I just had a conversation about modern art with a female art student

She thought it was art to write fuck you on buildings. She just said I don't appreciate it because I don't understand how it represents the oppression or just 'fuck the system' ect ect.
She said she was an anarchist but didn't want to be labeled.

I was trying to be as rational as possible, but it was totally impossible to get through to her. I told her that I thought art students should at least be able to appreciate the hard work that goes into more traditional art styles.

I argued that perhaps the time for totally de-constructive and provocative art is coming to and end.

I agreed with her where she was right but she just wouldn't even begin to hear my arguments.

She was totally wrapped up in the mumbo jumbo they teach in art school, her arguments were emotional rather than rational.

And then she called me stupid

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did you give her the D at least

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Did you at least fuck the meatbag? The majority of women are big voids of intelligence and the rest are usually corrupt and selfish.

But it is about emotions you idiot. If you write fuck you and people understand what you mean, talk about it and admire, then it is art.

Some ideas are like leprosy, there's nothing you can do to save the victim so just let them stick to their own kind and hope that people will see the results of such beliefs and stay well away.

>trying to talk to a female

>that creature actually thinks she's attractive

oy vey.

>stupid


yes you are stupid. She is a waste of space why waste you time.

Her cunt is filled with AIDS.

Not worth it even if 10/10

Art is about causing emotion. As long as it does this it can be considered art.

kek. Found the MGTOW

Dude, you broke the cardinal rule. Don't talk to artists about anything, ever, period.

>but it's about emotions

And here I thought that Dadaism bullshit has over...

She was emotional in her responses, she wasn't talking about the art

The basic confusion is

Art and Expression are not synonyms.

Skill and Practice in a medium is revealed in Art.

"muh shitpost on a wall" is not Art...it's merely expression.

Any other questions?

>quality universities
>check flag
>nothing to see here folks, just a europoor complaining about their subhuman populace

She's retarded and brain washed by cultural marxism

>Americans defending their unis

So Mao geniciding you chinks was art?

>be a local music artist
>all my music is redpilled
>it's slowly converting people in my area
>I got been in contact with several label execs last couple months
>worried I'm going to get v& if I get too popular

I don't collaborate with any artists in my area because they're all like you described in OP one way or another.

>heart attacks are art
>rape is art
>spoiled milk is art

Cultural marxism

If I call you an idiot and people agree with me, then its art by your logic.

You are an idiot.

This post has a selling price of $50k. It is noted for its understated emotional intensity, provocativity, it is post-post-modern and deconstructive of deconstructionism.

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>I was trying to be as rational as possible
That was the problem. Women are not rational.

Treat them like a child and you'll have better results

What actually happened.

>OP spergs out
>girl starts name dropping some modern artists
>OP continues to sperg out
>Interrupts her with "VOTE TRUMP 2016 MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN"
>She grimaces at him and walks off

You mentioned that you don't consider writing fuck you on buildings on art because it offends you. I'm letting you know art is meant to offend and get people emotional. Its played out and edgy sure but its still art.

Was she a self-described "feminist"?

returnofkings.com/95630/does-borderline-personality-disorder-cause-feminism

>implying anyone reads that book
It's a great resource, but art students are not asked to actually read it.

>doesn't know the difference between modern art and contemporary art
>proceeds to make a thread about "muh stoopid libruls"

trolling is a art, too

See

Please admire if you feel provoked.

>Netherlands
>poor
Oh boy, if they're poor than what the fuck are you?

> Harvard
> Carnegie Mellon
> Yale
> Stanford
> UCLA
With those alone we've produced more people who have changed the world for the better (and worse in a lot of cases)

> And I bet you will claim your heroes from 200+ years ago did something

America owns you, you foreign cunt

>teacher drawing on someone else's artwork

That is very low.

So she named Lapalux?

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It's a proxy based in Beijing/Shanghai you retard

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>a art

I'm a 10/10 neurotypical alpha male actually

Thank you (((modern """art"""))).

You can't argue with a hardcore lefty with facts and logic. They just ignore your points because "muh feels."

You have to use their own methods to point out how retarded they are.

>modern art
>or modern anything for that matter

"Modern" is just another word for "without dignity and subtlety". It's basically what you call anything when it's made by someone who doesn't want to bother with learning and the trail and error that comes with it

Women cannot create art fullstop. The number of great female artists historically can be counted on one hand.

that's hideous and awesome at the same time.

