MGTOW here. Say what you want, we're winning. Slowly but surely...

>refuse to have sex with women
>women import men that want to have sex with them

Congratulations you dumb cunts. You win?

wow you really do sound like a bitter virgin, holy shit

>all these toastie roasties
>sense the dwindling value of their pussy pass
You have no power here, cunt.

Only males who are genetically inferior become mgtow. They have no chance with women and so they get angry and frustrated. It is a group of Elliott Rogers wannabes without the balls to do something to improve their life. If they actually managed to get a girlfriend they would stop being mgtow in one sec.

I've come to accept that no woman, ever, will believe that a man could just do a cost/benefit analysis and decide to be single.

It's a mental flaw on their part. It's a blindspot.

But it doesn't change the truth--and the truth is the achilles heel of the roasties.

Because no matter how much they whine, shame, nag, and complain, the cold hard reality will triumph.

I pity your state of affairs regarding women in the west

I hope you serve as an example to the rest of us and we learn from your mistakes

>being proud of your women sucking imported cock

MGTOW are the true cucks.

post the link faggot
latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-millennials-less-sex-20160802-snap-story.html

this does not fix the problem at all

You can still be single and fuck girls. If you have a relationship they get clingy or nosey after a while and you break up and find a new one. Anybody who identifies himselves as a MGTOW is a beta male, just slightly less beta than a cucked husband.

>Say what you want, we're winning.

The death of white people is your winning scenario?

Just eat a bullet today and you'll really be a winner user.

>A glorious dawn awaits.

What the fuck are you idiots even suggesting will happen?

I can tell you the short of it. You'll die alone, with nobody to take care of you. You'll be replaced by mud people. Your nations will die.

The end.

Sometimes I have to just pretend people like you are memeing so that I can keep a little faith in humanity. You poor damaged soul.

porn is the culprit

am I a mgtow if I don't plan to get married but still likes to fuck and dump some whores?

>the boomers will die in your lifetime

It doesn't remotely matter if they are genetically inferior, monogamous societies are structured around males being able to produce enough to support 4 persons.

If you have a substantial amount of the male population not producing this wealth, or paying tax on the wealth they didn't produce, or supporting those around them, things will deteriorate rapidly.

These betas may end up helping to create the singularity. Less sex is a good thing. It's time for men to move to the next level of consciousness

It´s like elites plan to turn people into total degenerates always fails

no mgtows are too enlightened for sex

it's the most beta shit ever

Feminism is the problem, destroyed the role of the father, men are alienated and labelled oppressors and women oppressed etc. Jews are behind feminism, and cultural marxism which the latter part is associated with.. and porn itself, they do that too... but its just a crutch, a degenerate coping tool masking a much larger jewish problem.

Sven, it's all tied together. Women having the reins in western society is the reason white people are dying off.

Give it 10-20 years, and they'll be a laughable amount of unmarketable women no one will listen to, a growing population of young redpilled women who don't wish to be like their older sisters alone at 35, and generally things will steer back to the nuclear family.

Or there will be massive bachelor taxes and a break down of organized society as the work force is no longer capable of producing the same wealth as before.

Either way, there will be happenings.

>tfw redpilled, pretty, engineer gf who makes a lot of money and is not a drain and wants to have plenty of sex

You're just unlucky user, no need to be bitter over it. Would you also feel bitter if you lost in the lottery?

We will manufacture white people in labs.

telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/09/13/motherless-babies-possible-as-scientists-create-live-offspring-w/

Stay faithful, brother, and we will visit the stars, unencumbered by the dead weight of the female that has shackled us for so long.

"If we could survive without a wife, citizens of Rome, all of us would do without that nuisance." -- Gaius Octavius, son of Julius Caesar

>neckbeard NEETs stop going after women
>even more pussy for chads
>this is somehow good
get cucked

"Look man, hating Muslims is exactly what ISIS WANTS you to do"

and i'm sure a wise internet man like you knows exactly what women want

Degeneracy isn't a goal, its a tool.

They are trying to recreate the fall of the roman empire.

Or maybe its just happening organically because we gave women power and we are blaming the kikes.

>my ideology is superior
>here's now to ensure it literally cannot be passed down

lol that dangerous crackpot in that unsourced picture is definitely in charge of important media operations and is the brain trust of important political movements and not just some random crank

>Give it 10-20 years, and they'll be a laughable amount of unmarketable women no one will listen to, a growing population of young redpilled women who don't wish to be like their older sisters alone at 35, and generally things will steer back to the nuclear family.

This is already happening.

It's the same with the plastic parents and split family structure. Almost everyone in my generation fucking hates it because they're a product of it.

It's part of the reason sex and dating are drying up in the statistics, I'd wager. People don't want to fuck up the way their parents did.

There are a lot of people still on the hedonism train, but I'm finding more and more people who want to settle down and have a real family. These are people in their early 20s.

I have such a high fucking sex drive I couldn't into MGTOW even if I wanted to :((((

listen i'm sorry that now that women aren't sold into marriage fuckers like you can't get laid anymore, but none of the shit you described is going to happen.

not one word of any of that crazy shit

>implying anyone gives a shit about zero value MGTOW retards and it's not just women getting higher and higher standards from spending all day judging men on social media

Oh this is becoming "MGTOW need to man up to be a good goy by spending money on women" thread.

A man trades most of his life away in exchange for a daily sex haven and his masculinity validated by offspring. A family where the "patriarch" has to fight for everything with a sassy emancipated woman is anything but a haven.

It's no surprise it's either white, nigger or shitskin paupers having many babies, because they can get away with lots of shit that in a well-educated environment would never fly. They procreate like they behave, like animals.

Check those trip-dubs of truth on the Colgate.

telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/09/13/motherless-babies-possible-as-scientists-create-live-offspring-w/

What will the roasties do when they're literally...
Obsolete?

Bait thread, but FYI:

MGTOW isn't a movement. The more known it becomes, the more meaningless it will be. Anyone who is MGTOW doesn't care about the label one way or the other in the first place.

>ITT: Butthurt permavirgins

Try this: every time you see a woman, think about the reality of what her body consists of.

I honestly can't find women attractive anymore.

eurvi.com/autopsypost-mortem-of-a-female-dead-body-of-hanging_bbe3b20c0.html

What they're already doing for humanity, nothing.

>No. Because no.

There will always be happenings, you retarded leaf.

