Is depression a meme invented by the pharma industry to have people buy their "medicine"?

Anyone else enjoy some tasty venison?

Because brain chemistry isn't a thing right? Do some fucking research before you get up on your high horse.

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Why couldn't you be a bit faster, would have been fpbp

BRAIN CHEMISTRY IS A BIG PHARAM CONSIPIRACY TO PUT DOWN THE WHITE RACE.

Fuck off ""depressed"" loser, go meme that somewhere else.

Calling depression an inescapable illness creates a mindset that makes people feel like they're unable to save themselves from being sad. It's a trap that the weak minded fall into because they're told they can't help it, which causes a defeatist attitude and lack of willpower to go out and change their situation. The more you sit around moping, the worst your life gets, which makes you more depressed and wanting to avoid responsibility.

Being depressed for a short period of time related to tragedy in your life is normal, but the years long struggle where you dig yourself deeper in is pathetic.

depression isn't "i feel sad/unhappy/down" you dumb shit.

That's a cute doe, doe

Name 1 ONE difference about being depressed rather than deeply saddened for the same amount of time.

>unable to get reward or satisfaction out of any action
>nothing seems fun
>no emotions, no feelings of love or bonding, no anything
>imagine being immensely bored, apply that to everything in your life
>nothing you do seems to make it go away

Yeah just man up

>puts person under the constant stress of modern civilisation
>person gets depressed
>IT MUST BE BRAIN CHEMISTRY, WHY WOULD HE BE DEPRESSED

Depression is real, but the medicine is a meme.

with depression you don't usually cry

He said depression not autism/adhd

Wrong, I feel great within a few days after I restart fluoxetine. Depression is real and antidepressants can work.

Classic canada.

>literally taking happy pills

Good goy

>friend starts taking antidepressants

>has an obese, ugly, annoying girlfriend
>she is over literally 24/7
>works at what is basically mcdonalds
>gets paid fuck all
>never goes out
>never sees friends
>smokes maybe 6-7 cones a day
>has depression and anxiety

antidepressants are the pharmaceutical jew. people get tricked into taking them instead of really evaluating the reason they are unhappy to begin with. taking a drug to change the way your brain works and not changing your living situation is idiotic to the highest degree. his entire life is totally embarrassing and it's verging on pathetic.

dpression is real, medicine can work if it isn't a sugar pill. Therapists are a meme, just a way to get liberal arts majors a job talking bullshit all day.

Depression is the natural response to this sick degenerate society we live in.

40% of people need the physical structure of their brains altered to live in this society.
The amazing thing is that people continue to believe the issue is with each medicated individual and not the society.

This world sucks, ladies and gentlemen.

this deer is so fucking cute dude!

> deer= the niggers of the forest

Depression is the natural result of living in an identity-less, cultural marxist hell. Our depression numbers would fall like the number of people without AIDS in Africa if we implemented some social measures based around national and cultural identity.

psychotherapy only works if you take a dose of MDMA before you start talking, otherwise it's a waste of money.

You don't feel anything, just apathy.
That's also why some depressed people become heroes, because they just don't care anymore.

t. niggers of europe

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>i take pills to block out reality

I want to fuck that deer, really hard

It's just our animal brains not knowing how to deal with technological-industrial society and everything it entails, such is the case for 90% of other mental ''illnesses''

I had some anxious tendencies for awhile and my doctor prescribed me paxil. I admit that it did work, but also made me feel apathetic about everything. Now that I no longer take it, I still feel anxious over litterally nothing, mostly finances even though im doing fine, but I manage it better.

the reason you have no dopamine in your brain is because you have nothing stimulating it or you have over stimulation

if you have nothing you truly want in your life then you wont be happy, and if you are masturbating and indulging in drugs too much that could cause it

nobody is just genetically their brain just doesnt produce dopamine

its the fact that YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING TO STIMULATE IT

you dont work on a farm and get the fruits of your toil you dont have a loving wife and white children in a beautiful world

u have shit on a plate as a life
and everyone is gay and theres nothing to do

or your peers or parents are persecuting you but you havent yet identified it

its caused by a shit world not because you need this substance your brain is lacking. no your brain is lacking that substance because that substance is produced when you experience happiness

not because its unable to produce it

I'm basically that. Am I retarded ? I feel incredibly heartless and have always been unfortunate to never 'love' a girl when she does me. I'm not even trying to a be an edgy mgtow dude...these are quality redpilled girls.

>that long tongue

These things are essentially dogs with hooves.

"reality"
We don't live in the stone age anymore. Most problems depression used to be useful for back then don't exist anymore. Life is comfy so I might as well feel comfy.

I have yo money!

t. person who has never seen a person with clinical depression in their life.

Also i forgot the number one thing, you were probably raised by a single mother or without a dad in your life which automatically throws you a curveball because humans arent supposed to be raised like that which guarantees you problems

i have clinical depressing you fuck tard, and social anxiety, and possibly asbergers.

but i know its because i was raised by a evil witch mother who didnt have my back and who was actually secretly wanting to see me fail

That's definitely one cause of depression, yes. I've been there too. But it's not the whole picture.

>is depression a meme
No and yes. I've worked in a psych ward, there is such a thing as depression an I hope nobody I know ever gets it. Those people who literally become retarded due to their brains malfunctioning, feeling absolutely flat and in some sort of permanent invisible pain unable to do anything but whimper or stare.
Meds are for those people, and those people only.

Then there is the meme depression
>OMG last winter I was so depressed I didn't see anyone and all I could do was watch game of thrones
>after he left me I got so depressed I ate so much and gained 20 pounds
Meme-tier. Not saying these people don't feel bad, but feeling bad is an entirely normal part of human existence that people now make out to be "illness".

