OFFICIAL: MH17 shot down by separatists using Buk system brought from Russia

RUSSIA BTFO

Oy blyat where my reparations?

How can Kremlin Trolls even respond to this? It's over you've been caught.
youtube.com/watch?v=Sf6gJ8NDhYA

>international jewry again
What are you talking about, Pepik?

Jewish Oligarchs that make 25% of wealthiest Russians and own nation's biggest business and corporations?

It's in the video. Learn to read.

youtube.com/watch?v=dzeFFCBDt-w

How is Dutch government going to react, now when it's clear that Russians murdered 283 of your people?

During that press conference they showed Radar evidence that there was no object flying nearby the plane, no missiles, nothing

why did you post that video?

>Ukraine has always refused to release Radar images
Proofs?

>What are you talking about, Pepik?
well you started ww2 by genociding germans

cuck

By doing nothing
Honestly you're overestimating us

We're a bunch of spineless Jews when it comes to international affairs

So?

What a great counterpoint you make user...

Russia was a fool to hand over the floght recorders prior to communication release from the other side

More sactions I guess. There's nothing more we can do. We don't want to be the guys that start the war with Russia.

why do you even ask if its so easy to google it?

abc.net.au/news/2016-09-27/russia-accuses-ukraine-of-complicity-in-mh17-downing/7879536

>Ukraine 'refusing to release its radar data'

Lol is the Netherlands gonna invoke article 5 of NATO?

>Allowing a suspect to help conduct an investigation into its own possible crime

well its your country who put jews into ukraian goverment , just check it, its actualy disgusting how many jews are now there

then why was ukraine allowed to participate in the investigation?

Because it porves that there was no Ukrainian fighter attacking the MH17, like Russians originally claimed.

Russians changed the narrative several times. First, the separatists themselves bragged about shooting the plane down on twitter (that they deleted soon after). Then, they caimed it was the job of the Ukrainian fighter (they even presented "sattelite photos") and that it happened because it thought Vladimir Putin was on board. Then, they claimed it was shot down by Ukrainian Buk, just to go back to original figher claim. Finally, they admitted that there was no fighter at all, and that the satellite photos they presented were faked.

This is literally bullshit. I reply to this tured to say "" " Literally Poland " " " The most white country on earth but the most jewed.

>you started ww2 by genociding germans
Proofs?

Russia should form its own investigation team with blackjack and hookers, fabricate the evidence and frame that egyptian crash on nederasts in response

>Make up twitter posts to frame seperatists
>delete it
>use it as evidence

>release retarded google maps satellite picture from some obscure non-official website
>frame russia with

great ""evidence""

You can't have sanctions on Russia. Not without a court case and a verdict.

Russia claimed it owns a "sattelite images of Ukrainian fighter shooting down the plane", 2 days ago they admitted they were faked. See

>russia accuses
Yeah, seems legit.

Besides, the official report is based on the satellite data from the US and the European Space Agency. There are more countries owning satellites than just Ukraine.

>By a missile type decomissioned in Russia since 2007

>Russia claimed it owns a "sattelite images of Ukrainian fighter shooting down the plane"
that picture which you are referring to wasnt even released by the russian officials
just someone from the internet

what has to do with russia?

You already did that in case of Tu-154 crash.

Luckily, Dutch learned from our mistakes.

It's not clear Russia is responsible for the deaths of MH17. Not by a long shot. And I believe that the Netherlands, Ukraine in cahoots with the USA set a trap. Why the fuck did they allow 9M-MRD to fly over a warzone? That's rediculous. All other civilian traffic avoided that place.

>just someone from the internet
Which didn't stop Russian media from using these pictures while forcing "it was the Ukrainian fighter" version, aye?

+15 Putinshekels
Good goy.

>It's not clear Russia is responsible for the deaths of MH17
It was pretty clear since the very beginning.

>I believe that the Netherlands, Ukraine in cahoots with the USA set a trap
Of course, everyone just wanted poor Russia to kill inoccent people just so they could frame them. Russia dindu nuffin.

Satellite evidence does not mean photographs.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-Based_Infrared_System

>RT

You are welcome, come and visit Smolensk any time.

because they can? Its media

>>Make up twitter posts to frame seperatists
Literally minutes after the crash, and on official account of a Russian separatist.

Sure :^)

Source?
since when do they have an official twitter?

