I never understood this argument

Tyler Diaz
Tyler Diaz

Can someone explain it to me? I think it's literally a way for people to guilt those who don't give a shit into doing something

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youtube.com/watch?v=9RQSm4HKc-s
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Tamir_Rice
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin_of_omission
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David Clark
David Clark

You nailed it.

Aaron Powell
Aaron Powell

Could I just choose oppression from the beginning and save some of my time?

Zachary Evans
Zachary Evans

It's true though

Carter Thompson
Carter Thompson

You're right because oppressor and oppressed is simply a matter of perspective.

Joseph Price
Joseph Price

Why she smiling if she oppressed?

Jeremiah Baker
Jeremiah Baker

How?

Now really. It's pretty obvious that in 1700s and 1800s black slaves were oppressed dude

Luke Sullivan
Luke Sullivan

It's desperate people trying to blackmail neutral parties into taking a side, since they too ignorant to comprehend issues beyond the binary "black/white" dichotomy.

Jaxon Wood
Jaxon Wood

Polarization technique used to facilitate conflict between people. Part of division and conquer.

Angel Powell
Angel Powell

You should be wary anytime somebody's argument is "YOU'RE EITHER WITH US OR AGAINST US"

Nathaniel Hughes
Nathaniel Hughes

Watch someone die
Dont call 911, report the crime, or anything to stop it

Negligence.

Chase Fisher
Chase Fisher

How?
Because every human decides what is just and what is not.

If an event fails to inspire feelings of injustice in you, it means you regard it as "how things ought to be".

I.e. your worldview says that the oppressor is in the right.

Bentley Scott
Bentley Scott

They are just egotists who think they are at the center of the universe. Their faulty logic is exposed when you look at it as a matter of degrees. If they claim non-involved people are actually siding with the oppressor they're potentially tarring billions of people all over the world as their oppressors, which is patently ridiculous. So they backpedal and say "only people who live in my country" except what about children, homeless people, or mental invalids? Well obviously not them either. And so the pool of people they can hold responsible for their discomfort shrinks and shrinks as they make concessions to reasonableness and their little axiom becomes nothing more than a meaningless platitude.

Isaac Moore
Isaac Moore

Or you just don't care.

Blake Ortiz
Blake Ortiz

that bitch is oppressing Indian slaves in the Middle East, get her!

Caleb Adams
Caleb Adams

I think it's literally a way for people to guilt those who don't give a shit into doing something

Well, that is literally what they claim it is as well so I don't know why anyone would dispute that.

Gavin Johnson
Gavin Johnson

Or you just don't care.
that means "everything is right"

You're still siding with the opressor.

Nolan Lewis
Nolan Lewis

Choose or I'll choose for you.
Pretty cut and dry. Liberal Whites are so hungry for validation from minorities so they sense they can guilt you even when you have legit concerns to withhold your advocacy.

John Bell
John Bell

niggers would do the exact same thing if not worse if they were the oppressors(see congo vids/pics on liveleak) it Is much better for whites to be the oppressor.

Matthew Gray
Matthew Gray

Their fault for dying buddy.

Ethan Phillips
Ethan Phillips

Kafka trapping is a tool the left loves

And it is also an extreme logical fallacy.
If you're not a white Nazi extremist Klansman, why do you keep protesting it?
Surely you would join me in condemning all of the white people if you weren't?
Sound familiar? Classic Kafka trap.

Dylan Harris
Dylan Harris

No it doesn't. It means you're apathetic.

Robert Robinson
Robert Robinson

How about not caring about taking sides and going about my business

Blake Foster
Blake Foster

it Is much better for whites to be the oppressor.

being white, i agree

Michael Roberts
Michael Roberts

doing something
not doing something

Choose wisely

William Bell
William Bell

apathy is siding with X

Holy shit you're fucking stupid you dumb nigger.

Jonathan Robinson
Jonathan Robinson

if you don't hold the positions that niggers do it's your fault

Asher Baker
Asher Baker

My counter argument is "it's not my fight. It doesn't affect me, therefore I can't and never will understand it. So no, I'm not the oppressed nor the orppressor so shut the fuck up."

It works on my nutty SJW friends at least.

Josiah Walker
Josiah Walker

Oppression is the happiest state for victim googles. It validates all their hatred.

Aiden Clark
Aiden Clark

No it doesn't. It means you're apathetic.
Yes, apathetic is a synonym for not caring.

Thank you for your contribution.

It's a semantic argument, so if you're going to be pigheaded, there's no point in discussing it.

Benjamin White
Benjamin White

It's literally Stalinism. It is the legal reasoning used in the purges to arrest a worker who failed to make more products than he physically could. The old phrasing was "objectively pro-Fascist," as in, regardless of your intentions, if the effects of your actions wind up helping the enemy (which includes insufficiently helping your own side), then you are exactly the same as uniformed enemy soldiers. Overlap with "equality of outcone" and "systemic racism." This is how they say that it's not that you're racist because you're white but ... you're racist because you're white. The essence of Marxism is no economic equality: it is occultic word games. This is why Orwell is still relevant. Clarity in language is a prerequisite for morality. Marxist "wooden language" enables total immorality.

Christopher Taylor
Christopher Taylor

walking away
you are technically doing something
that something is screwing someone over
the masterful troll disappears without anyone knowing he was even there

Hunter Brooks
Hunter Brooks

Is that how things are in Canadia? Here that only really applies to parents and teachers

Ryan Stewart
Ryan Stewart

white silence=racism

Simply bc we're not looting, rioting and posting on faceberg we're racist. You can't win for losing with these useful idiots.

Lucas Bell
Lucas Bell

Because every human decides what is just and what is not.
False. Humanity is not defined by deciding right from wrong else mental invalids or comatose people would not be considered human beings.