It's only going to get more intense especially since most men in their 30's are still marriage viable while women are not to the same extent.

So, you're going to pretty much have a bulk of women competing for fewer men.

And that's why this movement exists and why they're pushing it so hard on a board known to favour white people making white babies. They're the same people as the "X isn't white!!" brigade.

You better don't become a surgeon then.

niceeeee

MGTOW = Can't get laid so I become a basementdweller.

You people are the literal opposite of any traditional white ideal of man. You're the Untermensch. The degeneracy. You should all just wipe yourself from the gene pool and do us non-degenerates a favour.

>An alpha male lives life the way he wants and always goes his own way, women follow him.

In the past, perhaps, yes. But with no-fault divorce, biased courts, fake rape allegations and general nonchalance from the Gov' on the subject of men, the alphas of yesterday became the leading forces in the creation of the MGTOW lifestyle and discussions today.

Society does not allow an alpha to act like one, if he doesn't go his own way. Women, and by extension the gov, will both exploit him to the bone if he doesn't take the redpill early.

With the introduction of feminism and "body positivity" and all this marxist bullshit, I can't help but feel that this article is bullshit. I used to know SO many slutty liberals (male and female) who engage in the "fuck anyone anywhere anytime, """"polyamory"""""" culture because they've got no guidance or direction in life, and mashing their genitals together feels good, so that's what life is about! Living in the moment, and pure carnal pleasure. No planning, no contribution to society, just mindless fucking whenever and wherever they can get it.

I suppose it's a form of validation to them, but sex without love is just a warm fleshlight that you've got to talk to after.

bitter and spiteful men have to let the whole world know they are single and they like it! Sad!
Why don't you go cry more into your waifu body pillow
The rest of us are busy making more white children.

I don't think you understand what high sex drive actually means.

I once ate out my girlfriend even though she hadn't showered for three days. The smell was horrid and the taste rancid, but I loved it. I knew it was disgusting, but it got me hard as fuck. It was probably one of the best lays I've ever had, to be honest. Very primal.

I even get turned on by ugly fat chicks and so on. It's fucked up. This is the reason that I can never into MGTOW. If you have low sex drive, then sure - go for it!

This. Absolutely this. MGTOW is the absolute bilge of degeneracy. A man should beget children whom he instructs in the ways of society: that is how society continues and grows.

Shut up your country sucks

Have you ever seen anyone in MGTOW? Do their fedoras seem alpha to you?

O RLY?

ELI5 what MGTOW is meant to be. I just see it to be metro faggots who dont listen to be quite honest

meant to quote

>race mixing is ebil; different groups shouldn't mingle

>gender mixing is ebil; different groups shouldn't mingle

Cred Forums can't into logics

Millennial men are having less sex.

Millennial women are getting tons of dick.

This could be the /thread of all /threads.

ya its gonna pass dude, wait a little time and you're not gonna bother with that garbage. you need to raise your standards.

imo sex is something that is best enjoyed when it has some kind of substance, otherwise you might as well masturbate.

>miscegenation propaganda front and center
God fucking damn it.

If you marry a good woman, none of that is an issue.

>inb4 there are no good woman
My brother found one. My best mate found one. Hopefully I'll find one ;_;

>demand freedom
>seek to restrict the freedom of others

Cred Forums can't into logics

>Cred Forums is one person
Not everyone here is a Libertarian you stupid faggot.

IGNORE ALL KEK POSTS

>and the Jews are to blame for making women into monsters and bringing us Muslim hordes

No, the people who believe that women are monsters are to blame. The Jew can shout it from the rooftops all he wants, but nobody has to believe him. Refusing to listen to the Jew means having faith in traditional values, and that is what ends up making a well-populated world of good people. The problem isn't that the Jew tells us bad things, but rather that we listen to him instead of to our own culture.

Why would we want a woman who would result to sucking the brownest (see: most diverse) cocks she can find? She's already a lost cause, let her become just another statistic.

Nothing redpills like real life.

Or, stop worshipping pussy and start doing something meaningful with your life? Fucking girls who you're not in a relationship with is straight up degenerate. All these lefty fucks who go around mashing their dicks and pussies together just because "live in the moment, man." No planning, no goals for the future, just carnal pleasure and "living in the now."

Girls are a gigantic load of bullshit with a warm hole to stick your dick into. Most of them can't into logic, and argue (and also expect to be respected) for their pleas and cries about their feelings, as if how THEY personally feel is the be-all-end-all decider in how everyone else in the world has to behave.

And they legitimately see no problem with this. They're vain as SHIT, too. Ever see how long the average woman spends in the mirror just to walk out the door, even to do the most mundane and trivial shit, like taking out the garbage, or going grocery shopping. Who does an hour of makeup and hair to go to Walmart?

Crazy people, that's who.

Do you correct the record about things like this, too? Do you still get paid the same amount per post, or is that just for Hilldawg stuff?

In this situation, you're the useless baggage that most women usually are.

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction
Live long enough and you see it all the time, as well as being a constant through history. The pendulum swings back the other way.

Every time I see a group gain a little power, they always want more until it becomes an expectation and then the opposing side pushes back hard:
rich/poor
management/unions
capitalism/socialism
feminism/traditional gender roles
liberalism/facism
black/white

No group is ever happy, they have to keep pushing the boundaries to justify their existence. Who has ever heard of any of the above groups saying 'That's enough, we have what we wanted, we don't require any more'.

Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely

>can never have sex
>23 year old virgin and depressed
>tell yourself it's good that you never had sex
>M-MGTOW!

Some serious mental gymnastics

Dude why is sex such a big deal for you, there's no real effort that has to put into it and it's not that special. Also you're saying that only people who aren't having sex have goals in life, which is retarded. Most women aren't marriage material, get over it. Fuck sluts until you find someone who's worth it.

Y'know, every day I come here, I can't help but feel a little evious of full-blooded whites. Your legacy, your heritage, your traditions, there's plenty to envy.

And then I remember that cucks like you are LITERALLY, not meme 'literally', but literally in the actual fucking sense of the word, cuckolding your entire race out of fucking existence.

And then all of a sudden, it's not so bad to be 3/4 spic with a qt semi-traditional white waifu.

Everyone has a high sex drive in their early 20's, dude. Hit 40 and still feel the way you do, and it'll be an accomplishment. It's no big deal (though it is pretty gross) to bang everything you lay your eyes on, self control has it's benefits.

