You have exactly 10 seconds to justify free speech "rights" for fascists

You have exactly 10 seconds to justify free speech "rights" for fascists.

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To maintain the ideal of freedom of speech

not giving them free speech is real fascism.

pretending to be fascist by saying mean things isn't fascism.

Because fascism has been reduced to a insult for anything the left doesn't wanna hear.

Have fun paying a fine in a few year for saying you do not agree with tyrone taking your college seat with worse grades then 99% of he class, you fascist pig.

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Why should people who don't want free speech rights have free speech rights? I say we give them what they want.

Fascists take advantage of free speech to recruit people to their cause. Once they have enough numbers they start silencing everyone else. In order to maintain the rights of the collective, the individual rights of the fascist must be suppressed at all costs.

I could ask the same about communists you dirty fucking pinko skype.

every interest group takes advantage of free speech, you could literally substitute "Fascist" for any label.

>you dirty fucking pinko skype.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

That's not how America works. We're a nation in which illegals, KKK, black panthers, communists, and even mudshits manage to live side by side without all-out war. The 1st and 2nd Amendments are what makes this possible.

So what if I call you a fascist and silence you with force?

Whatever you get convinced is fascist radicalizes you like a dog.

Communists take advantage of free speech to recruit people to their cause. Once they have enough numbers they start silencing everyone else. In order to maintain the rights of the individual the rights of the communist must be suppressed at all costs.

this

I'm totally going to listen to people like this

m.youtube.com/watch?v=B7NkssHJZLs&feature=youtu.be

Socialists and communists are fucking jokes.

Let me guess, you're one of those antifa people who call the police fascists but hide behind them when the fascists beat you up?

Capitalists take advantage of free speech to recruit people to their cause. Once they have enough numbers they start profiting off everyone else. In order to maintain the rights of the individual the rights of the Capitalist must be suppressed at all costs.

Fascism is unique though. The ideology itself requires all opposition to be silenced and denied their rights in order for it to work.

Free speech means free speech for ideas you disagree with or it means nothing.

They deserve death, but not censorship.

>Muh horseshoe theory

Because self censorship never did any good.

Truths need to be spread.

It's not unique. It's an authoritarian/totalitarian ideology and system, and not the only one.

Marxism-Leninism and all forms of radical/revolutionary socialism are authoritarian and even totalitarian in most cases.

NatSoc here btw

You just described communism.

>when the fascists beat you up

Good one

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muh constitution, if you dun like it, you can GET OUT

Seriously though, fuck off nigger.

>I disapprove of what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. -Voltaire

Basically if the 1st amendment doesn't apply to some people then it doesn't apply to all people.

Quote by the guy even the commies BTFO'D

That doesn't mean everybody has to agree with fascists so long as the first amendment is still in play.

Because without freedom of speech the authorities can brand anything as "fascist" even Marxists can be branded with as fascist so that their right to soeak out against the ruling authority can be denied.

Hell if I were a real fascist I would establish such a law to morally justify my fascism to the public. I just woundn't call it fascism.

I'll give you a free helicopter ride if you're interested.

>using foreign capitalist pig weapons because your commie comrades are too incompetent to come up with a design that is worthy to be called a first world design

nice

JS mill

“If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind.”
― John Stuart Mill, On Liberty

Fuck of back to /pol tho'

Because in doing so we only become the fascist.

Authoritarianism is for chumps.

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During that day Antifaggots clearly got shrekt even with superior numbers.

No fascist seriously injured (besides one that got nicked on the arm), but a couple of your niggers were stabbed and bloody. One of you were even comatose.

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If the fascist didn't speak we wouldn't know he was an evil idiot that can't be trusted with responsibility.

By all means, speak fascist now, so I can ignore you later.

This is your future, you little pink man.

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Facism is simply a response to failed social liberalism.

I appreciate that, though we don't need your permission to speak. We'll speak even under threat of prison or death.

To add to that, I think you'll find that the result won't be what you hope it will be.

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Do you even know what fascism is?

fascism and socialism can coexist.

Socialism is an economic system as opposed to capitalism.

Fascism is a political system as opposed to fundamentalism.

Why didnt they just shoot them and torch the building?

Incorrect.