Then there is:
>I don't know what to do with my life, I have zero motivation, I fap and drink too much, I am living in a shitty situation and / or lonely as fuck
Which is on the fence and sometimes evolves to the full blown thing. This is danger-zone. Medication actually works as a band aid but doesn't solve the problem. Those people need a couple of mental skills nobody teaches anyone about anymore like mental resilience and gratification delaying, which you can learn in certain therapies. I don't think this ting ever goes away fully.
Loneliness is a direct result of how the world has changed, fragmented, no more communities. Lack of direction, no perspective, ecological / housing / market crises abound. A lot of people are somewhat on this scale.

you don't have depression you have severe autism

No depression is real.

I'm depressed as fuck right now and I plan to kill myself after the election. Because even though I really like Trump and want him to MAGA -- I realized this life isn't for me. No matter how hard I try to /improve/ it seems like I'll never catch up to my peers.

I'm a loser and I'm sick of being a loser.

people with "Depression" are actually more normal and better empathetic people

because they see the world for what it is, shit. and they can identify whats wrong with the world.

wheras someone who wants to go on anti-depressants is a reptilian and wants to conform to the cyborgs of society

if you take antidepressants you pretty much just sold your soul out

in my opinion

Made up people are weak and pathetic.

Definitely not a meme. The meds, however, yes. They may help in cases but there are better alternatives. For example St. Johns Wort has the same effect and a lot less side effects.

>I'm a loser and I'm sick of being a loser.

you have depression because you are a "loser" and you lost at life

so depression ISNT real.

its a result of a situation in life and you just admitted it

the mainstream idea is that depression is random and its just a chemical imbalance that showed up one day and you need to replace that chemical with pills

actually no we need to make life a better place for everyone

including helping you get to the position in life that you desire. it might feel unachievable

and nobody is there to help

Brain chemistry is a badly presented, not fully understood theory of why antidepressants work. We had medication before we knew how they worked, and we came up with that and so far it sort of holds but it's pretty clear that's not the entire story. It doesn't make full sense of all the other things that happen during depression (slow reaction speed, sleep disturbances, appetite loss / out of control, shrinking of certain brain areas,...)

>feeling absolutely flat and in some sort of permanent invisible pain unable to do anything but whimper or stare.

that sounds more like catatonic schizophrenia

>unable to do anything but whimper or stare
Sounds like all teenage girls who just stare at their phones desu

What pisses me off about the industry is that it defines the meaning of life for you. Happiness/sadness are your personal indicators in life of how to live it.

Having a pill to avoid feeling this happiness/sadness is just the same as removing the compass from the ship, you are sailing.

The industry is basically telling you that the compass is your bad guy.

Yes and no. Whether you think the world is shit depends on your subjective experience of it. World is neither great or shit. It just is.

When depressed you can't focus on the good stuff, so you inherently think the world is shit, becaise you're not cabable of experiencing it as anything else than that.

I know it seems like a veil has been lifted and you finally see the truth, but ultmately it's delusion. You believe the negative part of the experience is the whole experience.

>people with "Depression" are actually more normal and better empathetic people
no that's autism

There was a great programme on the BBC last night

It was called "The Doctor Who Gave Up Drugs" (pic related)

He was treating people with depression (and other things) and was basically saying big pharma is shitty, they bribe doctors to use their medications, and you should stop taking stupid pills.

Instead you should do exercise and socialise, which are much better cures for depression/chronic pain/general health, than stupid pills.

Heavily depressed people stop moving or having energy to get out of bed, go pee, walk, eat. I've seen it happen. The person is fully conscious and will react if you talk to them or ask them to lift a hand or so. Catatonia is something else.

Depression is caused by being a sloppy fat fuck or a low test bitch. Put down the ice cream, bin the pills and get some exercise you lazy fucks.

This is true

I wouldn't say people with depression are more empathetic... that's just not true. Especially since so many men get depressed and men generally are not empathetic.

So what you are saying is, that feeling good/bad is not because of a sitaution, but because of your reaction to a situation.

And you can alter that reaction chemically

people need a roof on their head of their own and loving support from other humans and without the fear of abandonment

nobody got that because theres not a nuclear family christian unit anymore

no. you are denying what is going on in someones life

they might be being abused.

for me , i cant enjoy anything because i know i could be kicked out of my parents house at any minute

thats what causes me to not enjoy anything because it trumps anything good. the idea that i can be removed and thrown outside and i dont have the freedom to change the channel on tv or whatever because i live with someone else

i dont have that pure freedom that you need as a person

THEYRE LIFE OBJECTIVELY SUCKS whatever problems they have. its different for everyone.

and there is no veil. you cant be happy when you live in a prison cell

Exercise is great and I would advise it to absolutely every person who feels depressed, but that's not how you motivate depressed people.

Who cares how to motivate depressed people? They're weak - let them kill themselves so we have only the strongest genes in the gene pool.

>i cant enjoy anything because i know i could be kicked out of my parents house at any minute

hence you don't have depression, you are in an abusive home and project you're insecurities onto other people (^:

In many cases that is true. If somebody shows you the middle finger, it is not him who's making you angry but yourself with your own reaction to it You can learn to choose how you react to adversity.

smoke some weed dawhg

>t. a mentally ill retard in denial

Go take your meds.

Many people live in nearly identical situation than you do and are perfectly happy. Some are happy even with less.

Claiming you have no power over how you feel is just a defeatist attitude. Your life can suck only subjectively.

>They're weak - let them kill themselves so we have only the strongest genes in the gene pool.

Let's all listen to this sociopath.

>"Uh what, I wasn't sleeping. I was merely resting me e-eyes, see"
>* lick lick*
>Goes back to sleep

Stupid giraffe. Don't they know they will get a sore neck when they wake up sleeping like that...

It's not the freedom that is the issue user, it's the uncertainty and the complete conditionality of whatever relationship you have with whatever parents houses you.
The best way to render a rat completely insane is the give them electric shocks that they don't know when they are coming, for example with an electrified floor and no warning, and a radon sequence. Another rat kept in the same cage but with a lamp that lights up x time before the electric shock actually fares much better.

