and view it as the most barbaric of all religions to exist. I am also an Atheist. I recognize that Christianity, while guilty of much hatred and stupidity, is much less dangerous than a religion like Islam, that is founded on violence and death.

You really don't understand atheism, do you? Atheists are usually the main proponents in favor of natural selection, they don't celebrate weakness. Atheists don't reject life, they take advantage of the short time we have on Earth, life is actually meaningful in contrast with wasting your entire life preparing for the sky garden which you don't even know exists.

>OP forgets that atheist leaders who wanted to squash religion to have control over the masses killed millions

OP is mentally retarded high school kid.

this

I'm not advocating against religion. I'm not an Atheist. I'm just trying to see what's out there before this thread gets pruned.
He doesn't need to say those words, but he wasn't killing in the name of Atheism the same way Islamists kill in the name of Islam or Jews in Judaism etc. Communism =/= Atheism.

michaelsherlockauthor.wordpress.com/2014/10/21/the-atheist-atrocities-fallacy-hitler-stalin-pol-pot-in-memory-of-christopher-hitchens/

Interesting read.

>People taking something useful and twisting it toward their own political purposes in order to control people, giving people a false perception of the original, pure version

Almost sounds like the Catholic Church pre-Protestantism. It's almost as if belief systems being corrupted for political purposes isn't unique to atheism.

Is this the new D&C strategy you've received from the higher ups?

Reminder communists kill in the name of atheism

I never said it was unique

But it just goes to show how Athiesm isn't above slaughtering others in pursuit of an ideal.

Humans are prone to expoit and be exploited, with or without religion. In contemporary history, Athiesm doesn't have a good humanities track record it believes itself to have.

Killing priests and religious people because you want to eliminate all religion is literally killing in the name of atheism you idiot

Could you provide evidence that he was killing in the name of Atheism and not Communism or rather what stood in Communism's way?

No one has killed in the name of Kek. ATHIESTS BTFO.

Also isn't atheiam technically a religion itself?

>Also isn't atheiam technically a religion itself?
Please stop this meme, atheism is literally irreligion

And Christians have killed millions in the presence of religious belief

>Taiping rebellion
>Nazi Germany

Stalin, hitler, polpot. Nuff said.

Though they didnt do it in the name of athiesm, they were "godless"

>evolution
>equality

wew

Killing religious people to eliminate religion from your country. That is killing in the name of atheism. The goal is to have an atheist country, so you target the religious. That is literally killing for atheism

>jews invented Christianity
What the?

Someone failed at theology.

The goal wasn't to eliminate religion and establish an Atheist state.

And all it takes is a banana up the ass. It works, I swear!

Still doesn't tally up to the killcount Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot have under their belt.

Yes it literally was. Stalin specifically targeted the religious because he wanted an atheist state. That was the entire point of him targeting priests

I guess all those burned churches were just a mishap.

>Not killing in the name of not believing in something

Stalin wasn't anti religion. In fact he was very respectful of the Jewish population.

Stalin merely hated Bolsheviks

If atheism is so great then why is so much power concentrated in the religious belief system promoted by the people on this list:

thezog.info/list-summaries/

Also, if you want to know how the people on this list got to be where they are, start reading at page 12 in this book:

jrbooksonline.com/PDF_Books/jewishsupremacism.pdf

>Stalin wasn't anti religion.
>12 million christians targeted for their religion

Communism is inherently atheistic. Marx viewed religiom as the "opiate of the masses" and an obstacle to be destroyed in establishing worldwide communist """"utopia"""". Stalin wasn't killing in the name of Atheism, capital A-ism, but he was sure as fuck killing in the name of an atheistic ideology.

You're essential saying something along the lines of "Well, that guy wasn't killing in the name of Islam, he was doing it because of Mohammed."

>Hitler
>godless
pick one

>S...stop this meme, t...they are totally different except when I want them to be the same

The Taiping rebellion killed from 20 million, all the way up to 100 million. The Nazis killed over 11 million in the holocaust alone, with several millions more killed during the war. These are quite high numbers.

Didn't some white athiest kill a bunch of old black church goers because he hated religion and black people?

20+ million Christians murdered in the USSR specifically because of their religion. Buddhists persecuted in communist countries across east Asia. Atheism was arguably the most deadly religion in the 20th century. You may not agree with communism but there is no denying that they murdered in the name of atheism.

>Taiping rebellion has a kill count of 20-30 million according to most sources
>Nazi Germany killed up to 11 million

Mao killed 45 million from the Great Leap Forward (into a ravine) alone. The magnitude isn't even in the same league

Not true. That wasn't the goal of a communist state. Nor his, even when he did become a lot more sympathetic towards religion after WW2.

I'm not denying that he was an Atheist. That wasn't the goal of Stalin though - the guy in power.

...

So much goal post shifting.

Just fuck off. You were BTFO ages ago.

saged

>>Taiping rebellion has a kill count of 20-30 million according to most sources

Your point? Sources go all the way up to 60, 70 and even 100 million. Chinese sources regularly cite around 60 million. It would be self-serving to choose the lowest estimate possible.

>>Nazi Germany killed up to 11 million

In the holocaust alone. This is without counting the millions killed during the war, which go over 20 million.

When did I shift the goal post?
I'm asking for instances on when people killed in the name of Atheism specifically.
I'm not preaching against religion here.
>I'm going to sage your thread because it made me angry
Go shag a sheep if this offends you, you sensitive faggot.

Mao.

All right, my friend. I'm going to respond to you one last time, benefit of the doubt, assuming you're just underinformed and not being purposefully dumb. Here is a link

google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union&ved=0ahUKEwiNrtm9k7HPAhUBhiYKHaWCBSMQFggeMAA&usg=AFQjCNGnw-mcwTvGpTwLU6H0KN-uXG87Sg

Spells out that "militant atheism" was an express policy of the USSR.

>specifically targeting religious people to try and eliminate them and have a fully atheist state
>this isn't in the name of atheist
You're an idiot. You are plain and simple, a fucking idiot

Biggest problem that has come from reduction in Christianity/increase of Atheism is a faith/ideology vacuum, which Islam seeks to fill (and is somewhat succeeding in Europe)

Otherwise, on the personal nonmeta level, I think faith should be just that. A personal choice. I know I was an atheist for awhile, but I decided to become a bit Christian to help me with having a foundation and stronger sense of purpose. I know not everybody needs religion, and that's fine. It just personally benefits me to have one, and I'd ask Atheists to respect that, in the agreement that I don't project theology on you. I think a basic religion could help many people but I think pushing it on people would make me a hypocrite. Since I wish for my basic faith to be respected, I too must respect a choice of another rational person to not have that basic faith. Cause at the end of the day whether you believe or don't is going to be a personal choice.

Not true atheism.

Neither was Mao, Pol Pot, or any other atheists that killed even a single person.

Because atheism absolutely forbids killing, it is the most important thing about atheism. You cannot even kill a single microbe and still be an atheist.

PROVE ME WRONG

Protip: potato

>Judeo christendom and modern christendom spawned at the time a little brother through occidentalism
>It turns out to be a homocidal maniac
Wat do?

Secularism on the streets, religion in the sheets.

