MH17

Lucas Young
Lucas Young

So it's been more like two years since this tragedy.
What is the Cred Forums consensus? Who did it? The pro russian rebels, the ukrainian army? What did reasons they had?

For dutch, what is the general opinion on this over there? Who people blame most? Is the opinion divided?

All urls found in this thread:

cnn.com/2016/09/28/europe/mh17-buk-russia/index.html
youtube.com/watch?v=_EKR6iW4W24
youtu.be/MhJJYANt0s8
youtu.be/MhJJYANt0s8?t=4m25s
bellingcat.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/mh17-two-years-later.pdf
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_Airlines_Flight_1812
bellingcat
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transair_Georgia_airliner_shootdowns
pivopotam.livejournal.com/395481.html
zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-15/did-ukraine-attack-its-own-tanks-white-house-cant-confirm-russian-convoy-was-destroy
youtube.com/watch?v=OGvF8GLVKp4
dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2698652/PETER-HITCHENS-Mourn-victims-dont-turn-one-tragedy-global-catastrophe.html
news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/singapore-airlines-plane-was-minutes-away-when-mh17-shot/news-story/a26837b2a14df57fe994a88ea7f642a5
youtube.com/watch?v=3i7ZBpR886g
youtube.com/watch?v=GWKn_TX9ZpY
nytimes.com/2016/05/31/world/europe/russia-finland-nato-trolls.html?_r=0
youtube.com/watch?v=yPm-DNb4bAI
youtube.com/watch?v=jgAjksaAb8c
m.youtube.com/watch?v=PUl9z7VgsTI
express.co.uk/news/world/490530/Russian-Media-Coverage-Vladimir-Putin-assassination-attempt-Malaysia-Airlines-MH17

Justin Hall
Justin Hall

Fuck the u*raine.

Nicholas King
Nicholas King

Who cares?
What if actually rebels done it with Russian supplied Buk? Ok, accidents happen, that plane shouldn't been there in first place.
Like days before rebels shoot down ukranian Il-76 filled with supplies, ammo and paratroopers.
Ukraine did something about it? No, fuck it let's allow pasangeer plane wly just above the war zone.

Connor Rodriguez
Connor Rodriguez

bump

Ian Edwards
Ian Edwards

cnn.com/2016/09/28/europe/mh17-buk-russia/index.html
Investigation results came out literally today that it was the Russians/their supporters.

Tyler Rogers
Tyler Rogers

There are two possibilites.

1: Ukraine shot it down to pin on Russia and its separatists.
2: Ukraine deliberately redirected the plane over an active warzone they were bombing (all other commercial flights were avoiding that area and took a different route) in the hopes the separatists would shoot the plane down thinking it was a Ukrainian military aircraft.

Either way, Ukraine is to blame.

Daniel Nelson
Daniel Nelson

/thread

Jordan Flores
Jordan Flores

Russia did it. Are you retarded?

Ethan Carter
Ethan Carter

Pravda.ru thanks you comrade, .02 potatoes have been deposited into your oxcart.

Gabriel Parker
Gabriel Parker

blaming ukraine for your own fuckup

vlad, fuck you, goddamn peasant

Elijah Myers
Elijah Myers

Hahaha, good one. Made me laugh.

Jace Taylor
Jace Taylor

The point is, why does the Ukraine government allow privat flights over its territory, when there is a civil war against high armed enemies (not like against sand niggers with AKs) going on at this moment? Dude whole regime in Ukraine is a joke, why we (EU) accept such a stupid regime like the current in Kiev? They not even elected, or yeah after regime change coup elected by the puppets.

Brandon Nguyen
Brandon Nguyen

Ukraine didn't redirect the plane, this was just the normal and usual route of the MH17.

Asher Sullivan
Asher Sullivan

this

Carson Brooks
Carson Brooks

Why it this suddenly a news?
We knew all along it was a BUK and it fired from separatists' side.
Now who the fuck flies over a war zone is the question.

William Williams
William Williams

I thought this was all established years ago with the videos and audio of pro-russian separatists.

Camden Taylor
Camden Taylor

No, all the other planes were taking different routes. Only military aircraft were supposed to be flying that way.

Nicholas Garcia
Nicholas Garcia

turn off your proxy, vlad

Nathaniel Martinez
Nathaniel Martinez

Clearly you are. There is zero evidence to even conclude it was a missile from a Buk. It could as easily have been an air to air missile.

Angel Kelly
Angel Kelly

There is no evidence it was a Buk. Air to air missiles cause exactly the same type of damage.

Oliver Smith
Oliver Smith

presidentialopenquestions .com/questions/3910/vote
This is a false push, we all knew left was going to start pushing this TRASH ABOUT RUSSIA. TODAY, THE HOUSE, CLINTON, AND OTHER DEMS ATTACKED RUSSIA. YOU ARE NOT AMERICANS IF YOU SIDE WITH HER; YOU WANT WAR.

ALL OF YOU LOOK AT THE TRUTH

Hudson Bell
Hudson Bell

I remember videos uploaded months before the crash in which rebels complained that ukrop military planes use the civilian ones as cover. Guess that the plan was to use the mistaken strike as an excuse to beg for more free stuff from NATO.

Mason Howard
Mason Howard

Uhm no? Just chek flightradar it was the normal route of the MH17.
Yes there were some airlines who were avoiding the area, but it was their voluntary decision.

Hudson Perez
Hudson Perez

Meme investigation based on only hohols' data and twitter evidence. How retarded are you, /pol to believe it?

Ethan Russell
Ethan Russell

Shot over Romania???

Caleb Ortiz
Caleb Ortiz

heard this too

Camden Miller
Camden Miller

Cred Forums doesn't believe it. Ctr shills switched to this after the debate. It's a double whammy.

William Carter
William Carter

this is news

I remember reading on Cred Forums when this happened that it was pro-Russian separatists with a Russian supplied BUK.

Carson Morris
Carson Morris

but but where is the evidence :D

Zachary Johnson
Zachary Johnson

CTR Shills on pol
Putin shills on pol

I want my fucking board back

Michael Wood
Michael Wood

How do you shoot down a plane flying 10 kilometers above the Ukraine?
Using soviet rockets obviously. I don't expect to find American ones.

Anthony Evans
Anthony Evans

Where did you read that? CNN?

Parker Morgan
Parker Morgan

Fuck off you filthy alcoholic.

I don't trust either side, but both sides are being way too shady about it. If it wasn't russia's fault then they could have given evidence for that right away?

And if so.. Fuck off ivans, russians are worst slavs.

Jordan Hernandez
Jordan Hernandez

Cockholes transporting BUK through Krasnoarmeisk. One missile is out.
youtube.com/watch?v=_EKR6iW4W24

Julian Diaz
Julian Diaz

No, here. 2 1/2 years ago when it happened.

Connor Morales
Connor Morales

russian cucks try to correct the record here

RUSSIA DID IT.

Kevin Wright
Kevin Wright

Using an R-27 deployed from Mig 29

Jack Turner
Jack Turner

I was here and Cred Forums definitely did not agree with the msm line. What about the already heavily decomposed bodies they found?

Jackson Torres
Jackson Torres

I'm sorry Ahmed for your lost civilians and the fact that they become a politicians' plaing card.
And we sent a lot of evidences btw. Nobody just took them into account

Ayden James
Ayden James

There will be two kind of posters with Polish flag

The first kind, actual Poles will post silly things like "ukraine no such thing etc". The other ones that sound awfully like kremlinbots, they are kremlinbots with polish proxies.