I agree with 90% of these horrible architectural juxtapositions but the ROM is actually really nice looking in person.

t.Canadian

>tried to get through to her
>argument was emotional, not logical
>then she called me stupid

Sounds like you got in an argument with a liberal

Is her hair natural?

This looks like something that Kubrick would love, though.

>Dear diary, today I met a woman.
You know chicks like that usually are whores and Fuck on the first date. I hope your not in love with her OP. And if you do end up fucking use protection. We don't want any more white babies.

Nice post m8. What happened to fine arts is happening in some sciences.

>She said she was an anarchist but didn't want to be labeled.

Human trash.

Link song.

Art is just as much about expression as it is about ability. It's just that people who call themselves "artists" or people who consider what they do "art" are typically self aggrandizing morons with little to no ability.

Remember, it's a warning sign. Anyone who claims themselves to be an artist, is actually a self serving no talent.

>She thought it was art to write fuck you on buildings.

It is. Its fine if you don't like it but to claim that is isn't art is wrong.

...and FYI just because its art doesn't mean its good. Maybe this is why you are getting so frustrated? There is more shit art out there than good art. Just because something is renowned doesn't mean you need t like it.

But I'm not offended because I understand that you are a fucking leaf


I'm more offended by the fact that you think you have a argument

Women are a stale meme

Than using that logic if I wreck my car into another car or fire hydrant and people driving by understand it and appreciate it then it's art.

You're a fucking moron. "Art" of any kind is a craft not just fucking defacing government buildings and property. The "art" you see today is lazy and bad. Street artists have to force their art on the average citizen by getting permission to paint on the side of government buildings because it's so bad it can't make it into a real gallery and people wouldn't pay to see it otherwise.

Your retarded.

Naw, it's hiphop anyways Cred Forums won't like it

>I just had a conversation about modern art with a female

Modern art causes feelings of anger and disgust. These reactions result from the limbic part of the brain. This is the primitive, animal part of the brain that cannot rationalize or reason. Studies have shown that people whose limbic systems are constantly active, begin to rely on it in all their thinking. They become less capable of higher thought, more violent and quicker to anger.

Modern art isn't meant to elevate us or provoke thought, but to lower us. To make us rely on the chimp part of our brain and roverreact to basic impulse.

>art """""""degree"""""""
>somehow doesn't realise art is completely subjective

She's with her isn't she

If Art is being that broadly defined, then tease her back with "War is just realism in the Performance Art movement" and just as valid as your feelings.

>> Harvard
>> Carnegie Mellon
>> Yale
>> Stanford
>> UCLA

>all have affirmative actions
>most have gender studies courses
>many have PC policies such as safe spaces/anti trigger rules
>huur meriga great we best educaishun nao
ok

I disagree. Art is the manifestation of expression. Midern art is valid art.

What's wrong, is the distinctly modern notion that technique and beauty are not what determines if art is GOOD. The idea that art can even BE bad elludes them.

>Art was considered a prestigious curriculum half a century ago in Hitler's time
>now look what happened to it
Kek, Hitler would be praised as a master artist by today's standards

stealing that small font senpai

Hey I'm American and I love America but our Universities are shit-tier re-education camps even the Ivy League ones you listed who haven't really produced anyone of worth in about 100 years. They only produced good people 300 years ago because they were literally the only universities in our country/colonies

>22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."
>23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

Making that argument is terrible, because then the word "art" loses literally all meaning. Then everything is art, and nothing is. Art has a purpose and a meaning. It's NOT a urinal with an "artist's" name inscribed on the side. That's a subversion of art. That's intended to destroy what art is.

>a man who doesn't understand art gets frustrated when others tell him that he doesn't understand art

Fascinating.

A photograph of a Walker Evans photograph is considered a work of art, and is in the collection of the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Pic related.

Art will live on in the entertainment and industrial design sector, where they ironically lose all of their mystical "artsy" quality and become sciences and skills.

Just google something like "environment concept art"
Motherfucking Da Vinci only wish his painting was this majestic

Try us.

This image does a pretty good job of epitomizing the struggle between liberals and conservatives in this century, desu senpai.