If an event fails to inspire feelings of injustice in you, it means you regard it as "how things ought to be".
This doesn't account for ignorance though. An event can fail to inspire feelings because a person is unaware its taking place for one reason or another, or is unable of understanding its significance.

Your world view is starkly limited to only people who have moral and cognitive agency which says everything about what you consider to be "real people".

Michael Ward
Michael Ward

I literally just learned hume's law five minutes ago, and completely misunderstood it: the post

Thomas Cooper
Thomas Cooper

You're a fucking idiot.

Ryder Powell
Ryder Powell

The Swiss are the most evil motherfuckers on the planet according to this logic

Bentley Carter
Bentley Carter

You're not siding with anyone. So how is that a side?

Levi Rogers
Levi Rogers

English isn't my mother tongue but I'm fairly sure there's a difference between not caring and not caring because everything is right in the world.

I could walk by a nigger mugging a whiteboi (which is common in Rio) and not give a single fuck because it's not my problem. I don't care if the world is burning.

that's got nothing to do with oppression.

Tyler Jackson
Tyler Jackson

It's like saying 'If you're not with us, then you're against us'

So during a war, neutral countries are automatically on the side of the oppressors?

Liam Parker
Liam Parker

Choose wisely

I don't follow.

Isaac Young
Isaac Young

Can someone explain it to me?

It's literally just a false dichotomy.
It's the same as saying "you're either with us or you're against us."
No, you're neither. Neither is an option, even if they pretend it's not.

Daniel Thomas
Daniel Thomas

some people need to be oppressed, or else they will tear up their own assholes. fact

Alexander Perez
Alexander Perez

It's literally the "if you're not an orange you're a pear" argument which Cred Forums likes using too.

Fuck any faggot who does, using it is a good way to get people who aren't against you to be against you.

Sebastian Cox
Sebastian Cox

your*

You're not siding with anyone. So how is that a side?

If something is morally outrageous, you should be outraged.

If something is right and normal, you should not be outraged.

By not being outraged by an act, you're saying it's fine.

Jackson Johnson
Jackson Johnson

pick one

Landon Edwards
Landon Edwards

Yeah! The German people should have banded together to stop the Nazis!

Tyler Diaz
Tyler Diaz

So during a war, neutral countries are automatically on the side of the oppressors?

A country isn't a person. And even neutral countries still have opinions on the war.

Elijah Wilson
Elijah Wilson

I gladly choose to be against them desu.
Neutral is for pussies.

Evan Clark
Evan Clark

You you wouldn't give a shit about either side, so how is that siding with someone?

William Walker
William Walker

TFW those sort of statements make you give less of a fuck

Nathan Walker
Nathan Walker

you're either with us or against us

literally the black-or-white logical fallacy. it's on the front page of Cred Forums. it has no merit.

Brandon Ramirez
Brandon Ramirez

that means "everything is right"

No it doesn't.

And no amount of stuffing words in their mouth can change that fact.

Nathaniel Nelson
Nathaniel Nelson

So during a war, neutral countries are automatically on the side of the oppressors?

Yes.

Example: Belgium. Twice

Owen Brown
Owen Brown

but picking one is doing something

You're replying to a post in which i said how it is siding with someone.

Jackson Reyes
Jackson Reyes

To be fair, Cred Forums does the same trick.

You're either against feminism or you're a cuck
You're either against race mixing or you're degenerate

etc.

John Brooks
John Brooks

I believe the most fundamental human right is the right to not give a shit about something if you don't want to
Everybody already does it regardless of whether or not they want to admit it

Ryan Ramirez
Ryan Ramirez

If something is morally outrageous, you should be outraged.

not necessarily. there are hundreds of reasons why someone wouldn't be outraged by something morally outrageous.

being morally bankrupt for one. that doesn't mean they side with the oppressor.

Christian Kelly
Christian Kelly

And no amount of stuffing words in their mouth can change that fact.
Like i said, it's a semantic argument.

Nathaniel Hall
Nathaniel Hall

Your reasoning is bullshit.

Jaxon Hernandez
Jaxon Hernandez

I am one with the Dao which stays neutral in all situations.

Robert Turner
Robert Turner

this. i am obliged to care about nothing.

Easton Bennett
Easton Bennett

I welcome their futile admonition.

Justin Torres
Justin Torres

Neutral is for pussies.

Or people who don't like to fight every single battle that could possibly come there way.
I don't need to have a stance of the oppression of black people. I don't care about the issue.

Elijah Gomez
Elijah Gomez

being morally bankrupt for one. that doesn't mean they side with the oppressor.

Morally speaking, it does. Someone who is morally bankrupt says "might makes right, and whoever wins is right.". That's a moral statement.

Samuel Wilson
Samuel Wilson

you're*

Xavier Peterson
Xavier Peterson

Only a sith deals in absolutes...

Luke Cook
Luke Cook

Fuck those people. Reason is relative.

Carson Ortiz
Carson Ortiz

"Believe me white boy or ill kill you and yo kids gimme yo stuff crackaaa can't you see we be oppressin??"

Aiden Edwards
Aiden Edwards

She likes white dick and has rape impregnation fantasies

Luke Sanchez
Luke Sanchez

It's the same on a bigger scale, deal with it

Aaron Hill
Aaron Hill

I think it's literally a way for people to guilt those who don't give a shit into doing something
Well yeah, that's the point.

And to be fair in many ways she's not wrong. Western "Neutrality" in the Spanish civil-war for example was de-facto support for the nationalists, since the Germans and Italians didn't give a fuck about neutrality and the USSR just wanted to rip the popular front off and test a few airplanes.

