International prosecutors investigating the downing of flight MH17 over eastern Ukraine in 2014 say the missile that...

>1) The comission denied the reports which Russian government presented in order to make things clear. Moreover, they said that they've already got all the necessary information
Correct.

>2) Most of the (((proves))) were found by Bellingcat.
Incorrect. Photo's etc are only part of the puzzle. Anything supplied to the JIT (including what Bellingcat supplied) was validated for authenticity.
>3) The radiolocation data of Ukrainian airforces was... GOD FUCKING DAMN DELETED.
That's what the Russians said too. But the JIT does have primary radar data from the area that was collected by an independent party for the purpose of radar equipment.
>4) The US classified all the photos of the area which were used in investigation. And they ain't gonna show em off
The JIT as access to all satellite image. They simply won't be made public until a trial.
>5) Russia was a priori guilty and wasn't able to participate in the investigation
No one is a priori guilty. Russia is simply where the facts lead to.

>for the purpose of radar equipment.
for the purpose of testing* radar equipment.

No I'm not saying that US had anything to do with the downing of the airplane. I'm saying it was planned that it is JUST NOW getting out that it was a Russian missile. It is merely an opportunity that can potentially get exploited

I bet 1 cent for that you're commie scum whose mother got married with a German guy so you both moved from Russia and you're now trying to troll everyone saying shit like 'look mom I am not Russian anymore, look mom I post anti russian pictures in pol'. Gtfo from here

Most likely scenario.

MH17 was (((equipped))) with Ukraine military beacons, so that it would register as military cargo plane. Then it diverged off-course. Then someone "leaks" info to rebels about Ukrainian cargo plane is coming their way. Rebels don't double and triple check the info, and shoot it down. Classic (((gambit)))

>I'm saying it was planned that it is JUST NOW getting out that it was a Russian missile.
And I'm saying that this is a retarded notion. Not everything's about you. This press conference was planned way in advance.

I do too. Unfortunately this has potential to be sensationalized quickly

>Then it diverged off-course.
That never happened. Even according to your own ministry of defense, in their latest version of events.

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Or rebels shoot down a passenger plane by accident.

>Note the list of current operators of the Buk. >See that Ukraine is there.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system
Yeah. This couldn't be a set-up. Not at all.
Inb4 complaints about using wikipedia as a source

>was validated for authenticity
By whome? The CIA? Or the Dutch prosecutors who are under strong influence of the Dutch politicians who actually suck big American cock?

>That's what the Russians said too.
Wrong. Look it up in Google, Russia represented onformation about flights and aerial footages later

>The JIT as access to all satellite image. They simply won't be made public until a trial.
Yeah and there is much time to delete what is not necessary and maybe create some other photos where we shall obviously see how Putin presses the button to launch the rocket.

God damn, boy, do you believe in justice? Still? If there are people like you on this Earth then the humanity still has some kind of a future!

Wasnt there a post on VK a hour or so after shooting the plane down by the separatists that they "shot a bird down"?
Tbh most likely scenario imo is that Russia was not directly involved other than providing the AA system and the separatists screwed up IDing the plane.

Is there anything about WHY? What was the reason? Why did they decide to shoot it down?

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The rebels fucked up and hit the wrong target.

Nothing malicious about it.

is anyone surprised? obviously it was the rebels fucking around with equipment they were unfamiliar with. really dumb as hell for commercial flights to be passing over that region at all considering the situation on the ground.

is that girkin or w/e his name was taking responsibility for it. they thought they shot down a military transport or something

It was Putin's order. Definitely. That's what Bellingcat and other American scum says. I'm pretty sure that in the end of that investigation they'll declare that Putin himself did it. Maybe with some kind of Assad's help who was in another jet close to that place.

Hmm.. Didn't notice that. Good point
I do stand by the crazy notion this can and probably will be sensationalized

Дa, имeннo этo иcкaл, cпacибo :-)

yeah, thing is russia was involved thats why they are so desperate to cover it up.

Search for Eshi-Zhalsan Dorzhiev on google, hes the guy that shot it down, Russian army BuK operator.

This is what happens when you post all your shit on social media.

>By whome?
By the JIT.
>under strong influence of the Dutch politicians
That makes no sense. This whole thing is taking so goddamn long to investigate because the Dutch government is expressly not involved in the investigation to avoid any impression of political influence.

>Russia represented onformation about flights and aerial footages late
I'm talking about primary radar data. They said for two years that they never saved it. Until last week, when suddenly they said they 'found' the raw data after all. The areal footage (supposedly showing MH17 diverting its course, and two other aircraft being present), by they way, directly contradicts what information the Russians now say can be inferred from the radar data, as well as contraditcs other earlier versions of the events as presented by the Russian defense ministry. Do your fucking homework before you spout nonsense.

>Yeah and there is much time to delete what is not necessary
Any prosecuted party will have access to the images too. They might not even be necessary to lead to a conviction, because there are multiple lines of evidence, most of which is forensic.

That plane was never actually shot down. The FBI user who came here to start the Clinton investigation said so. That plane was never shot down, the whole debacle is NWO false flag

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Everyone already knew this.

>Russia gives rebels AA missile
>Rebels see target on radar
>Rebels shoot down target
>Oops it was a passenger jet and not Ukraine Air Force
>Pretend it wasn't our fault
Sometimes people make mistakes.

Yup.
That's not part of this press conference. This one was about the weapon used, and its location.

The common theory is that it was an accident, but this isn't officially acknowledged by the joint investigation team yet.

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Yes yes very good evidences you provide guy who is certainly not xoxol with using proxy
it is really to be makings me think with activation of neurosystems and maybe almond

>still cant release radar images even tho west and ukraine claims they have them
JUST BELIEVE US GOY

Obviously false russia never does wrong stop being a nazi jew.

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This. Absolute horseshit coming from the western msm. I seriously hope Putin releases some damning information to RT or something to finally put this to bed.

>russia gives rebels aa missile
the most concrete evidence of which is an aa reporter crew that didn't think to take a picture of a ballastic missile system in rebel occupied territory. the west end of this story is just as bad as the easts from an independent perspective.

>By the JTI
So you're basically saying that there is a couple of guys and they're specialists in their stuff so they can investigate basically whatever they want and however they want while having almost 50% of all the information classified and showing no even a single normal proof of what they are saying and we have to believe them? Well, you also probably believe in unicorns, absence of corruption, honest elections and that drugs just come to the countries by themselves and not with the help of corrupted people. Nice brainwash.

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Wtf I hate Russia now

Yes. There were a large number of AIDS researchers, micro biologist, infectious disease experts on the airplane. If you wanted to put a yuuuuge dent in the brain power at limiting human suffering you would shoot down this plane.

Look at who was on the plane. Everything else is a distraction.