Just sayin

Luis Perry
Luis Perry

Christ who cares? It is just one fucking plane, somewhere else 10 times as many people die every day in other countries.. Wow it was shot down by Ukranians who fight in civil war against other Ukranians in Ukraine. If some bitch ass nigger shoot someone else down in US with M16, it also would be weapon supplied by Russia :D? How stupid is that media propaganda? Since when, we care what kind of weapon sold by who was be used in wars? Also why is media calling them "seperatists"? Are they no longer Ukrainians even not if they live inside Ukraine and where some years ago Ukrainians too? Who decide that kind of bullshit?

Christopher Phillips
Christopher Phillips

How fucking hard is it to understand. Literally the DAY IT HAPPENED, videos of the rebels saying they shot down a plane were released, including one that was some guy explaining how he thought they shot down a Ukrainian transport, I think an An-24. They quickly deleted these posts / tweets once they reached the wreckage. There's even videos from the day of the crash at the wreckage of the guys discussing this very same subject.

The BUK was supplied by Russia, and the rebels were the ones operating it at the time. It was probably a mistake, and they probably thought they were shooting down a Ukrainian aircraft, but it was a mistake that cost the lives of over 300 people, and the people responsible deserve the blame.

Any conspiracy involving Ukraine shooting it down has been disproved for years, and it simply retarded Russian propaganda. The evidence PROVES that the Russian-supported rebels were responsible. Fuck off already with this bullshit, case closed.

Kayden Wilson
Kayden Wilson

I doubt it. They had nothing to gain and everything to lose on that one.
If something like this happen you would have accusation coming from opposition.

Joseph Rodriguez
Joseph Rodriguez

So we can all agree that the airline company which decided to fly over a war zone is to blame?

Angel Cruz
Angel Cruz

Post me the liveleak videos. I saw the footage and the translation was pure bullshit. They were talking about bullet holes in the fuselage.

Zachary Thomas
Zachary Thomas

check this out (independent reporter)
youtu.be/MhJJYANt0s8

David Taylor
David Taylor

we sent a lot of evidence
Yea, stories stating complete opposites each time
Now I know why all of eastern europe hate you

Lucas Cooper
Lucas Cooper

Oh again with this bullet holes bullshit. Were you people even following this story 2 years ago? Air to air missiles fly up to the target, and explode next to it, sending loads of shrapnel into the aircraft, it was not "bullet holes" it was structural damage from a high explosive warhead and shrapnel.

Then you have the evidence videotaped showing BUKs being evacuated from the area right after the plane was shot down, people even geolocated the route and everything and had plenty of pictures. This was literally right after the plane was shot down, surely not suspicious at all, right?

if it was a mistake, the best thing Russia could do is just fucking admit that they supplied the BUK and the rebels shot it down by mistake.

Slavs have a history of shooting down airliners and not apologizing for it though, I expect the Russians / Rebels to never actually admit what happened. I wager that the guys who were operating the BUK are either dead, or protected by the Russian government.

Hudson Powell
Hudson Powell

prove:
youtu.be/MhJJYANt0s8?t=4m25s

Nolan Sanchez
Nolan Sanchez

Of negligency? Yes, but mostly the european aviation agency, who aproved the routes over eastern ukraine.
But there are also the material perpetrators.

Ayden Jones
Ayden Jones

Me too; shitposting and derailing shill threads is nowhere near as fun.

Sebastian Ramirez
Sebastian Ramirez

So it's been more like two years since this tragedy.

Holy fuck time flies.

Landon Peterson
Landon Peterson

Media and (thus) the general public blamed Russia since day one yet no real action (sanctions/diplomatic penalties etc) has been taken against Moscow. Our pro EU government is heavy in favor of Poroshenko.

I guess we're on a point where every negative action against against Russia is applauded but being the tiny speck of land we are theres nothing we can or will do.

Julian Long
Julian Long

Obviously the rebels fucking did it

It was the airline's fault for flying over a warzone, one where planes had been shot down before

Obviously Russia and the rebels would fucking deny everything as the West would use it as an excuse for more sanctions, which they would have done anyways no matter which way the investigation went

Christian Robinson
Christian Robinson

Russia is at fault, but you shouldn't be flying a fucking 747 in a warzone.

Hudson Torres
Hudson Torres

Vote Trump ruskiebro and maybe the west can find a new boogeyman. I vote for Australia.

Jason Robinson
Jason Robinson

what about a 777?

Joshua Walker
Joshua Walker

They thought it was safe at high altitude because no one really knew the rebels were using high altitude SAMs.

Most of the aircraft that had been shot down at that point were from man-portable SAMs and were flying at low altitude.

Jordan Wilson
Jordan Wilson

Milfag here.

It was Russia.

Brayden Scott
Brayden Scott

Where was smoke trail?
Why the shitty firing angle?
Where was the BUK's radar information coming from, seeing as those BUK's that supposedly did it only have short range radar?
US Satellites were overhead at the exact time this happened. Where are photos?
AWACS were flying around the area. Where are the radar images?
What was the radar contact shadowing MH17 on Russian radar before it went down?

Slavs have a history of shooting down airlines
What is Iran Air 665?

Adam Young
Adam Young

The Russian 53rd AAM brigade.

bellingcat.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/mh17-two-years-later.pdf

Logan Bell
Logan Bell

milfag
122 confirmed emu kills
Sounds legit.

Brandon Anderson
Brandon Anderson

Russia is at fault? Do you have any idea how many cruelties against humanity have been committed with arms supplied by the USA to "third" parties? The whole Middle East is on fire because of external governments providing arms to allied groups.

William Reyes
William Reyes

Enter Cred Forums
You're here forever.
Ahaha, I can leave whenever I want.
2 years pass.
Maybe I'll stop coming here... I'll quit next week.
3 years pass.
Who am I kidding I love this place. Those crazy kikes and their crazy plans.
4 years pass.
Why would I ever leave? You can't make me leave. Who said anything about leaving?
5 years pass.
I speak for Cred Forums as Cred Forums speaks through me.

Aaron Powell
Aaron Powell

This wasn't arms supplied to third parties. This were Russian soldiers. They ran across the border as soon as they realized they fucked up. Putin probably killed them asap anyways.

Juan Gomez
Juan Gomez

I'm not saying it was shot with cannon fire, I'm saying the old liveleak video had the men on the ground looking at the wreckage and saying it looked like bullet holes. As for the Buk evacuation footage, that was shown to have been some stock footage from the Russian intervention in South Ossetia back in 2008.

Eli Carter
Eli Carter

Russia did it, no more doubt the who killed Nicola Brown.

Russia lost billions in overfly money from countries that dont believe them. Libya paid for Lockerbie to the tune of BILLIONS in compensation.

You don't think the Dutch/Malaysia Air don't want money?

Aiden Cooper
Aiden Cooper

Ukraine let them fly over a warzone. What a dumb fucking retards.

Evan Sanders
Evan Sanders

Ha, pretty much. I've taken breaks from here, but always end up coming back because its just so entertaining. Literally new content every time you refresh page.

Jacob Mitchell
Jacob Mitchell

what the fuck is a sebastopol
what the fuck is flying speed
what the fuck is a tank-like vehicle

god i hate infographics

Jacob Collins
Jacob Collins

Slavs have a history of shooting down airliners and not apologizing for it though
Well you never apologized for 4th airliner you shot down on 9/11. Or Iranian one. Don't pretend it's a slav thing.