Art is the manifestation of Expression.

That still doesn't mean Art IS expression.

Expression calling itself art is merely wrong, not only bad.

Have a great day!

Woah I just got fucked over mate

You didn't copyright it faggot

Art is no longer a respectable profession. Why are you surprised it's filled with the dregs?

Send lonk

There is a very interesting history of art. If you see her often see if you can show her some Futurism and learn a thing or two.

>can draw landscapes
>cant draw realistic humans
This is why art is considered a joke

Art isn't exclusive. Anyone can make art at any time. How compelling a piece is and the skill of its execution determines how good it is, not whether it is art at all.

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>it's not art because COMMIES

Actually I did, so now I can technically sue you

I'm thinking for my magnum opus to showcase an exhibit featuring artwork designed to offended. I will have countless paintings with nothing but the word NIGGER FAGGOT all over it. And then I'll have blank artwork make a majority of the exhibit. Then I'll draw realistic portrits and landscapes that are aestethic but name them NIGGER FAGGOT and see if the viewer is offended more by the words or seeing if the artwork moves them despite words. And I'll play Trump speeches in the background. At the begining I'll have a sign saying trigger warning and list the triggers and spray paint FUCK YOUR TRIGGER WARNINGS over it. I'm going to call it NIGGER FAGGOT HOMO exhibit.

Will I pass my final project and finally get my art degree with this idea Cred Forums?

Can you shut the fuck up about this modern art shit, there are plenty of great artists out there who do none of the shitting on canvases and sculpting giant assholes.

Architects, graphic designers, web designers, a bunch of illustrators, animators, etc. The people you list are just the lazy artists who make money off of explicit reactionary responses.

No that is right as part of what modern art is, it is Dadaist as in to say the modern world is to corrupt to deserve good art.

Although you could argue whether the world doesnt deserve art, it has a terrible affect on psychology for all beauty to be replaced with hideous art, self esteem and hope for self determination are all but destroyed.

That's why weak pathetic people make modern art, which supports their worldview that they are weak, fallen and need central control to make everyone stop being a racist or what have you.

What's wrong with photography as an art form?

le tip

How angry does this art make you?

>italian not understanding how universities work within multiple-college university systems

No suprise there you subversive jew

newfag
>inb4 kek you're the newfag i was pretending all along

>an Aussie believes writing fuck you on a building is art
Did we meme your country into existence?

>a urinal with a name on it is art!
>the fact that soviet agents were told to go and produce bullshit, calling it "art" to undermine the culture of the US is COMPLETE COINCIDENCE!!!
You've been duped.

>QUTFMEO8
What did he mean by this?

University is mostly trash

I went to university for graphic design merely to use their stupidly expensive equipment for my course fee. Was actually just about worth the price with that + picking specialists brains for knowledge they've gained by experience. And I gained useful contacts from it - but alas that's useless for most of these yahoo courses.

You should only ever go to university to learn something you can't get from a book, or a course such as STEM which would rather you have a qualification to prove you know your shit

I am aware my course is definitely on the lower tier, but I was determined to succeed and I have

the second "artwork" is a photograph that a woman took of the first photograph. Because a woman took the picture, it's a celebration of GRRRRL POWER.

This is how stupid liberals have been for decades.

Reminder that this was photographed, printed, framed and sold for $90,900.

Art foundations are mostly based on emotions, not feelings though which millennials have confused with.

Modern art however is based on bullshit. It should be called Bratty Art instead. And considering most (all) art students are retarded it isn't taken seriously. It doesn't help that society is culturally illiterate either

Well, then it's also art to have a clean wall. And when you write "fuck you" you're vandalizing someone else's art. Similarly, when the city cleas up the "fuck you" with rollers, they're restoring the original art and its expression of order, cleanliness and harmony.

university arts programs are a lost cause at this point. The entire building must be burned down, and the ashes bleached.

>And then I'll have blank artwork make a majority of the exhibit.
that's cute, user

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2146436/Empty-sculpture-stand-blank-canvas-main-attractions-invisible-art-exhibition.html

>the fact that soviet agents were told to go and produce bullshit, calling it "art" to undermine the culture of the US is COMPLETE COINCIDENCE!!!
lel

/biz/ isn't as full of shit as I thought.

Daniel Libeskind is a hack.