Btw - same for Pan Am 103. You have to know who was on the plane to understand why it was blown up.

>its location
what is the basis on evidence of the weapons location in this little stunt trial?

It was a two-seater interceptor jet, putin was in front seat and back seat was a mysterious orange man with artificial hair

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>a couple of guys
There are several hundred Dutch, Belgian, Australian, and Malaysian detectives and forensics experts working on this around the clock. That's the JIT.
>showing no even a single normal proof
They just had a whole press conference to show proof. That's what this thread is about.

DUTCH DECLARATION OF WAR ON RUSSIA WHEN??????

Russia also provided this image as evidence, but that's all forgotten now somehow...

I absolutely agree with you, sir. It is nice to see people with normal way of thinking in Cred Forums

What I think - Girkin talking about downed An-26 AND ANOTHER SU. Of course rebels hundreds of times tried to show that they shooting down thousands of jets, and it was fake. So that time too they saw some smoke over horizon and was like "Hey, Mikola, let's take a pictures of that smoke and say that we shoot down Hohol plane?"

I'm saying that because there wasnt downed An-26 that day, nor Su-25.

This plane was never shot down so none of this matters.

ok so who will take responsibilties?? give us wreckage money

Seriously though, why is it no one cares that Ukraine uses BUK missles as well?

Quiet, this doesn't involve you

they always intended to blame Russia. the entire Ukraine coup and resulting civil war was started by NATO. the timing of this release is probably related to recent events in Syria, where the US and its allies in terror have received a bloody eye and told to go fuck themselves to boot.

as for the "investigation", it has always been a farce. no info on it can be released without prior approval of the Ukrainian government, meaning it was going to be compleat bullshit from the start.

Or if you wanted to corner the market in human suffering, you would shoot down this airplane. I would immediatly suspect Soros. Since this we have had a major Ebola outbreak and are in the beginning stages of Zika plague.

As well as the stories about the bodies being found in various states of decomposition indicating that they may have been dead for days.

because people starting pointing out how shopped it is

Intercepted phone conversations talking about the BUKs location
Triangulation of the mobile phone communication to determine the location of the phones
Radio telemetry of the BUK system
Areal photos of the sight prior to and following the launch
Soil samples from the launch sight
Photo's of the smoke trail from multiple angles

nice meme

>but that's all forgotten now somehow.
curiously, even by the Russians themselves

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Hahaha. Holy shit. They even showed this shit on TV. So pathetic.

Nice btthrt ITT

Reparations for ww2 invasion pls

Our MOD gave all military radar info over that sector just few hours or so after the incedent, but western (((experts))) was like "IT'S NOT PROOFS, IT'S PROPAGANDA".

>Dutch
>Belgian
>Australian
>Malaysian
Do you see in this list at least one country which is not completely sold to American jews and still has independence? I don't see it, personally.

>proof
Shitty phone call of separatist which I can make in iphone's sound editing program? Blured photos? Results of Bellingcat's analysis of Twitter's shitpost?

I say again. The US is behind all that shit. And they need more chaos in Europe. They want to demonize Russia, make everyone afraid. They want us all to be afraid. And then send us all to the war (good goys)

i demand video proof of putin pressing the fire button, only then will rossiya faggots believe

>no info on it can be released without prior approval of the Ukrainian government
This is a blatant lie.

For all the underages in this thread. What's the most likely scenario:

1. Rebels mistook an airliner for an Ukranian cargo plane, which they've taken down a few off in the weeks before, and shot it down using an BUK provided by Russia.

or

2. CIA bombed a plane filled with corpses while Ukranians shot it using a BUK thinking it was Putin his ship and they also shot it down with an SU-25, using the board cannong, and there was flight controller Carlos who was involved as well somehwo. All of this to frame Russia.

But it isn't.

Don't. Russia was probably tricked into shooting this plane down. They are probably really poised about this. I suspect their distrust of the sources of the Intel that got them to do this is probably driving there foreign policy in the Mideast right now.

>Our MOD gave all military radar info over
This is a blatant lie. They handed over a VIDEO of the radar screen, which for forensic purposes has no value whatsoever.

That's what I am trying to explain during this whole fucking thread. Thank you, at least you thought about the same.

It's a real Google earth image.

>bellingcat just used shitposts

bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2016/05/03/the_lost_digit/

kek

This triggers the vatnik. You only need to see just how angry they got at it for connecting the dots and never once buying into the bullshit of MUH SU-25 FLYING ABOVE ITS SERVICE CEILING FIRED A MISSILE THAT STRUCK ABOVE THE COCKPIT

dont embarrass yourself dolescum

seems legit

I remember when the Russians claimed it was shot down by a Ukrainian Frogfoot at cruising altitude.

Fun times.

We even tested it in DCS to show how impossible that was.

God I can't wait until we get to finally go to war with Russia. Those commie fucks won't know what hit them.

Russians themselves conducted a test to proof it was a bomb, while claiming it was a jet fighter and a Ukranian BUK at the same time.

Actually pretty clever, spreading your bets.

I love it how nobody on the pro-Putin side wants to talk about that images anymore.
I remember how they all bragged about the image and asked people: why has the USA not realised satellite photos yet? Putin has!
And now that it's all fake they don't want to talk about it anymore and just keep repeating how the west is evil

>Shitty phone call of separatist which I can make in iphone's sound editing program?
I'm done taking to you. Watch the press conference. Also, I'll just reiterate:

Intercepted phone conversations talking about the BUKs location
Triangulation of the mobile phone communication to determine the location of the phones
Radio telemetry of the BUK system
Areal photos of the sight prior to and following the launch
Soil samples from the launch sight
Photo's of the smoke trail from multiple angles

I've yet to see a detailed breakdown to show me that the image is fake.

Interesting, where is the source that tweet is referring to?

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>2016
>still no proofs

damn

They forget every claim they made. Like I said before, we went from 'CIA bomb' to 'Flight controller Carlos' to 'Ukraine jet fighter'. They keep making up new bullshit, have people 'testify' on live television and forget all the old stuff they spouted last week.

Usually when people keep coming up with new explainations they're lying. But not Russians.

It was shown on Lenta, every image has been debunked. Just copy+paste+gray filter of google images.

RUSSIA BTFOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Enjoy your hatred and lie, my Dutch friend. I bounce from this thread guys.

P.S. Come over to Barcelona. It's a really nice city. Thanks for the talk anyways.

There was just a press conference about the proof. That's what this thread is about.

you mean to imply the US must also sign off on any conclusions reached by the Netherlands

And they presented no proof of anything

Oké even if it's not fake. Why is Russia saying that flight mh17 was shut down by a buk missile from a Ukraine side and not a jet fighter anymore?

You're pathetic. They shoot down a plane, cover it all up and blame everyone else, basically insulting the relatives of those who died. And it's us who should stop the hate.