A typical characteristic of abuse is how random it is. You try your best to be a good boy, like the crazy rat, you do everything you can think of to prevent these things, but in the end it's not predictable and that destroys your psyche. This is why mental illness or instability in mothers breeds instability in the children. There is no telling if mom will be there when you scraped your knee or if she will yell at you for ruining your pants.

what would have happened if they gave poe or lovecraft antidepressants?

except he's right, eugenics works.
the problem is that you can't trust governments to be in charge of that.

your not welcomed in /ic/ anymore.

Stop comparing yourself to others and you should feel alot better senpai

no you guys are sick and evil and dont want to ackowledge the existance of evil

because you yourselves are abusing other people in your life

or would like to when you have power in the future when you have kids or whatever

thats the truth.

nobody can be happy when someone is on their neck about throwing them out onto the street

its an unlivable situation

because you are not being supported

a lot of the problems come from poverty......

people in poverty are objectively less happy its a statistical fact

Kek, you'd be fun to have as a patient, though guy. Good luck onwards with your life, never tolerating human weakness in others or yourself.

they'd write about how they were tripping fucking balls since they are taking happy pills.

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psychological projection: the post

Where are these assumptions coming from? I could just aswell say the same about you.

You're not the only miserable one in this thread. Believing so is very narcisstic.

>calls me a sociopath

>literally a word invented by bottom-feeding cucks who are jealous of, and mad at, people who are physically, genetically stronger than them

TOP KEK

You're a faggot.

Not an argument.

let kids be kids

Hang yourself.

>is this well documented and defined mental illness a meme made up by the jews?
please stop making these stupid, pointless threads

S A G E please

Ready for the brutal redpill?

Antidepressants erase the curiosity and drive of a person. That's why when you get a subscription from the doctor they always say it will take "getting used to" the 'side effects'.

Wanna hear a worse redpill? If you ever took antidepressants than the damage is already done to an extent.

Enjoy being the empty shell of who you once were.

if you believe youre depressed for "no reason" then you havnt identified the true reason

im atleast honest and know exactly what causees my depression. which has been diagnosed by a doctor and im trying to get social security for it right now.........

i atleast know what causes my depression

because im not a fool who is dying to take pills and drown out his existence

its lack of freedom and prosperity in my life

if i had my own apartment. and a stable income

i would be happy as a clam

but when youre in negative money in your bank account and your mom is telling you youre going to go sleep on the side walk tonight and you have no friends

and you got nothing left, well you cant really be happy

He's too much wrapped up dealing with his own reality and keeping it all together to have the space to consider other points of view. He's grown accustomed to his abusive home situation and needs to keep his ego alive by saying he has no agency, but if he's staying he has agreed to be the recipient of that treatment so somewhere something needs to click that he is worth more than this miserable existence. And then the difficult training of learning to push through disagreeable emotions. Never happens for some.

You don't get these guys out of there by telling them it's not true and their vision is wrong.

Also not an argument.

Kek, "mental illness". It's an emotion.

Look at pic related. Does this mean 20 minute walks are "mental illness" too?

Yeah it is.

If you delete the dramatic tone, then this is what I basically believe

Okay mister übermensch, see you in my office next week at 1pm.

It's to trick guilt ridden white males to go on SSRIs while their race gets exterminated

>if you believe youre depressed for "no reason" then you havnt identified the true reason

But I don't. Neither am I depressed at the moment. I have, however, spent enough time in my life depressed to offer you potentially helpful words.

Whether you find them of any use is up to you. I hope you do.

I know you're working hard for it, so here's your (you)

Psychologist here

McFucking kill yourself

>Does this mean 20 minute walks are "mental illness" too?
In America it does.

>that's not how you motivate depressed people

How in the fuck do you motivate depressed people? I've given up trying, I just nod and make reassuring noises and pretend to give a shit now. If people wanted help they'd help themselves like I did when I got bored of being a useless unwashed waste of blood and organs. Pills were shit, therapy was a joke and the only thing that worked was running and lifting like a mad cunt.

>guilt ridden
Can confirm that I've seen a couple of guys now who go "how can I even live with myself and my impulses as a dude" (ie sex, violence)

yes, depression and anxiety in men is caused by low testosterone

taking TRT does far more to fix depression than any drug ever could

also there is this thing called tolerance which means that antidepressants literally do nothing after a few weeks and you end up needing to take them just to feel normal

>literally cannot present an argument

I'm laughing right now pham.

Look, your brain scan changes when you meditate! According to your logic, meditation is a mental illness too!

yup youre a zombie you sold your soul

you have no forethought

would rather fuck up their brain permanently for a season of peace

and you could of took natural remedies instead
to make you calm down

but nope they go straight to the satanic pills of death at the doctor and believe everything they say even though nobody even knows whats happening

"hurr im depressed because a chemical imbalance randomlly genetically for no reason" is like saying your a fat obese 400 lbs cow because your genetics

no its all conditions and cause and effect

if you live in shit , you wont be happy

islam countries are the least happy why? because they live in fear and control with lack of freedom

>someone who makes money out of convincing people they have a psychological problem that needs to be addressed (for the low price of $200 a session)

>going to give an objective opinion

Yeah, no.

jesus fucking christ
i better go do some pushups or something..

>Psychologist here

your entire field is a hoax and now youre trapped and forced to continue because you have committed so much to it

keep spreading brain destroying pills to people with your irrational beliefs

i feel bad for you

>"hurr im depressed because a chemical imbalance randomlly genetically for no reason"

Can you at least read? Nowhere have I said something like that. So who are you arguing with?