Only thing left to do is buy that photo of a photo that someone bought for $90

That's pretty funny. The nutcracker is between the woman's legs. So deep.

Its not the fact that photography is an art form but the fact that a photograph of a photography is considered art.
lrn2read amerilard

Can rare pepe be considered art ?

>Burger reading comprehension

You have to be able to lie and tell girls that what they're doing is a positive thing in order for that to happen, no matter how stupid it is or how childish they act, because all women are childish at heart.

>Making that argument is terrible, because then the word "art" loses literally all meaning.


It doesn't. It expands the meaning and gives it more depth.

Your "I DON'T LIKE IT SO IT CANT BE ART!!" argument is shit and ignorant.

"muh expression" means nothing

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Congrats on your first conversation with a woman, OP. Maybe you can even begin to contemplate the loss of your virginity (but don't get overexcited or rapey).

Fuck

Yeah lets ask China about what art is

>Can rare pepe be considered art ?

Pepe in all his forms is the quintessence of art.

We are totally overpopulated so everything is meaningless. In the past an amazing band would draw crowds to small bars and would be treasured. Now so many people play music that nobody even gives a shit and everyone just listens to what is popular. You can apply that to everything. Post-industrialisation is a bubble waiting to pop for good and people probably won't even give a shit when it does. The malaise is deep

ljfgtftknwtd famalam
(Lord jesus forgive them for they know not what they do)

thanks, nah i think she hate me now. Good thing I'm MGTOW

;)

What makes jizzing, peeing and shitting on canvas art? The fact that it's retarded and it got a reaction out of me? What dumbfuck way to classify what's art.

What makes modern artists so special then if writing LOL on a piece of paper can be art? Why aren't we all millionaires cashing in the bumblefucks who buy that shit?

That's actually sad as fuck.

it's fun to read about old world anarchists like Clement Duvall, who lived in times where the french were loping off heads because of the things they wrote.

But like all "archaists" i know, their opinions falter when they need to visit the doc.

These

But the CIA literally invented Modern art.

I hope this example was some kind of bait to the occasional /ic/ lurker...and here I am, b8d by it.

That is a shit picture. Pure garbage. A photo of a sky pixelated and awfully pasted behind the mountains, those ships badly cropped and lazily placed and pasted. The composition. The cookiecutter landscape. Just terrible.

Photobashers are barely only one step above furries and women painting with their menstruation. Almost as bad as conceptual, fuck the system "you just dont get it" artists.

And motherfucking Da Vinci shits all over photobashers.

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>>/c/aptcha 101

Yeah I went to university for graphic design as well, degree is full of shit and people who are self-taught are much better at designing then the ones I went to school with.

Mainly just went to get a BA so I'd have better eligibility to getting a good job at a good firm, but seriously, most people who only get graphic design degrees with no other art background are by far the worst designers I have ever met, like clip-art trash designs.

I love all of the art school "artists" ignoring the core concept of ability and claiming the craft is nothing but expression. Art is determined by critics and fans. You don't get to decide that you're going to "make an art" when you wake up.

It's time to grow up and smell the fries you'll be flash frying for the rest of your life, no talent.

>No it doesn't it expands its meaning!!!
on the contrary. If you use the word "dog" to refer to literally ANY ANIMAL, then the word "dog" has lost its purpose. Now you must come up with a new word for "dog" because you've got "dog" referring to "ANY ANIMAL" and then you've got a barking thing that descended from wolves, foxes, and Central American "land piranhas"

Words have meaning because of their restrictions and exclusivity. The minute you say "EVERYTHING IS ART" -- besides outing yourself as a complete retard and destroying the word and concept of "art", you've unintentionally created a vacuum for a word that will match what, historically, the definition of "art"

So fuck you.

About a month ago, some girl came into my work right before we closed. She looked she had been crying and talked really fast.
She said she needed someone "gay, queer, or highly appreciative of art". I told her nobody here fits her description. Then she said she just needed someone to come to he college across the street and tell the janitor they appreciate her art on a bathroom wall so it won't get washed off.
I didn't want to get involved and neither did anyone else. So, she just left. I still wonder what her masterpiece must have been.

those aircraft in the sky ruin it for me

But muh wacky eyebrows and back pain!