Dude, social media played a huge roll in the Arab springs. It played a huge roll in Maidan. And it sure as fuck is pivotal in MH17. Social media in the hands of 400lbs neckbeards is not valid evidence.

Kek

>28 September. Interfax-Russia.ru - Concern "Almaz-Antey" do not exclude that the missile complex "Buk" could be started up by the Malaysian "Boeing" in the Donbass wrong.

. "The probability of this rule out, of course, can not be reasons for this can be many different: lack of training of the crew or incorrect source data This is possible only when the circumstances:. Poor maintenance of equipment and incorrect crew action," - told reporters in Moscow chief designer Advisor " Almaz-Antey "Michael Malyshevsky.

He stressed that the assessment of the probability of false start does not refer to the competence of the Group.

butthurt belt strikes again
meh

>>It's not clear Russia is responsible for the deaths of MH17
>It was pretty clear since the very beginning.

>>I believe that the Netherlands, Ukraine in cahoots with the USA set a trap
>Of course, everyone just wanted poor Russia to kill inoccent people just so they could frame them. Russia dindu nuffin
was to >>russia accuses
>Yeah, seems legit.

>Besides, the official report is based on the satellite data from the US and the European Space Agency. There are more countries owning satellites than just Ukraine.
was to

Next, lie does not make sense

why are you talking about satellite
we are talking about radar here from ukrainian airports

or am I missing something?

Why would Russia down MH17? What's their interest in that? I can see a huge interest for the USA to do this. And the Netherlands, I know them, they catch a cold whenever the US sneezes.

mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/mh17-crash-hear-moment-russian-3877080

>He tweeted: “We just hit down An-26. We warned you… do not fly in ‘our sky’.

>Social media is not valid evidence
I agree, it's not.

The report of international investigation team, based on 2 years of research - however - is.

>The report of international investigation team, based on 2 years of research - however - is.
Biased investigation, mind you.

It was clear the first days that ukraine flew above the airplane on purpose.

It blipped as millitary on the radar and the idiot russian mercenaries didn't double check.

That's why it's taking so goddamn long to have them come to a conclusion.

so everyone here knows mh17 is really mh370, right?

Because it proves that there were far more sources of evidence taken under consideration in this investigation than just Ukrainian radars.

>their conclusions were based on a wealth of supporting evidence, including forensic examinations, witness statements, satellite images, radar data and intercepted telephone calls

>Why would Russia down MH17
It was just a fatal mistake. Idiots thought it was an Ukrainian aircraft. They were probably drunk as well.

You learned of our toilet ways. Nothing more.

Sodemieter op lul. Ik ben Nederlands.

Yeah, I think it was a mistake too. But I don't think Russia is to blame for having made this mistake. I believe they were set up.

>Biased investigation
Explain how it was "biased".

Read the OP.
Russians themselves admitted there were no Ukrainian aircrafts involved in the conference they themselves held 2 days ago.

Just made a mistake, obviously. They were waiting for Ukrainian transport aircraf

As I say, it was a setup.

>I believe they were set up
Take off that tinfoil hat then.

Nobody had anything to achieve from the death of 283 innocents.

I bet you believe in Smoleńsk explosion theory as well.

It's not like it is the first time the they have crashed airplanes killing many people.

So why have ukrainian pigs shot down this boeing?

Is this thing called Stockholm Syndrome?
Russia has radars, BUK most likely was controlled from russians radars. If there was some "blink" it would be displayed, for example, on OP video.

>they
Who do you mean by "they"?

Actually you have to see who was on board the aircraft to understand why it was shot down. Who did it is incidental to who was on board.

The passenger manifest the occupations of the passengers will say a lot about why this aircraft was shot down.

Y'all really need to start there. Then look into who baited the Russians into shooting down the aircraft.

Kan je geen nederlandse vrouw vinden?

incompetence

Russians shot it down though

Separatists are ukrainian, not Russians.

prove it :^)

I'm not sure. I believe the people (neocons) who did 9/11, are the same people who invaded iraq, have created ISIS, are trying to topple Syria and Iran, instigated civil war in Ukraine. These people. I think they did MH17 essentially. They baited Russia.

>Actually you have to see who was on board the aircraft

Dutch tourist with their kids going on holiday

Nee.

>who was on board the aircraft
And that was?

>Then look into who baited the Russians into shooting down the aircraft.
Let me guess, it was the [b]((((((((((JEWS))))))))[/b]?