Blake Adams
Blake Adams

/Thread

Tyler Gray
Tyler Gray

a bunch of gooks get ass blasted out of the sky by a bunch of Slavs having a chimp out
maybe they shouldn't have flown over a war zone?

Isaiah Rivera
Isaiah Rivera

Slavs have a history of shooting down airliners and not apologizing for it though
Yes. See Tu-154 Black See Incident.

Benjamin Davis
Benjamin Davis

Nice source you've got there.

Sebastian Ward
Sebastian Ward






It's no longer a matter of "consensus" or opinion. The overwhelming digital, photographic, radio, video, satellite and physical evidence proves beyond any doubt that a Russian-controlled missile system fired pon and shot down a commercial airliner.

In addition, Russia created the "war zone" in Eastern Ukraine by invading a sovereign nation in contravention of treaty, international law, and borders that Russia had officially recognized.

By firing weapons of war in a ICAO victor airway on an unarmed civilian aircraft without provocation, Russia is clearly guilty of committing war crimes against the victims.

Carson White
Carson White

1: Ukraine shot it down
2: Ukraine deliberately

Putin's trolls desperately deflecting blame.

Hunter Smith
Hunter Smith

When has that source been wrong?

Christian Walker
Christian Walker

Nope, It points to Russian soldiers. No one would be retarded enough to give a coal miner a surface to air missile... just dumb enough to give it go a Russian conscript

Nolan Russell
Nolan Russell

invading a sovereign nation
never happened :^

Logan Stewart
Logan Stewart

I'm convinced they were trying to shoot Putins plane down but got the planes mixed up because of similarities in looks of the planes paint schemes. If I recall they flew through the area at similar times.

Henry Wright
Henry Wright

you dumb nigger

Brayden Bailey
Brayden Bailey

Russian-controlled
In the sense that it was a weapon system built by Russia and operated by the Ukraine. Yes.

Carter Morales
Carter Morales

How could they even physically see it? Are you stupid?

Hudson Peterson
Hudson Peterson

No, in the sense that it was controlled by Russians and driven back across the border into Russia. There's fucking dash cam footage of it happening.

Oliver Martinez
Oliver Martinez

Definantly this, The point of impact were in the cockpit which basically sucked the aircraft in a steep angle down towards the ground rather quickly.
If it was a Ukranian su-25 as stated by Russia then it would have been shot down by a r-60M heatseaking missle which would impact from the rear in the engine.
The aircraft would have continued to fly and would have either landed or crashed on Russian territory.
Also a little sidenote Su-25 aircrafts have a maximum service altitude of 6km which is way too low considering the fact that mh-17 were up at 11km.
Even if the su-25 managed to fire an r-60m towards the place it would have lost energy before it even reached it.
Case officially debunked, It was show down by a BUK system (probably without a TELAR unit)

Asher Richardson
Asher Richardson

they regularly flew over donbas before the war
then they stopped flying over the donbas when planes started getting shot down
then they fly over the donbas on july 17

not that hard

Jeremiah Ortiz
Jeremiah Ortiz

Only in the sense that many Ukrainians are Russian.

Tyler Lewis
Tyler Lewis

we know Russian army is there because soldiers use AK-47 and T-55. Russian weapons! who in the world could possibly use those? noone! check mate

Juan Gonzalez
Juan Gonzalez

Well looks like RIDF is back in full force.

I'm surprised no one is blaming it on a Su-25 yet.

Bentley Sullivan
Bentley Sullivan

Not sure what happened there but if was blown out the air the same way as the Russian airplane over Sinai.

Jews

Eli Russell
Eli Russell

A shit ton of flights were directed over donbas that day due to weather.........

Jeremiah Butler
Jeremiah Butler

How much awareness of their situation would those on board have had? Would many people if any likely have been concious as they hit the ground? Would they have heard the missile coming, had any sign?

Jackson Hall
Jackson Hall

When it cobbled together it's own tenuous narrative by conducting a meta-analysis of all of the bullshit spewed by the msm sources they chose to include.

Alexander Hernandez
Alexander Hernandez

The Ukraine shot down a civilian airliner with a buk before and then lied about.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_Airlines_Flight_1812

You know how it goes:
Fool me once, shame on you
Fool me twice, won't get fooled again

Lincoln Taylor
Lincoln Taylor

How many outside of Russia use a VAL?

Evan Fisher
Evan Fisher

Ever ask yourself how so many aircraft got shot down in so little time?

Ryder Watson
Ryder Watson

cam footage of it happening.
middle of nowhere
buk riding somewhere who knows when
yeah, 100% proven now.

Evan Turner
Evan Turner

Except the JIT has verified all their findings. While Russia has been caught in multiple lies.

James Sanchez
James Sanchez

bellingcat

Ethan Martin
Ethan Martin

Weird how they could be lurking here for years...just waiting to leap. It almost seems like these are normal Cred Forumstards who are not part of a vast Russian conspiracy, but just have a different opinion...
But that just sounds crazy. amirite?

Cameron Flores
Cameron Flores

With pictures of the same BUK in Ukraine?

Henry Taylor
Henry Taylor

yes also TOS-1, AS-VAL and other systems which have never been in Ukranian service have been found in Donbass region.
At best Russia has a minor weapons leak which itself is bad enough and should be stopped.

Austin Scott
Austin Scott

I'm convinced they were trying to shoot Putins plane down
Doe Vladimir promote you on whoever tells the best lies?

Daniel Stewart
Daniel Stewart

I know right. Its almost like a pattern. Russia gives Surface to air missiles to separatists and they shoot down civilian aircraft.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transair_Georgia_airliner_shootdowns

Ethan Sullivan
Ethan Sullivan

Verified how? By asking the same groups with the same bias?

Caleb King
Caleb King

If its proven they were Russian soldiers taking orders from the Russian government I'm too willing to point the finger. As long as there's no clear situation on who they were under what conditions i'm sticking to seperatist forces fighting a civil war.

ps. Does anyone know why the annexation of Crimea was accepted by foreign parties? Couldnt Russia have done the same with Donetsk and Luhansk?

Hudson Ortiz
Hudson Ortiz

The JIT.

Wyatt Watson
Wyatt Watson

The Ukrainians had a few but once the conflict started the Pro Russian side was flooded with them. Along with just about every other New Russian weapon system available.

Adrian Nelson
Adrian Nelson

It's did the khohols. It's obviously. But the European media will lie - Ukraine is a US puppet (like all of Europe).

pivopotam.livejournal.com/395481.html

Kayden Peterson
Kayden Peterson

You will lose this fucking confrontation.

Leo Sullivan
Leo Sullivan

So its okay as long as Russia only gave them permission to cross the border and gave them the buk?

Adrian Sanchez
Adrian Sanchez

Holes in plane like cannon bullets

But but it was a missile , yeah right , it was a hohol JET

James Carter
James Carter

this, clearly

Caleb Gutierrez
Caleb Gutierrez

So it was video of ukranian buk? they have some.
AS-Vals can be bought on black market after chechen wars.
TOS-1 is interesting though. You got any photo/video from donbass?

Justin Thompson
Justin Thompson

was meant for

Xavier Parker
Xavier Parker

KEK

Blake Mitchell
Blake Mitchell

In the sense that it was a weapon system built by Russia and operated by the Ukraine. Yes
This is where Russia seriously fucked up. If Putin had left his Buk there, he could have claimed it was the separatists who made the mistake and distanced himself from the atrocity.