What exactly am I looking at?

looks like my ex

Im just impressed a lasagnagoogle could muster up the energy between naps, meals, and blackouts to type up a retort

Garlicy Gyppos

I could care less if those people are shit, less competition for me desu

Words of truth though about the non art backgrounds. Just trash

Kek, these cunts are so far up their asses, you will never get through to them. I remember dating an art history student and talking about her biggest obsession, some shitty photographer, who had these public performances, where he hanged himself and took pictures of the audience until passing out.

For her, this was the epitome of art, although she couldn't explain why. It was just so "profound" and "daring".

Same happens with other plastic art majors. Art isn't something to be taught at school, it's something you have to be naturally good at from the start otherwise you're just memeing

Tell her that the establishment is now anti-rape, and that in order to be truly anti-establishment and subversive, she needs to let you rape her on camera, for art!

tbf, lasagna people were fucking artists once upon a time. Perhaps its his great, great, great, great grandpappy's ghost being channeled for a Cred Forums art thread.

It took you 23 minutes to post a reply because your fingers are too fat to type and speech to text barely works because you have to take a break after every syllable

>Art isn't something to be taught at school, it's something you have to be naturally good at from the start otherwise you're just memeing
The fabled Mexican intellectual everyone

That's fucking wrong, art is absolutely something to be taught, and you have to spend thousands of hours to perfect your craft. Talent just speeds up the process, but that can also be plenty of student's downfall as they think they've reached the top when they've barely mastered the basics

You're confusing talent and ability.

>trying to reason with a woman

You were doomed to lose that argument from the start, Dutchbro.

Women are driven by emotion rather than logic, and nothing will change that.

>Implying I didn't just find this thread and respond to an old post I found amusing.

Oh fuck that one took at least 3 burgs worth of calories to type out. Brb lrn2InNOut

Ivan, y u do this, we friend.

it's art but it's really shitty art that you should be embarassed to be creating at all if you're interested in "art".

bitch probably thinks she's the next banksy or something with "brilliant thinking" like this

I mean I'm all for anti-art but don't spray paint it on a public wall

>red pen all over a piece of original art

Anything can be art, but art can also be utter shit. Writing fuck you on a building or 'Fuck Trump' is shit and doesn't inspire anything or draw on creativity at all. It is literarily pleb level art that your grandmother could outshine.

I was talking about talent. Photo majors are able to learn easily as all of them are like drones. Their talent however ranges from mediocre to nonexistent.

Art cannot be art if there's no talent applied on it

WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO THE EUROPEAN ART THAT ACTUALLY TOOK YEARS OF HARD WORK TO DO?

Unless you're trying to fuck the bitch, why are you even talking to her?

I kinda know the feeling. I'm a film maker, and throughout film school, like a good chunk were:
>"Art Students" who are too much fuck ups to even do shitty experimental art
>Rich kids who picked it basically because it seemed "fun"
>Autists trying to make their Dresden Files fanfiction come to life

It was hell sitting through so many films of fuckers just screaming into their camera to be "artsy." You'd be surprised how so many girls in my classes would just sit back and do nothing at shoots, then turn around and bitch that we didn't involve them more.

Photography isn't painting though so you really should have specified as such

It simply isn't fashionable. Even if artists would want to do that, they get a better wage from caeving their bame into an urinal.

You know, this actually looks kind of cool, like a nasty parasite quickly growing on an old organism.

Go back to socialist realism. I actually liked some of it.

>Art cannot be art if there's no talent applied on it

Firstly It seems you are confusing talent with skill. In either case you are wrong.

That building has cancer.

He thought it was a movement to shitpost Cred Forums. He just said I don't appreciate it because I don't understand how it represents the NEETdom / weeb culture or just 'fuck the system' ect ect.
He said he was an national socialists but didn't want to be labeled.

I was trying to be as rational as possible, but it was totally impossible to get through to him. I told him about the distaster of world war 2 about how some people of color contribute to the society and that a nation is a social construct.

I argued that perhaps the time for human divadive ideologies that only bring destruction has came to an end.

I agreed with him where he was right (about the need for a socialist state) but he just wouldn't even begin to hear my arguments.

he was totally wrapped up in the Cred Forums circlejerk and altright infowar hate preachers, his arguments were emotional rather than rational.