Joseph Morris
Joseph Morris

If something is morally outrageous, you should be outraged.
Your opinion =/= absolute morality. In order for something to be "morally outrageous" you need to be able to point to an existing moral framework that people agree on and say "see look, this goes against what we believe in."

The problem is none of these people have a real moral code, they just base their "Moral outrage" on their personal feelings of anger then try to project those feelings onto society. If you don't agree with their opinion you must be evil because obviously their opinion is right all the time.

Of course this could be proved wrong if they simply justified their accusations with reference to a real moral authority, but being moral relativists they don't have one.

Jayden Gonzalez
Jayden Gonzalez

What about Switzerland?

Caleb Thomas
Caleb Thomas

Literally a different way to say " All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

Also fuck niggers.

Charles Cooper
Charles Cooper

countries are people
no they aren't.

Adrian King
Adrian King

There's an old poem about the Nazi Governments take over that goes something like this:

First they came for the unionists, i did not say anything because i was not in a unionist.

Then they came for the communists, i did not say anything, for i was not a communist.

Then they came for the Jews, and i did not say anything, for i was not a Jew.

Then they came for me, and there was no one left to say anything

Roughly 3 of 4 police shootings happen against white people. Ignore the media narrative. We have a fascist police force that will kill you even if your a girl who punches a cop.

I believe in BLM simply because the marginalized are the canary in the coal mine.

Everybody is people, if anyone gets dehumanized, you can too

Nolan Fisher
Nolan Fisher

someone who is morally bankrupt says "might makes right, and whoever wins is right."

you should never assume things. a morally bankrupt person doesn't necessarily think like that.

this statement makes as much sense as your previous one, which is to say none.

Mason Butler
Mason Butler

but that doesn't give her reign to go oppress people that have no fucking idea what she is talking about.

Christopher Adams
Christopher Adams

Also jesus christ just stop being oppressed everyday. Parents are oppressive, school is oppressive, the cop that gave me the speeding ticket is oppressive, the college is oppressive, this job is oppressive. Maybe you're just a shitty person and need to listen and improve.

Robert Collins
Robert Collins

Your opinion =/= absolute morality.
This statement agrees with one of the premises of the picture in the OP.

The point is that you can evaluate the moral framework that a person uses by examining what things outrage them.

Easton Bell
Easton Bell

a morally bankrupt person doesn't necessarily think like that.

Then they aren't morally bankrupt

Adrian Bell
Adrian Bell

Neither isn't always an option of any practical meaning.

Support oppressor: They're oppressed
Remain neutral: They're oppressed
Intervene: They're not oppressed.

Though the descriptor on the shirt is wrong. More accurately if you are neutral in situations you have de-facto chosen the side of the victor. If you remain neutral and she shoots the oppressor in the face, obviously your intervention was unnecessary and would've had no change.

If someone is sitting on the bus calling her a nigger, it doesn't take too much brainpower to deduce you should tell them to fuck off.

Adrian Ortiz
Adrian Ortiz

Black lives matter
All Lives Matter when Black lives matter
Most of us can see this is a poorly veiled attempt to get America to choke down a racist group with a racist name. The statistics they use to prove WHY Black is more important than White can be used against them.

Male Lives Matter. When police stop shooting a larger portion of males compared to females then we can all be equal. The same arguments hold true, a disproportionate amount of men are shot and killed when compared to females.

#MaleLives Matter.

Or even better, #BlackMaleLivesMatter
To turn the feminists within their own movement against them. Statistics can EASILY show that this is less of a Black Female issue.

Disorganization of these nu-hate groups.

Matthew Phillips
Matthew Phillips

Its a way to guilt trip whites into thinking that opposing Black Panther Lives Matter means you dun care about black people

Owen Flores
Owen Flores

neutral countries are automatically on the side of the oppressors?
How else would Switzerland swim in Nazi gold?

Alexander Morgan
Alexander Morgan

so you would go from Good to Evil by not doing anything to help someone in need you'd get out your camera phone and film a baby being raped to death wouldn't ya big boy ?

Connor Phillips
Connor Phillips

a morally bankrupt person doesn't take stances in the first place. the idea that someone like that would believe in an ideal such as 'might makes right' is ludicrous.

you're still assuming things.

Jaxon Baker
Jaxon Baker

Because (((repressed))) people are the real oppressors.

Blake Gutierrez
Blake Gutierrez

No shit then I would tell her too Fuck off too and then you.

Benjamin Smith
Benjamin Smith

To sum up:

If you are not gay: YOU ARE GUILTY
If you are not transexual: YOU ARE GUILTY
If you are white: YOU ARE GUILTY
If you are not jew: YOU ARE GUILTY
If you are conservative: YOU ARE GUILTY
If you are christian: YOU ARE GUILTY

If you report a crime of a black guy to a white guy. YOU ARE GUILTY RACIST XENOPHOBIC... They have won the "debate".

Hunter Taylor
Hunter Taylor

if you choose not to decide you still have made a choice
t. rush

Jackson Adams
Jackson Adams

You believe in an organization who's only given a voice due to the vile mechanations of one of the most evil kikes who's ever breathed.

Christopher Perez
Christopher Perez

If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor.

Woah, I guess all those black people who were admitted to U of Michigan (before the state Supreme Court ruled against it) due to affirmative action are oppressing whites and asians.

Matthew Wood
Matthew Wood

the idea that someone like that would believe in an ideal such as 'might makes right' is ludicrous.

It's implicitly true. They don't have to identify with an ideal. That's what it means to be morally bankrupt.

The things I'm assuming are the meanings of words. You have to assume things to make any statements at all.