Instead, the satellite photos show Russia moved their BUKs back into Russian territory, proving they were under Russian military control the entire time and proving Putin is complicit in the criminal coverup..

Jordan Jones
Jordan Jones

How about a T-72b3

Alexander Nguyen
Alexander Nguyen

due to weather

Jeremiah Morales
Jeremiah Morales

Prove it wrong. They came to the same conclusion the investigation came to but much much faster. Not to mention they have been consistent with their theory, unlike the Russians who have had and still have like 5 theories.

Stop being a SJW and come up with evidence and challenge it. If you cant shit down and shut up.

Ethan Cox
Ethan Cox

the satellite photos show
Care to share those?

Aaron Robinson
Aaron Robinson

can shoot down warplanes travelling at flying speed at up to 70,000 feet

It's probably right but the wording makes it seem like an error.

Jose Taylor
Jose Taylor

It doesn't make it okay but there's a line between supplying an allied party outside your own territory fighting a common enemy (war by proxy) and sending your own men and your own material to take actions on your command.

David Flores
David Flores

uhhhh yeah, it was directed north due to weather. Every plane that day was. There were multiple civilian airliners over that area. Ever hear of clear air turbulence?

Gavin Cruz
Gavin Cruz

Or it could be that the Ukrainians shot it down just as the Russian's assert, knowing full well that the US could take some juicy photos of the Russian air defences, forcing Russia to withdraw through fear of exposing their assets on the ground in Ukraine, thus allowing Ukraine to resume airstrikes against separatists in that area. Just a thought.

Bentley Thomas
Bentley Thomas

Doesn't matter, Cred Forums will always defend its favorite third world country.

Landon Perry
Landon Perry

Russia gives Surface to air missiles to separatists
Don't worry comrade, the Ukrainian separatists will be returned to the Russian motherland soon

Jaxon Edwards
Jaxon Edwards

TOS-1
OSEC confirmed it, they never got a photo. However I got a folder of a bunch of other Russian equipment from Ukraine. Please give me a reason to dump it.

Ryder Garcia
Ryder Garcia

I can't tell T-55 from 72 or T-90. They all look alike fro me. New engines and computers inside maybe .

Julian Richardson
Julian Richardson

The Crimea is now apart of Russia.
It was fucking annexed

Benjamin White
Benjamin White

It was reported by OSCE that Novorossiya rebels operated one system, How it got there is another question.
That report came in september 2015.
The system was spotted near the village Kruhlyk but it has not been seen firing, Only being on DNR controlled soil.

Grayson Lee
Grayson Lee

Care to share those?
sure

No wait, that was the one Russia falsified and tried to pass off as legit.

Oops.

Thomas Jenkins
Thomas Jenkins

Well those are T-72B3s, only entered service in Russia a few years ago. Never with Ukraine.

Adrian King
Adrian King

The Ukraine directed MH17 slightly north of a safe flight path with clear weather to a warzone with clear weather due to turbulence
The Ukraine directed planes to a warzone due to turbulence

alrite m8

Aaron Ortiz
Aaron Ortiz

invading
retard

Samuel Campbell
Samuel Campbell

USA should have just wiped russia off the map the day they invented the hydrogen bomb

James Hill
James Hill

Khajiit has wares, get yours today!

Alexander Myers
Alexander Myers

The russian government has only ever had one line on what happened; that it was shot down by a ukranian jet with an air to air missile. They didn't even state the type of jet. The msm just ran with the Su-25 story as it is easily disproved even though it is widely known that Ukraine was operating Mig 29s

Isaiah Nelson
Isaiah Nelson

That is Kontakt-5 ERA armour aswell or am i seeing something else?

Jaxson Morales
Jaxson Morales

OSEC confirmed it, they never got a photo.
Oh how inconvenient, all those phones with cameras discharge near russian army in Ukraine, must be another inhuman superweapon of Putin.

Luis Price
Luis Price

Russia
Russian Cred Forums
Knowing the difference

I mean, shit, I know that when I post on American Cred Forums, I speak with the full authority of the US DoD, but things work differently in Russia.

Juan Brooks
Juan Brooks

Iwan is right though. It's sickening how this tragedy has been used to play out the whole 'EU vs Russia' thing. If you think about it, there really is nothing to gain for either the rebels or the actual Russians to take down a passenger aeroplane. The real blame lies with the filthy hohol government who declared the aerospace safe, our dumbfuck government who believed them and the Skype airlines who sacrificed 200 human beings to save three nickles on gas.

Connor Baker
Connor Baker

fucking Pootin shills working overtime

Robert Wood
Robert Wood

Initiated by Ukrainian citizens...

Nice use of your language though, kike in training.

Dominic Lewis
Dominic Lewis

Or it could be that the Ukrainians
Or it could have been the Easter bunny!

That's how ridiculous you sound

Zachary King
Zachary King

I think that many have not served in the army and did not know that, for the missile guidance necessary radar. Radar+ launcher + missiles. How does it all come from the militias, if Ukraine and the U.S. monitor the border of Russia?
Niger decided to deceive the whole world, again.

Sebastian Robinson
Sebastian Robinson

Oops.

Jaxson Gray
Jaxson Gray

It was a common route up until MH17 got shot down.

Jason Young
Jason Young

The Ukrainians already used false-flag sniper fire to get their coup. This isn't much of a stretch.

Ryan Phillips
Ryan Phillips

It is Kontakt-5

Joshua Williams
Joshua Williams

Clinton News Network
This is proof that Russia is innocent. If CNN said it, the opposite must be true.

Eli Edwards
Eli Edwards

we covered this
common route before the war
uncommon route when planes got shot down
until July 17,2014

Ryder Cox
Ryder Cox

Just go over to /k/. We will set you straight. Leave the retardation here though.

It's not that hard to tell the difference if you take the time to notice the differences. If you know what you are talking about you can automatically tell the Russian governments story is full of shit.

For instance. By looking at the road wheels and bits on the ground that one of these tanks is a Ukrainian T-64BV and the other is a Russian T-72B1. There is actually a really interesting story behind the pic but its not worth getting into it here and now.

Juan Peterson
Juan Peterson

Conclusive evidence is supposed to come from a US satellite or US radar stations based in Ukraine for 'NATO' reasons.

The recorded data is classified beyond classified and nobody in the US gouvernment seems inclined to divulge it.

Guess why.

Jaxson Flores
Jaxson Flores

It was Mossad all along

Grayson Sanchez
Grayson Sanchez

turn off those proxies vlad

Jaxon Turner
Jaxon Turner

It was Russian supported rebels. There is no question anymore.

The funny thing is we literally had the photo evidence of the rocket launch and where the vehicles were moving from on day 1 and it took this long for western leaders to push the issue. It's a heavy duty situation, but facts are facts.

Lucas Butler
Lucas Butler

zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-15/did-ukraine-attack-its-own-tanks-white-house-cant-confirm-russian-convoy-was-destroy

You know, you're probably arguing a paid shill.

Jonathan Cox
Jonathan Cox

It was fucking annexed
No shots were fired (well no 1 idiot got killed). 2/3 or ukranian troops stationed there joined russian army later. Hardly an agressive act if locals are cool with it. Crimeans are fine, russians are fine, only ebil ukranians are bitter.