And then he called CTR.

Says the guy whose gf is probably being fucked by a Google right now.

Why am I not a millionnaire then? If everything is art and art doesn't require skill, why will no one buy my masterpiece called "Autismo" that is a random stick I collected from the woods nearby 30min before the exhibition?

Most of these artiest were born in rich families and were destined to be artist because their parents would force them to get apprenticeship.

why didnt you fuck her? women are for fucking not discussion you idiot

Ey Mario I'm coming to Italy for two months starting next week. What's the putana game like?

Because you have to talk shit and get into the in-crowd

It's not moonman is it?

differentiate between "really good art that people will give you money for" and "art that I happened to make"

also

>painting something realistically
>hurr durr photobashing

the only reason why Classical art was considered good was because realism was a novelty of its time, before photography.

Why do you even assume realism is so hard that whoever did make this use some tricks to pull it off ?
Hyper realism is nothing hard, It has been done to death, artists crank this shit out on a daily basis.
and because of that, artist are now charged hourly fee instead of having their art hanged in a museum.
Realism is no longer a novelty, it's more like an entry level skill at this point.

Nowadays art student can draw better figure in one semester than the old master did in their life time, because that's the point of progress.

>women are for fucking not discussion you idiot
t. Muslim Dude

You are confusing art with GOOD art. Just because its art doesnt mean its good or worth anything. And again it doesn't matter. Art doesn't requite talent or skill. merely some creative intent.

That shitty painting your three year old daughter did in school is still art.

Modern art is the self-expression of the feebleminded.

are you sure he's photobashing?
[inb4 you can tell from a few of the lazors and shooping a few woops in your time]
there are stil igital painters out there, and plenty of sculptors

I take it too

Depends on the issue, sometimes specifically telling them that they're dumb and childish is what gets them wet

>female art student

Well there's your problem. I'm a male art student. Ask me something.

I remember coming across this scenario in real life. I did art for a little bit about 10 years ago and what the guy is talking about in regards to 'weight' and nude drawing is true.

The year I started a real job my friend told me that they dropped nude drawing from the curriculum.

It's a shame that life drawing doesn't really get offered anymore.

>Is her hair natural?

What do you think? retard.

>that they dropped nude drawing from the curriculum.

I did a semester of it just last year

That's the who painted my house

just keep away from her and let her fuck her life up OP

>This place had once been the seat of an evil older than mankind and wider than the known universe. lt was a place of pain and suffering beyond human understanding.
>Originally, there was an old stone church built on this site in seventeen eighty-eight but the black church swallowed up the old sanctuary the way it has swallowed our minds.

When I graduated on fine arts (I specialized on animation and design so I got a fucking job), the teachers would literally name the jew. Specifically NY jews and the CIA when talking about the boom of conceptual art.

Was pretty surprised about it

Kek save us. Art is about emotion it says! Hahaha people are truly fucking lost.

You missed out on the chance to save a lost soul. Shame on you.

originally art was defined by the great amount of skill and effort required to produce it

>tfw my multicuck teacher enjoy modern "art"
He went in great detail about that one theater piece he went to where the actor arrived late, got naked and started walking and physically interacting with the audience.

Fuck I love that movie

To these cunts, art is about how "edgy" and "deep" you can apear, without actually being edgy or deep. Roasties corrupt art into a means of social status.

Women are most susceptible of the two sexes to subversion. This is why they have always excelled in educational settings; they are more docile, more obedient, more focused on repetition than innovation, and less likely to back down from a philosophical standpoint (which actually explains why they're awful philosophers).

Once a female has been indoctrinated into a frame of mind, it will take years of de-normalization to break this training. And if the society around her is indoctrinated as well, there is a high likelihood that she will remain convicted in her established opinion, and never explore the realm of individual exploration or independent thought.

This is the reason why feminism is so prominent in dying societies: once it begins it will not cease as long as women are permitted the rights granted by previous feminist advocates, and with it comes an intolerance for opposing viewpoints and alternative thought; both of which are essential for a functioning society.

Sounds pretty dreadful honestly. The old masters (whatever you may say of them) revelled in the mystery of the artistic experience. In my view, there is no difference between a religious and an artistic experience.

The allegory of the muse also appears to be seen as an antiquated idea by a great number of contemporary artists.