Exactly. It should be our own private business imo, as long as we're not fucking with each other or others

I'm not being purposefully dumb. I'd like to just get a good argument for it. Again I'm not an Atheist.
I'm just looking for examples similar to that of Islamic murder: killing people that do things against their religious beliefs. I understand the Communists attacked religious institutions but it's not clear that it was done so because it went against Atheism, but instead a threat Communism itself - they'd attack any institute that's a threat religious or not. Maybe my English is coming through great here.

Yeah well you're obviously not comprehending what I'm saying.

Literally a foundational precept of our glorious republic. Why were the Founding Fathers not immortal primarchs?

This was done in the name of Comunism, which is just against any ideology that is not itself, including religions.

>citing "Muslim"

You're thinking of agnostics. Literal cucks, every last one of them.

Nobody does anything good in name of atheism, either. The argument is retarded, as atheism is spiritual anarchy.

>s, but he wasn't killing in the name of Atheism the

So killing priests and burning churches was done in the name of.....?

That's like a vegan killing people who own slaughter houses, but conveniently not in the name of veganism.

And get the blog shit out of here, faggot.

You've been provided evidence of 'atheism' resulting in millions dead, and you literally resort to 'muh not real atheism' meme

kys

proudly saged again

Didn't tens of millions die in the name of atheism last century? A core tenant of Marxism is atheism after all.

>war
>rebellion
Atheism kills casually during normal periods.

>the Nazi Germany
>11 gorillion
>holocaust

(((You)))

Also, why is always a jungle obongo the one making this JIDF threads?

RIP founding fathers

>they are rolling in their graves
>mfw waiting for them to return in spooky ghost form to drive out the traitors and degenerates

I don't know how to explain to you further that Atheism is an inherent part of Communism, just like Christianity was an inherent part of the Spanish Inquisition.

Was every person oppressed or murdered by Stalinist Russia done so in the express name of atheism? No, plenty were killed for being czarists or not towing the party line. But the clergy and faithful who were killed because of their Christianity WERE KILLED because of the militant atheism inherent in the Soviet ideology, so I'm not sure what distinction there is to make. If you somehow removed the atheist bent from Societ policy, they wouldn't have been treated that way. The atheist bent existed, thus they were killed or oppressed. How is that not to be laid on atheism?

They want a cop out where they can maintain a sense of superiority morally - despite having no basis for it.

I hate this era.

Not an argument.
It was the Christians who started the Taiping rebellion.

>So killing priests and burning churches was done in the name of.....?
Communism, a political ideology.

No I haven't. I've been provided with evidence of Communism resulting in the millions of deaths.
Continue crying though.

Except the 75 millino or sp that militant atheists like Stalin Mao and Pol Pot killed in the name of godless communism, of course.

This is the fundamental and supremely irritating heart of debating any issue today; the fact that no matter what everything has to be treated as if a moral high ground needs to be gained.

KYS

>Communism, a political ideology.

Uh huh. And the Catholics killed people during the Spanish Inquisition for to maintain political power, right?

>Not an argument.
How come? Murder is just a policy to atheists. I bet you are pro-choice as well. (but don't necessarily believe that humans have a choice at all).
>It was the Christians who started the Taiping rebellion.
..and?

A political ideology expressly influenced by atheistic doctrine that resulted in a state sponsored policy of repression a d destruction of religion, including the killing of religious leaders.

I don't know how you guys think but I see atheism as a tool of the jews

...

The two really aren't mutually exclusive. As a vast majority weren't atheists either. It was targeting any institution (or person) that stood in it's way and their goal wasn't to establish an atheist state. I know exactly what you're trying to say, Marx's atheist influence on the foundations -- but when came into practice this wasn't a goal. People were allowed to still believe and practice religion. Hitler also targeted religious institutes, but his movement wasn't of Atheism, just eliminating those that threatened his political movement.

I'm not an Atheist. I'm looking to learn as much as I can on this. I don't see a problem with asking questions -- questioning everything. I'd prefer to be one ahead of the Atheists on this topic.

Communism is, by definition, atheist.
I mean, this is serious damage control.

(saged again)

The Russians and Chinese killed many, one of their goals was to turn everyone into atheists.

reminder that you are an idiot, communism killed in the name of the interests of the proletariat.

>Hitler also targeted religious institutes,

So killing Jews and destroying Synagogues was done in the name of National Socialism, not anti-antisemitism?

>communism killed in the name of the interests of the proletariat.

I guess they starved millions of the proletariat in the interest of the proletariat as well?

>Soviet Marxist-Leninism policy consistently advocated the control, suppression, and the elimination of religious beliefs, and actively encouraged atheism during its implementation in the Soviet Union.

>The state was committed to the destruction of religion, and destroyed churches, mosques and temples, ridiculed, harassed, incarcerated and executed religious leaders, flooded the schools and media with atheistic teachings, and generally promoted atheism as the truth that society should accept.

So, Atheism was a poor, victimized tool of the Soviet machine. Very convenient that actions taken in the name of something don't count towards the tally of acts taken in its name.

Someone forgot Stalin and Mao again ...

>Atheism is degenerate and invented by Jews

as if the idea that idiotic middle-eastern superstitions are idiotic had to be invented.

Communism is authoritarian. As in, stomp out any factors that interfere with authority. Like religion.

I don't know where this meme comes from that communism = atheism but it's absolutely retarded. It's like saying Columbus killed those natives because of Christianity, not because he was a money-hungry douche

>what is the USSR
And no don't give me that bullshit argument. There were people literally slaughtered for being religious. t. atheist

>implying there was a plannificated genocide

>2016
>believing the jewish lies

which tenet of atheism requires one to kill?

Thank you, there is an analogy like I was looking for.

>as if the idea that idiotic middle-eastern superstitions are idiotic had to be invented.

Atheism was around long before Christianity and Islam, retard.

How about all the families that have suffered because without traditional values, and the boogeyman on the sky to keep people "good"-ish at least within their capacity, society has gone to shit.

How about the overall state of decay in society.

The greatest achievements of mankind were made under traditional societies that respected some form of faith, and had strong family structures.

The greatest decay we see today happens as a result of atheism.

Humans can be smart, but the masses are stupid, they need their religion.

>christians BTFO
>jews BTFO
>muslims BTFO
>Cred Forums BTFO

>I don't see a problem with asking questions.

>How come?

A murder is a murder. It literally makes no difference whether it occurs in peacetime or in a war you yourself started and instigated. Not to mention the Nazis, who were overwhelmingly Christians, had genocide as an explicit policy of their regime.

>..and?

And thus they are to blame for the deaths caused by th rebellion. Not a hard concept to understand.

Nothing, because it is literally lack of a belief, and not just any belief but a specific belief.

Communism killed more atheists than Christians. It's especially funny to see people here try to mental hoop their way around communism suppressing Buddhism, an atheistic religion.

>I don't know where this meme comes from that communism = atheism

it is a minor characteristic of communism, as communism stands in opposition to church-supported social systems. the american idiocy identifying the two comes from mccarthy-era brainwashing, though, which made atheism the defining characteristic of the soviets.