These proofs didn't proof Ukraine and CIA did it, so they're wrong.

all the shit posting about the f-35 and its gonna wreck the fuck out of them.

>yfw an aegis cruiser can fire its missiles from 250km away and the f-35 can pick them up and guide them to target whilst in stealth

>the US must also sign off
No, on the contrary. Each member state can release any info at their own leisure. The US isn't even in the investigation team.

They shot it down by mistake, thinking it's a cargo aircraft. (Novorussia shot down cargos before)

Holy shit this pic is legit cringeworthy, remember seeing it a couple of years ago.

>This thread proves it, WMDs are in Iraq and they did 9/11 - Hillary, G.W. Bush
>Same bullshit different day.

I dont really know. I dont think russia it self was it. For what reason? The only effect it has would be bad publicity which they cant use. And they cant use it as false flag and shift it on others since automatically every investigation will be done against russia since they are the big bad guy.

Then there are the ukrainians. They could have done it for a false flag in order to gain support against the russians and seperatists. Wouldnt suprise me, its after all one of the methods the west likes to use.

Then there are the seperatist. Those maybe tried a false flag themselves, but that would be dumb since its clear that they and russia will get shifted the blame on no matter what. Maybe it was an accident, they mistook it for a military plane and shot it down and when they saw their mistake they just acted like they know of nothing.

These are the only scenarios i can think off.

Also ask you save why commercial planes fly over a wararea in the first place.

Wouldnt even suprise me if they had an traitor among the seperatists who shot that plane down on purpose so the seperatist lose support (if they are actually the ones who shot it down) and in order to do that they had to have planes flying over the area

What sort of investigation would you be satisfied by and who should do it?

Daily reminder that Russians under Stalin murdered more people than Hitler ever did.

Whenever hohols do military exercises, their missiles always malfunction, miss and lock onto something else.
It wouldn't be the first time the subhumans shot down an airliner.

The RT/proofster narrative is that the USA controls all the nations involved.

I just find it real convenient that it happened after they annexed Crimea, and Ukraine needed some way to demonize them and the rebels to the world at large. They'd certainly gain from it.

>Daily reminder that jews and pidorashkas under Stalin murdered more russians than Hitler ever did.

Ukraine is now a US client state. We OWN Ukraine. Ukraine is our bitch.

Netherlands is a good puppy, too.

Sorry, I meant where is the original Google Earth image the tweet is referring to.

Did Google verify it was from their servers?

>They'd certainly gain from it.
Except they didn't at all.

The rebels shot down multiple airplanes in the weeks before MH17.

Why is it so hard to believe they made a mistake, they're Russians who have a sub-100 average IQ. Not making mistakes would be a wonder for them.

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Went to spain once, most degenerate place I have been, Fags kissing constantly in public, dirty hippie niggers in granada smoking and selling hash

youtube.com/watch?v=zMGZtkMS3sQ

Thanks for correcting the record.

Coincidentally I was going to do the same thing!

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They're not.

Ask them. Afaic Google Earth was a seperate program back in 2012.

Any sensible person knew this all along

Eh

After reading this report the data seems really inconclusive.

I think they have enough to prove it was BUK missile system that seems easy enough to figure out.

The problem is they found out it was an older one not used by Russians anymore so it's up in the air on who has it. Whether it be the Ukrainians, rebels, or old "sell me" stock Russia had.

There are a lot of wholes in the investigation which should be showing a lot more transparency.

The joint team consists of Austraila, Malaysia, Ukraine, Belgium, and the Netherlands.

We all know Malaysia is just their for show and they don't do jack shit but provide flight information and who was on board.

Australia has no vested interest as far as I can see.

The Netherlands is providing the brunt of the investigation personal.

But Belgium (aka the EU) and Ukraine don't belong in this mix up at all. This is where I cry foul to this investigation and it's lack of transparency.

I won't believe them until they show video/UAV evidence otherwise.

Get your facts straight. They have been, since last week.

Also question:

Why should anyone believe the MSM narrative?

They already showed that they delete, change and twist things how they need them.

I don't believe a single word coming from them.

As Yuri Slezkine said, they were Stalin's willing executioners.

Some rebels also bragged on twitter about shooting down a Ukrainian cargo plane, they deleted it after they realized what they had done.

Or, Ukrops forced the MH to take a very fucking unusual route, at non standard altitude, which led LNR/DNR gunners to misinterpret it for a military aircraft?

That's wrong. They don't give them AA.

They (Russia) send their own men to operate the equipment.

that story links to another story detailing Russia changing it's story.
I followed this on Cred Forums and read everything that hit the papers and I can say the only thing that wasn't said the first month was about the new "evidence" and how the trajectory happened, the only story change I never read was "But then the story switched, and Russian missile company Almaz-Antey blew up another plane to prove MH17 had been downed by a BUK surface-to-air missile. "
this is all propaganda

>a police officer, a prosecutor, a history professor

Remember the Russians said it was a Su-25, and when it was proven to be physically impossible, they tried to edit the plane's Wikipedia page?

Everyone with half a brain assumed it were the rebels using a Russian supplied BUK believing they shot down an Ukranian cargo plane.

The madness only began after Russia suddenly started blaming Ukraine and the CIA, even though denying having any involvement with the rebels.

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Its not, it was one of my theories even. Among others. Usually the best way to find out who did something is looking wjo would gain what or why someone would do it. And i simply wrote all scenarios i could think of, even the seperatist did a mistake

>flying over Russia

You have to be a complete asshole to do this. I'm glad they got hit. It's like wiggling your genitals in front of a grumpy bulldog.

They haven't changed their line at all. It was an air-to-air missile fired from a ukrainian jet.

>The problem is they found out it was an older one not used by Russians anymore so it's up in the air on who has it. Whether it be the Ukrainians, rebels, or old "sell me" stock Russia had.
The press conference addressed this issue as well. The make and type of missile could be inferred from its shrapnel (e.g. 'bow tie' shaped metallic objects that are placed in front of the charge are only used in later models) and from serial numbers on shrapnel. To rule out that this was placed on the sight afterwards, they used forensic techniques to establish its origin.

Stalin took the most disgusting useless lowlife drunkard scum, armed them, called them Committees of Poor Peasants and ordered to kill and pillage. Some of these creratures were drafted and then turned into the NKVD, which surveyed the process.

Who gives a shit?

Sometimes soldiers kill civilians by accident. Yeah, that happens. What are you going to do about that?

>who would gain
This is just conspiracy tier assumptions.

Imagine I tripped and land into the hospital. Was it my fault, or the hospital since they gain the most?

You can keep repeating that nonsense, or you can simply google this shit and find out you're wrong. It's not difficult.

BUK isn't air-to-air

Or are the roosters still denying it was a BUK?