Brayden Moore
Brayden Moore

Ukrainians would never shoot down a civilian airliner with a Russian missile and lie about it
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_Airlines_Flight_1812

Isaac Gray
Isaac Gray

I just posted a flight density within 48 hours of the shoot down. There were dozens of planes in the area you dunce.

The slavs turned on their new toy and fucked up.

Parker Wright
Parker Wright

Honestly who gives a fuck at the end of the day

over 200 people die every minute on this planet anyways

Its the typical small tragedy being milked to divide us

putin and what he believes in is evil look at this poor plane
now accept 2 million more refugees. you dont want to be an intolerant killer like putin do you?

Aiden Gutierrez
Aiden Gutierrez

lol zerohedge

Jackson Allen
Jackson Allen

I could potentially accept people getting a T-72 wrapped up in ERA mixed up with a T-90

But mistaking a T-55 with any of the other two is just retarded

Have you not done your conscription yet?

Jason Foster
Jason Foster

The Ukraine started moving flights into a warzone 48 hours before the shootdown
This proves the Ukraine is not responsible

alrite m8

Grayson Cruz
Grayson Cruz

Luckily for you /k/ has compiled photos of just about every other Russian vehicle fighting in Ukraine.

Lincoln Reed
Lincoln Reed

The overwhelming digital, photographic, radio, video, satellite and physical evidence
I've seen no "evidence" whatsoever. If it exists it wasn't available when the accident happened.

Russia created the "war zone
You don'thonestly believe that I hope

By firing weapons of war in a ICAO victor airway
Regardless of what happened, the person that allowed that plane to fly that route is more guilty than whoever shot it down. Assuming it wasn't the same people.

Nathan Perez
Nathan Perez

youtube.com/watch?v=OGvF8GLVKp4

Dominic Gomez
Dominic Gomez

Ukraine deliberately directed the aircraft directly over Rebel territory because they knew it would shot down and they were desperate for attention from the international community

Lucas Clark
Lucas Clark

That's not what toothpaste looks like goddammit

Ayden Stewart
Ayden Stewart

This retard again?

Anthony Ramirez
Anthony Ramirez

(((war crimes)))

no such thing shlomo

and by the definition of your (((war crimes))) the US is also "guilty" of many.

fuck me this is a mini version of OY VEY REMEMBAH DA SIX GORILLION

Kayden Gutierrez
Kayden Gutierrez

Abloo bloo bloo abloo abloo. Okay I admit it, Russia did it. P-please d-don't hurt Putin-sama.

Lincoln Brown
Lincoln Brown

What will you take:
1) Rebels are incompetent or evilâ„¢
2) Ukraine does diversion to stop rebel ground advances and get upper hand in information war.

Jayden Collins
Jayden Collins

The only retard - is the American Negro.

Easton Rogers
Easton Rogers

They deliberately directed traffic over the area for decades? Because That was a very common flight path.

Nolan Gonzalez
Nolan Gonzalez

never happened :^
Then why did Russia show this map in 2010?

Doesn't look like Eastern Ukraine or Crimea is part of Russia then.

Brayden Fisher
Brayden Fisher

Because of the recent events/escalations taking place in Syria, It was time to start pumping up the anti Russian propaganda again.

Josiah Campbell
Josiah Campbell

underrated

Hunter Bailey
Hunter Bailey

You got more photos?
I have already seen many when i followed it intensely back in 2014-2015 but please drop me more guys hehe.

Cooper Smith
Cooper Smith

known warzone
commercial flights banned
all other commercial flights that day diverted
Russians attacked all that day by Ukrainian air force warplanes
I don't know user, it is a mystery. It must be because Putin is so evil and mad with power and also he doesn't rewind his video cassettes. He is so bad I hate him so much.

Jaxson Young
Jaxson Young

pic related

James Nelson
James Nelson

Will visit Russia next year -> Crimea :D.. gosh how EU whines bout 100 lifes..

Jayden Barnes
Jayden Barnes

This is a lie. There was no ban, and there were other civilian airliners on the same path that day.

Adam Sanders
Adam Sanders

You do realize that the Russian media is controlled by the Russian government. Not to mention the Buk manufacturer is shilling for the state as well.

Oh yea RT also got the Russian air force to shoot 30mm rounds at an aircraft for a TV show. The MSM was running with it because the Russian media was pushing it.

Christian Ramirez
Christian Ramirez

russia dindu

Joseph Powell
Joseph Powell

WHO FUCKING CARES

PUTIN AT THE END OF THE DAY HAS SAVED UKRAINE FROM BEING FLOODED WITH (((EU))) MANDATED REFUGEES

If 200 have to die to keep the (((EU))) from expanding further then so be it.

The Russian army needs to go to Europe put all the muslims in planes and fucking shoot them down

Benjamin Hall
Benjamin Hall

Israel

Samuel Harris
Samuel Harris

This is a lie. There was no ban, and there were other civilian airliners on the same path that day.
Can you post source of the original image you posted because it contradicts other data.

Nathan Kelly
Nathan Kelly

Russia show this map
Some shitty media map
Text reads: Ukrainian people have nothing to fear of Russian invasion

Landon Moore
Landon Moore

So what's the game plan then?

Are both sides just settling into another Transnistria?

Or will the righteous fury of the based Novorossiyan army going to flow once again and liberate Mariupol, Slovyansk Kharkov and push all the way to Dnieper!

Zachary Walker
Zachary Walker

Ukraine shot it down.
The reason the investigation never claimed it was Russia is because it was Ukraine.
Ukraine allowed the planes to fly through a warzone with active SAMs. It then directed the plane to fly at a lower altitude just before it was wasted.
If there was proof that it was Russia they would declare it. But since there's no proof they just imply it.

Christopher Johnson
Christopher Johnson

They had nothing to gain and everything to lose on that one.
Actually, Ukraine lost nothing at all from this event. It gained them sympathy from people around the world and angered people toward Russia. They stood to gain a lot.

Jordan Cruz
Jordan Cruz

Fly over restricted airspace
get shot

Andrew Brooks
Andrew Brooks

Russia dindu nuffin. Russia good boi. Ebil Ukrainian nazis controlled by juice shot the plane down to frame poor Russia. Vodka nigger logic.

Aaron White
Aaron White

Definately.

Ayden Edwards
Ayden Edwards

Wrong, it's documented and reported in Western mainstream media. Everyone else was diverted.

Austin Kelly
Austin Kelly

Ok Mongoloid

How many proxies are you behind ivan?

Leo Kelly
Leo Kelly

Is the us military? They have such a Department...

Caleb Campbell
Caleb Campbell

Peter Hitchen's article about the event:

dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2698652/PETER-HITCHENS-Mourn-victims-dont-turn-one-tragedy-global-catastrophe.html

Jonathan Reed
Jonathan Reed

don't care who did it, just kinda sucks to get dieded because of some slav shit conflict when all you want is go to thailand to fuck ladyboys on the cheap

John Williams
John Williams

it wasnt restricted though.

Liam Ortiz
Liam Ortiz

In my opinion, MH17 is the MH370 airframe.

Ethan Clark
Ethan Clark

If the Ukranians were really "nazis" why would they want to join the Eurabian union of tolerance cuckery and open borders?

Brandon Diaz
Brandon Diaz

Fly over unrestricted airspace
Should've been restricted by the appropriate national authorities
Get shot
Nobody blames those authorities

Juan Morris
Juan Morris

Wrong, you fucking nigger.

news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/singapore-airlines-plane-was-minutes-away-when-mh17-shot/news-story/a26837b2a14df57fe994a88ea7f642a5

Camden Reyes
Camden Reyes

Yea sure I'll dump. Go on /k/ some time.