>muh no true atheism

Except in this case, you're right. Athiesm has but one tenet: believe there isn't a God. Well, in that case, it is a totally nebulous entity and on what grounds can you disqualify Soviet Russia from being atheist?

Dawkins 20 years ago:
Christianity is evil and stupid. We must vanquish it!

Dawkins today:
Christianity isn't that bad after all! Christians never bombed anyone recently. I consider myself a cultural Christian!

Nice try, Dawkins, you fucking douche fag.

>If you are white you should be pagan. Your ancestors were pagan
This pathetic claim with no basis in reality. I wonder if it is yet another over the pond multibillion pound...
>sees flag
I was right. Stop putting truth on sale.
>I don't like this tradition
>let me buy another
The first Swedish Christian kings even wrote on their Runic language, you dolt. Our ancestors converted to Christianity, willingly and not.

What does "paganism" entail to you? It means slavery and raids, if you look for traditions that don't live today. In regards to truth it speaks an alien language, no longer relevant after monotheism spread. Greek philosophy managed to kill most of it.
Every pagan hated the gods they had in the Germanic tradition... They simply sought power and protection from them.

if you argue with me, then you agree with the post I dissed, namely that jews invented atheism.

I finally figured it out.

Dawkins is a crypto-kike

when he says things like "No-one killed in the name of atheism" he is covering for the Jews. Who have atheism as their religion, and kill entire societies of people slowly.

He knows. He will never name the Jew. He is the Jew.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes

Communist regimes have murdered something like 100 million people.

This isn't a shitpost or an exaggeration.

Atheistic leftist governments have murdered 100 million people.

I'm not religious myself, but any argument that religious groups or governments have killed more people than atheistic ones is completely incorrect.

>it is a minor characteristic of communism, as communism stands in opposition to church-supported social systems.

That would be all well and good if atheist regimes didn't go out of their way to slaughter people of religious faith and destroy churches.

Same way Nazi's got stuck with the anti-Semitic label based on the actions of their regime.

Only Muslims react violently when you mock their religion.

You can literally say the same thing for Christianity and that religious leaders and politicians use it as an excuse to gain power.

I don't think anyone "invented" atheism. It was an evolved social construct.

No it isn't. And you can sage (like I have now) it honestly doesn't bother me, it's just a thread. But if it really offends you then at least I got that.

Was talking about the Catholics, Christians institutes, people.

There goal was not create an Atheist state and they were not killing in the name of Atheism. It was to remove religious influence away for the political structure of the country. Removing it's power which stood in the way of Communism not Atheism. The two aren't mutually exclusive though especially not in those times.

>There were people literally slaughtered for being religious

brainwashed you are. the entire population was religious and much of it still is. how would you select those to be killed?

commies killed religious leaders for being leaders and killed members of small sects for being seen as subversive. they did not kill people for merely being religious.

>t. atheist
a lie.

It's not really something that requires a single inventor to say, "I don't believe in God."

>atheism enables islam
Atheism is the only thing that can destroy Islam.

Judaism, Christianity and Islam have been at each other for 1500 years but they got fuck-all to show for it. No, in fact Islam is growing like a fucking weed.

If everyone is atheist, the Abrahamic religions die out like the greek and roman mythlogy

The entire goal of Hitler's Nazi Germany was the destruction of the Jewish race, or at least their removal from Europe. Whatever way you look at it the Jews were the primary focus.

"Atheist regimes" did not target religion exclusively, because there is no such thing as a regime built on atheism. It was built on communism. As in, it targeted people who were believed to be undesirable to the proletariat. Christians, Muslims, Buddhists (an atheistic religion), homosexuals, criminals, political dissenters.

It is a fool's strategy to conflate the primary purpose of communism as one that seeks to wipe out theists.

>There goal was not create an Atheist state
Yes it was. Until the massive losses and lack of morale in their troops showed that religion is a necessary part of any successful society.

>infantile flesh tributes
>sex lives destroyed
>gonzo or bust
>misogyny
>traps
>dike holding back homosex concupiscence cracking...

godtards are worth every penny for the keks they provide...!

It was an express goal to create a state that was Communist and Atheist. Expressly stated.

The Taiping rebellion alone rivals communist regimes in death toll.

>Was talking about the Catholics, Christians institutes, people.

Hate to break it to you, but Judaism falls under the umbrella of "religion".

Why do atheists try to weasel out of everything. Ask any Christian/Muslim/Jewish person and they will flat out admit that their belief system has caused bad things to happen in the past and sometimes present.

Ask an atheist the same question and they freak out and do tons of verbal gymnastics.

>the USSR was officially atheist
>millions of Christians were slaughtered for their beliefs
>the state violently suppressed religion
>lol this isn't an example of atheists oppressing people :^)
I'm just not intellectually dishonest.

Are there really people here who are unironically religious and not just pretending to be out of contrarianism? Hat pic all you want but Christian and Islamic belief systems are obviously not true. Jesus was not the son of God, and Muhammad obviously didn't speak to angels. Come on m8.

>Reminder communists kill in the name of atheism

No they used atheism as a tool to root out the corruptive corrosion of mind control religion

>He claims to be red pilled
>Is religious

>If everyone is atheist, the Abrahamic religions die out like the greek and roman mythlogy
And civilization dies like Greek and Roman ones...
>Babylon
>Persia
>Sumeria
>Egypt
What do you have to offer? Aside from euphoric fantasies, that is. Simply, a new memetic collection would take over.

>That would be all well and good if atheist regimes didn't go out of their way to slaughter people of religious faith and destroy churches.

they didn't, though; believing this is a typically american delusion. they were hell-bent upon destroying the power of the churches and taming them, but they did not care about ordinary believers going to church etc. I was ostracized by my peers in school in the seventies in romania for not being religious, that's how much religion was suppressed.

>Judaism, Christianity and Islam have been at each other for 1500 years but they got fuck-all to show for it

The western world could kill every single inhabitant of islamic nations, but do not do so out of a moral code that disallows this.

If the places were switched, a technologically superior islamic world would have already been bombing and killing technologically limited christian and jewish nations in a massive genocide.

>Atheism is the only thing that can destroy Islam.
lol what a load of shit
They are killing the atheist in their countries and intimidating the ones in the countries they move too

Remember Theo?

>cut
Somebody is a heretic.

>millions of Christians were slaughtered for their beliefs

this is false.

Debunked. You fell for a lie because you're the useful tool

I'm Christian and haven't killed anyone.

Atheists BTFO

FPBP.

>Simply, a new memetic collection would take over.
Oh, and the new one would be state sponsored, enforced and spread via viral media.

lolno; the most secular European countries are the ones most cucked by Islam.

>Stalin wasn't really that bad!!
books.google.com/books?id=LBv_K9Q0Z6gC&printsec=frontcover&hl=en&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q="Estimates of the total number all Christian martyrs in the former Soviet Union are about 12 million"&f=false

If Atheism is so great why didn't Atheistzilla save Tokyo from Rodan but Godzilla did?

Checkmate faggot

>corruptive corrosion of mind control religion
And use violence to control the minds to fit a political ideology...

None of those civilizations were atheist or were affected by atheism in any conceivable way. They were actually polytheist.