Fascism is opposed to both capitalism and marxism/revolutionary socialism.

I don't threaten you with anything.

Other than ignoring you,, and that's only if you're a fascist, or a feminist or any of those other social justice seekers... or my sister.

You're not my sister are you?

Easy. Commies were faggots who only care for money. They killed for it. Capitalists also tend to kill for money-wars in Iraq. Fascism is the only worldview that does not believe the primary goal is money, but rather preserving the soul and stock of the people. As you speak with leftists, you'll see their first go-to insult is poverty. They only care about money. That's it. Very Jewish indeed.

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Police don't care if nobody dies. Murder and arson would require a police inquiry.

This. Liberal fascism is the ultimate form of fascism.
But that means you're a fascist yourself just one on the opposite aisle.

Fascism is a form of government is it not?

Yeah but still.. a little belt spanking is not enough for them

>I don't threaten you with anything.
I didn't say you did. I'm just saying that we don't need "freedom of speech" to be victorious. We'll speak and fight and struggle and write regardless. Though operating in a weak open society helps.

This x100

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It is a form of government, but also a philosophy and ideology. It is a way of living and perceiving the world, nature and man.

I agree

>Actually being able to talk about issues

You can do everything with a bayonet, except sit on it.

>SJWs take advantage of free speech to recruit people to their cause. Once they have enough numbers they start silencing everyone else. In order to maintain the rights of the collective, the individual rights of the non-SJW must be suppressed at all costs.

Sticks and stones.

Define fascism.

Fascism is the cure, its what fights against communism and liberalism.

If your society falls to facial that easily, then let it. It's not worth trying to prevent it.

Just like a society that would remove the right to free speech from some doesn't deserve the right for anyone.

ultimately, freedom in the mind of the individual is subjective. The principle being, that to deny the freedom of one would be to deny the freedom of all. This is commonly referred to as the "slippery slope".

This outlook is foolish and short-sighted. Our ideas are cemented into the brickwork of history now. You'll never destroy us or the grand idea.

For every entity that you strike, two shall rise in their place. A Fascist is a Fascist until death, and the cultural and political climate is very warm to our side right now. The future is ours, not yours. You day in the sun is coming to an end.

Oh! You clearly don't understand "rights".

You see, you are actually "right" in that you can speak, fight, and struggle for whatever you want no matter how oppressive the laws of whatever country you live in may be.

That's what a "right" is. It can't be taken away by law. Nor can it be granted by law. The right to remain silent, is a perfect example. Just shut up and boom. You're silent.

The right to own and bear arms. Just make a weapon and carry it around. You're a person, you can make one out of a brick. I could kill someone with a brick, can't stop me, unless you use a brick. The right to say whatever you want, pass any law you want, people are still going to talk shit. ... rights. We all have them. No matter what anyone says.

Denying anyone free speech no longer makes it free speech, now does it?

Rlly maex u thincc

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so you're saying that fascism is like Buddhism?

Dude, your picture is literally communism. Fascists would never attack police-they're authoritarian by nature.

Principle.

Something both Communists and Fascists are lacking in.

Heh. Did Jesus stop to have a conversation with the Jews as they desecrated the temple?
Understand something about leftism and its end result, communism-if you don't purge it, it will purge you.
That is the reality that every fascist comes to realize.

Free speech for all or free speech for none.

Fucking communist.

Ah, so you're one of those foolish and naive people who think rights are naturally granted.

No, the state grants you the rights you have. There is nothing you can say or do to change that.

An individual right is something that the state defines and allows you to do. It is an action protected by the state. That right can be taken away at any time. The second the state decides to use force against you, whatever "rights" you had are gone.

God gave you nothing.

Fascists have principles. They're just not your principles.

Because the last thing we should be doing is stooping to our enemies' level, comrade. Let them open their mouths and make fools of themselves, so that we do not have to do it for them.

restricting free speech makes you a fascist

I think a lot of you including the OP are confusing "free speech" with "speaking without punishment".

We all have free speech, assuming we can communicate some how. Being punished for what you say however, that is something entirely different. Try calling your wife a cunt, and you'll get my concept really quick. You can say what you want, but that doesn't mean it won't have repercussions.

The state was created by people. It only regonizines these natural rights, it grants nothting.