I have nothing but sympathy for you. But if you truly want to improve your situation, you're going to have to change your attitude.

here (you) go buddy, I understand that you have real psychological needs and right now you need attention for some reason, probably because you have no friends to give it to you. Have some more for free

(you)

(you)

You want to know a sad fact ? People in 'poor' countries i.e Africa and stuff are reportedly happier than us, look it up
Being unhappy is a luxury pal, it means you have alternatives

I work two days a week in a free clinic and practice on a sliding scale payrate

I've been through two residencies and five years of graduate school and seen people from every walk of life

I completely understand the stigma around psychologists and agree with some of them like how Freud was a jackass quack, but get bent if you think mental illness is just some meme or some entirely context based phenomena

because you would dehydrate after years of crying

You got it down more or less. Everyone has a breaking point where they hate being such a useless miserable waste of carbon atoms that they either grab a bike, run, start punching things OR they off themselves. Trick is to keep that sort of cold rage going for some, then we can start dealing with why they got depressed (protip: it's often your parents and upbringing)

Aside from that it's basically being a "have you tried x?" ... "How did that make you feel?" machine, letting them come to it naturally. Tone and such depends on type of therapy on top of it.

Depressed people are generally very hard on themselves already, while doing nothing about it, because their self loathing is at least something they know and in a weird sense it's comfortable.

>can't even argue like an adult

>has to resort to ad hominem attacks

>can't even bear to scrutinise his own ideas

Female sexual enjoyment is a mental illness too pham.

Psychologist, not psychiatrist.

You're one of many. The doors always open whenever you need it.

its not all attitude some hills are too large to climb which causes depression due to the fact of insurmountably

its too hard to acquire a good job and a place to live

theres too much competition too many immigrants

too low wages

too high rent, too high bills , not enough jobs

it starts to become NOT WORTH IT, which is why you see men starting to drop out and start playing video games all day

its because its objectively not worth it, and then you get depression because they end up with nothing in their life

of course mental illness actually exists. depression is a meme though

(you)

I have depression that started affecting my life in highschool.
I had good grades, friends, no bullying, girls told me I was cute and kept trying to talk to me,
my parents were supportive and I had a lot of friends at church.
But I couldn't feel excited or happy no matter what. Even when doing fun things with my friends, people I felt comfortable around.
Sometimes in the middle of class while I was focusing on working I'd feel an overwhelming sadness and would have to leave to cry in the washroom.

I believe it's normal to feel depressed when bad things happen or if you keep thinking bad thoughts.
But I kept thinking good thoughts and things were going great, and I still felt bad enough to harm myself and seriously consider ending my life.

psychologist who ultimately gives you a shitty ultimatum of HERE TAKE THESE PILLS HERES THE REFERALL TO THE PSYCHIATRIST

ive been to dozens of psycholigists over the years retard they have tiny IQs they dont know what theyre talking about

theyre politically correct shills for a profit

how come they never tried to ACTUALLY help me get out of my problems? they just want to talk and say its all in your attitude and you need drugs to fix your brain instead of the actual legitimate economic prospects and my mom persecuting me

If the hills seem insurmountable, then don't attempt to climb them. It's OK. Seek to fully accept your current situation instead. Trying to constantly swim upstream is very fatiguing, like you have noticed.

Everything is as it should be. Once you can fully internalize this, it becomes much easier to start thinking what you CAN change, instead of brooding over what you can't change.

At that point you may even realize that you have more power in your hands than you previously thought.

>some entirely context based phenomena

If we're talking depression, it almost entirely is.

Genetics pretty much never cause depression. All scientists can say is that they can sometimes make people "more susceptible" to depression, but they can't even demonstrate the physical mechanism by which this takes place. Their only evidence for this is supposed hereditism.

Depression is almost entirely caused by the environment. Apart from physical injuries to the brain like encephalitis or repeated concussion, which can make people more irritable, and in term, sometimes more depressed too.

Do you have any sort of argument? Why should I believe you? Or are you just going to continue being a child?

>I completely understand the stigma around psychologists and agree with some of them like how Freud was a jackass quack,
What the fuck? Freud was a god damn genius, he was so far ahead of his time.

well then you need to think harder
its not an invisible problem

maybe youre sick of 3rd world children dying for no reason

or because you dont know your creator

people in a prison cell no matter what they do they are still in prison

you cant blame them for being depressed

how about no, let them out of the jail cell

lmao

Depression, anxiety, and neetism in general are the symptoms of the first wave of humanity's Behavioral Sink.

No. But I'd like to point out that 'depression' is an umbrella term that is brought on by other disorders like various anxiety disorders, insomnia etc.

It's general public conception is certainly out of whack, but I can most definitely assure you it's real and can in some cases be extremely debilitating

The issue with said public perception is certainly in some ways the fault of the scientific (or more accurately business-side) community of psychology, but it's also heavily misconstrued and improperly reported on by the media and from attention seeking mildly upset adolescents.

But again, the presence of a number of bad eggs does not mean the core is fantasy. Clinical depression does exist.

(you)

people dont like me and treat me like an outcast ever since i was a child. its like that one seinfeld episode where everyone dislikes jerrys new girlfriend despite there being no obvious problem with her

when no one ever validates your existence its a very painful life

i was at a naturopathy one time. he couldn't even prescribe real medicaments. as he started to tell stories about JFK sniffing cocaine and fucking bitches i left his treatment

I wish it was.

I want to caress that deer.

>was at a naturopathy one time. he couldn't even prescribe real medicaments.

you dont need a prescription for homeopathy

take turmeric or saint johns wort or something else

its a simple good search away "natural depression remedies" and then you go to the drug store and you buy them off the shelf

Nobody pays any attention to you because you are in all likelihood weird as fuck. Get on meds. Not being ironic, medication can help you chill out and do better in social situations.

I'm off duty and you're not listening, so here it is, because sometimes I want to scream this at all the little shits that I have in my office.