>they didn't, though; believing this is a typically american delusion. they were hell-bent upon destroying the power of the churches and taming them, but they did not care about ordinary believers going to church etc.

They obviously didn't care about them, so they killed them.

You're fucking nuts. Name me an incident where a religious organization slaughtered some atheists and I will use your same weaseling tactics. "They didn't do it in the name of Chrisitianity!" "They didn't kill all the atheists so obviously they weren't doing it because they were atheists!", etc.

>is a faith/ideology vacuum,
Well it could have been the ass-raping sodomizing priests or the atheists.

So you're going with what, the atheists?

Different user, but I thought the question at hand is "is atheism culpable throughout history as a motivator for people to kill," and the answer is "yes."

You don't have to lay every death in a communist regime at the altar of atheism for it to be a "yes." But it is undeniable that a subsection of those repressed, disenfranchised, and murdered under communist regimes were done so for no reason other than that they were theists.

"But it wasn't because of atheism! They were a threat to _____ regime!"

And that conflict and threat, for a subsection, arose from the militant atheism inherent whatever communist regime it was. The onus is not on the threatitude of those murdered, but on the aspect of Communist ideology that perceived them as a threat: Atheism.

Try "Communism".

Killed more people than both of the world wars.

Atheism BTFO!

"Taiping Rebellion began in the southwestern province of Guangxi when local officials launched a campaign of persecution against a Christian sect known as the God Worshipping Society led by Hong Xiuquan"

The Manchu people who made up the Qing dynasty were mostly non-religious.

I don't know which side of this issue you're on, but you're strengthening the "non-religious people are #1 at mass murder" side.

>None of those civilizations were atheist
They all lost their religions.
>just discard a necessary part of a society - for my ideological or egoistical reasoning
>it'll be alright

>the state violently suppressed religion

this is false, too. they suppressed and finally took under control religious organizations. the churches were full on sundays, no proble,. understand that as an american you have been brainwashed into thinking this bullshit. mainstream soviet communism tried to pretend it does not care. it was some fringe regimes in opposition to soviets who tried to outlaw religion, albania, cambodia, can't think of more (nk does not outlaw religion).

Uh TbH fami the image you used in your original post implies that no one deserves death, which is very untrue.
Fucking atheist cucks smH

And that's deliberate killing, and not counting deaths from planning incompetence and massive preventable accidents and Commie safety standards.

If this is an original statement, you deserve a medal.

How do I upboat your post? XD

>"Atheist regimes" did not target religion exclusively,

So what? They still killed religious people for the sole reason that they were religious. Why else would they need to kill a bunch of fucking backwater peasants?

>because there is no such thing as a regime built on atheism.
That's like saying the Vatican is technically it's own country first and not built on the foundation of religion at all.

> As in, it targeted people who were believed to be undesirable to the proletariat.
So religious people were deemed undesirable by the proletariat, killed, and to you this was not done in the name of atheism, which is the direct opposite or religion? Holy crap, you're a fucking tard.

>Well it could have been the ass-raping sodomizing priests or the atheists.
Confirmed pedotarget. You are not the center of the Universe, sweetheart. Sodomy is rare in priests, and the other denominations avoid it altogether by not forcing celibacy on priests.

Wow, this is some amazing revisionist history you have going on here.

Yes, the USSR violently went after the church and slaughtered many clergyman. It was officially atheist. This is a fact of history and not disputable.

confirmed truth bomb that changes the game

dawkins is a cryptokike

spread it.

I'm an athiest, and no, I don't believe every man is created equal.

I wish. Actually a rehash from a Cred Forums theism thread from like 7 years ago

You clearly didn't even read any more than a single paragraph.
Read the whole article.

Hint: it was Hong Xiuquan and his God Worshipping Society who were responsible for the conflict and famines.

>this is false, too. they suppressed and finally took under control religious organizations. the churches were full on sundays, no proble,. understand that as an american you have been brainwashed into thinking this bullshit.

So America brainwashed the entire fucking world (except the shithole of Hungary) that the Soviets weren't the supernice guys you say they were.

Jesus fucking Christ.

As I said it's to help me build an argument.
Which I'll have to be doing in Uni in about an hour.
So far you're the only that provided me with something to work with, but it's been tried and it doesn't stand as it's a political ideology and that Communism was not going to establish an atheist state.
I'll try work with what you've provided, but I know it's not enough.

>Judaism, Christianity and Islam have been at each other for 1500 years but they got fuck-all to show for it.

Uh what? Europe and the USA only prospered because of Judeo-Christian values and its deeply religious history and your dumb ass certainly wouldn't be alive today without them.

If you're an atheist, you literally have no basis for believing all people equal, unless you're uninformed or straight retarded.

...

your retardation enables islam

Most atheists are liberal for whatever reason, so they believe it anyway.

>Actually a rehash from a Cred Forums theism thread from like 7 years ago

7 years ago might as well be 1,000 years ago for atheists. Since then they've had fedora, euphoria, their insane political policies leading to the muslim invasion of Europe, atheism vs new atheism vs atheism+, and failed rallies in which no one attend and rapes still happen.

You guys fucked this up real fast.

Google criticism of atheism on Wikipedia.

Hey look, you provided zero citations and zero facts.

You are wrong by default.

(((jesus))) and (((the apostles))) were literally all jews. Jews have had different schemes thought the eons

That was implicit in "uninformed or straight retarded."

Gulags in Russia. Tons killed for not being atheists.

Atheists BTFO

>Yes, the USSR violently went after the church and slaughtered many clergyman. It was officially atheist. This is a fact of history and not disputable.
Russia was a religious monarchy. The church coronates the king, it literally chooses who is God's vicar on Earth.

The Russian orthodox church was so corrupt, it participated in the exploitation and abuse of the serfs by the boyars and kulaks.

That's why the peasants didn't come to the defense of the clergy when Stalin punished them.

Stalin attended seminary school. He was a priest-in-training. He knew the church was a threat to his rule and he was right. Atheism was just a tool like you.

Trust me, I know how degenerate it is.
This is specifically on people killing in the name of Atheism unfortunately -- and purely that. Thanks anyways

>liberal for whatever reason
Maybe it's because they've been tricked into believing that morality is subjective?
>hurr fa durrf fukken jews and christbros and muslims are all actually jewish hurrrrrrrrrr

How about all those Orthodox priests in Russia?

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>1,000 years ago
True as internet time increases at least 20 times faster compared to actual time

It was originally an atheist joke ripping on Christians but it can easily be flipped around

Your country has existed for only a couple centuries. All of its existence it was Christian, until the -60s or so.
Who built USA? Was it ancient European pagans?

>paganism

Lel worshipping a dead religion. The pure, unadulterated faith of the Aryans is already thriving.

Meanwhile the fucking Pope is taking in refugees and apologizing for the Crusades while plenty of athiests are going after Islam for being a threat.

>"is atheism culpable throughout history as a motivator for people to kill," and the answer is "yes."

Of course it is yes. People have killed for virtually every motivation you can think of. Entire battles were fought over strips of land no bigger than your neighborhood.

>But it is undeniable that a subsection of those repressed, disenfranchised, and murdered under communist regimes were done so for no reason other than that they were theists.