If we'd close the borders and institute currency controls, it wouldn't matter that shitskins made up most of the world population. We could easily glass them with nukes.

We already have a giant labour surplus in the west.

What will you do when you actually read this article you keep spamming that says directly in it how women are still needed, contradicting your entire point of posting it in the first place?

Women aren't having less sex, they're just having more sex with a smaller percentage of the population.

Women are not a priority. Fuck them or don't, friend them or avoid them, but never get married and never cohabitate. This is obviously a wide definition. The saying on the subreddit is that once you are past the initial stages you leave. It does correlate strongly with general redpill trends, focus on financial independence, and individualism - but these are not inherent.

>population control for $500 Alex
What is white genocide

Maybe it's standards coming back? Some men don't want whores, they want a good, honest wife to raise kids with.

Go through high school nowadays, every single girl walks around in skintight yoga pants, they're twerking in the hallways (especially if you're in an """economically disadvantaged""" area), and there is little to no emphasis on learning, just on fact retention and teaching kids to go to an authority figure to solve all of their problems.

Seeing this shit day in and day out makes one lose hope in the future of humanity, because one day these people are going to be "adults" (overgrown 15 year olds) and have some modicum of power, and have no idea what to do with that power.

THIS is what is causing the downfall of America. Our schools are a joke, colleges even moreso. Every movement aimed at women is essentially: "Do what you want with your body, no matter what you do you're never a whore! It's liberating to sleep with men you don't know, it's empowering to have a drunken 4 way and then scream rape!"

This shit is exhausting. I've got a daughter, and it scares the shit out of me how women act nowadays, glorifying whores and entertainment personalities as role models.

> gif
> a fucking N-1 rocket

My entire post is about how sex isn't special to me. It's just another interaction between men and women, but some men will do ANYTHING to have sex. They spend hundreds of dollars on drinks in bars, on ridiculous designer brand clothing, and stand in crowded bars and clubs for hours on end just hoping to stick their dick into some whore, then move onto the next one.

It's the slow death of society, we're reverting back to fucking cavemen, where personal pleasure matters, and everyone else can go fuck themselves, because they aren't me.

It's fucking nigger think. "Dey aint me, dey aint kin."

He's not memeing

He hates you and this society

Some people just don't put so much emphasis on pussy, man. It's hard to understand for you, I'm sure, having been a pusshound your entire life, but what inherent value is there to ramming through 40 or 50 chicks? Do you convince yourself you're looking for "Ms. Right", and all these vapid, first date whores are your prime testing material?

>one long term girlfriend for 7 years
Kek slow down on all that insecurity senpai it's literally flowing out of your fingers

You just described all of human history. Family ties were virtually all that mattered in Ancient Rome - extended only by the system of patronage.

I agree the way most men act is pathetic, but it is and always has been the norm.

Sidenote: Women are like this, too. I wasn't trying to imply that it's only men that seek sex relentlessly, but it's a character flaw. Seeking constant validation through what amounts to meaningless sexual encounters is detrimental, I would say. Focus on career, focus on meeting people in places that aren't notorious for first night hookups and drunken regrets.

There's not a rule anywhere that says that you've got to fuck a girl before you know that she's the one. Sex gets boring after a while, and it's her personality you're going to stick around for.

>reminds me of an old quote: "No matter how hot she is, someone somewhere is tired of her shit."

You're not nuking me, pham. Also, it would be you vs. the rest of the world. You'd lose.

Dude. No. You're actually proud of less sex. Your glorious dawn is to literally be a cuck.

You're right, we won't be nuking you. Portugal should clean up it's own mess.

Good for you for staying in a relationship for multiple years, but why is it so hard for you to imagine that some people can be happy without sex, and that they've got to be in denial AND doing amazing mental gymnastics just because they're not as obsessed with pussy as you are?

Some people see male/female relationships as a waste of time and money, and a very big open door to paying for a "mistake" for the next 18 years of your life. To each their own.

No insecurity here, I'm happily married with two kids, never chased pussy in high school or college. Found a nice girl, knew her for years before we did anything sexual, and it's been great.

Plowing through whores is not the way to find wife material, and this is what 90% of men justify to themselves. You want to talk about mental gymnastics?

Sweetheart, if you depend on Portugal to save the white race, then you might as well commit suicide now.

Because the white race will go extinct you moron.

They've got self control, it seems. Sure, some of them are kissless virgins, I'm sure, but to be able to tell yourself that you're not going to do something anymore, and then go through with it and not do that thing takes a lot of willpower.

Sex isn't something to be proud of, it's what every living thing ever has had to do to reproduce. It's not an act of conquest, or some amazing victory, it's sticking your dick in a wet hole.

How do you put so much priority on this?

This is the same kind of shit Elliot Rodger was saying before he snapped.

Get help before it's too late, pham.

errrrything is white men's fault

>How do you put so much priority on this?
It's part of being a man.

Who gives a fuck. You want to have some small group of white people living in favelas because you wanted to save the white race.

White women killed us get over it.

you can never outbreed brown people they are like parasites

Are you under the impression that impregnating these women is going to get rid of their desire to mate with non whites? Sure, it puts another white kid or two into the market, but what about after that, when they go have 6 of Tyrone's kids after leaving you and taking half of your money for the next 20 years?

Supporting our race is more than just "pop out babies." It's about education and life experience for them, teaching them how to be real people, and not just bow to authority and do everything it takes to not offend anyone or anything, like schools teach.

Don't kid yourselves, MGTOW has nothing to do with this.

Much of the "sexology" from the Mid-1940s stretching into the early 60s was heavily influenced by a man named Dr. Alfred Kinsey. Kinsey, much like all of his successors in the field of Sexology, was a fraud, a hack, and a pseudo-scientist. In fact, he once claimed that the human orgasm was no different than a sneeze (Something which we now know to be completely inaccurate, due to neurochemicals).

Kinsey's initial research (including statistics on promiscuity), came in his books "Sexual Behavior in the Human Male," "Sexual Behavior in the Human Female" and finally "The Kinsey Reports."

These statistics asserted that adultery was the norm, and adulterers claimed it either had no effect on their marriage, or improved it, etc.

Those conclusions are demonstrably false; however, it's the methodology that serves to "debunk" Kinsey's research.