The problem is not whatever shitty rational conclusion you have to believe in so hard, you deluded little turd. It's not the immigrants it's not the economy or the wages, all those play a part but in the end it's you. It's you sitting on your ass, it's you not looking for jobs, it's you being too fucking comfortable sitting in that miserable place and being fed and going "IM DEPRESSED YOU CANT MAKE ME"
Do you think Pablo and Pedro enjoy running behind garbage and sleeping in a dingy apartment with 15 other Mexicans? But they do it because they have no choice. You can make a step to fuck off out of there any day, you can start looking for jobs, roomies, save for a trailer if being home makes you miserable - just move out, live with an aunt for all I care but at no point will you do something without saying "but I can't!" Well fucking stay then, and be miserable and remember to bring me 100 euros every damn week until you reach the exact same conclusion as this.

I know this won't motivate you and you'll reply and whine for ages but Jesus some days I need to unload from that sort of fuckers.

People in prison have many times found happiness, even a sense of purpose or a connection with a god. Once agan, you're subconsciously undermininig your own potential by feeding on bullshit.

I won't be replying to you any more, since it's difficult to help someone with that kind of attitude over the internet.

But I wish the best for you user. Hopefully you will get better before its too late.

>in all likelihood weird as fuck

hes weird as fuck because of the judgment and the bullying

you need positive feedback or it will feel like everything you say no matter what you do is "wrong" because nobody was ever a loving friend of you

nobody is "weird" thats actually a cover up of your satanic activies in the normy realm to act like YOU GUYS are all normal and anyone with a little anxiety because you keep being harsh as fuck towards them its all their fault

I apologize if you've had psychologists who actually have tried to just pass you off to a psychiatrist for medicinal reasons, as I disagree with that practice. As a psychologist, though, you typically don't have prescription granting privledges barring some minor things in a few states (and only just recently).
It sounds like what you needed more than a traditional psychotherapy based treatment was more of a resource and outreach based one. There are absolutely many clients with different disorders that really don't need all of the therapy part of it and do just need someone to help organize different aspects of their life such as helping them find a job or helping them with specific, teachable life skills. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people in the field who lose sight of that and treat it like the medical model where there's a definitive answer for a definitive problem.
I sincerely apologize that that has been your experience, and for what it's worth it frustrates a good deal of more understanding psychologists in the field as well.

>medication can help you chill out and do better in social situations.
i got no problems with social situations

So that's a no?

on second though i hope lowtax does actually indeed wipe this piece of shit board off the face of the earth

because i know wishing for plenty of and high quality reliable moderators is way way too much to hope for

>nobody is "weird"
I agree, but most people don't.

Oh. Well what's the problem then?

>all you need to do is mellow out man

>is air a meme invented by god to have people 'live'?

(you)'re starting to slack off user, you're going to have to try harder for your (you) next time

>Oh. Well what's the problem then?

People simply dont want me in their lives beyond basic small talk

I just wanted to establish that you had no argument, and now we've established that. Good day to you.

Pretty much yeah. Living with anxiety means you can't even think straight. Since getting on meds I've regained control over my life. I was very skeptical as well until it worked for me. Sadly picking the right medication can be tricky and too many people give up when the first choice doesn't work for them.

Its possible that we inherited the genetic sequence for depression from Neanderthals srs.

If you let it rob you of time, its a bad thing. I would advise against taking antidepressants.

Why?

>unhealthy obsession with sex

Why not just live a better life? Get into exercise. Make friends. Do shit. Instead of quite literally using chemicals to poison your mind so that you don't have to think your own thoughts anymore.

well mexicans arent exactly happy people either

so youre telling me, GO BECOME MORE UNHAPPY

how will that make me happy?

and like i said you cant just GO GET A JOB AND GO GET A PLACE TO LIVE the world isnt like that. it takes a tremendous mountain of things to overcome to get to a stage where youre self sustainable in life

i dont have any people i can call up and go live with

and with more and more families separating and the economy getting worse it becomes all the more harder

i never said it was impossible just that more and more men are dropping out of society to play video games because of this lack of good prospects

and maybe your clients are actually correct in saying that they have a problem with immigrants or something. which is an underlying problem.

i dont even want to go outside with people i dont relate with (blacks, mexicans etc) whats the point i dont like being around these people it takes my motivation away

you yourself are the problem. and you have a degree in psychology and thats where your profit comes from , so thats why you defend it. because youre self interest

I don't buy too deeply into the genetics meme either, but there's more than just genetics and context when it comes to it forming. I do wholeheartedly agree that context is a major, major part of it, but even that unique context can lead to a more unified or discernible condition which is referred to as depression.
Part of the issue is that, unlike a flu where symptoms will be the same almost every time, mental illnesses like depression often manifest in variable ways. There's a set number of symptoms that need to be present, but they're certainly not always the same and they don't always manifest the same way.
In regards to his advocacy of mental health in general and his realizations about how therapy could have a lasting impact, sure, but he pulled a fucking he'll of a lot of psychodynamics out of his ass in my assessment. We may not know everything now either, but much of Freud's actual therapy was pretty misinformed and he didn't really give a shit.
Then again, I'm more CBT, so my bias is clearly present.

psychiatry was cooked up by this jew Bernays to drug political dissidents

>Its possible that we inherited the genetic sequence for depression from Neanderthals srs.

99% of modern depression is caused by the modern world being shit, and people living unnatural lives (glued to a TV instead of working on a farm, performing physically rewarding manual labour)

You are thinking entirely wrongly about depression if you think it's "genetically caused". It's not. It's caused by your environment.

Depression is definitely real and can be observed via MRI scans of the brain.
Anti-depressants do work, but only in certain cases of depression.

And therein lies the problem, big pharma pushes for everyone who is depressed to take their good goy pills, regardless if they need them or not.
It also doesn't help that big pharma markets antidepressants as a "cure all sadness/anxiety/etc" pill.