That is true, but that is not what we are arguing here. Entire subsections of people murdered were done so because they were intellectual, or because they were politically undesirable; or because people THOUGHT they were politically undesirable. What we are arguing here is the belief that the reason behind communists willing to murder was caused by a lack of a belief in God, or that killing theists is the primary goal of communism, which it is not.

>And that conflict and threat, for a subsection, arose from the militant atheism inherent whatever communist regime it was. The onus is not on the threatitude of those murdered, but on the aspect of Communist ideology that perceived them as a threat: Atheism.

Again, atheism is not a belief which is inherent in anything. It is a lack of a belief. It is a reactionary symptom rather than a cause.

Marx's own writings on the subject of religion:
>Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions

Religion as a whole (not all religions are theistic by the way) was seen as both an obstacle to the proletariat and a way for them to cope with the suffering of the world. It is not something that he advocated removing completely.

Notice I said religion, and not theism. You seem to imply that theism is the primary religious obstacle to communism, and therefore an inherent threat.

Atheism is an ideology and an ideology cannot be a "tool" in the same sense that an individual can be, i.e. a pawn without culpability like you are implying. It can be a tool to motivate people to do something, like killing people who worship God. And that is how it was used in Communist regimes.

our country was founded by deists to be an areligious republic founded on reason and logic not superstition

>Atheism was just a tool
Oh please not this bullshit again. By this logic, I could claim that "Islam was just a tool" too.

The communist regime was explicitly atheist and against the church because they threatened their power. I don't give a shit about how mean the Orthodox church may have been, that's not my point. My point is that it is well documented in history that people were slaughtered and oppressed for being religious. Yes, people were killed for being religious. End of story.

To the luxury gulag with this one.

>Dawkins

Another kike apologist, like most mainstream "atheists". Atheism holds all the emptiness and treachery as Jewry without the theology, I'd take an Islamic society over an (((atheist))) one.

The US is still majority christian; by a lot.

Read the article you yourself posted you disingenuous fuck. The Qing dynasty was the legitimate government of China, and the Christians rose against it during the Jintian Uprising, which started the rebellion that costed millions of deaths, causing widespread famine.

The illegitimate Taiping Heavenly Kingdom was a fucking disaster.

>What we are arguing here is the belief that the reason behind communists willing to murder was caused by a lack of a belief in God
Moving the goalpost. USSR enforced atheism because of its ideology that was strictly atheist.
Your atheism simply lacks that ideology.

> Not true atheism.
No true Scotsman much?

> atheism absolutely forbids killing
Yes, your non-religion with no dogma or texts on which everyone bases their non-faith off of mandates not killing people. K.

>our country was founded by deists
Largely correct.
>to be an irreligious republic
Multiple takes on that.
>founded on reason and logic not superstition
Do you really believe that?

its the kind of weak christiany where they go to church on chistmas and easter if at all. Literally 90% of milenials are non religious its ogre

>areligious
>what is one nation under god
>what is endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights
>what are laws of nature and nature's God

>Europe and the USA only prospered because of Judeo-Christian values and its deeply religious history
Is that why Europe is mostly secular today?

You're in deep denial. The Declaration of Independence committed blasphemy to eschew the divine authority of the church of England and its monarch. The founders established a secular liberal democracy that rejected the made-up Anglican gods and demons.

I nation under god was added in the 50s due to cold war hysteria

>mfw my "Catholic" professor was a Bern victim

>Literally 90% of milenials are non religious its ogre

Do you have any idea how many people are raised Christian, give it up during high school and college to be edgy, only to come back later?

And you basing religious beliefs on whether or not they go to Church regularly is insane. I love the Jets but haven't been to a game in years.

Do you know how many atheists support mass immigration of muslims/refugees though? (Genuine question, because I do not know either. What if we used Sweden as a model?)

Can you say that your personal views are universal amongst all atheists?

None of them lost their religions. You don't lose an entire civilization because of a loss of religion. That would mean Romans converting to Christianity ended the Roman empire.

Try constructing an argument first.

>Why else would they need to kill a bunch of fucking backwater peasants?
Sometimes they only needed suspicion of political dissidence, not actual proof. Are people that are atheist but still killed under the suspicion they are Christian, still counted as martyrs?

>That's like saying the Vatican is technically it's own country first and not built on the foundation of religion at all.
The chicken-and-egg argument has no bearing here. Atheism is not a belief upon which to build a nation; it is simply a lack of a particular belief that there is no God. You cannot plant a tree by not giving it water.

>religious people were deemed undesirable by the proletariat, killed, and to you this was not done in the name of atheism, which is the direct opposite or religion? Holy crap, you're a fucking tard.

Atheism is the lack of a belief in God. Atheism is not the lack of religion. Do yourself a favor and differentiate those before you attempt to call names.

I guess that makes us atheist now, start up the abortion machine buds, lets get this degeneracy started.

Its fascinating how both of you retards post animeshit in defense of the Jewnited States.

>Is that why Europe is mostly secular today?

Christianity built Europe to greatness. Secularism is letting the Muslim hordes invade with zero resistance.

>Atheism is an ideology
You made up your phony religions, now you're making that up too.

>like killing people who worship God.
As opposed to what, the millions your kind killed to please your bloodthirsty gods?

It's really not that bad. People usually go back when they get older. The silent generation wasn't actually that religious either. The vast majority of the US still believes in God and shit like heaven and hell.

The White Race built Europe to greatness, their religion was completely irrelevant in the matter, they would've had the same magnificent achievements had they all converted to Islam early on.

tfw practicing catholicfag and newman club member fishing for (you)s

Every now and then something makes me realize what an awesome time we live in. A Chilean getting mad at an American about the legitimacy of ancient Chinese dynasties. Kewl.

>Is that why Europe is mostly secular today?
French revolution freed kikes and made people arbitrary and largely against monarchies. Although not at once everywhere. Russian revolution had kikes in power - they failed elsewhere, mostly.
Then we have the world wars.
60s generation (boomers) is essentially full of niggers - fatherless communists with a sole goal of revolting against everything. "War is evil. Patriarchy is evil. Capitalism is evil." etc.

This might literally be the lowest quality bait I've seen in months.

>The communist regime was explicitly atheist and against the church because they threatened their power.

Right. It wasnt because they clergy believed in gods, it was because the church was a political threat.

At least Stalin was smart enough to know that one religion can't ever beat another religion. Only atheism can beat islam and you know it

>catholic
>with the pope of [CURRENT YEAR]
How do you do it, user?

>Sometimes they only needed suspicion of political dissidence, not actual proof.

You're making big assumptions here. "They weren't killed because they were religious, but for other uknown reasons!"

>The chicken-and-egg argument has no bearing here.
This isn't a chicken and the egg argument, stupid. I threw your stupid mental gymnastics against you and you have no answer.

>Atheism is not a belief upon which to build a nation
Sure you can. In theory you can build a nation based on anything. MLP fags can't build a nation based on how awesome they thing MLP is.

>Atheism is the lack of a belief in God. Atheism is not the lack of religion. Do yourself a favor and differentiate those before you attempt to call names.
More mental gymnastics. Atheism is the lack of belief in God, but you can't have religion (in our traditional sense) without God. You're a fucking scheming moron and it's no wonder it took you 20 minutes to reply with this crap.