Please go hug your pillow in the corner little anime poster.

God knows the only thing you are going to fight in your life is the urge to not commit suicide or masturbate to little anime girls.

They're still denying it was a BUK.

more sanctions lol

the chance it was russian involvement is highly likely, but im going to say this:

dont form a belief on anything if you werent there to see with your own eyes, there are many interests in the world and you simply cant believe anything around you.

>missile came from Russia

Kek. Surely an honest mistake that the headline reads like Russia fired the missile. Thinking I might complain to Ofcom desu.

>Ask them

I could try, I'm surprised though.

Have they not already made a statement to clear the matter up?

Because any western msm article or wiki I come across through using google wont have a hint of bias.

>Russian supplied BUK

ukraine is also using that system, rebels could have seize it from them.

>What are you going to do about that?
Make up different bullshit stories, blame anyone else, hire an army of internet trolls to spout shit online and keep denying anything even though all evidence points your way.

No, they're not you retard. They already concluded it was an Ukranian BUK.
This video is from the BUK manufacturer themselves.
youtube.com/watch?v=8DmraSOdTYk

I bet US operators were behind this to create false flag to justify actions against Russia

Ukraine doesn't use AA against rebels, because they have no airforce silly.

Besides a special (and documented) type of schrapnell was found.

>Dutch-led investigators
They're fucking biased, chances are it was pro-Russian rebels actually from Ukraine who missed the glory days and spoke Russian.

see

Look for RT then.

Jet fighter or BUK.

I can see a lot of arse pain ITT and wanna clear some things:
1.At first all thought it was jet because there was flights of unknown planes without responder over that area. So first thing to blame was that it was interceptor.
Fun fact: hohols claimed it was russian jet too.

2.Then, when hysteria ended, all start thinking wtf was that. Hohols start yelling that it was vodka niggers, vodka-niggers took IL civilian jet and blew up BUK missile near it. youtube.com/watch?v=8DmraSOdTYk

3.Conference didn't show photo of elements of missile. It's hell of da proof, because hohol missiles and russian have different submunitions. Hohols using old ones, soviet.

Not mention other things like Russian MOD radar info, all information from Almaz-Antei etc.

So... now what?

Are they going to shirtfront Putin?

For me, it seems like missiles flies over ... now
>proofs

I don't think you understand the nature of the image.

It surfaced on sosach or whatever, then Lenta.ru aired it on television, Russians jumped on it because they WANTED it to be true, but after looking at it for longer than 2 seconds even a child could figure out it was fake and everyone forgot about it.

Admitting it?

>blame anyone else,
I think the best way would be just to give up with that DPR shithole. Blame them, let EU jail them, burn them, whatever.

Wow, a missile explodes on a plane. Great proof right there. Because an air to air missile will just shower the cockpit in confetti.

i'm talking about rebels storming ukrainian army baracs and stealing the weapons.

that was happening all over donbas

no other high altitude target was ever downed though
the attack on mh17 (whether it's ID was mistaken or not) was deliberate
neither force used high altitude bombing and the ukrainians couldn't ferry their fighters/bombers at that level either. there was no use for high altitude SAMs.

>Who gives a shit?
My cousin died in that crash. So obviously I give a shit.

>give up with that DPR shithole.
Are you suggesting there's still ANY effort put into that Novorussia project?

>Who gives a shit?
Families of the deceased do.

>Stalin took the most disgusting useless lowlife drunkard scum, armed them, called them Committees of Poor Peasants and ordered to kill and pillage. Some of these creratures were drafted and then turned into the NKVD, which surveyed the process.

Pretty antisemitic of you, homie. I don't think the EU would much appreciate your jewish stereotypes. They were actually well-educated, taking full advantage of the opportunities offered them. Read Slezkine's book.

Really lol.

What? You do know when investigating murder you look for the motives first as well?

Or put in another way: why would you shoot down a civillianplane which isnt a threat to you with a missile costing probably a few ten thousands of dollars?

For the keks? Look who gains something from it and usually you will be at least looking into the right direction

Are you really Russian?

Please repeat your post in Russian to prove your not a proxyfag.

Theyre still not bankrupt, and still have military forces. I have no idea how do they manage to have any income, being isolated from the entire world. Our government spends our money on them Im 100% sure about that.

Once again, your assumption here is that we are dealing with fully developed independent thinking human beings.

We're not. They were Russians with AA weapons, they just shot at something with wings.

The way they're covering it up is what bothers me so much.

They probably wouldn't know how to use it though, it's quite a sophisticated system. Which means it came from Russia together with trained specialists.

Da lol

it isn't impossible with long ranged missiles designed to take out high targets

Why can't you Russians just admit you fucked up? O wait, because you're losers.
What does Russia even have to offer? Shit oil industry at $40 a barrel?, caviar?, vodka?, minerals? Or perhaps it's outdated shit tier military equipment you sell to chinks and Muslims that are stupid enough to buy your garbage. Since you beady eyed slavs shits decided to try and go all USSR land grabby and fail miserably your funny money has bottomed the fuck out. As of right now the ruble is in the toilet. Go spend the entire paycheck you get shilling for your failed manlet dictatorship nation on a sack of potatoes and a piece of wood.

LOL KILLED BY DRUNK SUBHUMAN RUSSKIE

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Read up into Asian culture.

Loss of face (gezichtsverlies) is a real thing. They will NEVER admit their wrongs.

Back to /po/ you go.

Don't let your cousins fly over warzone next time.

Кaк-тo paз, вo вpeмя пиpa,
Mышь cкaзaлa "B жoпy cыpa"
Звepи cтaли хoхoтaть,
Mышкe в жoпy cыp тoлкaть

>Opinions?

If we agree try Bush and Cheney along with them there should be prosecution

Also
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

>Russia
>Asian

>WHATABOUT
Boys we've reached the next stage of proofs.

Are you actually denying Russia is partially Asian?

>They will NEVER admit their wrongs
Thats bolshevik\CPSU tradition.

Die in a fire, lowlifes.

it takes 3 teams to fire this BUK
even a retired US general said the day after it was shot down that the rebels couldn't have shot down a jet 30000 feet in the air w/ what they had. further more in the begaining the claim was it was a BUK that the rebels JUST captured and fired it(no way that could be true)

> they're covering it up is what bothers me so much

you really think its them coming with this kindergarden level theories

or is someone deliberately making it up knowing it will look retarded

Well, i don't mind more sanctions. It's not that bad.

What are you fucking on about britbong?

Do you not understand how weapon systems work?

The missile explodes when it comes into target range throwing shrapnel into vital components hopefully downing an aircraft.

The investigation concluded that the missile exploded somewhere above the cockpit like in the video.

Not 100% accurate test but it does shed some light on how this stuff works in terms of destruction.