This is incorrect. We'd attack those who would defend the corrupt and decadent liberal-democratic state.

We'll accept Fascism and nothing less.

It's not -just- like Buddhism. It is more complex than just a form of governance though.

Do you even understand legal talk?

Fascists are the ones against free speech. They restrict dissenting opinions. Free speech is a liberal concept

so you're saying that when my state tells me to speak I have to? or that if my state told me to shut up I would?

A state is powerful, and probably could kill me, but I think you are wrong about this.

I am quite certain that anyone from my state who tried to kill me better not be alone or they would run the risk of failure. Regardless of laws.

Our Declaration of Independence states that our rights are god given. In that they are unalienable and "endowed" by our creator.

The question is if you believe that or not i suppose.

Everyone has the right to voice their opinion, Everybody has the right to be called out on their bullshit. Fascist or Commie, no opinions or ideas will be held sacred in a free society

>HATE SPEECH
Bullcrap, no it isn't.

agreed

The concept of "rights" was also created by men.

The state is the highest level of the material realm. You can say it just "recognizes natural rights" but the truth is that it creates them through the law and enforcement of that law. It can change at the drop of a hat.

There is no such thing as a natural right. To suggest as much is ridiculous in my personal opinion.

aut right is just like Muslims
The same way they fight for free speech they would ban it the moment they came to power, as would Muslims who fight for freedom of religion who would then force everyone to pay jizya when they came to power.

I don't have to. Rights in the US are not given by the US, but rather are given by God.

Besides that, if you have to silence your opposition, you may not be in the right. Likewise, driving people from civilized discourse simply feralizes the opposition. Or in short, you're suppressing fringe elements which will create more fringe elements if the movement is legitimate. If you lose after employing these tactics, you should fully expect yourself to be hanging from a lamppost.

I would say,

It's just a more complex form of governance.

Bolsheviks have killed far more people than fascists over the years. I think we all know whose free speech really needs to be restricted.

Preferably with a rope around the neck.

The Declaration of Independence is wrong and it is also something created by man.

George Washington was the Marx of his age. The American experiment is a failed one and a disgusting display of everything that has gone wrong with the West.

>Hurr Durr I don't understand the meaning of the word liberalism
Liberalism is about freedom you dipshit. Any restriction of freedom is anti-liberal

Rights were not "created" by men. They were "observed" by men.

Huge difference there.

You should read some Fascist literature then.

Then these "freedom people" you speak of had better hurry up and take their name back, because the very word has been dirtied beyond possible cleansing.

If you cannot convince a Communist, acquaint his head with an ice pick.

i smell.... TROLL

Fuck free speech. "Free" speech is a pressure-release valve that keeps cuckservatives from going to war on niggers, faggots, and democrats. Just go ahead and cancel free speech, let's kick off the fucking race war ASAP.

You might notice that politics has become a bit more vicious since the SJWs have made "free" speech punishable by doxxing, harassment and firing. It's only going to get worse until we finally just say "fuck it" and take our "speech" to the streets

He's quite right.

Saying it over and over doesn't make it true.

Rights are a matter of the state. It may grant and it may take away rights. In laymen terms, a right is merely a contract between the state and the nation to protect certain actions, possessions or conditions. All romantics aside, that is the hard truth.

that's an easy one.
without free speech. the left would grow soft and fat from successive generations never having to fight and defend them selves in the arena of public debate.

Meaning rightwing debate squads would fester and grow in the shadows of restricted speech.

until one day they use ironic frogposting to meme a salesman into the fucking white house.

so yeah, please go ahead and remove my free speech.

i'll gas u last :3

Because only a Fascists would restrict another's free speech.

CHECK MATE

HA! That pussy Marx never stepped foot on a battlefield.

I hope your happy of your anonymous slanderous treason against this great nation.

Holy shit you're retarded. They're called natural rights because they're within your power. They can only be restricted. People were speaking their mind and killing for feed long before any formal government existed.

A sovereign government is not the highest level of the material realm. Nature is. Nature doesn't give a fuck about our governments. Beyond that, the next highest level is the economy. The economy is much more powerful than the government.

If it's created by man wouldn't that make it the highest level in the material world as per your last post?