Brayden Robinson
Brayden Robinson

countries are lifeless entities with no people in it
The way countries behave relating to each other is very similar to the way individuals behave relating to each other

It's precisely because countries are governed by people that they behave similar to individuals

David Miller
David Miller

It implies loyalty and duty to a group that is owed none, ignore it

Adam Robinson
Adam Robinson

your worldview says that the oppressor is in the right.

And what if the oppressor is right?

Nathan Moore
Nathan Moore

Slavery was the best thing that happened to niggers they were incapable of murdering each other qnd smoking crack

Jason Taylor
Jason Taylor

Its a way to justify violence against innocent people.

I can kill you because if you aren't with me you are against me. Litterally how terrorists see the world. Isis, ira, Timothy McVeigh etc, they all believe/believed this Bullshit.

Julian Moore
Julian Moore

Injustice anywhere is a threat justice everywhere

Well guess what, injustice is already everywhere. If people want to take the argument of OP's pic, then everyone is an oppressor. Our clothes and electronics are built in sweatshops, our food comes from CAFOs, using electricity pollutes, etc. It's a nig tier argument that only works when you ignore the rest of the worlds suffering.

Noah Parker
Noah Parker

What about Spain? It was neutral during WWII, just like Ireland, Portugal and Sweden to name a few

Clearly, those were evil oppressors

Eli Cruz
Eli Cruz

nose ring
sweaters with socjus quotes

I'm imagining how fucking insufferable this chick must be

Adam Ortiz
Adam Ortiz

Countries aren't moral agents. We're talking about morality. The actions of countries are governed by millions of people who have conflicting moral ideas.

Countries don't have beliefs.

And what if the oppressor is right?
Then you should side with them.

Oliver Bell
Oliver Bell

The Nigger's deepest darkest fear in a nutshell.

Dylan Thompson
Dylan Thompson

Remember that the African American males that make up a substantial (although it is debatable that they are a majority) of the protests do, in fact, not agree with the beliefs of the SJWs that attend their rallies. They can be divided, leaving the SJW nu-males and feminists fighting with their own cause. African American males (and real males in general) do not care for the plight of the SJW. The organizers of these "rallies" are predominantly feminists and can't allow for a focus on only the male population.

Evan Johnson
Evan Johnson

Regular people are not in the hotseat BLM is just wasting Energy.

They need to get woke and see the real enemy, Redpill blackfolks.
youtube.com/watch?v=9RQSm4HKc-s

Jaxson Robinson
Jaxson Robinson

Then you should side with them.

Way ahead of you senpai.

Blake Carter
Blake Carter

a country isn't a person
a country has an opinion

Gavin Lopez
Gavin Lopez

I blame Bush. Today's young leftists grew up under him and just flipped his rhetoric to fit their corner of the political square.
I guarantee you, we'll be invading nations for "woke" reasons within the next 10-20 years.

Michael Adams
Michael Adams

fucking google

Joseph Watson
Joseph Watson

Spain was explicitly on the side of the oppressors, though acting in her own self-interest. (Spanish soldiers fought against the Russians.)

Ireland gave unofficial support to the British and Portugal got British permission to bow out.

Kayden Butler
Kayden Butler

the problem is that you're assuming how people are likely to behave and taking that as fact.

if something is morally outrageous, you should be outraged
someone who is morally bankrupt says 'might makes right'

that's insane.

but you're right, though. being morally bankrupt means being devoid of any ideals, except 'might makes right' is an ideal in itself, so morally bankrupt people don't necessarily think like that unlike what you're assuming.

if anything a morally bankrupt person will side with whoever nets them the most personal gain. and all of this is to prove that being neutral doesn't necessarily means you're OK with oppression. it might just mean you don't give a shit.

Connor Sanchez
Connor Sanchez

bankrupt people don't necessarily think like that unlike what you're assuming.

But i just agreed that they don't have to explicitly think like that.

It's implicitly true that they accept might makes right. That's the morality of nature.

and all of this is to prove that being neutral doesn't necessarily means you're OK with oppression.

If you're not OK with it, then you're not neutral.

Levi Miller
Levi Miller

a country has an opinion
you misquoted me, you naughty boy

Ethan Wright
Ethan Wright

Roughly 3 of 4 police shootings happen against white people. Ignore the media narrative. We have a fascist police force that will kill you even if your a girl who punches a cop.

Stop fucking punching cops then.
That's the main issue with all of this shit-- very rarely does anyone decent get gunned. It's not doctors, lawyers, or honest hardworking citizens.
Criminals get gunned down. Ghetto monkeys and trailer trash get gunned down.
We're not losing anyone important unless you have some odd attachment to thugs, crooks, and druggies.

Ryan Smith
Ryan Smith

That, and/or Balkanization. They are either willfully ignorant or too arrogant to realize that neutrality is called neutral for a reason. It has no association with any side of a conflict. They are basically saying neutrality does not exist, which makes no sense.

Like with starving people around the world for example. It is not that I wish starvation on the world's people. It is just that outside of the people I am close to I do not care. Why should i be concerned with the problems of others? Should I only care about the victim of the week? Should I care about every single victim in the world? Of course not, I'm only one man and I have my self interests.

Chase Roberts
Chase Roberts

I just realized we're discussing different things. you're focusing on the logical aspect of the word while I'm going for the psychological component.

I suppose you're right but you do realize none of that is applicable in a practical scenario, right?

Julian Allen
Julian Allen

It's the same argument as the Bush administration's "either with us or against us" and the Athenian position in the Melian Dialogue. It's an inherently unjust argument whenever used against liberals and an inherently just one whenever used by liberals, at least according to liberals. In other words, it's a commonplace.