>The United States government did not formally apologize to Iran.[14] In 1996, the United States and Iran reached a settlement at the International Court of Justice which included the statement "...the United States recognized the aerial incident of 3 July 1988 as a terrible human tragedy and expressed deep regret over the loss of lives caused by the incident...".[15] As part of the settlement, the United States did not admit legal liability but agreed to pay on an ex gratia basis US$61.8 million, amounting to $213,103.45 per passenger, in compensation to the families of the Iranian victims.

USA shoots down a plane and immedeatly recognizes it was their fault.

>junta established
>sees Crimea "occupied"
>expects full blown invasion
>sends forces to defend
>no Russian invasion
>only rebels
>lose some armor to rebels
or
>get too worked up and accidentally shoot down a civilian plane

Ukrs still claim to be a war. Even claimed they blew up an armata tank, but that was a while back.

I dont really know why you are arguing with me. The rebells doing a mistake, shooting it down and when they realized their mistake tried to cover it up is one of the things that i see as pretty probable as well. I didnt speak against it. Only thing i did was saying that there are other scenarios that could have taken place. I dont know which one it was, but i see all of them as possible, and what you believe is up to you.

I just dont trust that (((indipendent research))) blindly and so i have to work with what i have got which is basically nothing (i dont even denie this since both sides like to "twist their truth" a bit). So all i can do is guessing which led me to the scenarios i described in the first post

Thank you

>Boys we've reached the next stage of proofs.

So, what you are saying is that only some peoples criminal acts and illegal wars should be investigated?

>Die in a fire
You mean like your cousin did?

youtube.com/watch?v=JbIPo8dW9b0

Russians explain the report is garbage.

I'm just saying we're talking about MH17 here, not the USA shooting down an Iranian plane in the 80s.

But if you believe this is related: the USA actually confessed it was them.

>deaths can be undone with money

cheney and bush should hang they killed over 2 million civilians

>Are you actually denying Russia is partially Asian?
No, but Russia is a European country, most people live in the European part. Also, our never borrowed much from Asian cultures. And we sure as hell don't have this 'loss of face' part like Japanese. We don't admit that we fucked up, because our government follows a narrative that we have no troops in Ukraine.

lol

The original report LITERALLY said that most schrapnel went right through. And now the Roosters complain it was all fake because some schrapnell could be retrieved.

so eastern ukraine is now officially Russia?
nice

Daym, Dutch never was THAT roasted.

Oh wait, they was.

*our culture

I hate to admit it, but it seems that Russia is getting away with this one. Or what are you going to do, wooden shoes?

>But if you believe this is related: the USA actually confessed it was them.

The relevant point here is that no one went to prison. It was still business as usual

So there are no Russians in eastern-Ukraine?
Nor ANY Russian army involvement?

there was never soil samples found
shill detected

An air to air missile explodes in exactly the same way. There is nothing to indicate that it came from a BUK at all.

No, to us the point is that someone at least admitted it was them, and paid some compensations to those harmed.

It's a white people thing, Asians like Fins or Russians cannot understand this.

I'm Malaysian and I think this report is biased against Russia; Russia should be part of the JIT if it wants to be fair.

Thank you Dutch for correcting the record. I'm a #Ukrainianvacationhomeforunclesam now.

>there was never soil samples found
They literally just held a fucking press conference about them. Fucking moron.

Just curious how Dutch investigators came by all this information?

Russia is not involved in the war in eastern-Ukraine and has no AA stationed there nor do they supply AA capacities to Ukrainian nationals who are not happy with their government.

Why would Russia be included in this investigation? They always denied ANY involvement.

We're talking about legal procedures, things like reasonable doubt, etc. From day 0 there was only one suspect - Russia - supported by all the circumstantial evidence.

Would have been current situation any different if Russia immediately admitted it fault?

He he he. We got them back when we knocked out a platoon of Russian backed Syrians earlier this month.

I think separatists really shot it down by accident because they can't into sophisticated weapons and thought it was an ukranian cargo plane.
I wonder if Putin will order to give up some low level separtist fighters for trial or will keep denying it, probably the latter.

1) Plane has been shut down by Russian army (most probably) or Russia-backed rebels (less probably) with Russian Buk.
2) It was obvious at the day it happened. All the doubts, even the smallest vanished during the first week after an incident.
3) For some reason your government don't want to jeopardize its relations with Russia (idn why). They just press Wait button hoping for some new factors to appear.
4) I haven't read the thread.
5) And sorry for this shit. Those Russians who oppose this regime can't really do anything about it. Just watch what happens next. Hope you haven't lost relative or friend there.

Secret services provided phone calls etc.
Most of the testing was done in Finland.
Also research done on social media (you can laugh, but Sosach has shitloads of info regarding the conflict in Ukraine, more than normal media).

However the most important stuff was always there: the wreckage of the plane.

Fuck off kikes no white on white wwiii
Or we use gas chambers for real this time.

>No, to us the point is that someone at least admitted it was them,

No, the point is that no one was punished, business as usual

>and paid some compensations to those harmed.

honestly the responsible party should be the airline company for flying in missile range of combat zone

>It's a white people thing, Asians like Fins or Russians cannot understand this.

Das just raycist man

Relatives would've sued Russia for shekels in "admit" scenario.

>separatists really shot it down

Actually a Russian military unit.

>3) For some reason your government don't want to jeopardize its relations with Russia (idn why). They just press Wait button hoping for some new factors to appear.
Economics. Netherlands is the biggest trade partner in Europe with Russia I think, or after Germany.

This was always a problem, we wanted to keep good economic relations but currently our politicians cannot play nice with Russia or everyone hates them.

>RIDF trying to derail thread by complaining about anime reaction image on an anime site

Nice try.

Annexing territories from other countries, shooting down civilian airliners, bombing UN aid convoy, picking the scab, bullying the weak

How can Russia get away with all of these shit?

are we forgetting ukranian radio control told MH17 to change flight path?

skimmed through the thread, so forgive me if i failed to notice it.

i don't believe these things happen randomly.
there was only 1 party to gain anything from this and that is the "neo-nazi" "government" of ukraine.

i wouldn't trust my countrymen either, they are shills for the jewish cause.
watched 40 seconds of television after the presidential debates and all they did was fawn over hillary and outright smear trump with lies.

tl;dr the dutch are shabbos goy

>Belgium and Australia are involved in the Ukrainian rebellion and therefore should assist in the investigation

Russia would be forced to cease support to separatsists and get out from eastern urkaine, probably from Crimea too.

yeah the timing isn't convenient at all

You mean flight controller Carlos, that Spanish guy?

Or those Ukranian BUK controllers that 'admitted' they shot MH17 down on Russian television?

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Next time don't fly over a war zone and don't trust Ukraine's flight control

wheres the proofs kaaskop?