First of all, Kinsey tried to pass his statistics off as being representative of the average, Middle American family of the time. Instead, he sampled sex offenders serving jail time for their crimes. He also went and redefined marriage (For "Sexual Behavior in the Human Female") as "A woman living in the same residence as a man for over 1 year," which technically included a plethora of literal prostitutes.

Additionally, since academia wasn't completely morally and intellectually bankrupt at the time, Kinsey was called on the fact that he only used volunteers. Other studies have shown that people who volunteer their sexual history are ~2.4 times as promiscuous as those who don't.

(Fun fact: Kinsey's research was, in part, funded by the (((Rockefeller Foundation))). It was also used to spearhead the sexual revolution).

In short, the data from the late 50s and early 60s that this clickbait headline (Which somehow gained mainstream traction), is artificially inflated.

1/2

MGOTW isn't about not having sex, it's about doing what you want and not being caught by pact with the devil also known as marriage, plenty of dudes out there who still fuck a lot of women and are successful in life are MGTOW, just as many awkward fat fags who can't get a woman for their life and/or still live with their parents and have achieved nothing in their life, and now they have an excuse to call themselves MGTOW.

2/2

The late 60s stretching through the 70s was, admittedly, a time when promiscuity hit a very real high, and people were fucking anything with a pulse.

(Look into divorce rates at the time. They've spiked monumentally [In part due to Ronald Reagan popularizing no-fault divorce, while Governor of California. But also, due to promiscuity being horrible for stable marriages]).

So to compare behavior today, to say the behavior from 1965-1975, is ridiculous. It doesn't make today's behavior any "better" or "more desirable." It simply serves to illustrate just how immoral society was at the time.

This headline also fails to take into account that a number of people (/r9k/ is actually right for once in their lives) namely women, and a handful of men (Not even the most attractive, or wealthy, just the ones who actually bother to partake), are having the majority of sex.

However, this doesn't mean that the majority of people are having sex within the confines of a long-term relationship with a high chance of marriage. In fact, sex is still thought of as loosely as ever. We're just living in an era where human interaction is disincentivized.

The headline is usually posted as an attempt to (Falsely) suggest that society's attitudes towards sex has grown more traditional, thus we're in need for another round of "sexual liberation."

Our attitudes are just as bad as ever, arguably they're worse. At least at the all-time high of rampant promiscuity, the religious right, and "traditional, average Americans" still held cultural influence in their shaming of such behavior, we have none of that today.

To get to the OP's post, though, this isn't a victory for MGTOW. Partially because MGTOW isn't a remedy to the multitude of problems we face, rather another symptom of it. It's also because MGTOW has, thus far, had very little effect. Will it in another 10-20 years? Probably. However, it's ridiculous to assume that we'd see such a drastic change happen so quickly.

Stop funding them you fucking cuckold

Just picture every woman taking a big ol' greasy pizza and beer shit. You'll be fine.

>massive bachelor taxes
queue massive brain drain as able men flee to the eastern Asian countries.

Part of being a man is reproduction, not mindless chasing of tail. But then again, I am talking to a Mestizo, am I not? You pop out kids like no fucking tomorrow and don't worry about raising them, it's why your country has such a shitty population problem. Nobody who can't afford to feed themselves and put a roof over their own heads should be popping out a kid a year.

Sex just for the pleasure of sex is pointless. You may as well just jerk off, but I suppose you can't brag about that to your friends.

I bet you're not even trying.

having tons of sex supresses your creative abilities, and vice versa, supresing your sexual desires creates an excess of creative ability.

i for one welcome the new age of waifus and waifubots. fuck the world and its roasties, shouldn't have laughed in my face when i invited you to the prom, cunts.

Why does everyone call it Colgate?

It's Aquafresh that has the stripes.

>although a woman would still need to act as a surrogate to carry the baby.

I'm gay and virgin.
Nice try, tho.

>more than halfway there
>hard part is arguably done
>b-b-buh buh buh
Women have just been knocked down two dozen pegs. Not that they'll grasp it.

This is the real point here. Since OP is claiming some kind of utopia involves having less sex, he obviously falls into that latter group.

So the only ones women will be left to choose from are shitskins who will torture them for the rest of their lives while Jews keep to their own and laugh at every white bitch that tries to gold dig them?

The real mystery is why so many single playboy "SMASH PUSSY BRAH" fags glom onto MGTOW when they already have the PUA community.

There was already a schism in MGTOW over just that and my impression was that the players moved on. They seem to remain, though, probably to hear the wisdom of the true MGTOW who know that women are soulless inhuman homunculi who exist to devour males.

I was already going my own way, you don't need the tag to say so

I am married AND cuck my wife 4 times per week. She knows it but she doesn't say shit because the other option is getting the boot

>Stop funding them you fucking cuckold
Meanwhile in the real World
statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

The only one whos truly been funding the destruction of the white race are the USA

>black plague
>population plummets
>no niggers to be imported because the old world was slower and more based
>feudalist jews get fucked in the ass
>their entire system collapses
>hard social reset
>more space
>more opportunities
>RENAISSANCE

ask me why i am in favour of population decline.

I'm pretty sure the data is clear in suggesting that sex is best kept within marriage.

I see that MGTOW is a counter to sluts and degenerate culture, but what if I meet a young qt virgin who follows my lead, lets me redpill her, and is more interested in getting married and being a mother than partying or going out?

We're still interested in having children for the future of the white race, right?

THIS ARTICLE IS TERRIBLY WRITTEN

>By Melissa Batchelor Warnke
PROOF WOMEN ARE THE INFERIOR SEX

>Batchelor Warnke is an intern in The Times' Opinion section.
LATIMES, INTERNS WRITING THE OPEDS

WOMEN OUT OF THE WORKFORCE, UR JUST SHITING IT UP AND BRINGING DOWN THE QUALITY OF EVERYTHING. IF WOMEN WERE A CURRICULUM THEYD BE COMMON CORE, EVERYONE GETS A MEDAL NO MATTER HOW INCOMPETENT

FEMINISM WANTS WOMEN TO REPLACE MEN, YET THEYRE WHOLLY INCAPABLE

>but what if I meet a young qt virgin who follows my lead, lets me redpill her, and is more interested in getting married and being a mother than partying or going out?

kek good luck finding that in 2016

by the time they take over i'll have been dead twice. tell me why i should care?