No need, I enjoy watching the Russian economy going down the drain.

good for you

YOU DONE FUCKED UP RUSSIA, YOU HAVE UNLEASHED THE DUTCH WARMACHINE

rt.com/news/311433-Dutch-army-ammo-shortage/

defenseindustrydaily.com/snow-leopards-dutch-sells-their-remaining-tanks-to-finland-020936/

Ok, whatever. And what happens next?

Dude seriously, take off that tinfoil hat.

You have nothing more than assumptions, and as I said, nobody achieved anything from that entire mess, except for a few local bydlo Russian women who stole the perfumes of the victims.

It was only innocent people who lost their lifes.

Nothing. As usual with our cucked western friends.

They completely deny it.

What do you think?

European Union, NATO, Norway and Switzerland and others have already sanctioned Russia, lol

So new narrative is "russia dindu nuffin, poor russia was baited into shooting plane, always the victim".

>You have nothing more than assumptions
Of course I have. I have absolutely zero trust in official institutions of the West. The truth is fully obfuscated and will not be seen. Why did it take 2 years for JIT to make a case? Why did 9M-MRD fly over a no-fly zone? The whole thing stinks to high heaven. I will take off my tin-foil hat if 1. Russia admits responsibility, or 2, you somehow convince me that the report is correct.

no, i co?

Yeah Russia propaganda is pretty pathetic as always and now they have been utterly BTFo they are coming with a new narrative.

Someone achieved something; didn't the passenger manifest have some important people on it in some regards? I can't remember if they were witnesses, officials, someone from the private sector or what but I remember hearing that there were passengers of importance on that flight

Isn't Poland extremely pissed off about the Smolensk crash in Russia?
If so, are you, or are you just a 55 Savuskhina Street troll.
I doubt even Ruch Narodowy or whatever it's called worships Putin.

> ...the Dutch-led joint investigation team (JIT) said there was “irrefutable evidence”...
...but declined to provide any.

It also sounds like this:
>WAAAAAAAAAAAH COCKNAZIGENOCIDEHOHOLS GET OUT WE WUZ INNOCENT FUCKING BANDEROWEST NAZIS JEWISH SOROS NATO AGENTS EU SLAVE

>more sanctions
>sanctions hurt you guys more

LOL fuck off colgate

...

And it still worked. Look at the idiots in this thread.

Sorry but you vatniks have always been the loudest faggot buts you have losed, what, is your army of bolandball :DDD painters and proxies going to conquer Kyiv?

Everyone already knew back then, what's the point of trying to make this more 'official'?
I don't even care, it was wartime and accidents happen. Especially funny to see this coming out while fuckloads more civilians are being BTFO in Syria by both US and Russia right now

You're fuckin retarded and a revisionist. Plenty of airlines still flew over Ukraine.

>I have absolutely zero trust in official institutions of the West
So you have 100% trust in official institutions of Russia?

>I will take off my tin-foil hat if 1. Russia admits responsibility, or 2, you somehow convince me that the report is correct
>Katyń was obviously a Nazi job, goyim! They framed the entire thing to make poor innocent Russia look bad! Their reports are incorrect, prove us wrong!

>Plenty of airlines still flew over Ukraine.
That's patently incorrect.

Why do you need any "evidence" ?

PUTIN did it, everyone know it, stop asking questions.

We are way too comfortable here to start shit with Russia. Also we are kind of cowards so there's that.

I'm not being apologetic. I don't know Russia like I know the West. But I am 100% sure et certain that Russia has no interest in conflict.

Rouble is dropping like a crazy, Russian economy is breaking, and the citizens can't buy western products in most of malls.

youtube.com/watch?v=BT4sK36cU3Y
Looks like you can't touch "cock holes" or whatever you call anyone better than your sewage race because you are virgin faggots

Basically:
>Volyn WORST EVER, look at BANDERA!11!!!1
>whats katyn, what's smolensk?

Non-retarded airlines would perfectly be able to identify safe areas without "mysteriously" losing flights in the middle of the sea as well.

lol, is this trolling?

Yeah no. Stop revising history. Two other passenger planes, from Air India and Singapore Airlines were flying close to MH17 at the time.

Fucking Polaks.

Let's get this straight. Russians have done shit like this before and gone extensive lengths to cover it up with fancy news conferences, faking of evidence, etc. And gullible westerners have swallow their cool aid believing them.
It was the leftists back then, now its the right.