Jason Lewis
Jason Lewis

countries don't have beliefs
and even neutral countries still have opinions on the war
The actions of a country are ultimately governed by the people at its head, so yeah, it does act like a cohesive individual with its own interests

And talking about morality, didn't america ever invade other countries in the name of democracy, like Iraq? user pls

Lincoln Gonzalez
Lincoln Gonzalez

I suppose you're right but you do realize none of that is applicable in a practical scenario, right?

Well I think it's a reasonable framework to talk about things like "is it ok to stand by while people die in africa" or something like that.

The point is to get people to intellectually connect the morals they espouse to the actions that they do or don't do.

Is it ok to have a friend who doesn't donate to africa?

Aaron Brooks
Aaron Brooks

When they argue that black females also get killed by the police cite statistics that show that black males are "victimized" much more.
Call them racists and sexists for pretending to know what a black male goes through.
Cite the uncaring attitude towards the black male victims from the females within their own shooting videos.
Cite it was a FEMALEuropean officer that killed the African American in Tulsa.
Do so as if you are a SJW and this is the natural progression of the movement. Call Racism when they disagree.
#BlackMaleLivesMatter
Remove the SJW and Feminist backing from the equation and divide them as they try to divide us.

Jeremiah Cooper
Jeremiah Cooper

The actions of a country are ultimately governed by the people at its head, so yeah, it does act like a cohesive individual with its own interests

What's the united states' position on guns?

Our leader wants to ban them. His morality is fundamentally different from a majority of the country, yet his actions are bound by our will to some degree.

The US is a many headed hydra

Nicholas Young
Nicholas Young

guilt those who don't give a shit into doing something
That's the literal blueprint Jews follow to get rich.

Julian Cook
Julian Cook

And talking about morality, didn't america ever invade other countries in the name of democracy, like Iraq?

You believed that?

Good one, user

Christopher Hernandez
Christopher Hernandez

What about Afghanistan, kek

You can't suggest that every single country was an active protagonist during WWII, some just didn't care

So yeah, going back to the thread's main subject, being neutral doesn't always make you evil, sometimes, you just don't have an interest in a particular conflict, which is very understandable imo

Otherwise, there's a paradox, it means that if you're not involved in every single conflict in the world, like in Yemen or in some obscure African country, you're automatically with the oppressor

Angel Harris
Angel Harris

Honestly I think all this statement does is alienate BLM even more. They are losing potential supporters by making this statement. It's some authoritarian shit, I thought they were the oppressed ones? They're forcing people into having a political stance, it's pretty fucked up.

Parker Russell
Parker Russell

some just didn't care
And the implications of them not caring are usually clear.
you just don't have an interest in a particular conflict, which is very understandable imo
Then you de-facto side with the winner in practical terms, even if ideologically there's a balancing act at play.

you're automatically with the oppressor
You're automatically with the victor. Or at the least, you automatically value a given thing over standing up to oppression (i.e. Iraqi allies not siding against the USA during the Iraq wars valued their own survival over helping Iraq.)

Eli Nelson
Eli Nelson

Yeah? What kind of question is that?

Julian Cox
Julian Cox

In Spain we fought by Franco (Hitler's and Mussolini friend) dictatorship. I mean, w/ Germans being defended by the Spanish soldiers "DivisiĆ³n Azul (Blue Division)".

Joseph James
Joseph James

Yeah? What kind of question is that?
it's a moral question!

Eli Long
Eli Long

It's called none of my business.

Blake Reyes
Blake Reyes

Why do you care? It's Africans responsibility, not ours. Jesus Christ

Cooper Gonzalez
Cooper Gonzalez

It's called none of my business.
Is it ok to have friends who torture their children?

What if they torture other people's children?

None of your business?

William Parker
William Parker

Africa has all do to with my life or America.

Asher Young
Asher Young

Are you a liberal?

Charles Morales
Charles Morales

Africa has all do to with my life or America.
So if they cross the border and torture mexican children, no problem?

Charles Lewis
Charles Lewis

It's not Americans moral responsibility. It's Africans.

Jacob Foster
Jacob Foster

It's not Americans moral responsibility. It's Africans.
I'm talking about having a friend who tortures mexican children.

That's mexico's responsibility, right?

Luis Carter
Luis Carter

If you're not OK with it, then you're not neutral
Someone can have no opinion on something you know

Gavin King
Gavin King

This is about your Africa hypothetical.

Lucas Garcia
Lucas Garcia

her shirt looks like mine

Matthew Clark
Matthew Clark

This is about your Africa hypothetical.
Yea but i'm getting you to understand some of the premises of that hypothetical.

Premises which i believe you will accept.

Caleb Adams
Caleb Adams

I think it's literally a way for people to guilt those who don't give a shit into doing something

bingo. know this: its ok to not give a fuck about someone else's shit.

Alexander Lee
Alexander Lee

why are you such a fag?

Jackson Price
Jackson Price

Hmm, an American doing something immoral, illegal? Americans and Mexicans can care. It's not up to anyone else to be expected to care.

Jason Mitchell
Jason Mitchell

I can see the point this argument tries to make, but it's literally impossible to be emotionally invested in every injustice in the world. Most people have their plates full just dealing with their own personal problems. And in the case of the black community, well...they're responsible for much of their own "oppression." People just aren't going that cops are maybe a little too trigger happy with blacks when niggers have done so much to cause that situation and the black community refuses to recognize that they have a nigger problem.

Oliver Edwards
Oliver Edwards

why are you such a fag?
Why are you such a degenerate?

You can't name evil when you see it?
Are you afraid of what it says about you?

Charles Baker
Charles Baker

Your example of Africa vs American scenario is poor.

Michael Adams
Michael Adams

ok NEET

Jacob Martinez
Jacob Martinez

*People just aren't going to care

William Jenkins
William Jenkins

Things are not black and white. There is a possible continuum of positions on almost any issue. Some people fall on the extremes, some in the middle. People who say what's in OP's pic are just saying "if you are not as extreme as me, you are against me". Only a radicalized cunt would say such a thing.