I wish I could have known sooner.
I had generally been a bit of a misogynist since I had been treated poorly by girls growing up, but I ended up making a decent income by my late 20s and I started dating a girl in her early 20s.
We dated for a couple years and we got along super well. We ended up getting engaged and married, and I hadn't any second thoughts about it. I felt like I hit the jackpot.
After we got married, it all began to unravel. She had basically "won" so she stopped taking care of herself and gained a lot of weight in a short time. She didn't want to cook or clean anymore. She had hidden some of her student debts from me that suddenly became a problem for both of us.
I ended up paying several thousand dollars to clear her debt when she stopped working to become a "full-time housewife". Now, I make good money as I said, but that was still a pain in the ass since she wasn't doing shit around the house.
We kept fighting on a regular basis over various things, and one day I ended up getting off work early so I headed home and found her sleeping with another man.
I filed for divorce, eventually finding out she had been cheating for a significant portion of our relationship. She basically lied and acted a role out just to get her debt paid and be taken care of for some time.
It was pretty devastating since I felt like I wasn't even really punching above my weight.
On the other hand, I was glad to have that lazy cunt out of my house and it was a relatively painless process. No abuse claims or anything messy.
Then, I found out that she had taken down my banking information for my checking account out of my checkbook when I suddenly had a few hundred dollars missing. She thought "I would be okay with that, since she needed a little money to get back on her feet and she didn't go after alimony or anything".
>cont

Good luck finding one.

Sad that other men define themselves in terms of how much pussy they get. Literally letting women define hence control your life. Sad!

oi mate we are 99% white!!

So they're so rare that if I find one I should wife her?

America will be majority non-white by 2018 according to Joe Biden.

>cont
I pressed charges that I eventually dropped because she had nothing. She was just leeching off another guy (different guy than who she cheated on me with). Changed my bank account info and got on with my life.
Now I bought an HTC Vive and play anime games on Steam and do whatever the fuck I want without some calculating cunt going around behind my back.
I will be damned if I ever let some whore dupe me again. I actually keep a few items related to her trickery (financial statements for stolen money, loan repayment, some of her lying messages) in my common area so that my vigilance never drops due to wanting some pussy.
You can call that petty, I know some single women in their 30s who do.
>you need to just let it go
>that's not how women are, it was a bad apple
Bull. Shit. I was never a big fan of women in the first place but this is exactly the type of shit that they pull. No matter, waifus will never steer me wrong.
Feels good man.

mexicans are considered white now.... how does he come up with this figure?

the key is not avoid sex, the key is not marry and have kids (and enjoy seeing the system collapsing)

pretty much

if you plan on doing nofap, quick reminder the first weeks you'll be emotional and tired unless you priorities with productive things

Good post user

>mexicans are considered white now
What?

>how does he come up with this figure?
He says he expects an amnesty + increase immigration from the Middle East and Asia to tip America over into majority non-white status.

Yes.

If you CAN find one, then give her the D.

Kudos, sir. Don't let anyone invalidate your experience.

Women can be so crazy that I honestly just avoid intimacy with them entirely. I don't even want to be on their "radar." There's so much evil vindictive shit they can do for completely petty reasons that it's seriously just a bad idea to get tangled up with them, especially since they've just been getting crazier and crazier in present times.

When Trump becomes president the middle east immigrants will be severely reduced. Asians i dont think anyone cares about

>/lgbt/
I fucking hate MGTOW
go get fucked with a dragon dildo in the ass you fucking closet homo

youtube.com/watch?v=jk7GA4EZZrw

It will be just a glorious demographic sunset man.
>shoot your own leg

m8 thanks to hookup apps, millennials are literally drowning in pussy and cock every which way, straight, homo, bi, transmonsters, they are sexual astronauts exploring the furthest reach of uranus. They just dont want to admit to being whores.

If they live in the modern world, it's very likely they will be influenced by it, no matter how good natured or well raised they are.

youtu.be/JQOijaLjzKs?t=6m37s

White men are objectively the most sought after according to all dating data. If you're losing out to shitskins you're a complete failure.

how is having sex with a fat girl or and 30 years old women that had more than 30 guys is wining user ? please explain

AMEN

When I first hear of MGTOW I thought they are a bunch of intelligent hermits detached from worldly desires talking about philosophy and shieeet.

99% of MGTOW threads I've seen is nothing but bitching about women whom they claimed don't care about anymore.

>So many gender identities and sexualities you need giant sheets to display them.
>Not having sex.
It's not a phase guys, I'm not scoring PC points either! This is real me!

heard*

You know what's really degenerate? Damning your genes and people to extinction because you don't have the testicular fortitude to put effort into finding a nice white girl who will respect and listen to you. Pathetic.

>white women can have 8 potential children in 2016 after being pumped with toxic material for 20+ years
ur ignorance is showing mate. keep talking though, we could all use some laffs today.

>Try your hardest to procreate
>Have to mimic a SJW heterosexual white guy
>She just fucks Ahmed because you have open relationship and refusing someone a decent upbringing because they are from another man is racist
I know this whole "we're doomed" meme already exist, but we are.

MGTOW is literally this:

>hmm this seems difficult therefore I will not even try

b8

This is wrong being alpha isnt about fucking as many women as possible.
Ive done that all throughout college for social status and it was mediocre.
Alphas live how they want.
T. Alpha hermit

>lock yourself in a cage with a ferocious tiger you COWARD
Yeah, no.

you are virgins that wouldnt get laid in the first place and the kikes provided you a platform because it fits their white genocide narrative.

wash yourself you filthy weeb

We are the liberators of our brother males.
Nothing more, nothing less.

MGTOW has a decent enough goal in mind, combating the inflated vagina value, but the problem is that no one cares if the people who consist of MGTOW want to abandon women, because they're all betas.

All Betas leaving means is that there's more women for the Betas who are willing to pay for pussy.

Betas are only desirable as sources of income.

>MGTOW

you've cucked yourself. you're an autoCuck.

if you weren't an autoCuck, you would just set your own terms and go through candidates until you find a woman that accepts your terms.

but you, you're a quitter. and quitters are losers.

If that's true, then what are you worried about? You've gained nothing and lost nothing. Why are you even posting?

Oh, you're one of those hip "trolls" who is only PRETENDING to be retarded.

>warn other males about perfidious males
>encourage bachelor solidarity
>life gets better for bachelors
What's not to get? It's great.

We also have a lot of work to do because there are still a shitton of sex traitors who want their fellow males eaten alive by the cunts.

