New nationalist forum

Only forum on the internet based around nationalist anti capitalism as opposed to all of the national capitalist and Marxist forums out there.

That's the Strasserist flag, isn't it?

Can you tell me whether you think private property should exist?

Not in it's current form. We'd be better replacing our current business models with cooperatives which would be regulated under state owned guilds. This would essentially be a more socialistic variant of mainstream fascist corporatism.

better off*

Would the wage system be retained? What about inheritance, internationalism, the environment etc

>Would the wage system be retained?
There would still be money but the traditional wage system would be replaced with a form of profit sharing.
>What about inheritance
There would probably be a limit on inheritance. I wouldn't totally ban it but someone should only be entitled to so much of which they haven't worked for.
>internationalism
No. I'm opposed to internationalism in all of it's forms. Whether it be Marxian socialism or Judeo-Capitalism both seek to destroy nations.
>the environment
I'd say I'm pro environment. With that said, I don't speak for all of our members. We all have our own views.

What incentive is there for me to work harder or innovate if my profits are shared?

Wow 3rd position is still around.

Do you guys still use that cringy as fuck tinychat?

>strasserism
get fucked nigger

If you're a worker, you'd have more of an incentive to make your company (cooperative) more profitable. That would mean providing better customer service and coming up with new ways to innovate within your particular economic collective. The more money the cooperative makes, the more money you make.

Not to mention, this sort of economic model also prevents the rise of monopolies because it isn't based around unsustainable growth. For example, lets say McDonalds was run as a cooperative, there would be no need for them to crush the competition because too much growth would mean that you would have to hire more people and that the profits to be distributed amongst the employees would become too diluted. Not to mention, which do you think makes the better product? Mom and pop cottage industries or corporate behemoths?

I don't really know a lot about tinychat to be honest.

u2 m8.

99% nationalist websites are honeypots. You've been warned newfags

We're not like 99% of the nationalist websites.

>The more money the cooperative makes, the more money you make.

I'm not sure that works the way you think it would.

If everyone earns the same failure or mediocrity is rewarded the same as pioneering and innovation. That divides people between parasites and pioneers. I wouldnt want to work in that environment.

Well, it's not like it would be terribly easy to get hired into the best cooperatives, you'd have to go through some sort of training first through your local guild. You might start out as an apprentice. Not to mention, there would still be a managerial class running the cooperatives. They'd probably be the sorts of people who had the most training in their particular industrial guild and the most experience. Plus we're talking about a white society. There wouldn't really be parasitism without niggers and kikes.

Please prepare yourself for the gay rights activists, or excuse me, "libertarians"

They are numerous on Cred Forums for some reason

Authoritarianism is redpilled.

What do you perceive is the largest difference between Strasserism and National Anarchism?

I've dealt with those faggots before. They're nothing I'm not used to.
Vid related.
youtube.com/watch?v=jcUZrDX5P7A

As far as I can tell, National Anarchism is quite a bit more decentralized than Strasserism. I don't agree with them on a lot of things but I still see them as brothers in arms.

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Sage

I beg to differ.

Would you argue that Strasserism is more restrictive on social/personal issues than NA's? Do you believe the differences end there?

Just trying to pin down my own views really.

Strasserists are merely Mensheviks of a Nationalist flavor.

I only know Milton Friedman who are the other three?

I'm not really a big expert on National Anarchism although my guess would probably be yes. However, both are generally racialist movements that are opposed to capitalism. Strasserism probably isn't quite as socially restrictive as Hitlerism although it's still more socially restrictive than liberalism or libertarianism.

There's a good couple of videos on the subject:
youtube.com/watch?v=cnGBVGW-50A

youtube.com/watch?v=Y0AjHeTyuxg

I believe the one in the top left corner is Ayn Rand. Vid related.

youtube.com/watch?v=2uHSv1asFvU

And yet your designing an environment that welcomes parasite activity. I cant see why a business would grow. what would prevent a business from getting out competed by another business, or are you controlling competition too?

