Is basic income an inevitable future with automatization going on at an alarming rate?

Probably. Especially with how liberal people are.

Avatar faging is a banable offense enjoy your ban, dumb deer poster

Having a population of disarmed numales makes it all the more likely

I think about this on a daily basis. A scenario in which no-one is getting paid for anything. People living in shanti-towns, building communes in the fucking woods, The Road tier type shit. I can't even really put all the peices together, it's like this vague zeigeist-like direction we seem to be heading in. Can you imagine if suddenly the government announced, no more welfare for anyone.... that would probably be the beginning of the end... thanks for listening to me ramble incoherently to myself.

deerposting is good. i approve.

we already have basic income in our country. it's called welfare. the funny stuff is that the majority of people who work are also on a welfare salary. the people of the first world get just enough money so they do not riot in the streets and kill their masters.

but that is till the robots come to aid the rich and powerful. no more mr. nice guy. the weak workforce will be replaced and we will be destroyed like redundant and outdated equipment. the method: robo waifu's.

>Deer are beautiful creatures

Deer are fucking assholes. They're like squirrels, except it'll fuck up your car if you hit one.

There is literally not issues with automation unless the population is incapable of the new jobs that had to be done. For instance, there would be problems if a serf who usually harvested with a reaper knife couldn't drive a tractor.

Likewise, if one is incapable of the new jobs automation brings, say if he's a fucking white male with a STEM degree, then there would be problems.

Basic income is not the solution.

I don't think it's geographically limited.

As soon as the people who own you realize they no longer need you, you're going to be eliminated.

Perhaps not in the way you think-- with some violent overnight purge... but eliminated all the same.

And what would the recourse for the average citizen of western/northern Europe be?

Karl Marxs thought so when he invented universial basic income.

true western/northern european genocide would take a russian, american or chinese invasion. if you talking about the "refugees", thats not genocide, thats population replacement over generations

The issue is that one serf can drive the tractor. What about the 6 or 7 other serfs that can drive a tractor, but there's no need for them?

Karl Marx invented basic income?
Are you fucking retarded

genocide is possible everywhere, i just meant than in northern or western europe, basic income is far more likely.

Thank you pajeet

But not every human being is capable of achieving a decent amount of knowledge in STEM fields, every human is wired differently, some are good at logical stuff, others are good at creative stuff, others are good at building stuff with their hands.

Its either that or a state of perpetual revolution.

>automatization going on at an alarming rate?

source?

>source

the outside world

your television

Karl Marx invented it in his book "Capital: Critique of Political Economy". In the chapters speaking about how production would eventually be all automatic and the effects on capitalism that it will have.

He considered universial basic income to be inevitable in such a situation.

But what is the point of that in a consumer economy? You need people to work and to buy, if one part of that fails then the whole thing comes down

Then I guess he was right on that one.
Cannot be socialism though because that would just kill the economy and entrepreneurship drive.

No, they'll just toss people in the streets while the few left with enough willpower will fight for the few jobs left with third world wages.

That's the reason of multiculturalism, you know: they don't want your culture, they want you to adapt to theirs, to become a monkey slave basically.

>being a monkey slave
>bad
Hey, wtf it is great life m8

imao. They will just utilize us in ww3

Why an income? For what purpose do you need an income if everything is automated? If machines are working why pay for anything at all? What is the incentive for money?

Machines plant crops, machines harvest crops, machines bring products to stores, people pick what they want, machines restock the shelves, rinse wash repeat. Why use money if things are going to be done for you?

Because the market forces cannot be substituted adequately.
The state cannot allocate the resources well enough, absolute idiot. You get Venezuela then, even with a good and stable production.

They go to the cities and do even more jobs.

Again, the unemployment that we're seeing now isn't caused by automation or digitisation, it's caused by self imposed policies by corporations that are designed to feel good by the implementers with little regard for the moral hazards they cause. They are selfish, it's charity at someone else's expense.

Yes, that's a new problem.

The thing is tractors are actually easy to drive, 120 hours in any vehicle would get you enough experience to work with that vehicle. STEM is more difficult and it's almost like this entire anti white male thing was fabricated either to stifle technology itself or mask the fact that white men are really good at STEM when new ideas are a must.

What I feel is the absolute worst is when academic programs try to farm from white boys how they innovate and where their creativity comes from. That's offensive, every year at uni I had to say some shit about innovation as if I could just teach my soul so I could be replaced by someone not white or male.

Let's face it, things started going wrong the second they stopped listening to the white man. This has absolutely nothing to do with technological development of any kind. They were literally scared they wouldn't have anything to do in this brave new world and so they decided they would hog those jobs, everyone except the people who created those jobs.

How about you don't blame the coming collapse on technology? Yeah, that would be nice, thanks.

Even in fucking North Korea people are given an allowance. Technically you would still need a currency, be it money or videogame money, because what if you want milk over tea, what if you want cigarettes over watching a movie.

can russia ally the us and all of europe (turkey will never be europe while constantinople is muslim) this time pls? if so im ready

Communism is retarded, but Marx' analysis on capitalism was spot on. And he had a great understanding of the capitalist system and all potential problems and so on and so forth.

His attempts to fix those problems on the other hand is not very good.

The thing about Marx is that he was thinking about things in our economy that is not interesting for economists. Economists are not interested in looking at the problems of communism, it's just accepted. So if anyone wants to understand Capitalism then Marx is still one of the best things to read even for a right winger.