*perfidious females

why have a human love when you can have a Pepita?

Do you even know what a beta is?

ive found one mate. they exist. she is an aryan virgin, 22, and will be receiving a doctorate in a year. she wants nothing more in life than to be a mother. ive gotten her to agree with me to move onto some farmland when we are both done with school and agreed that before we have kids we both get gun trained.

>inb4 im making shit up

i feel very lucky to have found her, virgins exist senpai but they might not be the girl you see on pornhub. they are going to be the cute nerdy ones who dont walk around with their tits hanging out. if Cred Forums really believes in more traditional women, you need to seek out the ones that dress modestly and look like they would be a virgin or naive. pretty simple, senpai.

but the clock is ticking.

Full house CHECKED
Preach the truth, user

>it was mediocre

This.

It's a huge time and money sink for what? A few nice moments and hours of annoyance. I can just take up smoking crack if I am going to make my life all about chasing temporary highs like an animals.

If I find a woman suitable to be a mother to my children I'll invest in her.

its just like the rat experiment. we are reaching population caps. its a good thing that we reduce our populations, especially because of robots and shieet.

desu senpai we could probably use their intelligence in our genepool. mixed white asian men look retarded tho. maybe not senpai.

Anyone who identifies as MGTOW is an attention hungry faggot. And they're stupid to try and remove one system without having an effective replacement ready to step in

Get back with us in a decade.

BITCHES ARE EASY

THEIR ONLY REAL POWER IS FROM THE STATE

JUST DONT FALL FOR THEIR MARRIAGE MEME, AND WATCH OUT FOR THEIR STEALTH COMMONLAW MARRIAGE MEME

Well no the problem was I was drunk so I could never cum, ive hooked up with 200 plus chicks came like 30% of the time. Before long it was frustrating. One thing to realize girls are fucking terrible at sex, another thing most look like shit naked, i was an anime jerker praying to God to let me have sex to the point where I almost fucked a guy off Cred Forums but he ended up being underaged so i never went through with it.
I also got invited to an orgy by some druggie azn chick and some sex invite from a pop ular tranny porn star. Turned it all down, first time I had sex I was confused.... Huh is this it, and I kept doing it because I thought no this isnt right let me try again.

Eventually you realize masturbating is better than sex. Then women lose all value. Ill have a kid, but not any time soon.

The rat experiment doesn't have anything to do with population caps. It's to do with the effect of "utopian" conditions aka. welfare state. Which is why they're called the rat utopia experiments.
You've taken a completely unrelated conclusion away from the results.

They can call rape whenever they want and even if you make it out unscathed your rep is stil ruined.

>rat experiment
I think I've seen this before, anyone got it on hand?

MGTOW is just another Jewish plot to divide the nation.

Way to go, cuck.

>If you refuse to be cucked you're just a cuck?
lol wat?

Checked.

Ok bud.

>goes from anime jerking loser to fucking over 200 women.

right? what a schizophrenic FAGGOT LOSER

RAPECULTURE IS THE PRIMARY FEMINISM MEME TO KEEP THEIR WOMYN GIBSMEDATS FLOWING

AGAIN LEVERAGING THE STATE SINCE THEYRE THE WEAKER SEX AND THEY KNOW THEYLL ALWAYS BE INFERIOR TO MEN

Sex isn't worth it with online porn desu. Haven't had sex in 6 months and I'm doing great. Picking up girls in a club is a fucking hassle and drinks are fucking expensive. I'm contempt with just jerking it off to Nicole Aniston

Stormfag detected.

>I find it ironic that this huge battle between white men and white women is taking place at a time when we need them to be making babies

Good, abolish women's education, women's suffrage, then we can talk again.

Fuck off, newfag. Cred Forums is MGTOW territory.

hm im unsure, I think there are a different variants of this one. I heard of this utopian one as well but I was tihnking about one that was refered to in my old biology book in a chapter about predators and pray.

basically iirc it said that if a animal has no thing that will eat it the population will grow to a point but then drastically drop once the resources get fewer. im pretty sure you guys were taught about this one as well.

another example which I can actually link you to if you want are insects who will reduce the numbers of eggs depending on the resources available. even before their offsprings dies out of hunger, almost as if they knew that the environment wouldn't be able to feed them.

so I think that this could be happening in humans as well, we get bombarded with news like "the worlds population gets bigger and bigger" and "global warming" etc. my idea here is that it could unconsciously program us to not to have sex and kids.

>mfw roasties flock to Mgtow threads like moths to the flame

>am I a mgtow if I don't plan to get married but still likes to fuck and dump some whores?

Yes. Pump and dump is completely in line with MGTOW.

>There are people who preach breeding
I can't wait until this old fashioned view is gone for good

>Degeneracy isn't a goal, its a tool.

There's nothing more degenerate than to feed the divorce industry and to help modern women.

I don't give a shit. I got till I'm 40. Oh wait. I can have kids at 50.

Truly the saddest excuse for shills/"men" on 4cuck.

It's a shame we might not be able to find you and humiliate you.

How can you handle life if you can't even handle a fucking women and beta kikes?

That's not MGTOW.

And yet women are cheating on "alpha" men and divorcing them taking all their labor
Women are base creatures and can't be controlled by reasonable means
Improving yourself in the expectation that it will attract better women and keep them around you is a false hope
The most attractive of women suck off ugly guys because they are drunk or need drugs or to get back at daddy
Women are married to the government

>MGTOW = Can't get laid so I become a basementdweller.

Prove it.

>A man should beget children whom he instructs in the ways of society: that is how society continues and grows.

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Re-defining losing as winning doesn't actually make it winning. Just like saying you're MGTOW because you can't get laid doesn't suddenly mean you are denying women sex with you. They never wanted it in the first place. Stop being such a beta faggot. Lift, clean up, make money and find a nice white women to have nice white children with. Our race is dying and you are larping like some kind of revolutionary.

>Don't kid yourselves, MGTOW has nothing to do with this

Yes it has.

>but what if I find a mythical unicorn?

Unfortunately, you're stuck looking for her on this planet

That image is truth. Tradcons just swallow female tyranny without realizing it.

White men are ultra virgin cuck masters.
t.pathetic white man

>99% of MGTOW threads I've seen is nothing but bitching about women

So what. Having bad experiences with women is a valid reason to bitch about women, just as having bad experiences with Muslims is.

no i just wanted to see how many are insecure enough to answer me.