Parker Ward
Parker Ward

Consider the following:
walking down the street at night one day
going past an alley you hear a woman scream
you look down said alley and see her being beaten/raped
you shrug your shoulders and continue your walk
you could have saved a life, and put a criminal away by just calling the cops
you decided it wasn't your business though

By doing nothing, you actually helped this guy get away with murder. That's the idea. But it shouldn't guilt you into caring.

Samuel Cox
Samuel Cox

i'll take that as a yes.

Americans and Mexicans can care. It's not up to anyone else to be expected to care.

Ok, so is it ok to be friends with him?

Matthew Edwards
Matthew Edwards

Comparing literal murder to esoteric things like "privilege" and "institutionalized racism"

Leo Cox
Leo Cox

Just stop dude.

Brandon Young
Brandon Young

The shirt assumes I believe most cops are racist, but choose no to act.

If I don't believe there is a racist cop problem, the argument falls apart

Xavier Thomas
Xavier Thomas

Just stop

No problem. Run along to your safe space. I won't ask you any questions.

Charles Jones
Charles Jones

Lol safe space. You libshit fags are the ones that need that.

Wyatt King
Wyatt King

You can't even answer a simple question.
Please.

triggered

Zachary Nelson
Zachary Nelson

Shit like this makes me want to go from passively supporting the oppressor to actively supporting the oppressor.

Evan Wood
Evan Wood

I already did.

Parker Phillips
Parker Phillips

Some of what we've seen has been literal murder though. I'm no blm supporter, but when you shoot a 12 year old on a playground and get off scot free, I think there's a problem.

You can argue away most of the other scenarios because they're just cases of niggers being niggers. But cop pulls up to playground and floors a kid with 3 shots within 2 seconds? I dont think so.

Jonathan Butler
Jonathan Butler

Oh shut up.

Nathan Sullivan
Nathan Sullivan

look, i hate to break it to you , but you are one of those people who should kill themselves

Camden Hernandez
Camden Hernandez

if you're not with us, you're against us

Only a sith deals in absolutes

Julian Foster
Julian Foster

but you are one of those people who should kill themselves

Gavin Campbell
Gavin Campbell

???

Matthew White
Matthew White

A bullet from a 12 year old is no less deadly than one from a 22 year old. My parents told me not to point even toy guns at people, nor take them in public, and that was in the 90s.

Spoiler: I didn't and I'm alive to funpost.

Zachary Myers
Zachary Myers

wtf i hate injustice now

Lincoln Murphy
Lincoln Murphy

Somewhere, a child being raped in the world. Why aren't you stopping it? Why aren't you helping? You must be ok with children being raped then.

This is your argument.

Eli Sanchez
Eli Sanchez

Pic related

This is your argument

Charles Rivera
Charles Rivera

why arent you helping that child?

Charles Moore
Charles Moore

How is that not an argument? Do you agree that everything bad in the world you're not actively trying to solve you must be ok with?

Cameron Stewart
Cameron Stewart

Do you agree that everything bad in the world you're not actively trying to solve you must be ok with?

Of course not. I never said anything like that.

Logan Evans
Logan Evans

I'd say that they're right, just not in that context.

A wise man once said that the true enemy of justice is not evil, but apathy, and that is for the most part right. Applying it to the context of SJWs doesn't work because they aren't experiencing any injustice in the first place. Especially when it comes to problems in the black community; what are they angry about? That someone didn't cooperate with and then threatened the police, and got shot because of it? I honestly don't know how they could care so much about all the victims of their movement when they don't even try and learn a little bit about them. If they did, they'd know that the only one who didn't do anything wrong was the guy who was reaching for his license and the rest were criminals. If anything, the Black community themselves are doing the oppressing, because spreading the narrative that all policemen hate blacks and want to shoot them gives them the justification they need to hate them back. It lets them block out the fact that cops are people, mostly nice people who took their relatively low paying job because they want to help others and keep the peace. But the people they have to deal with are violent, and now they worry that they may not come home to their families because they had the nerve to want to do their job. They can't even try to stop the damage BLM's "peaceful protests" cause to cities without being labeled and treated as subhuman. But they still try and keep the peace, despite the constant danger they're in from all the rather large group of people who want their heads.
Quite frankly, the fact that this woman is claiming she's currently being oppressed in a country where the very group of people she hates is also the only thing keeping her own people from destroying themselves is a disgrace.

TL;DR: It's a sin to kill a mockingbird, and this bitch needs to repent.

Pic unrelated

William Sanchez
William Sanchez

This is your argument

Jason Hernandez
Jason Hernandez

Finally someone with a sense of virtue

Adrian Williams
Adrian Williams

I wonder what sweatshop that shirt and tapestry were made in?

Matthew Long
Matthew Long

This is a (you)

Jordan Bell
Jordan Bell

(you)

Benjamin Adams
Benjamin Adams

This means in clear words:

We will force upon you what we want, regardless of your opinion

Charles Robinson
Charles Robinson

Right, I understand that, but this is supposed to be a trained professional. You show up, no "drop the gun!" Or "dont move!" Or any sort of warning whatsoever. Just hop out and start unloading? That's not policing buddy.

Would have been a completely different story had he said something and the kid resisted or ran or whatever.

Cameron Baker
Cameron Baker

spending effort on shitposting

Sorry I just cant compete

Dominic Scott
Dominic Scott

So nearly all black people that got shot was a criminal? Lol, what you just said is racist and offensive, you must be with the oppressor

Brayden Adams
Brayden Adams

Not true.
It's just not my problem.
You(they) need a mediator.