I believe a minority of depression cases actually require medication, most types can be treated with therapy. But that isn't in big pharma's interests.

Why are you so upset?

>People in prison have many times found happiness

lets see you do it. lets lock you up

go get that self control and patience to find purpose in staring at a concrete wall and steel bars all day for years

you must be like a super master of the mind buddhist zen tier or something because i know i would go full fucking nuts in that place

Doesn't really work like that. You have no drive to do anything. Avoiding people and being a little bitch comes as a reflex, it can be very hard if not impossible to climb out of that on your own.

>poison your mind
Not poisoning, improving.

>you don't have to think your own thoughts anymore.
Quite the contrary, I can now finally think again. Before, I saw the worst in everything and constantly overthought everything. Now I approach things with a rational and clear head.

the fuck i know

when they talk shit about me they seem to paint a picture of me as beta choir boy with no life experience with mannerisms from the 1950s

in actuality its quite the opposite. ive travelled a lot, done extreme outdoor sports, pumped and dumped girls while on the road and run an online business on the side. as for being uptight ive been on this site for 10 years so yeah i am not innocent

lol the CTR staff has all the restorations it needs user! have a nice day!

What kind of dog is that?

Tom Cruise doesn't think so

>even that unique context can lead to a more unified or discernible condition which is referred to as depression.
Depression isn't a condition. It's a mood. MDD and bipolar are "conditions".

>Part of the issue is that, unlike a flu where symptoms will be the same almost every time, mental illnesses like depression often manifest in variable ways. There's a set number of symptoms that need to be present, but they're certainly not always the same and they don't always manifest the same way.
That's because depression is nothing like the flu. The flu is an infectious disease caused by a virus. Depression is a mood.

You sound fairly well adjusted to me, perhaps you just need to meet new people.

Eh, immigrants are part of it. All those shitty ghetto apartment blocks and neighborhoods in your city? The immigrants moved in there because they were cheap, and that's where they ALL moved. All those cheap apartments could be filled with European (or American) youth, but nobody wants to move in there because they know those apartments are filled with crime and they'd rather stay home because FUCK THAT.

Infrastructure, housing, jobs don't exactly spring up in the wake of these immigrants and refugees. They have to settle into preexisting shit, and they settle in right into the lowest classes of society, thus depriving our youth of their entry into society.

this. i cant believe they did all those for free hahahahahahahah

I think an extremely small percentage of people have a genuine chemical imbalance that causes depression.

99% of people on antidepressants are full of shit. Normie depression stems from a negative environment (cured by switching environments and getting your head together) and desire (wanting shit we don't or can't have. Even people with "everything" want something they don't have) which is cured by getting off your ass and working for it (too lazy to do it most of the time which makee you sad) or accepting that you can't have it and seeking the best alternative and being satisfied with it. Idc how any of you normie-depressed people feel about it stay mad.

>Depression is definitely real and can be observed via MRI scans of the brain.

A 20 minute walk can be observed via MRI scans of the brain: So according to your logic, 20 minute walks cause mental illness too.

ahahaha ebin comedy
so totally ebin
doubly comedic in your playing retarded

What's your online business about?

you dumbies already gave us a colored version we use in circulation now. why should i care?

Android App Development/Mobile Web Development

h-hi fellow d/ic/k h-h-ead!

>and can be observed via MRI scans of the brain.

because thestimulation in your brain is produced when you experience happiness in your life and when you dont have any happy things happening to you in life, you dont get any stimulation

thats why you observe this

its not because the brain is incapable of producing it

>Anti-depressants do work
no they dont they rob your brain even more and deplete you and leave you worse off

it works for a season while you fuck up your brain and then youre a permanent zombie who wishes they were never born

>Trying to interpret graphs you know nothing about

Wow you sure showed me, can you interpret my spectrum scan data from cell site surveys for me? I need to know how to configure the new LTE site.

Ding ding ding ding ding, the Swede gets it

Well it's refreshing to see you've actually looked into the topic. I used Depression in the stead of MDD for the most part on the assumption people in here wouldn't care about the difference, but yes. The point stands, though, in that MDD is still a variable condition that can manifest differently from person to person, more so than the traditional understanding of a medical illness.
I think we're subtly touching on one of the larger problems here, that being semantics of mental health and how it's described and understood between people in the field and people out of it. That's on us; we need to do an better job explaining go it more succinctly and advocating better understanding by the general public.

>Doesn't really work like that. You have no drive to do anything.
Get some drive.

>Avoiding people and being a little bitch comes as a reflex
Stop being a bitch.

>it can be very hard if not impossible to climb out of that on your own.
Why did you let yourself get that cucked in the first place?

>Not poisoning, improving.
You're literally poisoning your mind. It DOES NOT "improve" your mind in any way whatsoever. It is an artificial chemical that artificially alters your brain chemistry so that you don't have to think about the thoughts that you had, and will still have after you come off the medication.

SSRIs don't fix the emotional causes that created your depression in the first place. You are literally papering over a crack.

>Quite the contrary, I can now finally think again.
You're mentally weak and haven't got the stomach to face up to challenging emotions, like psychological pain. Guess what, we all have psychological pain, it's a necessary part of life.

So instead of facing up to them, and learning how to become mentally stronger, you decide to dull the challenging thoughts with an artificial chemical.

>Now I approach things with a rational and clear head.
You've suppressed your own emotions because society wanted you to. What you SHOULD have done is acted out. Because people would have taken you seriously then. They would have seen your anguish. You would have learnt valuable lessons about what happens when you do lash out, and how you can use your masculine energy for good.

But you didn't do that, because you're pathetic. You got too scared instead. So you took the pill, like a good little boy, to mentally castrate yourself.

I think I might be like user, but anyway weed doesn't work, it only heightens the misery. Its like throughout the day you are able to ignore the nagging miserable thoughts of your subconscious and enjoy the happy thoughts of daily life, but when you're high all of those deep down thoughts bubble to the surface and overwhelm you... Or at least that's what happens to me. Pot takes away my ability to control my thoughts and then the negative wins over.