Here have some historic perspective.

youtube.com/watch?v=S7e-E86Oe8I

Yeah. The shit is close to hitting the fan globally. And such convenient timing of JIT. Right after the first US presidential debate, and it's not even October.

Unfortunately, it is the truth for the Russian people but a lot less for oligarchs, but they are getting real tense with their lack of resources.

That's because they aren't fucking retarded airlines and can just directly consult with Ukrainian air traffic control.

That's correct. And that's it.

Honestly, they probably didn't check anything. They most likely had the radar turned of because they didn't want to advertise their position to Ukraine. In such a scenario, only when they had a visual on an aircraft they would turn on their radar, get a lock on, shoot their rocket, turn off their radar again and maybe change position.

These guys never imagined that commercial aircraft would be flying over a war zone. It was obviously a mistake and I really don't understand the need to blame Russia.

Did you even read the article, Ivans?

There was entire conference where they presented the results of investigation, point by point. There are even videos linked in the article.

And in the same OP you can find a video from 2 days ago - Russians launched the conference where they admitted that their data about Ukrainian fighter shooting down the MH17, as they originally claimed, was faked.

This is true; didn't they fly into air space they never should have been in? Dumb pilot trying to save time/gas thought he was safe at 40k feet.

What I don't like is how bad the media in the US is trying to make the ruskies into our new boogie man while saying nothing of coordination with the enemy. I seriously think they are trying to push us into a war with the toothpaste guys and that would be bad for everyone except the Warhawk oligarchs. Shit is getting out of hand, the distractions and false flags are at an all time high.

Listening to Kerry at the security council makes me sick.

>I am 100% sure et certain that Russia has no interest in conflict

55 other planes were flying over Donetsk that same day. RIDF please go.

I wish Ukraine would die, writhing under a blanket of flame.
Fucking scumbag UN cocksuckers shoot down a bunch of innocent people for their shady political deals just to get free handouts and then blame it on Russia for a kicker.
Show me even one scrap of genuine evidence it was caused by Russia, you Ukrainian loving kike slave.

I meant Russo not toothpaste

>I wish Ukraine would die
Just wait a bit.

>It was the leftists back then, now its the right.
My thoughts exactly.
Alt-right is sucking Putin's cock the same way commies wanked off to USSR for entire Cold War.

>The report of international investigation team, based on 2 years of research - however - is.
Pic related

>citizens can't buy western products in most of malls.
You're literally retarded.

>lack of rescources
Terribly memed

Cool story bro, the US Navy did even worse to 290 Iranian civilians right outside of their own country's borders in 1988

This incident was caused by some slav hillbillies that unfortunately got their hands on a Russian missile launcher

Hehe, good goy.

Ignore the fact that Jewish Oligarchs that make 25% of wealthiest Russians and own nation's biggest business and corporations, as well as the fact that Muslim population in Russia is 13% - highest in entire Europe - and the new ones keep coming from the central Asian countries completely unrestricted, while new mosques are raised in Moscow.

Putin is fighting the ZOG, that's why evil western kikes seek to destroy him!

The tactics are the same, the useful idiots are different

I see the Donfags are getting even more desperate.

Whoever did this, none of them give a shit about the victims, its fucking revolting how this has geopolitics written all over it. Abhorrent.

Nobody will be brought to justice.

>I seriously think they are trying to push us into a war with the hammer&sickle guys and that would be bad for everyone except the Warhawk oligarchs

>listening to Reagan at the security council makes me sick

When did American right become a bunch of cucked Hippies?

Someone's answer to the question: “If Putin succeeds in starting a war with the EU, how poorly will the Russians fight and how fast will they surrender?”

Nuclear powers don't fight each other directly, plus Russia benefits more from peace.
Nor are we interested in the European Union’s position. Much depended on the EU until the summer of last year, when the war could have been prevented or stopped at the outset. A tough, principled antiwar stance by the EU was needed. It could have blocked U.S. initiatives to start the war and would have turned the EU into a significant independent geopolitical player. The EU passed on that opportunity and instead behaved like a faithful vassal of the United States.

ko-ko-ko, pidoruska

As a result, Europe stands on the brink of frightful internal upheaval. In the coming years, it has every chance of suffering the same fate as the Ukraine, only with a great roar, great bloodshed and less chance that in the near future things will settle down – in other words, that someone will show up and put things in order.