Henry Nguyen
Henry Nguyen

How that pic contradicts what he is saying? That pic is showing the last 48 hours flights, and there were many flights in the area.

Jonathan Gomez
Jonathan Gomez

how much proofs you need?

Jeremiah Cooper
Jeremiah Cooper

"Azov battalion dancing.mpeg"

Cameron Thomas
Cameron Thomas

No, it's a depiction of a Russian company that does professional shilling on behalf of the Russian government. You haven't heard of it because all of your TV stations, radio stations, and newspapers are either directly controlled by the Russian government or friends of Putin. I'm actually surprised Roskomnadzor even lets you Russians get on Cred Forums to begin with.

Juan Gonzalez
Juan Gonzalez

Ayeah i will, Gotta get tips on what to do with my ruger 10/22 and Remington 870 so i will go there for some advice anotherday hehe.
I remember the old days when stuff actually happend in Ukraine like Debaltseve and the furious battle of Donetsk airport etc..

Luis White
Luis White

It was da joos

Liam Jones
Liam Jones

Hillary...
youtube.com/watch?v=3i7ZBpR886g
youtube.com/watch?v=GWKn_TX9ZpY

Dylan Anderson
Dylan Anderson

I dunno. Ask Putin shills in here. According to them some day Ukrainians are Jew puppets, other days they are Evil Nazis, some days they don't exist, sometimes they're actually Russian etc. this is what happens when you mix vodka, paranoia and schizophrenia together.

Adam Adams
Adam Adams

what is the consensus?
Based on reading this thread, I'd say the Cred Forums consensus is that Ukraine sent a plane to a warzone and either shot it themselves or tricked the separatists into thinking it was military

But there is a small autistic minority of /k/-tier retards who believe anything that thr US government tells them

Carter Parker
Carter Parker

Shills claiming that anyone who doesn't agree with them is shill

Parker Watson
Parker Watson

rebels were using high altitude SAMs.
They weren't
shot down at that point were from man-portable SAMs and were flying at low altitude.
They were

Mason Turner
Mason Turner

Is this call of duty black ops emblem?

Ayden King
Ayden King

It was shot down by Mossad

Benjamin Price
Benjamin Price

holy vpn ctr batman

Kevin Morgan
Kevin Morgan

I've seen no "evidence" whatsoever.
Pretending won't help at this point.

You don'thonestly believe that I hope
It universally accepted as a fact among rational people. Moskva is still power-trolling denial on teh intewebs

the person that allowed that plane to fly that route
It an international flight route. That victor airway has been there for decades.and dozens of airliners fly it every day

is more guilty than whoever shot it down
The victim is responsible for the murderer, with the intent to kill, loading the gun, taking aim and deliberately pulling the trigger?

The Russians had to deliberately fire that missile at that airliner.

Lying for a living on Putin's troll squad must be better than living in Astrakhan. No ruble for you.

Zachary Brooks
Zachary Brooks

Anyone got the bullet hole pics?

Aaron Sullivan
Aaron Sullivan

I never said he was...
I just want to know where he got the image from because I haven't seen it before. I've seen similar pictures that show the MH17 had a significantly different flight path - also, at a more magnified, detailed scale.

Jaxon Ortiz
Jaxon Ortiz

Reported media

They will literally run with anything, they are retarded. Any thing going on outside the US they have no clue about. Most journalists don't even know RT, Sputnik are shit sites.

The right wing parties are actually against immigration and the EU but see it as the lesser evil to Russia which is actively trying to kill them. Funny thing is that if they were in Greece, Italy or Germany they would be getting interviews and praise from RT. But because they are anti Russian and their grandfathers preferred Hitler over Stalin they are called Nazis.

pic related

Tyler Russell
Tyler Russell

EU = gibmedats. Ukranian mind is pretty simple that way. They don't look at Romania in EU. They look at Germany and yey we be like that gimme gimme.
I'll take your word on it.

Justin Clark
Justin Clark

Yep, its been used in so many places now, whoever designs these insignias probably googles "skull logo" and copies it lol.

Lucas Cruz
Lucas Cruz

I didn't claim that at all. You claimed that the picture was of a US military unit that conduct professional shilling, I claimed that it was a depiction of a Russian company that practices Information Confrontation on behalf of the Russian government, and that you probably haven't heard of it because of the massive state-sponsored information censorship practice by the Russian Federal Government.

It is quite obviously a picture of Vladimir V. Putin with a ski mask over his head, meant to parody the "Little Green Men" that were Russian soldiers annexing Crimea in 2014.

nytimes.com/2016/05/31/world/europe/russia-finland-nato-trolls.html?_r=0

Jason Robinson
Jason Robinson

Malaysia Airlines isn't safe to fly

Brody Young
Brody Young

Text reads: Ukrainian people have nothing to fear of Russian invasion

Russia: Lying early and lying often.

It quite obvious Russia recognized the international border of Ukraine then. So any pretending now is just dishonest.

Russians = liars

Brody Morales
Brody Morales

Any Russian that believes the ukraine did it at this point is retarded

Jaxon Perez
Jaxon Perez

niggers and jews

i mean what else is there, right guise?

Jacob Garcia
Jacob Garcia

It universally accepted as a fact
Voting on facts, only in America.

Connor Ramirez
Connor Ramirez

Thanks for pic.
The right wing parties are actually against immigration and the EU but see it as the lesser evil to Russia which is actively trying to kill them.
True, many Cred Forumsacks view the world as black/white you either are this or that, There is no inbetween.
Funny thing is that if they were in Greece, Italy or Germany they would be getting interviews and praise from RT. But because they are anti Russian and their grandfathers preferred Hitler over Stalin they are called Nazis.
This.

Kayden Baker
Kayden Baker

It wasn't me saying anything about US

Jacob Kelly
Jacob Kelly

Russian weapon used by rusian backed separatists. Eveybody hates the rusky's for it, including me

Connor Sanders
Connor Sanders

Isn't it weird how some Ukrainian IPs get Russian flags?

Caleb Gomez
Caleb Gomez

Attempted assassination of Putin as he came back from Brazil that same day at that same location. It failed because Putin always has a decoy plane with a swapped electronics box masking as his own near his flight paths. Truly a master chess player.

Adam Garcia
Adam Garcia

You probably shouldn't call Putin retarded, Comrade.

Joshua King
Joshua King

Ukraine allowed the planes to fly through a warzone with active SAMs.
Russia made it a war zone when Russia invaded Ukraine.

Russia deliberately deployed anti-air missile batteries into Ukraine to shoot down aircraft

Russian controlled the anti air forces and missile systems

Russia shot down the civilian airliner.

Russian trolls hit Cred Forums to fabricate confusion.

That's the factual chronology.

Bentley Scott
Bentley Scott

Cred Forums
Well, that Ukrainian "patriots" are Not advised to visit the Russian 2ch.hk
However, the owner 2ch.hk said on his site was hacking, so at the moment it is repaired (I'm sure it did khohols).
youtube.com/watch?v=yPm-DNb4bAI

Lucas Price
Lucas Price

Millions of ukies hide in Russia from conscription. So they have fight for their country from their russian grandma basement.