Logan Reyes
Logan Reyes

Exactly, and this is coming from a nig nog. BLM probably had good intentions when it began, but like all movements when left unchecked, you get a bunch of retards hijacking it.

Now they defend every nigger shot even when the majority of them are already proven criminals.

Owen Phillips
Owen Phillips

Yet the black slaves worked away instead of rebelling, meaning they're just as guilty

Jose Cook
Jose Cook

He was pointing a an airsoft pistol at people without the legally mandated orange safety tip. Airsoft are typically designed to look effectively identical to the real firearm. If somebody reaches for their waist whom you know has what appears to be a weapon, are you yourself OK with being shot to find out if it's fake?

responded after receiving a police dispatch call "of a male black sitting on a swing and pointing a gun at people" in a city park

Rice's gun was later found to be an Airsoft replica that lacked the orange safety feature marking it as a replica and not a true firearm.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Tamir_Rice

Jaxson Bennett
Jaxson Bennett

Facts cant be racist buddy.

Brody Richardson
Brody Richardson

You're leaving key bits out
police receive reports of a guy at park pointing a gun at people
kid points gun at police
Shot

Parker Fisher
Parker Fisher

((you))

Robert Bennett
Robert Bennett

..and too dumb to realize they are being used and lied to.

cops are supposed to shoot at criminals, even suspects, who are pointing guns at them. That's what they are FUCKING PAID TO DO. Working as intended.

Cooper Baker
Cooper Baker

I was kidding, I'm just tired of arguing with idiots...I actually agree with him

Ian Collins
Ian Collins

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin_of_omission

Juan Powell
Juan Powell

Says who

Carter Harris
Carter Harris

Perfectly understood, I already know the details. Again my point is as a cop, you don't pull up and unload into someone.

You kinda have to be a cop and think on your feet. He's waving around a gun didn't shoot anyone yet. Tell him drop his weapon etc. If he resists, blast him.

The officer in question did none of that.

Joshua Evans
Joshua Evans

hey, this is the new definition of racist. get with the program.

Blake Mitchell
Blake Mitchell

Not really. But putting it through that lens (oppression and oppressor being a matter of perspective), it would be best to stay neutral.

Bentley Ward
Bentley Ward

It's an extension of the belief that "all that is needed for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing". If you do nothing, you allow evil to spread. If you refuse to side with the oppressed, you're allowing the oppressor to continue in their oppression.

Bentley Jenkins
Bentley Jenkins

Nice

Robert Nelson
Robert Nelson

The argument really means "fight our battles for us" or "you're either with us or against us".

Jayden Rodriguez
Jayden Rodriguez

It is a valid argument if you accept the premise that injustice is occurring. However what it's really playing on is that most white people don't believe injustice is occurring but they are afraid to say "I disagree with BLM" so they are silent or beat around the bush by saying like "I'm a moderate, I'm not really sure."

So the attack is on those white people who in reality feel something is wrong with BLM arguments, so actually she's right, these people are against her and it makes strategic sense for her to target them. But she's targeting them using the implication of social criticism that will be directed against those who don't vocally support progressivism, based on the already accepted premises of PC, such as that black people are always oppressed, etc. She's saying "you aren't in line with us, why is that? is there something you're not telling us? you're secretly racist, huh?"

So the strategically correct position to counter her is to attack the premises, the idea of systemic oppression, rather than her contention that moderation is fence-sitting (which it is)

Julian Scott
Julian Scott

I agree

Adrian Hill
Adrian Hill

agreed

Gabriel Sullivan
Gabriel Sullivan

Wrong. I am outside of the situation. I am not affected by it in any way. I have no control over it either, so picking a side is meaningless. I am neither the oppressed nor the oppressor in any way, shape, or form.

I do not regard it as how things ought to be, or not ought to be, I simply do not care. If you told me that a hundred billion lightyears away, a planet-shattering bomb was going to explode and kill quadrillions of lifeforms, I would be completely indifferent because I am completely and totally outside of that situation. I did not cause the bomb to explode, nor am I being killed by it. Nor can I stop it, or further it's detonation. I am as outside that situation as I am this one. I am not affected by it, it does not affect me, and I have no control over it one way or the other.

Isaac Scott
Isaac Scott

Alien lives matter, friend

The decision to say their lives don't matter is a moral decision.

Andrew Sanders
Andrew Sanders

That depends on your definition of life. Do you consider bacteria alive? What if the organisms are not actually carbon based, or for that matter, not organic? Are they alive? Can they die? Is an advanced artificial intelligence alive? Is it moral to keep them 'enslaved'?

Trust me buddy, I'm getting a philosophy degree as my pre-law BA, I've had to sit through plenty of morality lessons already, and while they didn't change my mind much, they've helped me figure out what my own beliefs are by contrast.

I'm aware that it's a moral decision. But it is not what you say it is, by indicating that I am somehow taking a side by being completely passive. If one side wins, I don't care, it doesn't matter which side, as long as they don't come after me.

Jayden Rogers
Jayden Rogers

I'm aware that it's a moral decision.

If you say it's not wrong to kill them, you're agreeing with moral perspective of the person who is killing them.

That's the meaning of "siding with"

Chase Rivera
Chase Rivera

Interestingly put, some people seem to have a misconception of what 'being neutral' means

Nathan Diaz
Nathan Diaz

What if I benefit from being on the side of the oppressor? Why should I stop what I'm doing?

Liam Jackson
Liam Jackson

I stand against law breakers. Why can't they follow the same rules as I?

Jace Martin
Jace Martin

another binary way of saying you either hate minorities or you love minorities, no inbetween.

of course this conflicts with the SJW concept of sexual and gender fluidity among various other spectra they propose.