In fact, today the EU can choose whether to remain a tool of the United States or to move closer to Russia. Depending on its choice, Europe can get off with a slight scare, such as a breakup of parts of its periphery and possible fragmentation of some countries, or it could collapse completely. Judging by the European elites’ reluctance to break openly with the United States, collapse is almost inevitable.

What should interest us is the opinions of the two main players that determine the configuration of the geopolitical front and in fact are fighting for victory in the new generation of war – the network-centric Third World War. These players are the United States and Russia.

The U.S. position is clear and transparent. In the second half of the 1990s, Washington missed its only opportunity to reform the Cold War economy without any obstacles and thereby avoid the looming crisis in a system whose development is limited by the finite nature of planet Earth and its resources, including human ones, which conflicts with the need to endlessly print dollars.

destabilise

that's the interest, the US does the same in the arab region and China in the pacific. it's common practice for powerful nations. destabilisation means access to control and limiting forces to unite.

After that, the United States could prolong the death throes of the system only by plundering the rest of the world. At first, it went after Third World countries. Then it went for potential competitors. Then for allies and even close friends. Such plundering could continue only as long as the United States remained the world’s undisputed hegemon.

Thus when Russia asserted its right to make independent political decisions – decisions of not global but regional import – , a clash with the United States became inevitable. This clash cannot end in a compromise peace.

For the United States, a compromise with Russia would mean a voluntary renunciation of its hegemony, leading to a quick, systemic catastrophe – not only a political and economic crisis but also a paralysis of state institutions and the inability of the government to function. In other words, its inevitable disintegration.

But if the United States wins, then it is Russia that will experience systemic catastrophe. After a certain type of “rebellion,” Russia’s ruling classes would be punished with asset liquidation and confiscation as well as imprisonment. The state would be fragmented, substantial territories would be annexed, and the country’s military might would be destroyed.

So the war will last until one side wins. Any interim agreement should be viewed only as a temporary truce – a needed respite to regroup, to mobilize new resources and to find (i.e., to poach) additional allies.

If you are Polish maybe you should have a greater involvement in the politics and institutions of Poland.

To complete the picture of the situation, we only need Russia’s position. It is essential to understand what the Russian leadership wants to achieve, particularly the president, Vladimir Putin. We are talking about the key role that Putin plays in the organization of the Russian power structure. This system is not authoritarian, as many assert, but rather authoritative – meaning it is based not on legislative consolidation of autocracy but on the authority of the person who created the system and, as the head of it, makes it work effectively.

During Putin’s 15 years in power, despite the difficult internal and external situation, he has tried to maximize the role of the government, the legislative assembly, and even the local authorities. These are entirely logical steps that should have given the system completeness, stability, and continuity. Because no politician can rule forever, political continuity, regardless of who comes to power, is the key to a stable system.

Unfortunately, fully autonomous control, namely the ability to function without the president’s oversight, hasn’t been achieved. Putin remains the key component of the system because the people put their trust in him personally. They have far less trust in the system, as represented by public authorities and individual agencies.

Thus Putin’s opinions and political plans become the decisive factor in areas such as Russia’s foreign policy. If the phrase “without Putin, there is no Russia” is an exaggeration, then the phrase “what Putin wants, Russia also wants” reflects the situation quite accurately in my opinion.

Unfortunately, fully autonomous control, namely the ability to function without the president’s oversight, hasn’t been achieved. Putin remains the key component of the system because the people put their trust in him personally. They have far less trust in the system, as represented by public authorities and individual agencies.

Thus Putin’s opinions and political plans become the decisive factor in areas such as Russia’s foreign policy. If the phrase “without Putin, there is no Russia” is an exaggeration, then the phrase “what Putin wants, Russia also wants” reflects the situation quite accurately in my opinion.

First, let’s note that the man who for 15 years has carefully guided Russia to its revival has done so in conditions of U.S. hegemony in world politics along with significant opportunities for Washington to influence Russia’s internal politics. He had to understand the nature of the fight and his opponent. Otherwise, he wouldn’t have lasted so long.

The level of confrontation that Russia allowed itself to get into with the United States grew very slowly and up to a certain point went unnoticed. For example, Russia did not react at all to the first attempt at a color revolution in the Ukraine in 2000-2002 (the Gongadze case, the Cassette Scandal, and the Ukraine without Kuchma protest).