If you can't explain it to a six year old, you don't know what you're talking about.

Muslims take advantage of free speech to recruit people to their cause. Once they have enough numbers they start silencing everyone else. In order to maintain the rights of the collective, the individual rights of the Muslim must be suppressed at all costs.

i believe they had some guerilla in-city action. 1848 and 1871 were hot years in yurop

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They're pretty much lumped in with libertarians now

If that's your belief than so be it.

Still you are forgetting that the state is made of men. Men choose it for themselves. Men can leave it on their own. Men can destroy states as easily as states can destroy men.

The ability to shut the hell up or not. Can not be destroyed until every last man is dead.

By stripping free speech from fascists, then I become the fascist.

To quote one of your gommie idols, Mao Zebenis:

"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun"

My 2nd amendment rights are all the justification I need for my 1st.

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Oh shit you're that one guy who said any science that can't be explained to a layman is hokum I argued with a few days back.

How are you? I see you're still spreading ignorance

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Free spech not for everyone isn't free speech dummy

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>Islamists take advantage of free speech to recruit people to their cause. Once they have enough numbers they start silencing everyone else

>to fight authoritarians you must become an authoritarian

>said the guy that had his head meet a hammer

Egalitarianism, you know, the thing you fight for you communist fat fuck, means that everyone deserves the same rights. For example, access to free speech.

Loving your race is love. White love is nice.

first night on Cred Forums ,, so sorry to disappoint.

Do you have an argument to what I said?

That just because a state can punish you for an act does not impede you from acting?

Oh lol... stop, stop it, please

because its the foundation of your cuck liberal order. throwing it away throws away the liberal order.

>in b4 but fascists abuse it or muh collective rights must be protected

like a hyper-individualist liberal could have any serious understanding of collective rights

this. removing the right to free speech is fascism, so if you were to support said policy you would be for suppressing your own right to express your beliefs.

Antifa is not communist and communism is not Marxism.

>>Anifa is feminism and new Anarchist and new communist are all pets of frankfurtism

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sorry I have two arguments going. I confused you for the other one. Still, I have no idea who you are.

Fascism, no matter what else it might be, is also considered a form of government isn't it?

allot of frankfurtism shilling going on.

do you want frankfurtism college ??????

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Free speech need not be justified, it ought to be exercised by all or it will atrophy.

Didn't snowden get soldiers killed with the info he leaked too?

/proper/ fascist bashing - vid related

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(from a movie made for Stalin's birthday.)

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fpbp

>freedumb

>limiting free speech makes it free
Liberal logic

This is not necessarily the case.
This is also a symptom of technology and the imposition of will rather than fascism as this isn't a phenomena unique to fascism.

am I the only one who wants to murder anti fascists? Even muslims aren't as bad as cucked whites who betray their own race like this.

This.

If fascists don't get freedom of speech why should communists?

>Soon in Europe

fucking rekt and checkt

Agreed

fixt that irony for you

If you dont have fascists you get communism, and no one wants that.

Kill a traitor before you kill an enemy

If you are afraid people will be so persuaded by fascist ideology as to give it enough strength to take power, you shouldn't be concerned with the ideology itself but with the people. No law against the free speech of such people will be powerful enough to suppress the kind of practical force necessary to make their ideas real, nor can you expect to control all factors in trying to preempt the growth of that force. In fact the very suppression itself can make the movement stronger. The whole point of free speech is to let people decide which ideas to adhere to themselves. It's not anyone's place to decide for them, even if it means letting them follow an idea which denies this same principle.

That is one glorious banner

It is an objective fact that Marxism will destroy any nation it infiltrates within the next 30 years.
youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA
Examine what has happened in the US, the result of giving freedoms to the Marxists, they have subverted the culture and replaced the people. It is a great cancer that must be physically removed with the aid of helicopters.
The Fascist/traditionalist/social right-wing future is glorious and ever-lasting, the Marxist future is degenerate and pathetic.

>my form of authoritarianism is better than theirs, trust me goy.
People like you are the reason fascists have support in the first place. You're turning things into an all or nothing, and as it so happens, plenty don't prefer your form of a police state.
So why don't we just avoid that nonsense altogether?

You are literally advocating the exact same practices as your bogeyman.