Marx thought that it would be a stepping stone towards a pure socialist state (like the one you describe).

And you will always have people who wants ALL the sugar in the store if they can get it for free for example.

the rich and powerful consume, we die.

Marx just could analyse capitalism, not even give an alternative to it. He was very great at it though.

Inevitable no. Desirable yes.

And checked.

what the fuck is going on in that pic? someone keeping a forest-rat as pet?

on topic: I think the greatest resistance to a universal basic income would come from within the tentacles of government itself - all those people working in the public (dis)service will be out of a job when the insane web of welfare bullshit is swept away in favour of a much simpler system

it's never going to happen though, people will find new jobs and government doesn't want the guarantee - if you think your continued existence depends on them alone then they've got your vote for life

Who gives a fuck, post more deer

>we need immigration, we need more people, who will work for our retirment!
>basic income is needed, we dont have that many jobs!
Why leftiest are so retarded? Fucked up genetics?

Electro-mechanical technician who installs automation systems at factories and warehouses here.

No, there won't be a basic income coming. Remember how the masses of poor lived when the industrial revolution displaced former farming people? If not, you might want to read Charles Dickens sometime soon.

Someone needs to drive society ahead idiot, they are more needed than you think.

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Or how about its obvious inflationary effect? Unless your nation is 90% immigrant, there is no way basic income could possibly benefit even a minority of people for a long period.

If you simply want to make people richer, why not remove income tax instead? Basic income is a subvert argument to remove income tax, and the lowest brackets for locals should be removed. You shouldn't pay tax at all if you earn less than 50k or whatever it is, people in that tax bracket over consume anyway so the government will get a bit back in tariffs anyway.

No, user, basic income is very stupid. It's so very dumb.

>They go to the cities and do even more jobs
What jobs? For every job that used to take 10 men now takes a single robot or computer. The number of jobs created by the atomization process will be far less than the ones lost

And robots can work night and day without wages.

>human labor will still be necessary for at least another few decades
you're a retard

Then the amount of goods produced is ten fold and the price of goods is a tenth. The producer wins because they produce ten times more for the same energy, the consumer wins because they purchase the same good for a tenth of the price.

And feminists are swinging from ropes.

The state has nothing to allocate though, machines do the work. There is no human work involved there is no incentive for human work. There is no system, only machines.

But people still work in North Korea, you don't have people working in an automated society so what is the point of money?

I can see them wanting power and fucking up an automated society

Deer a cute. CUTE!

how much do you feed that thing? doesn't look like you're feeding it enough.

Post the cutest deer you have.

>is basic income inevitable?
No. Genocide is.

It will... At least musicians will likely be human because girls like to fawn over some real boy instead of some AI music-smith.

Also child care will likely be human because people prefer it. And politicians will likely be human. There will be humans with jobs in a few decades as well.

the one and only

Those eyes :3

mmmmmhhhhn venison.

There will be people need build and maintain the finder parts of the machines
there will be things that need a human touch for a long time
>Pedicures/manicures
>Chefs
>child care/teaching
Read some Asimov, they're outting to much stock into how quickly automation and AI will happen. Also when it would be a financially viable option as a replacement
They did the same shit with nano tech like 10 years ago and it never reached the point they thought it would
Plus what will you do with pic related?

yes. Most people will not be intelligent enough to work new jobs created by technological change. We are already seeing this now with protectionist "nationalism", which is just another form of welfare program. There are insufficiently many jobs available for people with mediocre IQ in Western countries.

No.
The future will be every non-specialised person on a zero-hours contract roaming the country in a nomadic existence staying in bunkhouses and airbnbs looking for scraps of casual work while government provides "top up" welfare to their minimal pay.

...and I cannot wait for it.

>implying the cost would go down
>implying corporations wouldn't just pocket the profit

Shiggy diggy

>no more welfare for anyone

It would be incredible, all those people would become self-sufficient within weeks. Necessity is the mother of invention.

When the famine came, when the flood came, when the blight came, humans upped sticks and ventured into new lands.

It shall be as it has been before.

It would have to be since the parents aren't working. The only jobs I see people doing in an automated society is performing arts. We are going to have to entertain each other. But even if we are in arts, government, and other purely human endeavors I still say there is no use for money.

We are entering a new age, an age of assets not earnings.

/thread

>implying other companies, usually much smaller than them, won't out compete them
They can pocket whatever they like, goods will still be produced at their value and then sold for a profit. Unless they're the only ones who can produce the goods, in which case (((monopoly))), there will always be competitors.

Not for a few hundred more years at least.

We're not even profitable as a country right now, how the fuck are we supposed to pay everyone with excess money we don't have.

>(((monopoly)))
Literally every capitalists' goal is to attain monopoly status.

this. ironically the same people (trumpfags) rallying around nationalism/complaining about jobs are the same ones that need basic income, as they will be too stupid to work in the future.

Again, this is only an issue if the workers who create those assets or make up those assets are hindered in whatever way.

Yeah, but... It's not actually meant to happen. This makes capitalism sound awkward and stupid when it's obvious it's an unwinable game, but it does at once provide purpose and distribute goods and services.

It's in reality much more peaceful than feudalism. You are not an intelligent person if you don't understand that.

Yes. And after that a true communism will be finally possible. Without every penny.

>>It would have to be since the parents aren't working.

Roman royalty did not work either, they had slaves for that. But they still needed to have someone entertain their children when they went to orgies.