Russia took an opposing position but did not actively intervene in the coups that took place from November 2003 to January 2004 in Georgia and from November 2004 to January 2005 in the Ukraine. In 2008, in Ossetia and Abkhazia, Russia used its troops against Georgia, a U.S. ally. In 2012, in Syria, the Russian fleet demonstrated its readiness to confront the United States and its NATO allies.

Does the power-hungry bureaucracy EU and Russian power-hungry Neo-Soviet Eurasian Empire want justice at all?
I think you know the answer.

Did you expect anything else? The moment I heard MH17 went down I knew this was going to be a shitshow and eventually we'd just roll over and take it.

how could this possibly be a surprise to anyone?

shut up Monaco

>U.S. based social media is an independent 3rd party and not tied to the U.S. regime that created the forced regime change in Ukraine with a fake uprising with full cooporation of the "free" press parotting the official narrative and social media pushing anti Ukrainian governemnt sentiment and can be fully trusted
>why would the U.S. regime be prepared for its own plans!?
Sure :^)

Fuck off Polak misinformation spreader RIDF kike.

Picrel

rt.com/business/348916-putin-prolongs-food-embargo/

FAKE

It was a hohol jetfighter. Even saw pictures of it.

Moscow could not have saved the Ukraine from the coup because of the baseness, cowardice, and stupidity of the Ukraine’s leaders – not only Yanukovych but all of them without exception. After the armed coup in Kiev in February 2014, Russia entered into open confrontation with Washington. Before that, the conflicts were interspersed with improved relations, but at the beginning of 2014 relations between Russia and the United States deteriorated swiftly and almost immediately reached the point where war would have been declared automatically in the pre-nuclear era.

Thus at any given time Putin engaged in precisely the level of confrontation with the United States that Russia could handle. If Russia isn’t limiting the level of confrontation now, it means Putin believes that, in the war of sanctions, the war of nerves, the information war, the civil war in the Ukraine, and the economic war, Russia can win.

This is the first important conclusion about what Putin wants and what he expects. He expects to win. And considering that he takes a meticulous approach and strives to anticipate any surprises, you can be sure that when the decision was made not to back down under pressure from the United States, but to respond, the Russian leadership had a double, if not a triple, guarantee of victory.

I would like to point out that the decision to enter into a conflict with Washington was not made in 2014, nor was it made in 2013. The war of August 8, 2008, was a challenge that the United States could not leave unpunished. After that, every further stage of the confrontation only raised the stakes. From 2008 to 2010, the United States’ capability – not just military or economic but its overall capability – has declined, whereas Russia’s has improved significantly. So the main objective was to raise the stakes slowly rather than in explosive fashion.

>right in time for Clinton presidency

Who could have seen that coming.

Prepare your anuses Europe. Time for WW3.

In other words, an open confrontation in which all pretences are dropped and everyone understands that a war is going on had to be delayed as long as possible. But it would have been even better to avoid it altogether.

With every passing year, the United States became weaker while Russia became stronger. This process was natural and impossible to arrest, and we could have projected with a high degree of certainty that by 2020 to 2025, without any confrontation, the period of U.S. hegemony would have ended, and the United States would then be best advised to think about not how to rule the world, but how to stave off its own precipitous internal decline.

Thus Putin’s second desire is clear: to keep the peace or the appearance of peace as long as possible. Peace is advantageous for Russia because in conditions of peace, without enormous expense, it obtains the same political result but in a much better geopolitical situation. That is why Russia continually extends the olive branch. Just as the Kiev junta will collapse in conditions of peace in Donbass, in conditions of world peace, the military-industrial complex and the global financial system created by the United States are doomed to self-destruct. In this way, Russia’s actions are aptly described by Sun Tzu’s maxim “The greatest victory is that which requires no battle.”

It is clear that Washington is not run by idiots, no matter what is said on Russian talk shows or written on blogs. The United States understands precisely the situation it is in. Moreover, they also understand that Russia has no plans to destroy them and is really prepared to cooperate as an equal. Even so, because of the political and socioeconomic situation in the United States, such cooperation is not acceptable to them. An economic collapse and a social explosion are likely to occur before Washington (even with the support of Moscow and Beijing) has time to introduce the necessary reforms, especially when we consider that the EU will have to undergo reform at the same time. Moreover, the political elite who have emerged in the United States in the past 25 years have become accustomed to their status as the owners of the world. They sincerely don’t understand how anyone can challenge them.