>My life is great
>I am ok with life as it is
>therefore depression doesnt exist, it must be a meme

Kill yourself please.

>your argument is literally "depression is on an MRI scan so that means it's a real mental illness!"

>i challenge your logic by showing you that just because something shows up on an MRI scan, doesn't mean it's a mental illness

>you have no counter-argument to this attack, so you sperg out about something entirely irrelevant to my argument instead

U are 2 hard bro.. i will try guess

nobody is implying depression doesnt exist but only in the context of what most people believe about it

they say its a chemical imbalance to cover up their sins

meanwhile someone is stabbing them in the heart with a knife and saying see its your fault your bleeding

CURE YOUR DEPRESSION WITH SOME NIXON DISCUSSION

>tfw my brain is an autistic torture chamber
>tried beating depression & anxiety the natural way
>but i realized in the end that i need drugs to numb my brain in order to feel OK
WHY

that looks almost identical. i would have expected a much bigger difference

>WHY

figure it out. theres a reason for it

i figured out my problems

i have depression but i resisted drugs my entire life they wanted to pill me up since i was 13

normie wagecucks use alcohol is numb their pain

its the same thing. and they arent "depressed" but they all take anti depressants every night LMAO

Depression exists as much as excitement exists, and sadness exists, and arousal exists, and happiness exists.

>i have depression

No you don't. Depression is a mood. It's not something you "have". You don't "catch" it.

well it could be a perpetual mood due to your life condition

youre not going to get the odd bursts of pleasure when youre living in total despair

so that could be seen as a depression

but i know exactly how to escape it ...

but i think its a tough road and too many obstacles

so i just sit here

You're making erroneous claims based on ignorance, not actual logic, you regard.

Did you watch Century of the Self too?

and then when i say "its too hard to succeed in life" unmerciful normies will say SEE YOURE JUST LAZY

actually no, all people want a easy life. theres nothing wrong with that. and it should be working towards being easier for everybody

but nope, they support lower wages they love economic inequality they love when 1% owns most the wealth

and argue in favor of it saying theyre the most competent in the world and deserve it for their work

you can see it every day on Cred Forums these sickos

they love human suffering

Depression is caused by societal standards. The standards are set by the media. The media is controlled by the Jews.

Jews are making people sick who do not fit in with the mainstream, so they might discover unwelcome truths about our modern way of life. Countermeasures? Selling drugs to depressed people and thus having another way of controlling them and milking them for money/labor hours at the same time.

So in a sense it's a meme, yes. If one wants to, they can easily break the leash that is put on most people at birth and seek for the things that bring joy to them, but that's where many people fail at, so they fall in the trap of the pharmahebrew.

Don't be a motherfucking moron.

>no

get out of internet, it's hurting you

I think that is the majority of what is happening, however some people have it worse than other due to this chemical imbalance, kindof like bipolar disorder though not as extreme. The depression 'meme" is real, but too many people mistake what is making them depressed and these causes are usually environmental.

>well it could be a perpetual mood due to your life condition

It could be, if you let it be.

>but i know exactly how to escape it ...
>but i think its a tough road and too many obstacles
>so i just sit here

There's no "exact" way to be happy 2bh pham, but we all need the same things at the end of the day don't we? Food, shelter, respect from our peers (critically important)

Y'gotta find a way to get those things. If you're currently really fucking down in the dumps, take medication if you want, in fact it's probably the best thing to do, I just hate medication myself.

Maybe medication will be a good route for you to get out of your situation and provide an opportunity for making a better life. It can do that.

Go help yourself bro, I believe in ya.

I'm a regard? What's a regard?

I actually constructed a logically valid argument. It's unfortunate that you weren't able to understand it.

Also if I never in my life get to hug a qt asian like that I just want god to smite me right n-

Didn't read many other replies, but these are the only two worth reading.

The rest are CTR pharma shill

>If one wants to, they can easily break the leash that is put on most people at birth and seek for the things that bring joy to them

no they cant because the jews control the economy too

its all tied together a world of tyranny

on a personal family level and macro economic level

wicked normies.

its white people too its everyone its normies, non-christians,heathens, jews too

its not EASY to break free of poverty

the easier it is the more happy people would be

no chemical imbalance is a meme

stop believing your psychologist retards who got educated by the jews in their universities

everyone has an underlying cause that is environmental

i didnt say it was an exact formula

i said it was different for everyone......

no i wont sell my soul to the devil and take pills to become more "normal" like you

i like being weird

its to my own detriment but idc its better to stick to your convictions

>Y'gotta find a way to get those things

well people are are depressed are currently in that RUT of things and in a transition stage of hoping to get out. so you cant blame them for their circumstance

Yes.

Depression is a natural instinct to make you want to do more. It has roots from our very first ancestors who needed some sort of motivation to go outside and survive.

Pharmaceutical companies have created a nocebo effect (opposite of placebo), where it is unnatural and you can't get rid of it on your own.

It's a money game and it's easy to manipulate the masses through propaganda. That is why this exists

washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/08/31/are-wifi-allergies-a-real-thing-a-quick-guide-to-electromagnetic-hypersensitivity/

It's quite real. However, the medication has been intentionally given withdrawal symptoms in order to keep the goyim addicted.

Depression is a normal human condition that lives along side of our emotions: joy, anger, sadness etc. Pop-Science Psychology has capitalized on the condition and has over-diagnosed it. Today, untrained primary physicians over-proscribe treatments of pharmaceuticals to alter brain chemistry.