Poor parents usually just killed their children when they wanted to party (it was legal to "abort" the children until they were 2 or 4 years old. Can't remember, but it was after they were finished being "toddlers" that it became illegal to kill your own children and that might become common in the future as well when atheism becomes more normal. Having someone watch your children while you are at an orgy might be a service people would want. Parents often prefer to have a babysitter instead of killing their children when attending th And in that case money is needed or else the people willing would be overflooded.)

>Yeah, but... It's not actually meant to happen.
Why not?

But genocide does not deny the basi income. Both can be maintained as well. Genocide then have to be implemented on a eugenic basis. Dont see a problem there.

The elite (Jews, masons, etc.) promote self-destructive vices through their celebrity slaves in order to convince them that that is how you live the good life, when it reality it is to make them kill themselves.

See I feel this is why they feel affirmative action is necessary despite it being otherwise unjustifiable. If you don't force them minorities into the STEM fields now by all costs, they will never participate and we'll always have roving gangs of """youths""".

Because then the market effects of competition, namely development and innovation, won't effect the end product of the good. It'll stagnate because there's no real reason to produce anything better.

no, but race ware is an inevitable future with you being first in line to get gassed.

Plenty of the most innovative companies today are effectively monopolists. See Google, Facebook, and so on.

>If you don't force them minorities into the STEM fields now by all costs
Most of them have insufficient IQ to succeed at them. Most white and asian people do, also.

you right behind him

more like rice war... LOL

The eventual outcome of advanced society is all needs will be met. This is easier in a cashless society. The ultimate goal of the elite is to cause depopulation until there is such a small population that the needs may easily be met. After which, we may begin the true space-age.

in your dreams, cunt
checked tho

>automatization
>genocide

Good thing I live in this massive and backwards shithole. Human labour will never go out of style here.

Possibly, though it's probably still a ways off. We'll have to see automation much closer to true AI before people are unemployed in such volume that a basic income is really necessary because employment is literally impossible to find for those who are not highly skilled in some advanced field.

this
people seem to be stupidly positive about automatisation and blind to clearly economical reason of current madness

I think that's the idea. You set the entire industry up as the lowest common denominator being the minimal standard, but to do this you need literally no white people in STEM at all.

BTW Asians are horrible, you thinking they're not is a blue pill. They really struggle with outside the box thinking, it's literally painful to them. They're so proactive and so diligent they over design and over complicate what they design. It's a compulsion to them.

So only white men absolutely had to be ejected.

>>Dark as it is, I think we'll see governments just letting people die in the streets before we see basic income.

Those governments will quickly collapse then, nobody is going to accept being left to die in a ditch.

>humans upped sticks and ventured into new lands.
Ermm...
We have no new lands, everything is occupied or owned.

Automatization wouldn't be a bad thing if we had room to expand, so there would be more land for people, thing is we cannot travel to other planets yet.

Atheism is degeneracy

Because there is no reason for money when machines steals your jobs, and if nobody has money to pay for products, then markets will shut down.

It would lead to economic collapse of the capitalist system.

>Is basic income an inevitable future with automatization going on at an alarming rate?
It's communism.

Fucks sake, Germany.

What happened to you?

The price of labour can drop below subsistence. Especially without redistribution of land rents.

Good land will always hold value, a days worth of uneducated labour will one day not hold enough value to keep a human alive. Especially not alive at first world standards of living and medical care.

thats why i say fuck them, we take over the means of productions with technology like that anyone can be self sustainable without having to be dependent on these fucks

I can print my own home
I can have energy from solar and wind energy
I can print my car
Print my furniture
and deal with these cuck boy corporations
Self sustaining technology is the dream

>Those governments will quickly collapse then, nobody is going to accept being left to die in a ditch.

The autonomous military robots won't care if you're a civilian when theyre ordered to clear the streets

Nope. People will just get paid to do jobs that probably have not been created yet. Basic income will make humanity weak.

What market? What capitalism? Its all automated you flesh bag.

You can't drive society forward while intelligence is regressing. A democratic society with a majority of sub 100 IQ Arab will end up like any other majority Arab country, a shithole.

sweetliberty.org/issues/wars/witness2history/3.html

> By 1922, the Bolshevik influence on Russia and indeed the world, by what Churchill had describes as, 'this same astounding race' was almost complete. Many saw events as being the first stage of an international plot, mainly by those of Jewish race, to seize world control. By explanation or defence of these phenomena some will suggest that Jews, intellectually inclined towards all forms of social change, peaceful and otherwise, should naturally find themselves disproportionately represented in such an upheaval.

> Be that as it may, the facts are clear and although often hidden from Gentile eyes, are never disputed. On the contrary, many of the world's most highly placed and influential Jews have openly boasted of their responsibility for communism; even its crimes.

>automatization
>alarming

It's glorious.

Except you can't do any of those things, because the kikes ruling your country already own it and everything in it, including you. They can do whatever they want with you and your only option will be to try and physically resist them in some way, which, if automatization actually does happen, will mean you will have to fight machine enforcers that will have no problem riddling you with as many holes as its masters wish it to.

Poor people have $10, middle class have $100, rich have $1000. A Gallon of milk is $3 because of the value of the dollar and what people can afford.
Add basic income, poor people have $50, mjddle class have $100, rich have $1000. Gallon of milk is now $8 because the value of the dollar goes down as the average amount of money goes up.

>Basic income will make humanity weak.

Basic income makes sure people will follow their true passions instead of working a meaningless 9 to 5 just to make ends meet. It's not only good for humanity, it's necessary.