For the ruling elite in the United States (not so much the business class but the government bureaucracy), to go from being a country that decides of the fate of inferior peoples to one that negotiates with them on an equal footing is intolerable. It is probably tantamount to offering Gladstone or Disraeli the post of prime minister of the Zulu Kingdom under Cetshwayo kaMpande. And so, unlike Russia, which needs peace to develop, the United States regards war as vital.

Alt-right are basically bordeline autistic introverts that worship jews and faggots.

>An elaborate article on how Russia has no interest in confluct
>Russia invades Crimea and Donbas

I know, you will use "that's because Ukraine overthrowed legal government" argument, but that's exactly the same "excuse" Russians used to invade Hungary in '56 and Czechoslovakia in '68.

And while I agree that Russia has no interest in starting a global, open conflict - nobody does - they desperately seek to keep the former Soviet republics under their control, apparently believing they are still a world superpower - ruining their own economy in the process. As always.

>Be small country.
>Have hardly any military.
>Think it can pressure a nuclear super power.
Just accept your people got murdered, nothing will happen. Wrong time wrong place.

This was originally posted by Leader right here on Cred Forums. I can't find the thing in the archives but I am happy I typed it down.

>25 posts by this ID
>31 posts by this ID

Government shills get out or I won't vote for you again.

US has "possibly" done plenty of shit like this too

The fact that "Russian made" equipment shows up everywhere from post Soviet states to goatfucker armies to villages in buttfuck nowhere Africa means that it's possible Russia had nothing to do with it at all

Yes, before you ask I do believe that:
1. US knew about 9/11
2. Let it happen on purpose

By letting in more refugees selling more weed and promoting more tolerance

>"Russian made" equipment shows up everywhere from post Soviet states
The missle was transported from Russia and shot from the separatist-conrolled territory.

The Rothschilds owned the company that made the airline components.

This is a fix so the rothschild pant yanukovich becomes leader.

See >mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/mh17-crash-hear-moment-russian-3877080

>>He tweeted: “We just hit down An-26. We warned you… do not fly in ‘our sky’.

Exactly see Russian made equipment has a reputation for being used by many sides

Remember that Ukraine bought almost all its military gear from Russia before that whole shit happened

Also tell me Cred Forums as a board that hates the EU and its refugees welcome open borders tolerance and diversity how is Putin the villain here? He stopped Ukrainians from becoming the next Sweden

a 3d video simulation of some trucks passing borders is not proof

Forensic examinations, witness statements, satellite images, radar data and intercepted telephone calls are.

They were all presented during the conference.

Truly awesome posts my compatriots. Our next step: becoming new leaf.

>Remember that Ukraine bought almost all its military gear from Russia before that whole shit happened
See >how is Putin the villain here? He stopped Ukrainians from becoming the next Sweden
Jesus Christ, you are literally swallowing Russian propaganda like a cum.

First, see >EU and its refugees welcome open borders tolerance
You can be a part of EU and remain uncucked, conservative country.

Examples: Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Baltic states.

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Het is walgelijk man, ik verwachtte een beetje ruggengraat van Rutte en co, maar nee, helemaal niks.

>sancties
ja wow dat doen we al, en onze export is ook flink gedaald met hun maar dat is niet genoeg.

peter de grote zit te huilen.

I'm just upset.

This shit sounds like something out of an ancap meme.

>When a commercial airliner violates the airspace over my chemical weapon production plant, driving down my stock price due to fears that my AA system won't be effective against the neighboring weapons manufacturer so you blast it out of the air with a missile you traded four child sex slaves for.

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I would like to thank Russia for shooting that plane down, cause it shows what a fagboii our PM Rutte is

>7 posts by this id

You try too hard, Ahmed Krauze.

>I'm just upset.
Who would not be about this?

>Russia atcing like barbarians.

Huh, makes you think.

>Russia

It was shut down by Ukraine over Ukraine. Those separatists are Ukrainian, fighting against the Ukrainian regime.

Why are you still posting your bullshit? Rebels took credit for shooting it down, then retracted after finding out it was civilian. We even know it was a buk manned by cossacks because the niggers bragged about it, had calls leaked admitting guilt, and have been interviewed multiple times. Why do you think Putin is above covering his ass? Oh wait he stimulates the economy with you neckbeards.

kek

Am I a bad guy again?

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Super relevant

Ivan, you're always a bad guy.

>"DNR" "Cossacks"
Don't they refuse to be part of the seperatist main command structure and actually even attack their main terrorist/insurgency forces?