Why is Belgium included then? Russia has radar and has ties to the separatists.

This is one sided and you know it. Everyone here; my family and friends feel that this report is politically motivated and really unjust as it's not handled by the international aviation investigation organization.

Come on.

only the mercenaries , and nobody hides it
and if you don't know there howling mercenaries from US and EU countries too

my friend's father a senior military in Russia
Russia dont use regular military units there only mercenaries
mostly retired military and veterans of the Chechen war

and guess what
even if it is true that separatists shoot down this plane THEY ARE STILL HOHOLS
THAT'S THE IRONY
aхaхaхa

>Implying the BUK system isn't in use all over Eastern Europe
>Implying the separatists couldn't get a bunch of dudes that were trained on it during their military service

It's a weapon system, not brain surgery.

Putin is a gay faggot tranny

>Netherlands is the biggest trade partner in Europe with Russia I think, or after Germany.
Your salt is pretty good. Too bad they recently sanctioned it. I bought a few kg in advance, before it is gone from supermarkets.

But /po/ told me that PUTIN SLIL. Did /po/ lied to me?

there are 4 superpowers currently in the world and can influence other countries

russia is one of them

You lot have brain tumors?
This investigation is NOT into the war in Ukraine, it's about MH17.

All countries part of the investigation team lost nationals in that crash.

>there are 4 superpowers

I can count to three

Us, Russia and China.

Who is the fourth one?

the butthurt in here is palpable

Have he dropped any good loot?
I wounder how much he scream while were diving from 10k feet with out parachite.
The hell is your cousin are some kind of mental stun addicted or something.

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He's just biased as hell. People here think ICAO should do the investigation, not a bunch of countries. Our politicians are corrupt as fuck so if the Dutch bribed them, they could nod their heads all they want.

>Not that bad
>GDP has fallen
>Employement is rising
>Your bank reserves are drying up
Cry more ruskibaby

>Implying the separatists couldn't get a bunch of dudes that were trained on it during their military service
On short notice? Maybe not. Which is the case if we assume the claims of "recently captured BUK" were true.

eu

India, super power by 2030.

Whose secret services?
What testing was done in Finland?
Social media research commonly is little more than he said she said.
From the wreckage of the plane one can only ascertain that it was indeed hit by a surface to air missile. Who fired it as well as their intentions are not covered in aircraft wreckage.

Because nobody gives a shit about shitty Slav countries desu senpai

It's expected most people died before hitting the ground.
Jesse Klaver kanker onderkruipsel ga zelf even googelen.
nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines-vlucht_17#Bemanning_en_passagiers

They're not entirely wrong, he flushed the idea of Novorossia down the toilet,
He didn't slil DNR and LNR if you're satisfied with that.

Nothing to do with the sanctions though.

Israel.

lmao, that's because of oil prices.

It's all lies. Only RT speaks the truth and does proper research. This is all a CIA set-up, I'm a CIA agent.

So why not involve the Russians in as part of the investigation?

You're biased just admit it.

>Have he dropped any good loot?

Probably not.

What effect will this have?

Damn i wounder how would selfie from that plane look.

>EU
>superpower

kek

>stuffed toy have survived
>humans have hot

Who /stuffedmasterrace/ here?

That's bullshit. Even former separatists admitted that Russian army regulars were fighting in some battles like Ilovaisk etc. They crosss in, do their stuff and then quickly withdraw behind the line again. Funny how you Klingon to the version that separatists downed the plane. Somehow separatists use the argument that there were no rumors amongst them about the plane to deflect those accusations. Now you really either need to go back to some bullshit Russian version like Ukrainians trying to down Putin's plane or Ukrainian Su25 frontline bomber jumping above its max altitude, or admit that it was a regular unit of the Russian army

Israel wouldn't survive a day without US support. They are not a superpower.

RUSSIA LOST 0(ZERO/NO/NONE) PEOPLE IN THE CRASH
RUSSIA CLAIMS TO BE NOT(NOT) INVOLVED IN THE WAR IN UKRAINE

why would we even consider letting Russia join the team? They have nothing to do with it, remember?
Like this

>Why would Russia be included in this investigation? They always denied ANY involvement
Sounds like you have the tumor I was just reversing your illogical conlcusion for excluding Russia from the investigation despite the fact that they (could) have more qualitative evidence and assist the investigation beyond two nations which have nothing to do with the evidence other than military/political alliances.

>Ukraine, having sovereign control of its airspace, was responsible for ensuring the safety of flights, including situations where another state is the source of a threat, appears to be incomplete and does not reflect the objective fact that Ukraine ignored safety risks for civil aircraft after unleashing hostilities in the east of the country.

When you're on someones property and a stray dog (or Buk missile) bites you. You don't sue the dogs non-existent owner (there can be no way to prove this incident without a government confession). You sue the property owner (Ukraine) for letting stray dogs onto his property.

More political turmoil, a chance for EU to use this as a convenient scapegoat for the people to ignore domestic issues.

...

youtube.com/watch?v=4WTN9DeSEdw

>artificial
>implying

Is this the face of someone who shoots down a plane full of innocents? if he shot it down they werent innocent

>a hand full of atomic weapons
>a single aircraft carrier
>superpower

Russia always denied any involvement, why would anyone ask them to join the team?

Not a thing, other than people going EVIL RUSSIA CAUSE WAR CRIME YOU PAY

So just back to square one.

Muslims haven't killed 280 people in all their terror attacks the last few years.

You think i care about that ?

We've known this for years, open source intelligence provided pictures and a timeline of the movement of the Buk unit that shot down MH17 a while ago.

Idk how pol can seriously consider niggers and spics a legitimate threat but not the Russian government, you retards need to wake the fuck up

RUSSIA DINDUNUFFIN REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
CIA NIGGERS FUCK OFF

"in the new investigation"
11months after the Dutch closed their investigation

finland, meme superpower

My be yes, may be no! You must can search video from Ukrainian indepedence day 2016. We call behold lots of Ukrainian "buks" on the central street.
But i know, the rebels was scared Ukrainian airstrikes, can can shoot. Generaly question -does he had working aa divisions or not? It's very unclean story. Also, Ukrainian had incident with israelian airlaner in 2001.

And now he has to FOREVER welfare Donbass which is a shit region with shit people, while Kharkov and Odessa is firmly in ukrop hands. The strategic importance of Odessa port is as great as Crimea's.

>he believes the Lefti media narrative who constantly throws shit at russia and everyone they dislike

Yea yea sure the ebil putin did it

But they have radar coverage of the area and able to get more resources AND want to help the investigation but why turn them away?

You're losing your ground here. I'm not being pro Russian but this is a far fetch from an (((independent))) investigation.

Should let ICAO do the investigation not a handful of nations with political agendas.

Admit you're biased.

...