2 guys so probably the entirety of Cred Forumss MGTOW following, would not be suprised you are a shill but your saltyness implies you are a neckbeard lowlife that actually buys into this crap.

Yeah its called a fraternity you got laid just by being in one, after some seconds i learned how to play the game myself.

Where's conceive and leave?

>abolish women's education

LITERALLY THIS, UNIVERSITIES ARE SUCH A LAUGHABLE GENDER STUDIES SAFE SPACE LIBKUCK #IMWITHHER SHITSHOW THESE DAYS ENTIRELY BECAUSE OF WOMYN

1 man can impregnate thousands of women

You're just tipping the scale more in the favor of "alpha males"

how does it feel knowing I just stuck my penis into a soft, warm, wet vagina knowing that you have not and will not ever touch one OP?

Only betas compete for women with their wallets. I'm intelligent, good looking with a decent athletic body and can make a woman laugh. I earn literally nothing (studying) and have myself a woman who is financially independent, is happy and willing to pay for everything and treats me like a God. If all you bring to the table is money then of course a woman will look for an upgrade because she doesn't respect, love or want you. Even if you 'win' you'll lose out to people with assets like me who don't have the integrity to stay away from partnered women (I had my share of those go after me but wouldn't put my beta brothers through that shit, 100% their women will still fuck someone else though).

If you couldn't find a quality woman in your prime what makes you think you'll be able to in your 40s? You know what kind of young woman want 40 and 50 year old me? Whores who only want money. Have fun wasting your life and losing it all anyways pussy.

This
While I don't advocate falling into a trap relationship and ruining your life, what's happening is not fixing society in any way
Men are just doing what feminists already did, and everyone will continue to suffer for it

Traditionalists and MGTOWs should be natural allies in ending female tyranny, but instead traditionalists insist on denying the existence of female tyranny and shifting all the blame to males, exactly like SJWs.

This is more true than "all blacks are niggers"

White cuckolds are the scum of the earth

MGTOW autist gtfo

> Married
> Alpha Jock

There are about 3 modes of procreation for humans

2 of which are K selected, the fist one is war, the second one is pre-arranged marriage/filtered by your parents ("do not marry that person because its bad!")

and there is 1 for the r selected people, which is feelings based love.

What you MGTOWS are feeling is not a bad feeling, because most of you arent r selected, you just require different requisites to function well. A society that works in your natures way obviously.

But you still need to reproduce, so just admit it with me, that we need war, rape and brutal violence to set things straight. I will admit it with you because I am like you as well. Only under the hard hand of the patriarchy, either through war or through control of the females, through a manly communal system it is okay for us.

That means, in the end you guys still should follow the lead of the natsocs who want to remove all jews and lower races, as many of them are r selected degenerates.

I wish they'd just keep it as a porn fetish, that shit bleeding into real life is fucking disturbing.

I dont fuck buttholes

perhaps why jews are porn magnates

Filthy heretical bisexual here:

Since when is MGTOW about not getting laid?

Trust me, I'm all for escaping the stranglehold of marriage, be it from women or men. That bullshit is a career killer, and it'll ruin your life. But if you do find someone with good genetics/morals who seems worthwhile, perhaps you should give it a shot?

My favorite, theme related podcast:

youtube.com/watch?v=W8N3FF_3KvU

>believing those unicorns exist

You have a higher chance of winning the lottery than meeting a girl like that.

All mgtow should do what I do. Date girls for a couple dates. Take them on good dates to nice places. Show a lot of interest in them. Then on the date when they want to have sex deny them. When they ask why tell them you juat aren't that into them. Don't call them after. It is the ultimate mind fuck and power move over them.

If that is mgtow everyone one Cred Forums is mgtow...

I simply don't trust women at all.

And if you procreate with a woman and she gets cute on you, then you're completely destroyed.

I also really couldn't stomach raising a little whore, either.

Yes, I know I sound like a radical masculist, because I am.

>be an asshole for no reason like in my self insert fantasies

Who hurt you?

Pretty sad how you /r9k/s hate women and believe all this shitty stuff. My boyfriend and every other boyfriend I've had didn't have this toxic mentality of women, nor any of my friends SO's. Ever consider you and your obsession with the internet might be the problem?

Go out more.

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>Traditionalists and MGTOWs should be natural allies in ending female tyranny

Traditionalisists are the ones erected female tyranny in the first place.

Alpha men cant really marry

Theres too much easy pussy to ever grow up

LOL FAG

would have been better if you say sex is meant for the person you plan on procreating with i.e IM NOT A SLUT AND MY EYES ARE UP HERE!!!!!

would make slut rethink penis

Maybe. Ancient Rome was pretty based, but the Christcucks, sure.

wrong post

yeah ok race mixing slut

Radical implies irrational. What you say makes complete sense to me. I've never once met a trustworthy woman, except for a few redpilled lesbians.

It really must suck raising a girl, to see her become a brainwashed, irrational whore.

>Since when is MGTOW about not getting laid?

It was never about not getting laid. The virgin accusation is bullshit and always was. It's the same bullshit like "You only hate women because you're a basement dweller".

Please tell me more about Somalian cultural values.

>it's the man's problem that a woman can destroy his life at any time for any reason
Completely infuriating. This is why I'm through with women.

They think of males as tools and nothing else. All of their complaints are projection, and they will NEVER admit culpability. Ever.

It's just not in their nature.

Many at Cred Forums are MGTOWs, indeed.

So.. your response to someone trying to help you from a female perspective is "i-i bet you fuck black guys". Pretty typical of this website, whatever, stay virgins.

Pretty sad how you don't make any arguments that back up modern feminism

I've fucked dozens of women and only regret not possibly marrying like 3

This. Cocky fucking baby boomers who didn't think about that giving women a fuckload of shiny new privileges would radically change society.

>sweden

>My boyfriend and every other boyfriend I've had didn't have this toxic mentality of women

Implying you would know. There's literally nothing to gain from telling you what they really think of women.

>Ancient Rome was pretty based, but the Christcucks, sure.

This.

2/2 Hitler was MGTOW, too.

Who said anything about modern feminism? It's good you have a healthy sexlife btw. Just noticed a trend here of genuine women-hating not the tumblr-version of misogyny but actual misogyny stemming from what can only be described as a self-imposed celibacy.

Instead of making these self-pity and misogyny threads, you guys should be focused on self-improvement.