Jayden Nelson
Jayden Nelson

Based

Andrew Gomez
Andrew Gomez

Racism was created by the communists as a method to shut down meaningful discussion and label people who disagreed with them. This crap is the same concept.

Jaxon Torres
Jaxon Torres

I can see we have very different philosophies on morality.

You are a VERY black and white kind of guy. If you don't protest against something, you must agree with it. That seems to be the point you're sticking to.

I'm more of a shades of gray kind of guy. Just because you're not actively fighting against something doesn't mean you like it, or that you agree with the person performing the actual action, you just may not care enough to put in the effort to bother with something that doesn't affect you. There is such a thing as apathy or just laziness. I know people who will be too lazy to save money at times. It doesn't mean that they agree they should be paying a higher price, or that the seller is justified in jewing them, it just means that they're too lazy to go back and get the coupon they forgot, or return the defective item that only cost them $2.

It's the same concept; if something doesn't affect certain people directly, or at least, not directly enough, they just don't really care. It might piss them off a little, but not enough to really put much thought into it.

Elijah Lopez
Elijah Lopez

really? communists invented white people enslaving and genociding other races? that's a new one.

Bentley Hall
Bentley Hall

Look it up. Communism has been behind all racial strife in the us since the 60's in an active effort to destabilize the US.

Gavin Stewart
Gavin Stewart

There's a difference between thinking the current state of things and thinking the "oppressor" is right and actually doing oppressing though.

As a really shitty analogy, I think you're within your natural rights to cuss out some poor child, but I wouldn't do it myself.

Kayden Brown
Kayden Brown

Communist Goals (1963)
Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35
January 10, 1963
freerepublic.com/focus/news/1561529/posts

Landon Carter
Landon Carter

What's the point of justice if it doesn't serve me?

Caleb Myers
Caleb Myers

It's called the "false dilemma" or "false equivalence" argument.

Jack Wilson
Jack Wilson

It's a great way to isolate moderates.

Andrew Hill
Andrew Hill

I agree with this sentiment. Nothing makes my blood boil more than passive cucks petrified by the thought of standing up to a blatant wrongdoing.

Cameron Butler
Cameron Butler

Those asses really ain't that great... 6/10

Thomas James
Thomas James

Just because you're not actively fighting against something doesn't mean you like it, or that you agree with the person performing the actual action, you just may not care enough to put in the effort to bother with something that doesn't affect you.

The quote in the OP talks about "opposing" the oppression. I don't read this as physical action. I read it as intellectual opposition.

I can oppose the war in iraq without running for president.

Either you recognize that the oppression is bad, in which case you oppose it... Or you do not recognize that it is bad.

I accept the existence of the gray area, and things can be evaluated in more complicated ways.... but for the case of the OP's picture... it's not wrong.

Nolan Wood
Nolan Wood

leaf fag get out

Elijah Diaz
Elijah Diaz

Nothing more than a variant of this old saying:

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.

Brody Jenkins
Brody Jenkins

Not plotting omnicide for the beneficence of it
truly low class

Nolan Thompson
Nolan Thompson

Either you recognize that the oppression is bad, in which case you oppose it... Or you do not recognize that it is bad.

I accept the existence of the gray area, and things can be evaluated in more complicated ways.... but for the case of the OP's picture... it's not wrong.

The Principle of the Excluded Middle is not a law of nature. A or not A is only true when we make it.

"He is wearing shoes" is either true or false, but "He is tall" isn't neccessarily true or false. He is tall relative to what?

The same goes here, "This oppression is wrong" is not only true or false. Context matters. There are parts of the oppression that you can agree or disagree with.

Henry Sanders
Henry Sanders

Remember seeing that MS paint drawing of the guy that goes, " Hahahaha, I'm so smart for staying in the middle ground and being Apolitical!" That shirt is supposed to invoke the same idea of that comic.

William Gray
William Gray

But what if I don't care?

If a mexican gang banger shoots up a google crip, I don't give a fuck who's doing the oppressing.

Christopher Kelly
Christopher Kelly

Meant to reply to this guy lol

Lincoln Reed
Lincoln Reed

they both think it's you doing the oppressing, honkey ass mutha fucking whitye boi

Zachary Howard
Zachary Howard

There are parts of the oppression that you can agree or disagree with.

This is a good point

Isaiah Stewart
Isaiah Stewart

In that scenario most people don't care so long as they kill each other someplace out of sight.

Josiah Turner
Josiah Turner

There are parts of the oppression that you can agree or disagree with.
But I think that if you take this road too seriously, you're going to lose your ability to talk about complicated things.

In other words, "oppression" is always wrong. We are opposed to it by definition of the word. Otherwise we would call it "paternalism" or something.

There has to be some definable circle of attributes such that, if they were met, I would agree that what's going on is oppression (and therefore oppose the situation).

Jason Peterson
Jason Peterson

Except that's your op.

Logan Morris
Logan Morris

you're going to lose your ability to talk about complicated things
in what way and to what extent

Alexander Nguyen
Alexander Nguyen

in what way and to what extent
If we always examine everything looking at the finest details of an object in reality, the concept of "Separate" objects starts to lose meaning.

I can not talk about "the table".... I would have to talk about the table in the context of the air particles around it, and the microbes living on it, and the photons bouncing off of it, etc etc.... In order to say "the table is smooth", I would need to describe thousands of effects going on at the microscale.

Thus, in order to talk about anything, you need to talk about everything. This way of talking and thinking would be extremely cumbersome and would effectively paralyze us through mental cpu overload.

Simplifications on categories allows us to talk about them in a finite amount of time using a finite amount of mental energy.

Zachary Martin
Zachary Martin

I'll take "Pictures for Ants" for a thousand, Alex.

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