Please no.

Not the Jew-bots

>the I can print anything meme

3D printers are are for prototyping models and nothing more. There is absolutely no foreseeable change in the way this works either.

Automation in the work place will fuck the middle class over. It will not bring you, personally, any more freedom. Beware user, I hope you have a specialized job you're very good at.

yes, or someting like it. But even that wont work. Imagine if there were 150,000,000 million unemployed men in the US in 50 years. Even sitting at home, collecting a check, that many restless people would get up to no go very fast.
If people become useless, society will collapse. UBI might slow it down, but there's no way around it.

Its only glorious if it done all the way and not in some half-assed manner

For one thing, you're putting WAY too much faith into the current state of technology. It will be decades before even 50% of human jobs become automated. Here's why:

1. Nobody knows how to program anymore. Robots will be glitchy pieces of shit programmed by Chinks and Pajeets that will constantly crash, fuck up, and possibly explode (*cough* Samsung *cough*).

The "well designed" machines made in 1st world countries will be massively fucking expensive to purchase & maintain for at least a few decades.

2. Because of point #1, the first jobs for the unemployed will be "robot herders". These people will be paid to watch the robots, report issues, replace batteries, etc.

The tech industry will explode again like during the dot com era. We will need programmers, machinists, IT support, engineers, etc.

3. Robots are efficient and can produce goods faster than humans. High supply will mean that prices of goods will DROP. Especially if money becomes more scarce, businesses will have to undercut each other to stay afloat.

4. There are a lot of jobs that are VERY hard to be replaced by machines. Therapists, musicians, doctors, caretakers, lawyers, etc. Things that humans would only trust other humans with.

5. Self-aware AI that can learn things on it's own is still decades away from being feasible.

World War it is. The political and public will for colonization does not and will not ever exist. Even assuming it's possible no one wants to do it.

Also overpopulation is a meme, stop perpetuating this bullshit pseudoscience.

your migrants are already living on it,
sorry white German, no basic income for you

This

>their true passions
Their true passions will be to do what is easy which is just indulge in their hobbies. Humanity will never progress with basic income.

I don't understand anything: the post

Why would I, as a business man, fill a factory full of robots, to make something for nobody to buy?

You understand that firms exist for profit right?

This.

We need a religion with eugenics built into it.

Overpopulation is a weapon, ME and African overpopulation has been stimulated to attack Europe.

Without foreign aid those populations can't survive.

this is not how inflation works, bro.

Studying to be a rapid prototype specilaist

but the chinese are already printing houses

When i start my construction company eventually my goal is just to do it for people for free

I want to advance humanity with technology
We can shape the future

>Their true passions will be to do what is easy which is just indulge in their hobbies

What the fuck is wrong with that?
Do you really think people should be slaves?

Fuck progress if it means that the majority of people will be unhappy because of it.

>automatization
>alarming

>It's glorious.

Said the horse which global population peaked in 1914 and today can rarely be seen anywhere unless specifically sought out. Major concentrations include glue factories and romanian and french beef butcheries

>FULLY
>AUTOMATED
>LUXURY
>GAY
>COMMUNISM

My solution is to buy land

I think that all the death will happen in urban centers

Canadians are fucking assholes. They're like squirrels, except it'll fuck up your car if you hit one.

>basic income
in case automation does take over (it won't in the immediate future) let's rethink money instead otherwise it's nothing but an inflationary bullshit move to take away what's left of the working man's purchasing power

lol that pic

>true passion
Marxist or naive little girl? Not every passion is of benefit to society, so why should every passion be expected to be rewarded equally?

Answer me with a strong argument and I'll tear up the university degree I paid 32k for, because clearly choosing STEM in anticipation for automation was the wrong path.

I believe being able to do what I'm best at and being given incentives to remind me I'm good at it will make me happy.

I believe being denied this out of their weakness of resentment is making me unhappy.

>There are a lot of jobs that are VERY hard to be replaced by machines.

>doctors
General Practitioners are ALREADY on the way to being replaced by an AI called Watson that can cross-reference tens of thousands of documents a second to give a diagnosis based off someone's symptoms.
>lawyers
A large part of the work lawyers do is ALREADY automated by AI, which is to say sorting through piles and piles of paperwork to find discrepancies and evidence.
In fact a lot of lawyer work besides criminal trials can be automated such as drafting legal documents ect.

Also they already have a robot that randomly generates new music and can be given parameters to generate based off of. So that's robots too.

You're putting too LITTLE faith in it, Luddite.

Listen pol

I'm not trying to shill or in any way convince you here

But just here me out on this

Have you thought of converting to judea? Filthy goyim will never be true jew but you can be close!

What if I pretend to be one? It's not like anyone is going to check. I just say I lost my papers and I can pretend I am from Somalia.

Not in an automated society they don't. Let me explain so that you try to see it from my point because you guys are having a hard time with this.

Labor is automated in every stage
People do not work
Machines produce for human consumption
The only resource allocation is the resources that machines use
There is no capitalism, communism, socialism
There is no need for income
All needs are satisfied

Did that help?

#NotAllLeafs

This. Ignoramuses can't understand the difference between money and value

>Automation in the work place will fuck the middle class over.
kek i work with new tax software, which was made with 70% automatisation in mind. It barely even works. Funniest thing is that they wanted to reduce staff with this shit, but now it turns out that allmost everything now requares at least two people and infinite amount of mindless buttonpushing.
On the other hand i see fastfood installing electronic cashiers everywhere.