Logan Howard
Logan Howard

If you want a good depiction of the Right sector skip to the interviews in this. There are a few retarded patriotic scenes but it's a good documentary. There are also a few good ones by the separatists. Sparta battalion is probably one of the only units fighting that isn't completely Russian.
youtube.com/watch?v=jgAjksaAb8c

One more pic

Jordan Rivera
Jordan Rivera

Raging anti Russian website
Open source Investigation
Pick one

Julian Hall
Julian Hall

This is a lie, Putin was no where near Ukraine.

Xavier Anderson
Xavier Anderson

Haha faggot those are lies and u know it, gtfo

Isaiah Perry
Isaiah Perry

Let me guess, the main weapons expert is an out of work, stay at home dad, from Shepard's Twat, England. Geo-positioning launchers and airspace based on social media and maps his kids made him for being a #1 war forensics expert..
I'll look at the datum and decide later.
Up Donbas!

Noah Bell
Noah Bell

There was a Crimean guy on /sg/ a week or two ago who said that some days he gets a Russian flag and some days he gets a Ukrainian flag

Hunter James
Hunter James

Finally some one who gets it.

Raging anti Russian website

And that makes it wrong? Show us how they are wrong.

Ryder Watson
Ryder Watson

Man this misinformed

William Flores
William Flores

Russia isn't chock full of nationalists?

This is why everybody laughs at you.

Jackson Gomez
Jackson Gomez

This is for you Obama said?

Matthew Rivera
Matthew Rivera

Are you a member of the dutch committee that waited two years to publish their report. Until after they miraculously found (((irrefutable evidence))) on (((social media))) two years later?

Nothing suspicious going on here. Nosiree.

Eli Powell
Eli Powell

No, Obama is a nigger

Carson Roberts
Carson Roberts

Can't watch the video apperently it is blocked for me kek.
Sparta battalion is probably one of the only units fighting that isn't completely Russian.
What about Somali batallion etc.. What % of Russians do they have or do you think they operate seperately?
I have spoken with Swedish volunteers who told me that they could tell the difference between fighting DNR miners and other militia and Russian units.
According to them, Russian units were alot more aggressive and were way too coordinated for them being a bunch of miners with guns.
And they have spent years in the military prior to going there.
So they are not some random hobos without experience.

Jose Miller
Jose Miller

m.youtube.com/watch?v=PUl9z7VgsTI

All the info you need plus footage from the day and the day after the incident. Now fuck off

David Anderson
David Anderson

Man, this artist is brilliant

Oliver Brown
Oliver Brown

why would Putin be flying over a warzone
This.
Rebels with Russian supplied SAMs, or Russians themselves shot it down.
Ukrainian government still gets the blame for sending commercial flights over a warzone where they knew shit was getting shot out of the sky.

Joseph Hughes
Joseph Hughes

Attempted assassination of Putin
Just stop dude, No one is that stupid, not even you.

Eli Bell
Eli Bell

That was a very common flight path.
Not during a war, it isn't.

Nathan Allen
Nathan Allen

Putin, flying home from Brazil, used the same flight-path as the Malaysian passenger jet - less than one hour before it was hit
express.co.uk/news/world/490530/Russian-Media-Coverage-Vladimir-Putin-assassination-attempt-Malaysia-Airlines-MH17

Nice try shill

William Nguyen
William Nguyen

couldn't prove Russia was responsible for two years
finds (((evidence))) on (((social media))) two years later
100% scientific goys!

Jason Sanders
Jason Sanders

The cockholes did it under instruction of the hillary machine becuse it had aids researchers on board who would have jeopardized CHAI's existence in the future.

Kevin Rodriguez
Kevin Rodriguez

m.youtube.com/watch?v=PUl9z7VgsTI Its dutch but the important footage is in there, including a missing miscle and photo's of the launch

Jayden Reyes
Jayden Reyes

Meanwhile at a /k/ meat up in Montana

OMG every one in Montana is a Nazi!

Matthew Fisher
Matthew Fisher

ctrl + f ''((('' find atleast 3 shills, who knows how many more are here

Jonathan Price
Jonathan Price

The are pics of the trail tart

Oliver Rodriguez
Oliver Rodriguez

Russian diaspora or proxy detected.

Julian Robinson
Julian Robinson

This is by far the most likely true story

Isaac Lopez
Isaac Lopez

There wouldn't have been a war zone to fly over if Russia wasn't handing their soldiers hankerchiefs to cover their faces and calling them rebels while invading other sovereign nations.

Juan Jenkins
Juan Jenkins

Born and raised in murrica achmed, look up who was on that plane.

Sebastian Miller
Sebastian Miller

assumes he knows shit about Russia
assumes he knows shit about everybody

Justin Cruz
Justin Cruz

shilling this hard with no actual argument
being this fucking jewish

Confirmed assassination attempt

Bentley Evans
Bentley Evans

We don't care anymore

Joseph Morgan
Joseph Morgan

pics of the trail
Which they claim to have found on social media more than two years later

Jordan Sanders
Jordan Sanders

Figuring out what happened to one out of two of your planes is a good thing.

Justin Nelson
Justin Nelson

The point is that Ukrainian military and punisher batallions like Azov are nazis, the ones who shell cities and kill civilians.

Daniel Ortiz
Daniel Ortiz

No dude, only Russian speakers use the word cockhole as an insult.
Just a tip for you.

Brandon Martin
Brandon Martin

As someone who used to live in Montana, I can confirm. Meth heads, redneck white nazis and indian alcoholics.

Comfy

Joshua Brown
Joshua Brown

Does it matter who did it if nothing will happen either way?

Gavin Wright
Gavin Wright

What the investigation has concluded has been widly known for year. They just had to cross all of their t's and dot their i's because they knew RIDF would be going after their finding like crazy. They were right. Also it's not like Russia was helpful and investigators have free access to the Don bass and Russia.

Hudson Butler
Hudson Butler

This.

Hudson Parker
Hudson Parker

you can see paint schemes in radar returns

Just fucking kill yourself.

Benjamin Jackson
Benjamin Jackson

The investigation is being hailed as the first war related civilian aircraft disaster to be solved using ONLY social media and consumer level satellite imaging, and Google maps. WE SOLVED THIS ONE GUYS.
I wish I could suck Brown Moses right off. He's the best unemployed accountant turned weapons/air disaster/digital forensic scientist I've ever seen.
What a time to be alive.

Samuel Nguyen
Samuel Nguyen

No mohammed ibn bin al-swedi, cyrillic is slav runes to me, I only stole the word from them.

Julian Green
Julian Green

Dude they fucked up, if the globalists wanted a third war and it was a false flag we would be in an awful war atm.

Landon Smith
Landon Smith

Punisher Battalions

Are you really this retarded? Do you believe everything the Russian media tells you?

Aiden Bennett
Aiden Bennett

Hahaha da ti ne govorit' po russki da?
Fair enough then, I won't bother Vanya.

Blake Cooper
Blake Cooper

Why would Ukraine shoot down a plane? At that time Russia was shooting down lots of Ukrainian aircraft.

If Ukraine had shot it down wouldn't it have better if it had landed in Ukrainian controlled territory for the investigation?

Christopher Hill
Christopher Hill

They literally say in their videos that they didn't find most of the pic & video evidence until 2016 and they found it by searching the internet.

Without those pics and video, you can show that there were buk missiles in Ukraine. But you don't know if the launch site was in Ukrainian held territory or separatist held territory and you can't say anything about where the buk missile came from.

Before 2016 they just had bunch of intercepted cell conversations, provided by Ukrainian intelligence, with separatists talking vaguely about the location of various vehicles.