>tripfag

Kill yourself immediately

National Anarchism would be pretty based if it weren't for how ridiculously unlikely it is that it would ever occur (and the whole "can't really have a functioning society lol" part).

Give me one good reason why Strasserism is actually better than Integralism and/or why communal guild systems are better than mixed-market corporatism. I'm genuinely curious OP.

>And yet your designing an environment that welcomes parasite activity.
Not really, if you're working you're not a parasite. A parasite is someone who sits on their ass and draws welfare. Something that I don't advocate for.
>I cant see why a business would grow.
There would be growth but not the type of infinite growth we have today.
>what would prevent a business from getting out competed by another business
The system I'm advocating for would actually far more competitive (on a collective level) than capitalism in it's current form since the market would actually be far more free of monopolistic influences.
>or are you controlling competition too?
Not really controlling competition. Competition is encouraged. Although there would be some regulations put into place to prevent a cooperative from trying to subvert the nation, however unlikely it would be.
>Give me one good reason why Strasserism is actually better than Integralism and/or why communal guild systems are better than mixed-market corporatism. I'm genuinely curious OP.

It's a matter of ideological preference. Personally, I see the economic elites as a parasitic exploiter class. Generally speaking, money and power seem to be corrupting influences. If you let these people get out of hand they can easily begin to destroy your nation from the inside out using their financial means.

With that said, I'll probably stay up a bit longer but I have to work tomorrow so I'll probably go to bed within the hour.

Agreed that National Anarchism is unlikely and really just a pipe dream, but I am what I am. Ideologies should not have to be a popularity contest.

Can you elaborate on the "can't have a functioning society part" a bit more?

>Can you elaborate on the "can't have a functioning society part" a bit more?

Most of the processes by which NA is supposed to be achieved (ex. withdrawal into racially & ideologically pure "no go" zones) pretty much preclude productive economic arrangements from occurring. Yeah, yeah, "post-capitalism," but I don't buy it. Further, hierarchies of a sort NA repudiates are pretty much necessary to sociocultural traditionalism, in my opinion.

>Personally, I see the economic elites as a parasitic exploiter class. Generally speaking, money and power seem to be corrupting influences. If you let these people get out of hand they can easily begin to destroy your nation from the inside out using their financial means.

I can see this point, but facilitators and managers are necessary evils. Incorporating quasi-managerial ("parasitic"/not value-adding) classes into the polity and incentivizing them to contribute seems to me to be a more realistic means of dealing with economic issues. Pure, unbridled capitalism is a terrible corrupting influence, but this isn't solely because of the money/power disparity. Any ideology which is solely materialistic will lead to subversion and moral degeneracy.

I'm very tired as well so the above paragraph might be rambling. tl;dr don't let it get out of hand, co-opt it.

I get your overall point. I'm not even opposed to the idea of managers. Even Otto Strasser believed that profits should be split 50/50 between the managers and the workers. I'm not sure how well this idea would work (you might even call me a neo-strasserist to an extent) but either way we'd still need someone to keep order in the workplace.

>freeforums

That site's not gonna last long

Depends on if we can get a large enough active community. It's actually an offshoot of an old double chan board by the name of /thirdpositionist/. It was never a big board but managed to chug along. Interestingly enough, since we left the old chan, we've actually been getting more members. Not to mention, I've been working my ass off to promote this board since there's not many others like it. (ideologically speaking).

Fair enough m8. So is there a list of ideologies your forum is open to? I used to post on the cripple's site but I don't recognize you guys.

We're open to pretty much anyone who wants to debate. We definitely welcome fascists and even Hitlerists if they're willing to be civil. I'm not looking to turn the place into a hugbox. (my ID may have changed since I just turned off my VPN.)

(didn't have it on while posting here but had it on to do some shitposting over at double chan).

>freeforum
Not even once.