It's Genocide/Feudalism/etc.

Basically, there will be no more way to throw the rich, who own the means of production and robotic "law" enforcement machines, off of their thrones. They'll be the ones providing all of the food and shelter.
And you have nothing to give them, because there is no work that a machine couldn't do better.
Unless you suit the fetishes of the rich person or are part of their social circle or something.

The future will be very ugly.

I think that dog has autism. Also nice digits.

I think self aware computers are very close

My uncle works for some computing company here in Silicon Valley and he always talks about how close quantum computing is

And I think self awareness follows soon after

No. In the future globalist paradigmn, those who aren't necessary will simply be eliminated.

>invisible hand meme

Unless you build a completely self sustaining stealthed underground bunker with no address or location references in any database the flying death robot armies will sniff you out

>literally a healthy baby deer
>too thin for amerifat

because machines creating machines is still far-fetched science fiction.
Which means that you still need humans to devellop new machines.
And im not even talking about the amount of humans needed to simply maintain the machines.

Mechanization of the logging industry in Cranbrook, BC, eliminated hundreds of jobs overnight. When they can automate those machines, you will probably have three people in camp at any given time.

The people put out of work received no compensation, lost their pension and have been offered no retraining.

They're simply left to find jobs in the handful of mines and mills, which are being automated or just shutting down.

Weedman doesn't talk about it. You will simply be out of a job and you'll have to find your way on your own.

You may not like unions, but they're the only way to have a fighting chance to not being kicked onto the street

>no more welfare for everyone
I think at that point there'll be a full on revolution and attempt to overthrow the government. Maybe that would be enough to awaken the sheep

>no need for income
What you have there is communist utopia. Would be awesome. But I dont see people just all holding hands getting along with one another if no one has anything to do. Even if everyones belly is full, there would be a whole lot of idle hands

...

WHY THE FUCK WOULD LET YOURSELF GET KEKED LIKE THAT

FUCK THAT WE HAVE TO FIGHT

THATS THE KIND OF FUTURE YOU WANT FOR YOUR CHILDREN?

FUCK THAT SHIT

THIS
>you are being watched and recorded since childhood, Go revolt kiddo.

I have thought about that, but I see some flaws in Judaism, and I think that I with the help of the people j have already recruited are on our way to creating a religion that more efficiently makes the masterrace and will overtake the Jews

I think that Judaism itself is what made the Jews how they are. Which led me to think that it's the systems it had in place. And we'll, I can see ways which to improve those systems.

In my opinion, you could have given the Talmud to Tibet 3,000 years ago and THEY would currently rule the world.

>Metropolitan societies sell their freedom to gov't in exchange for lifelong NEETbux
>people devolve into animals whose only function is to consume in increasingly restricted circumstances until they're more or less living in a box and shooting up heroin for a lifestyle
>meanwhile rural populations get to continue as usual with even less interference from urban politics

Fine by me. It's a big world, and if you don't like the way things are run here, move somewhere else.

we will being to trade in rare deers

>doctors
You still need a human there to INPUT the data into Watson. I sure as hell wouldn't want a robot to just scan me for 3 seconds and then spit out "CANCER" as my diagnosis and roll away. People will still want a human to double-check a robots' work.

>lawyers
Robots cannot solve legal cases or act as a prosecution/defense attorney. Robots are not capable of high-level, abstract thinking.

>music
People still want music made by humans. Even if the robot-music sounds the same as human-made music, people will still want to go to concerts. I can't imagine a crowd of people going to a concert that is just an iPhone 14 plugged into a set of speakers.

Also
>that flag

>Not every passion is of benefit to society

Then we should change society, or get rid of it altogether. Society should benefit everyone, not just a selected few.

>so why should every passion be expected to be rewarded equally?
Following your passion is the reward.

And the fact that you had to pay 32k for a degree is proof enough that society isn't working in your favor.

>I believe being able to do what I'm best at and being given incentives to remind me I'm good at it will make me happy.
Just like a dog feels happy when his master pets him on the head.

You're not thinking far enough into the future friend. I dont think anyone beleives this will happen next week. This is a few decades down the line, but maybe still in our lifetime

>It barely even works
that's because the customer aka gov't can't plan for shit, the contractor don't care if they meet the bare minimum, they want dat taxpayer money and """maintenance""" for the forseeable future
however, there are many of successes in that domain, it cuts the bullshit back office immensely and allows the users(=companies and individuals) much better access point to their data

Without a doubt, I don't think we will ever see anything like that although it would be nice. We could work our way there but the problem is the rest of the world. There are still vast swathes of the world that have only just grasped the concepts of the agricultural revolution let alone anything else.

But my questions come from a philosophical view post-human labor era. I ask in terms of if it happened already. I don't see money even being a factor in society where labor is 0. I see the Luddites are having a hard time with the concept and think I am attacking capitalism.

>Then we should change society
How self centered, if things don't work for you everything must change. Don't you dare presume how things aught to be, you are too immature.

>And the fact that you had to pay 32k for a degree is proof enough that society isn't working in your favor.
Yeah, it's clearly not.

>Just like a dog feels happy when his master pets him on the head.
This is how I know you've never loved or been loved.

See that's where I think you're wrong.

I don't think it would be smart to kill everyone. I think it would be smart to kill all the urbanites. There's no point in killing everyone, first of all, and second you lose the ability to have a sufficient pool of genetics to draw from.