Joshua Hughes
Joshua Hughes

And Russian crew.

Carson Ross
Carson Ross

Anyone who believes this absurd tale about the magic BUK that did the long trip to ukraine for a single missile is retarded.

There was not radar of it, no photos of the launch nothing.

There is however a non-debunked satelite immage of a Ukie jet downing the plane.

The fact that it's taken the Ukie/amerikikes 2 years to come up with a actual counter-narrative to the swiftly released russian satelite is in itself disqualifying for this stupid hoax.

Blake Williams
Blake Williams

Ukraine just wanted military aid and IMF loans.

Charles Jackson
Charles Jackson

Thanks for the link. This is why I love Cred Forums

Angel Johnson
Angel Johnson

kek

Thomas Cruz
Thomas Cruz

I like how that word triggered you.

Easton Rodriguez
Easton Rodriguez

What do russians know about russia?

Landon Martin
Landon Martin

You know more russian than I do, if I didn't know it was russian from the da I would say it was your own bork bork bork bork language.
And again, you're ignoring the fact that the plane was filled with AIDS researchers from norway.

Joseph Gray
Joseph Gray

Counter-narrative

Are you serious? How many fucking conspiracies has RT and the Russian government come up with?

Do you think investigators just spit out air line investigations? They take many many months if not years.

Ethan Perry
Ethan Perry

Really? How can you even possibly defend ZOG here?

The only reason they've not released american spy-satelite photos of the attack is because it confirms Russian satelite data and they had to construct this absurd hoax.

Stop your retarded illogical shilling.

Lucas Bailey
Lucas Bailey

minor weapons leak
This was admitted. Putin acknowledged that there are volunteers from Russia heading to Ukraine to help.

Camden Watson
Camden Watson

t. Savushkin 55 ST Petersburg, Russian federation.

Thomas Powell
Thomas Powell

Lol no, they know they came out of russia, thought it was an ukranian plane shot it down, the got back to russia when they noticed they fucked up, but they werent discreet enhough about it, and pla thats justa hoax

Adrian Torres
Adrian Torres

Oy Vey a Nazi flag I bet they are about to Holocaust you

Christopher Reed
Christopher Reed

They're Ukranian nationalists tricked into fighting for the kikes. Anyone who calls himself a nazi but puts a kike in power has disqualified himself from Hitlers glorious legacy.

Daniel Baker
Daniel Baker

How did they recorded the radio communications??

Nathan Walker
Nathan Walker

The ukranians fired a secret weapon. They strap a cossack to a rocket and aim at the plane. Coasack makes contact with the plane and destroys it.

Operation Taras Bulba was a success

Heroyam slava

Ayden Rodriguez
Ayden Rodriguez

Clearly your instructors didn't beat you enough during your concription.

Noah Thompson
Noah Thompson

The Ukrainian KGB was happy enough to provide the Dutch investigators with 100% reliable, unmodified, verified recordings.

Jackson Young
Jackson Young

The aircraft was downed by accident from DNR territory.
They missidentified the aircraft as a Ukranian IL-76 or Antonov aircraft.
It was an accident.
Then why haven't he done anything to stop servicemen leaking with all their gear?
It is a very serious matter.
Imagine if one of your neighboring countries had soldiers defecting with stateowned gear.
I would be very worried and do everything i could to stop that from happening if i were in that position.

Asher Hall
Asher Hall

Its war, every celltower is tapped, they've been doing this for ages. Are u srsly not aware we live in the age of government surveilance

Luke Perry
Luke Perry

Who the fuck even cares at this point?

Ethan Jones
Ethan Jones

Pls burger are you so naive you think only the kgb is listening

Tyler Evans
Tyler Evans

(((accident)))
Yeah, what a (((coincidence)))

Hudson Ross
Hudson Ross

The families and the people at RT who keep pumping out stories about how an Su-25 shot it down.

Elijah Gray
Elijah Gray

No, this whole narrative is so rediculously stupid, and noone who supports it has any proof the fighter didnt shoot it down.

Occams razor says to go with the theory that requiers the least amount of assumptions.

The Ukie/amerikike narrative is full of holes, and they have no answer to the Russian one. They need just release the satelite pictures that show that the Ukie Fighter was not there and didnt shoot down the passanger jet.

Why is it not released? Because their immage confirms the Russian narrative.

The USA even released fake spy-satelite photos that had the plane at 20 times the size it should be.

The only explanation for all these holes is that the Russian narrative is correct.

Levi Gonzalez
Levi Gonzalez

shilling russians in here like

Jace Garcia
Jace Garcia

kek, that glorious moment when shilling becomes shitposting

3meta4me

Xavier Foster
Xavier Foster

Russia now claims they didn't have another plane on the radar and it was a BUK.

Their story has changed so often their shills have no idea which one to shill.

Mason Carter
Mason Carter

nice b8 m8

James King
James King

Pretty much.
To me it detracts from the attacks and bombings on civilians that Kiev did, and we funded and continue to fund.
They should have left them alone after the referendum.
Pisses me off that we had/have such a large roll

Josiah Lewis
Josiah Lewis

The reason why it changes is because Russian psyops want to have as many versions as possible out there in order to create confusion.
That is why their narrative differs from day to day hehe.

Xavier Garcia
Xavier Garcia

You do realize that American media is controlled by the American government, Right?

Jason Gomez
Jason Gomez

Cred Forums airforce did it for the lulz.

Aiden Phillips
Aiden Phillips

excellent argument

Hunter Johnson
Hunter Johnson

b-but guys all western media lies we should all watch rt because its unbiased

Josiah Gonzalez
Josiah Gonzalez

Are you serious? How many fucking conspiracies has RT and the Russian government come up with?

I dont know, but on thsi subject the russians have had one narative and it's been the same all the time. Ukie/amerikikes have floundered and been completely dishelved.

It's taken them two years to construct anything even remotely like believeable scenario. With a lot of stupid, non-factual stuff inbetween.

The reason the Ukies ordererd the Fighter to down it was that the retarded ukie kikes shot it down without American clearance. Reasoning that western media was strong enough to just pin it on the separatists without anyone questioning it.

It turned out not to be the case.

Oyyyyy!

Benjamin Russell
Benjamin Russell

There was some government clusterfuck - former, yanukovuch appointed head of aviation service refuse to accept his firing and sued, while barricading in office. That's routine bullshit for Ukraine those days, but situation goes red just couple of days before mh17 - military craft was shut down on 8000+m, that mean it wasn't MANPAD (harmless for civilian liners), and putin is crazy enough to shot long range missiles on a busy civilian route.

Nolan Harris
Nolan Harris

netherlands so mad

Jaxson Kelly
Jaxson Kelly

The Russian narrative has changed about half a dozen times.

Benjamin Harris
Benjamin Harris

So as a Dutch I have been hearing this news the whole day even on late night channels etc.

I think the report was bad. They made it with just

1. Social media images
2. people who witnessed it but won't tell their names
3. ukranian data (didn't Ukraine turn off their radar or deleted it??)
4. 3d situations they created themself

Like I saw a video 11 month's ago of a test in Russia with a remade Malaysia airline plane and a buk rocket. It clearly showed different damage than what they showed on the mh17 airplane.

Then someone asks about this during the interview and the team says "yeah we saw it two weeks ago" while it is almost a year ago.

Tell me how it can be like our report when the damage from the bukrocket alone is different from what hit mh17

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