I'm not Christian, kike, and if I was I certainly wouldn't be Catholic.

>My point is that it is well documented in history that people were slaughtered and oppressed for being religious.

The dissenters who wanted to commit sedition were Stalin's targets.

>had they all converted to Islam early on.
Hell no. Islam allows for polygamy and incest which is a terrible family structure. It would have gone to hell. Christianity was great because it forced monogamy.

>Only atheism can beat islam and you know it
>

>The White Race built Europe to greatness, their religion was completely irrelevant in the matter, they would've had the same magnificent achievements had they all converted to Islam early on.

So are you saying that same white race is destroying it right now by letting in the Muslim hordes unopposed?

What changed? How could past generations of white build it up, only for the current generation of whites to destroy?

There's only one thing that differentiates the current from the old: CHRISTIANITY.

Atheism fixed this.

>I think not believing in a god means you can't believe in anything else.
And you're calling me retarded?

Bullshit. The church was a political threat BECAUSE it was religious. Religion is a powerful force that can united and move people. The commies were explicitly atheist because they wanted people to only have devotion to the state not God. That is why religion was targeted. By its very nature, it was a threat.

You cannot fully "enforce" atheism upon a person, because religious beliefs can still be practiced in private. The USSR "enforced" atheism much the same way it "enforced" punishment against every other act of political dissidence.

I'm just shooting down your stupid nonsense.

"HER DERR XTIANITY WILL BE DEAD SOON BECAUSE MILLENIALS DON'T INTO CHURCH!"

Meanwhile the same shit was said in the 1960's (the famous Time magazine cover said "God is Dead") but Christianity is still going strong.

>No one killed in the name of atheism

Didn't Maoist China and Stalinist Russia kill a bunch of people for the sake of building a secular communist state?

I'm an atheist btw.

>At least Stalin was smart enough to know that one religion can't ever beat another religion.
>one religion can't ever beat another religion
Another implication with no basis in reality. Why do you need to lie.

So what did Christianity do to the local wildlife religions in Europe? What did Islam do to Zoroastrianism?

This is masturbatory historic revisionism, and also futile and empty - I wish that there was a pre christian European pagan philosophy, but there isn't one. There is no pagan belief system born of the West which is not a product of 20th century new age gibberish.

I listened to Among Amarth when I was in high school too, user. Eventually though you're going to be forced to face that beyond "angry at Jesus" there is nothing of substance or meaning for anyone in all entire cultural tumor.

>You cannot fully "enforce" atheism upon a person
>because religious beliefs can still be practiced in private.
Islam couldn't forcibly convert Christians because they could be Christians in secret? Atheism is not perfect, it isn't true and it certainly isn't needed.

I don't know you, but I know you.

>Oh please not this bullshit again.
You religious idiots started the bullshit, we're just cleaning up your bloody mess.

European Monarchs and nobles were all inbred mongrels anyway, I don't think religion would play too much into it.

There's only one group of people letting in non-whites to Europe right now, and it sure as hell isn't white. That particular disease why acquired relatively recently. If the Ottoman Turks had succeeded in their conquest of Europe, Islam would've been gradually integrated into European culture and society over time, just as Christianity was. In both cases, the religion in question was inconsequential.

Let me tell you a story.
>be me
>be in primary school
>school invites a Christian nun over to talk about god (even though its a public school but whatever)
>Talk to nun
>Convinces me that there is a higher power
>Go on believing in god up until high school.
>Go to a Catholic school
>Go to religious studies class (Mandatory mind you)
>Read bible
>no longer believe in anything

>European Monarchs and nobles were all inbred mongrels anyway
During early medieval, yes. Afterwards, they stopped their Egyptian practices and got fresh blood in.

>There's only one group of people letting in non-whites to Europe right now, and it sure as hell isn't white.

So you're saying Jews? Last time I checked Merkel isn't Jewish (and spare me the herr derr she's controlled by Jews).

I don't know who the leaders of France are offhand, but I'd guess they're not Jewish (nor are they controlled by Jews either)

The fact of the matter is that religion brings people together, but it also keeps them at a distance. Secularism bring people together, and gets everyone real close. That's why the Muslim invasion is happening.

>You're making big assumptions here. "They weren't killed because they were religious, but for other uknown reasons!"

Your main claim is that people were killed because they believed in God, outright, without any other explanation. I offered another explanation and you throw a non-argument my way. I already told you people were killed because they didn't believe in God the same way they were killed because they were political dissidents. You seem to argue people were killed for being religious, thus communism as a whole ideology is atheistic; it's main purpose is atheism.

>This isn't a chicken and the egg argument, stupid. I threw your stupid mental gymnastics against you and you have no answer.

What came before, the atheist principles or the communist principles? You threw nothing against me other than a retarded simile.

>Sure you can. In theory you can build a nation based on anything. MLP fags can't build a nation based on how awesome they thing MLP is.

You cannot build a nation based on a lack of a specific belief. I don't know why this is not registering to you. I keep trying to tell you that atheism is reactionary, as in it is literally the absence of believing in something. You cannot build an atheist nation without theism, otherwise it would not exist and have no purpose in the world. Much in the same way you cannot build an anti-MLP nation without basing it on some other belief, like the fact that MLP exists. Why is this not registering to you?

>More mental gymnastics. Atheism is the lack of belief in God, but you can't have religion (in our traditional sense) without God. You're a fucking scheming moron and it's no wonder it took you 20 minutes to reply with this crap.

You can have religion without God. Buddhism is an example. Jainism is another example. There are many religions without God.

>in our traditional sense
And what, pray tell, is the traditional sense? Abrahamic beliefs? Do you think Abrahamic religion is the only religion?

>Christianity built Europe to greatness.
No that was the Romans. They built the roads and made people get along at spearpoint.

>Secularism is letting the Muslim hordes invade with zero resistance.
Jews=Christians=Muslims. You're all a fucking risk.

>we're just cleaning up your bloody mess
By not having children, you will fix the world... By promoting pro-choice, you will fix the world.
>atheism is just a tantrum against families and authority

That story is as boring as the rest of the citizens of your country.

They still race-mixed across countries. The current British royal family has more Slavic and Sub-Alpine blood than British.

>No that was the Romans. They built the roads and made people get along at spearpoint.
Small Europe you have there. Rome made Mediterranean great, including North Africa, where they did the same thing.
>Jews=Christians=Muslims.
Blatant lie. Not that you'd care - or have to care, as lying is ok in atheist dogma.
>You're all a fucking risk.
To what?

I'm an atheist actually.

>European Monarchs and nobles were all inbred mongrels anyway
The vast majority weren't. Yes, there's some cases, but there were a shitload of aristocratic families in Europe and marrying from foreign rich families was very common as well.

Believe me, you vastly underestimate the important cultural dynamics from Christianity and Islam. One of Islam's biggest failings is its family structure; it's atrocious. To build a great society, you need the best individuals. To accomplish this, the nuclear family (one father, one mother) is by far the most successful. Islam lets men have multiple wives and decadent families. This leaves a lot of disenfranchised men who have no incentive to do better as well as kids who are raised in a terrible environment.