But also yea, I actually am going to have an underground bunker with the roof covered in a giant sheet of lead so it can't be X rayed

Get rekt urbanites

Is it a cow? Is it a deer? Is it a DEERCOW!?

Kind of, unless you want people to do volunteer work for the few remaining human jobs and entertainment. I can see more philosophers, artists, musicians, fitness buffs, sports, and writing happening.

This is sadly in the foreseeable future.

On the other hand, this is what we have done to cattle.

So why is it so hard to fathom.

>There's no point in killing everyone

Yes there is.

>Men should either be treated generously or destroyed, because they take revenge for slight injures - for heavy ones they cannot.
- Niccoló Machiavelli

cuck

And to all you Trump cucks....
Free trade isnt killing American manufacturing, its the automation labor revolution already in progress that is blowing the fuck out of the middle class. See pic related. US manufacturing is alive and well, its just increasingly automated.
Yes, some jobs get sent overseas. Its a symptom of the same problem - it is too expensive to employ US workers to do labor intensive manufacturing. Or, more accurately, the standard of living (and therefore the wages) is so much higher than in other countries (and the other countries wages are so much lower than in the US), that US manufacturing cant compete unless it is automated.
And tarriffs wont bring back jobs. It may bring some manufacturing back on shore, but whatever comes back you better beleieve it will be highly automated and employ not enough workers to come remotely close to justifing the costs of a trade war and the higher prices all US consumers will have to pay because of it.
Trump btfo

Worst case, you will have a bunch of noble houses that divide the world among themselves, live their post-scarcity utopian wet dreams and cause humanity to stagnate for eternity.

It would explain why we never meet any aliens, as this situation is very likely to happen if technological advancement goes wrong.

>if things don't work for you everything must change.

I know more people who are fed up with society than people who are happy with it. If you ask literally any person on the street if they would quit their jobs if they won the lottery, I can guarantee you 99% of them will answer with a resounding 'of course'', the remaining 1% are already following their passions.

>This is how I know you've never loved or been loved.
I love you, bro. If I didn't have love for anyone I wouldn't be posting this.

>Society should benefit everyone, not just a selected few.

>Rearrange society so faggots can throw paint at a canvas until they die

Pick one you godless socialist.

>basic income

>inevitable

Back to plebbit

forgot pic related

Yes

I meant it's not beneficial or pragmatic for them to do that

Your Machiavelli quote needs context: he was talking about people of a group that they identify

When governments kill people, they (typically) make sure to define those people as outside of your group to prevent that very thing. Black lives matter is an example of associating the ones they kill with a group, in order to purposefully instigate.

What you are implying is that if I live on a private island or some such place, that I would feel personal injury upon finding out that hundreds of thousands of urbanites have wasted away.

Which is what it would actually be.

They wouldn't kill anyone.

They would just make it 'you can live completely worry free on basic income and X and y, but you have to get sterilized

I have to agree with that user on the question. What is the point of killing everyone as an elite if there is no one around to recognize you as an elite? People do things for resources and validation, basically for food and feels, so it makes no sense to take everyone out. Not to mention more hands makes light work, if you kill everyone your life just got harder.

An artist is more in touch with God than a slave of society.

Yea but on the other hand, these wealthy people want to have a sufficient pool of humanity to be able to have enough scientists and such.

I don't think they would do that. I'm sure some want to, but there would be a revolution within the wealthy.

>govts will let people die in the streets
Lolno, that isn't good for the country or the economy. Machines churning out goods and services aren't valuable if most of your customers are dead. Not to mention millions of people won't just peacefully starve to death.

>You still need a human there to INPUT the data into Watson. I sure as hell wouldn't want a robot to just scan me for 3 seconds and then spit out "CANCER" as my diagnosis and roll away.
Nigga what?
You tell the AI what your symptoms are. If needed, robots can already copy actions they have been shown how do to by humans so it can even take data itself if it has to. And it gives back the three most likely diagnoses.
At the very least you're probably looking at half of the General Practitioner's being shit out of luck when it comes to jobs.

And don't even get me STARTED on how boned pharmacists are.

>>that flag
"Haha I almost had to formulate an argument but you're australian guess I win this one"
kys

>What is the point of killing everyone as an elite
because the people are at your gates with guns in their hands demanding you send them free cheques every month

they wouldn't kill everyone, there'd still be a lower class of people performing maintenance on the machines and developing new ones

So we dont live on a finite planet?

>revolution within the wealthy.
That is something that will be a check in the balance of power. Wealthy people tend to fuck with each other for various reason and have always attacked each other. It has happened in almost every major society.

I'm all for Universal basic income only if the penalty for having a child is immediate repayment of all dispersed funds plus interest or imprisonment in work camps.

That's why you're supposed to learn a skilled trade in high school but we stopped doing that thirty years ago.

He's right you know.
Trump btfo

>if there is no one around to recognize you as an elite?

There are, the ones they have personally selected to save

No, robots will not replace surgeons, for the simple fact that there would be nobody to sue if they fuck up.

this

Do you know why I'm fed up? I don't feel fairly treated. This has nothing to do with capitalism, the free market, the current system, whatever.

Please don't blame the wrong things. That's my only point in this thread, you're looking for a target or some solution but everything is built off of a false assumption. They broke something and then they blamed the very thing they broke, you fell for it and suddenly capitalism is evil.

The people must be held responsible. Nothing else.

>I love you
Ik ook van jou.