Pretty much this. Ignore Deutsche Bank, it's the evil Russians and Iranians that we must fear.

They offered their investigative personnel to the JIT and were refused. I'd say they were involved due to the day 1 conclusion that "The Russians Did It" all over the western newspapers.

Have you even read into this?

There have been plenty investigations, because this is done professionaly.
The first investigation was regarding the cause of the crash: what caused it. The end of it.
This one went into the question: who did it.

Russia denied NATO (Netherlands) access to the crash site. They worked against the investigation since day one.

>having influence projecting over the world doesnt make you superpower
>having nuclear weapons doesnt make you superpower
>aircraft carriers make you a superpower

nice try declining superpower

"Pro-Russian rebels" aka Russian soldiers on "vacation" cheered right after they brought the plane down. They thought it was a Ukrainian military transport aircraft.

No need to defend your shithole of a country, Vasily. Soon enough, we'll be coming for you.

>their to fight isis
>kills platoon fighting isis

What is 1948-1968, roach?

It's a wonder why they continue this circus with "investigation" when everything was decided while plane still smoked or even before that.

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They demanded VETO.
They also denied any NATO member (Netherlands) access to the crash site, claiming this would justify Russian armed involvement in the Ukraine (lmao).

Actually yes, all those things make you a superpower.

Declining Ill grant you.

I never mentioned Muslim terror attacks at all. What makes you think I implied that?

Everything was feasible in 2014 but it's hard to do anything when you're manlet coward surrounded by people who keep thier money, property and kids in the West.

> former separatists
reliable source !
>Russian army regulars
they are not regulars, they all mercs with some russian equipments
thats all
usa and eu mercs on pro USA side
and russian mercs on pro Russian side
the problem is that the mercenaries in our country was banned until last year
therefore, at first,putin had to deny their presence there
its just politics
western media never says even about bkackwaters mercs on Ukraine
politics is a show , the opium for brainless farmers

IGNORE CIA DISINFO THREADS

>find dead person on the street
>nigger with smoking gun nearby

"DIZ B A SET UP, Y'ALL B FRAMIN ME BLACK AZZ CYKA BLYAT"

Just pointing out that even the Muslims didn't manage to kill so many people in terrorist attacks than the Russians.

Better question is, why did Pussyn authorize deployment of aa systems?

ITT a single bummblasted cloggy can't accept that this JIT stinks as much as the independent Russian investigation that preceded it.

>Deutsche Bank
What is this pol meme, if you don't mind me asking? I see threads about its stocks dropping, but why do people care? What did this particular bank do wrong?

Donations, sales to Kiev (believe it or not) sales to Russia and trade between S.Ossetia and Abkhazia.

You're think this is because sanctions? No, this is not. And our countersanctions really help our agriculture. So, i dare you sanctions us even more.

>"russia" shooting down a plane of dutch faggots looking to go ravage malaysian boipucci is a threat
if i could give a medal to whoever fired that missile i would

>opium for brainless farmers

No need to be so hard on yourself, Dmitriy. I'm sure the collective farm business is full of honor and potatoes

Air advantage was all the Ukraine had, and they abused it. Nothing the rebels could do against them.

So then suddenly Ukranian planes started dropping like flies.

>implying that you are not brainless farmer

>Soon enough, we'll be coming for you.

You will fart on their dick I assume.

the hell we won't you fucking kike.

>cockholes keep sending passenger planes into the active warzone where military planes were shot down
>a passenger plane gets shot down in said warzone by their own rebels
>with some Russian manufactured weapon
>Russian/Soviet manufactured weapons are used all across the globe, including both sides of internal Ukrainian conflict
>somehow Russians are guilty
Ukrainian side endangered innocent people's lives. Ukrainian citizens killed them. Russia is guilty. I don't get it.

sott.net/article/319219-Malaysia-gets-help-investigating-MH17-from-Russia-Kiev-in-panic

>Oleg Storchevoy, the deputy head of the Federal Air Transport Agency, says the organization is assisting with the investigation into the crash of flight MH17 over Ukraine. However, the data it has provided has largely been ignored by the Dutch authorities.

rt.com/politics/official-word/331834-mh17-russia-storchevoy-letter/

If Russia has 0 involvement in the war as you claim, how can they deny NATO (Netherlands, lel) access when it hapened in Ukrainian territory and not Russian territory?

Who has brain tumour now? Admit you're biased.

This particular bank is 8 times the size of the German economy, and 3 times the size of the EU one.
If it fails it's very likely the world economy might collapse.

What they did: like most shitty banks they got big by giving risky loans to people that can't really afford them and now they might collapse.

>independent Russian investigation
Did you have to laugh while typing those words in one sentence?

>Bush, Cheney, Obama, Clinton and their skype overlords responsible for hundreds of thousands of innocent lives being lost in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Ukraine

>Russia may or may not have accidentally shot down a passenger plane once

>THOSE INHUMAN MONSTERS!!!!!!

>honestly the responsible party should be the airline company for flying in missile range of combat zone

This.

Everyone knows agriculture is the key to a strong and stable economy.

kek Is your Lada running?

Better go catch it!

No worries, I'm sure he got a medal for testing out their antiquated SAM.

"Missile is not blow up on launch!!! Great success!"

>What I think - Girkin talking about
>Girkin
>literally a group created by some no-name who posted under this title
Next time you say God is real because he has twitter account.

Thanks.

Fuck off dude, even rebels don't bother to deny that our soliders carried them in Ilovask and Debaltsevo.
Being soldier in Russia is so fucking bad, you do a great job and carry some incompetent fucks and media figures like Givi and Motorola and then they take all the credit and you get nothing.

Look it up you chink. Putin said "if NATO members secure the crash site this is considered military involvement in Ukraine conflict and allows Russia to respond accordingly to protect our people".

Remember shortly before this the CIA supposedly hijacked Ukraine and was crucifying Russian children.

Same old bullshit. Sure, there are volunteers, but regular units of Russian army also partook in the fighting, otherwise it is not possible to explain the surge in Russian military deaths (fresh graves), also captured VDV faggots who were claimed to have lost directions.

We will once we elect The Donald. First strike is on the table!

Yes also don't be fooled; Deutsche Bank is not very Deutsch anymore these days. HQ still in Frankfurt but that's about it.
People believe it's a national (some even central) bank, but it really isn't.

There's some memorial in Nieuwegein I think, go trash it you fucking leftist.

lot of shady shit. The reckoning that's coming to it may mortally damage it forever.

The plane was full of white 1st world people, that's the killer.

Pol, that's stupid fake.

Why though. I could understand Russia being directly responsible because their men fired the missile, but even if that is the case, what reason would they have? I strongly doubt Russia intentionally shot down a plane full of civilians, so there must be more to it.
Maybe they were indeed baited into it by false intel. In which case it was likely the USA who is behind it, trying to get the world to blame Russia.
It's all so extremely suspicious on all sides.