And of course, there's the easiest problem: incest. Cousin marriage is by far the most common in the arab world and it has been that way for centuries. Incest lowers IQ and increases birth defects. Doing that will seriously fuck up your gene pool. So no, Islam will never be as great as Christianity at establishing a flourishing society.

>They still race-mixed across countries. The current British royal family has more Slavic and Sub-Alpine blood than British.
Maybe race-mixing is not as bad as Cred Forums claims it to be...

>He wasn't killing in the name of Atheism

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE DID YOU FUCKING GHOUL. DAMN RIGHT I MAD.

>>Read bible
>>no longer believe in anything
this so fucking much
I started to get religious and then I had to start studying the bible in higher theology classes at my private college and that shit just turns you off to it so much

i'll take the soviet union for 200 alex

>and spare me the herr derr she's controlled by Jews

But she fucking is, you retard, she grew up in East Germany, she's had kike indoctrination from the start. You don't get to lead a Major European political party without pledging loyalty to Judea first.

>Bullshit. The church was a political threat BECAUSE it was religious
No, it was a threat because it could coronate a new king to replace Stalin.

"Soviet law never officially outlawed the holding of religious views, and the various Soviet Constitutions always guaranteed the right to believe."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union

>Islam couldn't forcibly convert Christians because they could be Christians in secret?

Again, it's a belief. Islam can force a way of life onto you but it cannot force your beliefs. You can still practice Christianity in secret, much like the many Yazidi Christians who are under the control of ISIS.

>Atheism is not perfect, it isn't true and it certainly isn't needed.
That is your opinion, of course. But it has no bearing on this argument.

>Why do you need to lie.
You're mistaken. We reject your lies. The atheists are the people who don't fall for lies.

>No, it was a threat because it could coronate a new king to replace Stalin.
You are in denial. That thing played a factor, too, of course. Things don't exist in a vacuum.
>"Soviet law never officially outlawed the holding of religious views, and the various Soviet Constitutions always guaranteed the right to believe."
US constitution gave human rights to everybody. It says so!

>Again, it's a belief.
It is a meme. If every pepe image was death sentence, and there was no Internet, what do you think would happen?
>you can't convert to atheism
Except Christianity forbids denying your faith. Islam and judaism allow lying about your faith and intentions.

HOLY SHIT

THE FUCK IT WASN'T

SOMEONE BUY A PLANE TICKET AND SLAP THIS FAGGOT IN THE MOUTH.

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>Your main claim is that people were killed because they believed in God, outright, without any other explanation

Let me explain so your feeble brain can understand.
>communists come to power
>they're beliefs include being atheist, being against capitalism, being against any political party that is against them
>kill religious people. kill capitalists. purge opposing political parties.

The religious people were killed because they were religious (sure, some might have fallen under the capitalist/political category, but as I said, how many backwater peasants in Russia were strong capitalists with political power?)

>What came before, the atheist principles or the communist principles? You threw nothing against me other than a retarded simile.
Irrelevant what came first. Irrelevant what's more significant. Religious leaders were killed because they were religious.

>You cannot build a nation based on a lack of a specific belief.
Sure you can. Atheism is one of the tenets of communism and they build up nations around it. This is just more verbal gymnastics from you.

>Much in the same way you cannot build an anti-MLP nation without basing it on some other belief, like the fact that MLP exists.
Uh, Russia had a monarchy based on religion, then they became communist based on atheism.

>You can have religion without God. Buddhism is an example. Jainism is another example. There are many religions without God.
That's why I said (in our traditional sense), retard. The monarchies of Europe and Russia weren't into Buddhism or other Asian religious philosophies too much.

>And what, pray tell, is the traditional sense? Abrahamic beliefs? Do you think Abrahamic religion is the only religion?
Replying after the fact? Christ. Yeah, Abrahamic is what I meant (for the most part). And when did I say it was the only religion, dummy? I said the odds of the Soviets having beliefs in that is slim to none.

Does Christianity not believe in redemption and atoning for sins?

Polygamy never would've caught on in Europe, even if it was Islamic, European society looked down on it before Christianity. It's an Eastern practice that's a far overestimated tenet of Islam. As for incest, Islam never condones nor condemns it, its another aspect that has more to do with Arabs themselves than their religion. Incest (cousin and cousin) isn't all that uncommon in Europe, either.

>no one killed in the name of Atheism
what do you call the Soviet Union then?

It does. But to deny faith means you deny salvation and that forgiveness.

Atheists will debate religion with you until they have no choice but to insult your intelligence.

Religiousfags will insult you for questioning their religion until they have no choice but to blow you to hell.

This is the problem. You can't prove me wrong, no matter how "happy" and full of love you think you are.

>communism based on Atheism

You can take a good look at the founders and biggest proponents of Communism and figure out they weren't atheists.

>kike indoctrination

So she's not Jewish, not controlled by Jews, but she was educated/indoctrinated by Jewish beliefs (one of the most important of which is secularism).

Thanks for proving me right. Christian countries wouldn't be taking in these refugees (same way Israel isn't, same way America isn't).

Atheists believe life sprang forth from essentially nothing. I have to say that, that is quite unreasonable.

But communism requires atheism. At least from the stupid goyim.

I keep hearing on Cred Forums about how there are so many atheists out there being degenerate but I just can't see it.

It seems like the religious essentially have this conformation bias where they see people acting how they don't like ("degenerate") and instantly assume they're non-religious. Then they go on to say that atheists love Islam and hate Christianity. You really can't turn yourself into any more of a victim than that.

What seems to be the case is that there are plenty of stupid people that are buying into modern, progressive trends while maintaining their religious and superstitious beliefs. When some African is adopted by white parents it's a christian trying to show how holier they are than thou, when raging feminists in colleges demand people respect muslims they're coming from a position of believing that religion should be taken seriously and that they wouldn't like it if someone were to mock them for their retarded beliefs.

Atheism is and always has been the boogeyman to all religions.

most of the people who shoot up elementary schools/movie theaters are edgelord white nu-male atheists desu.

We're talking about the Soviet communists (Stalin, Lenin, Trotsky) and their beliefs (which was atheist) and their actions (which was killing religious people).

What is it with atheists and their mental fucking gymnastics? As if you don't look stupid enough will all your fedora pics and euphoria quotes.

>lumping Hinduism in with the Abrahamics

Sure, kike.

I got dumped by a girl on bumble (Fucking bible belt here) because I didn't reply to her drunk crazy text "Do you believe in God and Jesus Christ?" fast enough. Relevant context - we'd been hanging out and fucking and all that romantic shit for about 2 months by this point. I thought this bitch was about to chug a bottle of asprin and reply "b/c ima bout to visit them" and go into crisis but she was just cray cray. For real though, first time I've been fucking judged for not being a mindless "FUCK YES I LOVE FUCKING JEZUZ SOOO MUCH FUKIN YES" and now I'm just pissed off. Either way, that bitch was crazy and I should be grateful to just have been grazed by that bullet. Have fun being 30 and single yo.

>not killing in the name of Atheism

mfw i'm the most retarded post in this thread

Bro, when trying to bang any cute chick, just say whatever they have to hear.