The world cant consist of just surgons

So you're telling me that if everyone has more money , its value doesn't go down

When robots can operate with more success than human surgeons, they will absolutely replace human surgeons

What if it is a white child?

>new jobs
Automation won't bring in nearly as many new jobs as are eliminated. It will basically look like laying off 10 operators, drivers, laborers and hiring 1 engineer, 1 technician, and 1 programmer. There are no "new jobs" for the other 7 guys in this scenario regardless of their skillsets. The economy can't support all of those people suddenly just becoming doctors, lawyers, and engineers even if they could afford the schooling and were smart enough to do it.

jesus christ

That's what I was saying, it is very unlikely that whomever rich person would genocide the entire human race in order to live on the planet with their 500,000,000 friends. Because there wouldn't be enough human capital for advancements, and there is foreseeable dangers that would have to be met using human capital.

What is more likely is that there is a huge culling through sterilization. Hopefully the positive eugenicists win that fight, and the culling is of low IQ people. There are 2 schools of thought in this style of eugenics. Cull the average and below average IQ, or full the middle range, so that the above average becomes its own distinct species from the low IQ slave race

>Too much money, too few goods
>Too little money, too many good
>Too little money, to few goods
>Too much money, too many goods

The principle is the money has to chase goods in order for that to happen.

I didn't say surgeons burger. I don't know if you even know what a GP is but in countries with actually decent healthcare, they're the people you can go see about minor issues like a strange lump you wanted checked or to get a prescription for something minor.

"A physician whose practice is not oriented to a specific medical specialty but instead covers a variety of medical problems in patients of all ages. Also called family doctor."

I said nothing about surgeons, I said GP's are in danger of losing their jobs.

Yes

Tyranny is inevitable. Get ready for misery the likes of which have never been seen and you can't even begin to imagine.

Not even joking.

its really a shame. automation should really be an enormous windfall for humanity...but its almost a certainly that the increased standard of living that automation will give us will not be shared.

I think we already have something like that. I noticed Blacks and Muslims tend to have lower IQs and use slavery much more often than higher IQ whites and some asians. Blacks use slavery a lot because they see it as a way to live without having to do any other labor. Then there is the issue of high IQ slavery that happens in places like China were people are smart but they are willing slaves to their society

Ok, but there is bias. Robots will have to operate consistently and to a large margins more efficiently than surgeons. Not just 1% more efficiently. And every field of surgery will be different. First it will be surgery that is rather routine, last it will be complex surgery.

It won't happen all at once, it will happen over a very long time. And you say efficiently in terms of surgery success, but it also has to take in efficiency in terms of opportunity cost

ok, so robots wont replace surgeons in 30 years, more like 40 years. Still, its inevitable

>This has nothing to do with capitalism, the free market, the current system, whatever.

Are you sure? I'm all for focusing on what you can change instead of playing the victim of society or any other arbitrary thing, I just think we're doing something very wrong if the majority of us are unhappy with our lives. Maybe I'm naive for thinking a society could work if all of us simply lived for our hobbies and passions, but I guess I'm just a dreamer then.

I think that's what's wrong with society, people stopped dreaming.

>Ik ook van jou.

Yea that's a precedent for it.

But in all honesty; the elite want to become their own species.

I don't think they want smart non elites, but they ar going to have to create an environment where they can have enough smart people that are willing to create and invent new things and they don't mix with the dummies.

Also we have to think in terms of factionary dispute. The west where 90% of people are killed would most definitely be conquered by China no matter how many machines we have, China would simply be able to out pace our production of said machines

Was waiting for some leaf to say this shit. I actually have to agree that deers are fucking filthy. I know people whose family members have died because some retard deer didn't move out the fucking way.

They said the same about Globalism. They told us we would get more innovation and lower prices. Instead what we got was a generational loss of jobs and a race to the bottom with both the 1st world and the 3rd world losing.

see

No, it's not inevitable.

That's the problem with you trans humans cucks.

It's NOT inevitable. Yet you act as if it is.

40 years ago it was inevitable we would have flying cars in the year 2000 with the rest of the jet sons.

You simply don't understand how little the demand is there to replace all surgeons with robots, despite how much you wish it were to make your argument

>they
>fuck up
>YOUR car
>when YOU hit them

Marx was wrong about the implications of automation. A basic income will be only a transitional phase until the upper classes can reduce the human population via birth control, social engineering, and flat out genocide.

Automation will reduce the human population to tiny numbers over several centuries. Eventually, we will live in a world where AI has conquered us in a bloodless, gentle, revolution. The richest humans in 200 years will be thankful that an AI replaced their faulty human neurosurgeon with a much more talented AI analog. They will bond so strongly with their robotic companions that they will choose to forgo human children in favor of robots of god-like compassion, intelligence, and wisdom. And so, humanity will end with a whimper, not a bang.

I can understand being genetically different and physically superior and calling yourself elite but money alone doesn't do anything to you. These people are delusional if they think their money has somehow changed their genetic information. If they lose their money then their status goes away

>Here, we'll pay all of you this wage. You do this work while living out your existance. It's totally not the new form of slavery.

>40 years ago it was inevitable we would have flying cars in the year 2000 with the rest of the jet sons.
Only on Holiwood, lol.

>You simply don't understand how little the demand is there to replace all surgeons with robots
Robots will be able to do a much better job.

Nice quads, Jürgen.

what are you even trying to say

>omg, there's going to be so much stuff
>SO MUCH STUFF
>that people will die
Literally apocalyptical marxism.
Oh, man, I sure wish some hero came with genocide and mass destruction to save us from an overabundance of things that make us happy.