See PIC RELATED for something a little more sinister: The Jaffe memo was presented to the Rockefeller Commission offering solutions to controlling poulation, which was a big scary monster at the time. Alongside the horrible social engineering of feminism and homosexuality is a large notation "CHRONIC DEPRESSION". This chilling document represents your present and your future.
Why was encouraging chronic depression listed, and how was it to be implemented ? We see the rise of the diagnosis and the prescriptions. The methods presented in the Jaffe memo have been applied on Western society and they have worked beyond expectations.
Get mad! Ask Questions! Break the Narrative!

"In one experiment, the pair showed half of their subjects an episode of the BBC series “Panorama,” which alleged that WiFi signals were harmful. They then exposed the whole group to a fake WiFi signal and waited to see who would get sick. The ones who watched the documentary were far more likely to develop EHS symptoms."

If an advertisement tells people they may be depressed, based of this study it may make them more likely to be depressed.

Depression in itself is not a meme. Just their "medicine" is.

Dude you're mostly right but you took that one turn on the road that gets your head stuck in your own ass.
Now idk what your mom has done, but don't throw the blame too easily, how you reacted and what you became out of a shit situation is still on you.

If you care for my advice - try psychedelics. Go full in one time and dont give me the 'degenerate' bs, this is the reset button.

>fluoxetine
Stuff works for me as well. I find I'm actually able to get out of bed in the morning and do shit. If I stop taking them I go back to wanting to kill myself.

Depression is definitely real, and antidepressants can work, but it's a very personal thing and what works for one person won't work for others.

Antidepressants aren't a cure. They're more a means of giving someone who is really depressed a little boost so that they can unfuck their shit. The problem with depression is that it makes it really hard to do all the things that counteract it.

is there a reset button for people living in islamic countries who will get stoned if they unconvert from islam??

there is no reseting from a life of control.

you dont get it because you havnt been there youre an unsympathetic normy who doesnt understand peoples situations.

once a guy in pakistan tries his magic mushrooms or LSD hes still living in fucking pakistan in a desert with a mud race wanting to kill him every day!

>take drugs against depression, just this one time, trust me m8

oh fuck off. sick and depressed people don't need anything, none of your natural hippie shit except for combat.

you need to beat people like this, this self-indulgent, ego-driven morons, every day. without ass-kicking, those lost men will always be depressed.
they are too afraid to change something, they believe they cannot do it while they believe they deserve better.

you are depressed? give up. you still go after bullshit hobbies, no? give them up, and then complain again. try to improve, then complain again. as long as you complain, every man around you knows that you are a lazy fuck and deserve nothing but a long, painful death for your weak existance.

>german deer poster at it agian
also no it's not a meme, poor uneducated "tough and hardened" people believe it's a meme and they suffer, there are actually hormones for every feeling and lack of few of them causes depression, it's reversible

>You got too scared instead. So you took the pill, like a good little boy, to mentally castrate yourself.

Almost like posting on an echo chamber/image board

No, it depends on the situation. Psychfag here. Depression is a legitimate chemicals malfunction in the brain, which especially effect the creation of serotonin (allegedly) and dopamine.

For the most part, there are many different definitions of depression, one can be due to something as simple as exposure to sunlight, others are more due to genetic defects which one may be predisposed to serious chronic depression.

But, if we're talking about big pharma misdiagnosing people, then yes there's that.

There's no way you are over 18

Nice projection
Top kek, depression is a disease which innately effects motivation. Telling a depressed person to motivate is like telling an iron weight to jump.

Do you have a source for that memo?

Not really, but just buy inositol powder and u wont be depressed anymore. Ull thank me later.

you should combine this with choline tho otherwise ull get drowsy.

FYI

Depression is a caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain because your emotions are just random cocktails of neurochemicals.

Happiness is oxytocin
Anger is Serotonin at low levels
Sadness is Serotonin at high levels.

Yes and it's cure is exercise and not being a bitch

Definitely not a meme. Its not purely psycholgoical and is in most cases physiological (Insomnia, lethargy, memory problems, etc.).

Fun fact: Your hippocampus actually shrinks if the depression is severe and prolonged, and there's nothing you can do to reverse that kind of damage.

>Your hippocampus actually shrinks if the depression is severe and prolonged, and there's nothing you can do to reverse that kind of damage.

Really?

In large part, yes. Also serves social workers, psychologists, and a host of other parasitic leftist trash.

Yes, really.

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC60045/

Eliminate stressors and get treatment as soon as possible, user.

I am getting treatment. Luckily I was able to get it identified early, get medication and therapy for it and I have really supportive family, friends and colleagues. I just didn't realize it could cause permanent brain damage.

Imagine to hear that in a therapy session

Doesn't matter, other parts of your brain probably benefit from depression somehow, it's an experience at least, the human brain is known for it's incredible plasticity, and you probably have more than enough hippo campus to go around.

Antidepressants literally turn you into a souless machine. I know because I took Prozac for almost a year.

This. It's very hard to damage brain permanently. Function of your hippocampus may suffer when you're depressed, but there won't be any lasting damage.

I've heard ADHD/ADD are fake too, is this true?

>hunting with bows
degenerate/10

Wtf user, how is anyone supposed to feel better when you keep posting these qt Asian goddesses? Fuck.

Can someone explain the what's the deal with this deer? I keep seeing it everywhere.

It's worse than that. It's to keep people in a weak, unstable mental state, so they don't use their mind and they can maintain control over them.

It's at the Guttmacher institute,or WAS, the FAQ page with the link has been removed. Luckilly it was archived before they took it down.

archive page at
archive.is/aaV8w

->Drill down to "WHO WAS FREDERICK JAFFE?"->Link to memo is here. Table 1 is the smoking gun.

It's a little spooky, copies of the table are availible, but solid proof was hard to find until Guttmacher posted a link in the FAQ - and then removed it. Most "scholarly" circles have denied it's existence and authenticity. The memo itself can now be thoroughly discredited.

>mental illness
>real

Cred Forums discussion archive:
archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/86176327/#q86176327

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