Communism requires Jewry masquerading as atheism, just as all atheism does.

>Stalin, Lenin, Trotsky

All Jews, just as all political atheists tend to be. They preach secularism but their allegience is in plain sight. And I myself am far from an atheist.

take it

>they're beliefs include being atheist
Their beliefs included the basic tenet of the Communist manifesto; political control of the country to the proletariat. Atheism is not a doctrine built into communism no matter how much you think it is. Go read the Manifesto for yourself if you don't believe me. Go read the Soviet constitution that guaranteed the right to believe . And, after all is said and done, go and tell me how targeting religious people because they practiced religion, not because religion was seen as a subversive POLITICAL, NOT MORAL OR SOCIAL element, is the militant atheism of which you seem to think all communism is based on.

It is like you think they went into everybody's house and asked them to prove they were not religious, then rounded up everybody who admitted it.

Also
>how many backwater peasants in Russia were strong capitalists with political power?
Do you honestly believe they only targeted capitalists with money or political power? They had sons and daughters tell on their mothers for reading books. Fucking books.

>Irrelevant what came first. Irrelevant what's more significant. Religious leaders were killed because they were religious.

Oh, now you backtrack and say the Vatican example you came up with earlier had no significance. Nice. Talk about mental hoops.

>Sure you can. Atheism is one of the tenets of communism and they build up nations around it

Read above

>That's why I said (in our traditional sense), retard. The monarchies of Europe and Russia weren't into Buddhism or other Asian religious philosophies too much.

What about Communist China? Cambodia? North Korea? What about the large Buddhist communities in south-eastern USSR?

>All Jews

Stalin wasn't Jewish, and Lenin was raised Christian (I think).

>not being a based peaceful muslim master race and trying to bring the peaceful messages of submission and pedophilia to the world

Cool story, bro. How was your day, today? Do anything fun? Have any interesting experiences?

Was today better than yesterday?

>lumping kikes with Abrahamism
What a kike thing to do. Good thing we have Jesus saying it how it is.

> But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
> Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
>Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
>Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
>Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

>implying Hinduism is a real religion

Hinduism isn't even organized, and they essentially only believe in a creator (nature) and karma. Google what religion means, you terd.

>ending a sentence with fact

One drop Jewish makes you all Jewish, in my book. Lenin was a kike and Stalin was a probable one, if not a confirmed one.

It's been drilled into you a couple of times in this thread already that atheism is not a principal belief nor a cause of communism but you still deny it. Multiple times proof has been offered to you that Communist did not target religious people on any other ground other than suspicion of political dissidence, and you still cling to this idea that they built Communism on an idea of not believing in God, as if that was its (im)moral purpose and social construct.

I wonder if, at this point, you are just averting your eyes to any other posts and going "la-la-la-la".

>Atheism is not a doctrine built into communism no matter how much you think it is.

This is fucking pathetic right now. "Communism begins where atheism begins" - Karl Marx.

Just because it's not fucking written in stone doesn't mean it's not there. You're a fucking mental patient if this is your argument.

>And, after all is said and done, go and tell me how targeting religious people because they practiced religion, not because religion was seen as a subversive POLITICAL, NOT MORAL OR SOCIAL element, is the militant atheism of which you seem to think all communism is based on.
Ok, fine. Anytime a Christian denomination killed atheists it was for political, moral or social reasons. I guess Catholics are off the hook for the Inquisition, right?

>Oh, now you backtrack and say the Vatican example you came up with earlier had no significance.
This really went over your head. OF COURSE MY VATICAN EXAMPLE HAD NO SIGNIFICANCE! I was making fun of your mental gymnastics by showing you how I can use mental gymnastics as well.

>What about Communist China? Cambodia? North Korea? What about the large Buddhist communities in south-eastern USSR?
We're talking about the USSR here. And I said it was slim that the USSR practiced these religions. The major beliefs were Orthodox Christianity, no belief, Judaism (and probably other Christian denominations).

>noone killed in the name of atheism
>what is communism

>At the end of bash atheism day, 16 more dissidents were sent to the gulag and 23 more were summarily executed

>Stalin was a probable one

No he wasn't. He was 100% gentile.

Figureheads tend to be goyim to fool simpletons. The first soviet politburo was 80%+ jewish.
youtube.com/watch?v=X1yON7-6VK8
youtube.com/watch?v=-pDtgWUtdUM

Of course, most jews are atheistical. It goes in nature with their self-serving beliefs.

>He wasn't killing in the name of Atheism.

I don't know how you're not this retarded. Communism is an explicitly atheistic ideology.

>I guess Catholics are off the hook for the Inquisition, right?
They are, because the inquisition was moral.

>It's been drilled into you a couple of times in this thread already that atheism is not a principal belief nor a cause of communism but you still deny it.

I never said it was a cause, but it is a principal belief.

>Multiple times proof has been offered to you that Communist did not target religious people on any other ground other than suspicion of political dissidence
Ok, fine. So I guess the Catholics are not guilty of their crimes during the Inquisition because they tortured and killed people for political reasons. See how stupid that sounds? Regime with atheist leaders kills religious people is at least partially true because they were religious.

>I wonder if, at this point, you are just averting your eyes to any other posts and going "la-la-la-la".
Only your idiotic posts are causing me to do that.

>and you still cling to this idea that they built Communism on an idea of not believing in God
When did I say that, stupid?

I'm aware of what constitutes a religion and what doesn't, faggot, I just don't want my beliefs lumped in with yours.

mfw

>bash atheism day
No one even knows about that. It's like if I have a day every year where anyone's allowed to bash me but never tell anyone when it is. Of course I don't get angry: no one's bashing me anyway.

Everyone has to learn at some point. It's only because they didn't know what a non-Christian society would even be like that they bashed it in the first place.

It's incredibly humbling for ex-atheists when they finally have that realisation of how ignorant and myopic their 'fedora' phase was.

you think there is still reason in this world?
haha buddy, this is an asylum.

>Debunked.
Behold the atheist: someone who doesn't know how to argue and instead just throws down an unjustified dismissal. That's the exact same tactic SJWs use.

It's the same tactic all Jews use.

>You can literally say the same thing for Christianity
No, because 'true Christianity' is defined by what's taught in the Bible. A Christian might interpret things to their favour, but they'll never flat out deny them.

Thanks user, I've been looking for that gif for ages!

Your beliefs are not religious, so they weren't lumped into anything, pajeet.

I'm not even Indian, Hinduism is the original faith of the Aryan people, therefore the most legitimate. Even Himmler acknowledged it.

(((They))) are a little more crafty than that. What (((they))) do is take words and give them new definitions which suit their political aims, as well as steal revered labels for themselves.

I guess you are right, but in the end, they are still dismissing it.

>I'm aware of what constitutes a religion and what doesn't
Yes, yes, we all know. An 'ideology' is a belief system you like and a 'religion' is a belief system you don't like.

You're so fucking transparent.

Atheism targets Christianity, the bulwark against Islam. No atheist state has targeted Islam.

I never said anything close to that, you weeaboo kike, Hinduism isn't considered a "religion" in much of the West, so I won't call it that either. It's still, however, a way of faith and as much of a "religion" (an empty phrase) as any.