Based on your definition yes. But the vast majority of actuals MGTOW are actual bitter loosers fat beta neckbeard virgins n shit and you know it.

>Traditionalists
>Supporting sexual liberation
>Supporting individualism over the family
>Supporting radical feminism.

>Baby boomers
>Traditionalists

>But the vast majority of actuals MGTOW are actual bitter loosers fat beta neckbeard virgins

Sure, dyke, sure.

Literally the only reason this is true is because any shit tier women better than 4/10 can fuck 10 good looking dudes a day thanks to the internet.

This is the only reasons this is happening.

>Instead of making these self-pity and misogyny threads, you guys should be focused on self-improvement.

1. That's a laughable displacement strategy.
2. Blaming men again, eh?

This problem is around white people. If you are a white male your only plausible chances of having a big nice family is with a female of a different race. You know it's true

How about you make a halfway decent argument to justify promiscuity?

>Literally the only reason this is true is because any shit tier women better than 4/10 can fuck 10 good looking dudes a day thanks to the internet.

Not only internet, also immigration.

No one. Sex lost its meaning a long time ago. This is a game I play. It is all about power. I find it fun to watch as a woman's bodily self worth falls apart. They don't understand why you won't have sex. I'm not religious. I don't care that they have sex. I'm not gay. I just tell them that I don't see having sex with them as fun. It crushes them every time. Try it for yourself.

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Stay mad bro.

This doesn't even remotely play as much of a role as the internet.

you think women or normal men think about you ? yeah dont reproduce nigga no one give a fuck. die

I'm not a sociopath so I don't feel the need to hurt people that have done nothing bad to me, thanks.

Yes, I am blaming men for the misogynistic attitudes displayed in this thread.

What's your point here?

I don't mean to defend or criticize promiscuity. What grown women (and men) do with their bodies sexually between two consenting adults is completely up to them. Not a very hard concept.

>My boyfriend and every other boyfriend

Kys roastie.

For now maybe but in a near future you and Sweden will be fucked up badly with the male/female ratio.

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This.

I know, just asking because of the article. Women do have it coming.

Somewhat related. I once met this chick, biologist, really smart, actually seemed to like me. She was a virgin too. We dated for about six months, and she just turned 180°. From just a normal, rational person to this possessive monster who seemed more interested in owning me (/my wallet) than anything else. And so much family bullshit.

What IS wrong with women? Even if her strategy may have been K selected, it was just a total freedom/boner killer.

But they are women

>Yes, I am blaming men

Yup, you are, femishit.

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t>help

lmfao get a grip flabbylips.

in the extremely rare case that you actually are a woman, show me your white nordic children!

you dont have any, nigger luva.

your input would be best if you would just stop talking and start making me dinner and washing my cum stained socks.

>cunt menace
>roastie parasite

you glorious bastard

>if you're a genetic dead end and your enemy isn't you win

>What IS wrong with women?

They have too many rights.

>misogynistic attitudes

Mysogynistic attitudes countering misandrist laws.

>not getting laid is winning

stopped reading right there.

>women take care of their dogs like kids
>men see this as crazy
>they dont fuck those women

EVERYONE GET IN HERE!!!
THIS THREAD IS BEING SLID!!!

I like it how those threads always tend to trigger the females browsing this board to such an extent that they come in them and write several paragraphs of adhom

Better find some retarded beta and marry him soon, you're out of time in a decade when MGTOW spreads everywhere and the sexbots are finally mass-produced, coupled with VR porn.

>committing racial genocide

you're a fucking moron

B-but user, I don't understand. W-why do you hate women so much? They're all angels.

you are a piece of shit. I seriously hope you are just a rolepaying faggot

And your solution is?

I came to this thread to say this.

Millennial men or millennial women?

Kek, you've damned our existense.

>women
>people who have done nothing bad

pick one stupid kuck

What laws would you propose is misandrist? Though, it might differ greatly from my country. People don't split assets in divorce in Sweden, men can be raped and the criminal convicted, alimony doesn't exist though child support does which is for the child. Generally parents both get custody of the kids unless one is severely unfit.

attempting to ourtbreed niggers is a fools errand. close the borders and reduce populations levels to medieval levels

>I don't mean to defend or criticize promiscuity. What grown women (and men) do with their bodies sexually between two consenting adults is completely up to them. Not a very hard concept.

I would hope not considering it's literally indefensible even from a secular perspective.

Granted, do what you want. Just don't be surprised when more and more men decide they want nothing to do with used goods.

You certainly sound like someone who isn't marriage-material in any way, shape or form.

>none of the shit you described is going to happen
What's it like to be so unbelievably wrong?

>Rights

Fuck the modern definition of rights. Most of the 'rights' women fight for -healthcare, contraceptives, affirmative action, education, etc- are not rights, because they are not FREE. If someone has to pay for your "rights", then they're not rights, and you are a looter.

I fucking hate the word cringe. How has it become so popular? Also the stormfront way would work just fine, if you had the strength to actually implement their system.

But you're right. It's better to just stop having sex at all. Let's stop procreating. The last white man gets to see a world filled with niggers moments before he unleashes nuclear holocaust and eradicates all higher forms of life. That's the future everyone surely hopes for.

You have the biggest and most misandrist set of laws there is. You have socialism. Girls fuck around their whole lives and live as single mothers while few productive men take care of everybody.

I see this russian on every fucking thread about MGTOW I wish I can see what he looks like. He sound bitter as fuck.

You do realize that even in a society without rampant misandry in the legal system, you should only be marrying "pure virgins," right?

I'm not even a stormfag, but the data on promiscuity is clear.

>man gets influenza
>warns people to wash hands and avoid flu
>"gee he sure is bitter about influenza!"

Just now I realised that MGTOW is a good thing.

By denouncing the evils of the eternal cunt men can move on, and when women see men moving on they start to desire them.

Beta MGTOWs will die out but the ones that stick to improving their life will eventually get a woman worthy of them and save the white race.

Amen. It's funny to see them complain about rape when the evidence (including OP) suggests that porn and alternate sexual outlets for men reduces rape and men's interest in 3D roasties in general.

The whole rape hysteria has no basis in reality and is just a proxy battle for them losing their pussy power.

It will be funny to see how they argue against sexbots. Don't objectify that object!!!

Your story is almost exactly like mine. Except for the 2 little girls who I have not seen for over a year now.

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