THANK YOU BASED BUK

Actually, they did pretty well fucking up Ukr airforce from the very beginning even with rusty MANPADs.

And MANPADs can't shoot down a commercial airliner flying at 30,000 feet.
And so they had to manufacture a story about some mysterious BUK entering and leaving on the same day, a BUK nobody actually saw anywhere and no US/EU sattelite detected.

While the Ukrs have 2 platoons of BUKs sitting nearby, but it's not like the Ukr military has a reputation for shooting down commercial airliners, right?

Right?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_Airlines_Flight_1812

This Russian is woke af, you're the hope of the country, tovarisch

been reading into this from day one, had the dutch site fav. and went to the site often(never anything new until 2 months after they said they would have a report, they said not enogh evidence but the sep. did it.....goodbye, case closed.
so ya I've read into this shill.....have you?

It did what all major banks do (i.e. major fraud), the difference being that it's not us owned, so SEC and DOJ actually had balls to pursue actions against them and hit them with huge fines.

Not realy, it makes anyone with an attention span longer that that of a fruit fly or a russian stop believing anything you say, eben if you are right for once

What are you bullshitting about? They were very clear on what reports they were going to make.

>had balls to pursue actions

You mean "thought it was about time to tank the european economy and set the stage for world war".

Bank reserves drying up? Forex is up. You mean the basic reserve fund? One where Russia is one of the few countries who has one?

Employment rising isn't a bad thing. More people working, the better.

> In which case it was likely the USA who is behind it, trying to get the world to blame Russia.
People like you are also the ones protesting that Michiel de Ruyte rmovie because it's racism and basically take any chance to shit on the Netherlands.

Have some respect for the relatives of those who died and stop spouting all this nonsense.

>find dead person on the street
>one goggle in 20 Km radius somewhere in the forest spotted by spy satellite (btw we won't show images to you because muh security)
>Ukies dindu nuffing even if they deployed AA there and then and lead civilian plane from it's standard course and into war zone and there were spotted military jets at the time of crashing
Yeah, right.

>lose argument
>ad hominems
>look it up

Welp that wraps up my conversation with you, and this is coming from a Malaysian who lost someone in the crash.

Thanks for proving to all of us that you are biased, uninformed and solely listens to one source.

Also NATO didn't even announce any investigation; it was OSCE and it was the rebels who denied access, not Russia.

Multiple American banks had to pay fines of equal size.

224 people died in the russian plane shot down over Egypt. Adding the 50 people killed in Orlando, then we go over with Paris. This comes to mind.

>lost someone
Your anime pillow?

And once again, Russia's logic was that if the Netherlands were to send military units to the crash site this would be a NATO intervention.

>224 people
>russian plane
>224 russians
what fucking people? That was payback.

WOW
this stupid
or your being paid to post?

But they knew they had the liquidity. They knew Deutsche Bank doesn't.

>get btfo
>ad hominems

Okay Henk.

What? I'm just questioning the whole affair because it stinks. The US is always stirring shit in the world and the whole Ukraine war started (iirc) because the US secretly pushed for a US-friendly government.
I wouldn't put them above such vile acts.

Of course the fake footage Russia provided is suspicious as well, but I can imagine them panicking and trying to clear themselves from the blame. Shitty attempt though.

this is the only thing comparable
>The norm under rules set down by the United Nation’s civil aviation body (ICAO) is that an air investigation is led by the state in whose territory the plane crash, but Russia had said that Ukraine should not take charge because the rebels who control the crash site did not trust the authorities in Kiev.

russian investigators did cooperate with the forensics teams but they were no included in the evaluation phase which is very biased because from the get go russia was blaimed.

>even rebels don't bother to deny that our soliders carried them

what a difference to them between our regular and our mercs?
some of them consider them self as "russian soldiers"
u know what i mean

While we are at it, I remind you that Information Forces of Ukraine are accepting volonteers to shitpost:
i-army.org/

Do your duty - join the fight today!

What bank 3 times the size of the EU economy doesn't have a spare 14 billion $
Calm down you faggots. Read up what 'NATO' is and why Putin doesn't want them involved in the conflict in eastern-Ukraine.
You might learn a few things, but I doubt it interests Americans and Americans with moon in flag.

>Ceasefire breaks down after US directly attacks Assad forces
>US blames Russia and Assad for the breakdown after they respond in kind a day or 2 later
>Barely a week later this flight over Ukraine from 2 years ago suddenly is being prosecuted again
I honestly hate noticing this stuff so easily sometimes.

If I could go back in time, I would tell your mother to hug you more often as a child

Weird how noone seems to mention that. Its like peoplw believe its the rational thing to do to fly over a war zone, have a nice walk in the sunset on the minefield while the bullets are happily flying around you.

I know it sounds like tinfoilhatalert, but is it possible they had some ukrainian secretagent, or multiple ones since it is apparently not that easy to shoot such a BUK or among the seperatists who shot down the plane on purpose to shine a bad light onto the seperatist. Because other than that i see no logical explenation on why you would send planes over a warzone except for enabling that scenario

> maybe (just maybe) this is murica?..
> reeeee have some respects!
Wtf man?

Yes. I know some of nazists retarded from moskow and nijhniy novgorod who comes to donetsk. But, also i know about radical idiotism from bothel sides. For example we have information about letaly alcohol intoxication in Ukrainian regulars. It cause 500 death per mounth.
I must it is assume, about missle launch from drunken soldiers.

>crash in Ukraine
>dead people from Netherlands, Malaysia, GB, Belgium, Straya
"HOW DARE YOU NOT INCLUDE RUSSIA EVEN THOUGH THE RULES SET BY TE ICAO CLEARLY STATE RUSSIA DOES NOT HAVE TO BE INCLUDED"

kek, cucked by a buk in butt what the fuck

I would see it as karma actually.
Jihad in Syria -> Russian FSB issues passports with new names to known jihadists with condition they fuck off to Syria -> Zoich 2014 much success!! -> jihadists strike back at Russia -> BUT HOW COULD THIS HABBEN?!!

You literally what nether-nigger?

They killed at least 300 people in the last 6 months.

Now fuck off tulip-fag.

I unironically considered that Russian plane crash to be karma.

What 300 people died? Unless you are autistic enough to consider Americans and Russians humans.

>48 posts by this id
You need to relax JDF, take a smoke break

they had the pilminary report
and follow up report
then nothing until oct.2015 that stated not enough evidence, but the separatists did it

My country's airlines was shot down and affected my country.

NATO has no involvement and only OSCE.

But you don't know this because maybe you're underaged or very misinformed. Nevertheless, you spewing ad hominems prove that you're not here for a serious discussion on the topic.