There will never be basic income, you will just starve to death.

See Or perhaps the people became too complacent just dreaming about passions?

The requirements of flight make it inherently expensive and impractical to have manned flight. Keeping propellers/turbines in top shape and dealing with air traffic control of millions of planes is impractical for people just doing regional travel.

But guess what?
We WILL have flying supply vehicles: Amazon drones.
We really are getting to the point where cars are going to be automated.

we'll have flying cars soon enough user.

I am not arguing it will happen in 20 years or 40 years or whatever. I am arguing that it will happen.

And yes, there will be demand for robotic surgeons when they outperform human surgeons. Just like every other medical advance in the history of humanity - once its clear that there is a more effective solution, it will be widely adopted.

Maybe.

Today, basic income exists for voting cattle.

When the elite no longer have a need for their voting cattle, the cattle will be left to provide for themselves.

Economists have been saying that we need basic income (or negative income tax) for decades. It's absolutely inevitable, but I don't think it's going to happen as soon as people think. 50 years probably.

No you Luddite, it actually IS innevitable at this point.
In the past expectations of robotics were so high because the first thing computers were good at was intense maths, something only very few very smart people could do. This lead to an overestimation of how intelligent computers were.

Now in the modern age though we've come to better solutions on describing/teaching machines how to understand abstract concepts that in the past were almost impossible.

Go back 20 years and try to teach a computer how to identify the letter "A" in a photo with almost 100% accuracy. You fucking couldn't using the methods being tried then.
Nowdays that's actually possible because you can give a computer enough EXAMPLES that it will figure out it's own rule for what makes an "A".

Basically comparing robotics in the past to robotics now is apples and oranges. They use totally different programming methods.

If a surgery had a 50% success rate when performed by a human and a 65% success rate when performed by a robot, no hospital would hire the human.

Not really, everyone believed that man.

Hell, when I was a kid I was led to believe we'd be exploring other planets by 2050. Instead we will all be slaves to niggers and jews

yes.

unless some kind of catastrophe (like war) resets the current global economic trend.

>We really are getting to the point where cars are going to be automated.
They already are. Automated cars exist and work perfectly in all testing done. They even drove one down the fucking American coast from one city to another. The only thing I'd say it needs now is for it to figure out when to stop for gas.

5 years MAX and self-driving cars will be on the roads.

Butlerian jihad when?
(to post this I had to prove I was not a robot by providing info to a learning algorithm to replace human vision)

basically what the first response you got said, only if they let us use land.....which I highly doubt those greedy Jews will do for free (or cheap). Therin lies the enigma. How do you feed yourself if you have no way of making jewbux and cant get jewland ?

Why need income? Why not just give out basic food and put people in large and compact 'housing complexes' with heavy policing for more efficient population control.

>Hell, when I was a kid I was led to believe we'd be exploring other planets by 2050. Instead we will all be slaves to niggers and jews
That says nothing about the rate at which technology is progressing and EVERYTHING about how (((they))) are interfering with it.

Robots will not do a better job than surgeons before other problems will happen.

There will be other problems that prevent this Robo world you guys masterbate too. It simply doesn't make sense.

no . basic income while possible wont be done since old geezers want to pretend they are willing to fight a war but they still dont have the stomach for war

and governments need to spend the money on weapons they wont use like f35s

apparently no one has the balls to swallow this red pill. I'm out. Fuck you Cred Forums

>Not really, everyone believed that man.
Everyone believed that world war 1 would last only a few days. Everyone believed that WW1 would the the last war in the world, the "war to end all wars".

Common sense is pretty much wrong all the times.
edgy

I hate a welfare society more than anything, but with automation growing exponentially, AND prices growing exponentially something doesn't add up. The human population has always been increasing. There are less and less jobs every day due to automation, and yet somehow they price of everything just goes up.
The owners of companies are keeping these profits that otherwise would have gone to their former employees.

It only makes sense for a basic income to be part of our society.

No, you sci fi writer

You think people think that way?

People won't want a robot doing brain surgery on their dad. If the people who pay for the service don't want the service, then the hospital won't provide it.

ONCE AGAIN
>everyone in this thread assuming that technology will always advance in the same exact way

I could argue that 40 years from now there is absolutely no need for anything you are whining about. Because humans will all have their minds uploaded to quantum land. Where you constantly have infinite pleasure and happiness.

You have no fucking idea what the future holds, luddite

>Robots will not do a better job than surgeons before other problems will happen.
What are you trying to say? Robotics is moving at a fantastic rate. Human hands have limitations that can't be overcomed. Robots will not have this limitations.

>There will be other problems that prevent this Robo world you guys masterbate too.
Yes, and they will be overcomed.

> It simply doesn't make sense.
Just because you are too stupid to understand it, doesn't mean its a lie

>I'm against welfare
>Protectionism and opposition to third world immigration are anything but welfare programs
lel

Yet you'd like to believe that it's just going to let up and you are going to be granted access to these technology's.

>luddite's brain is hurting to he uses the term against me
Alright, show's over, I think I fried his primative google brain.

>People won't want a robot doing brain surgery on their dad. If the people who pay for the service don't want the service, then the hospital won't provide it.
Nope. Insurance actuaries determine what procedures you get. If the probability of a human surgeon mistake is higher than that of a robot, the robot will do the surgery.

>Or perhaps the people became too complacent just dreaming about passions?

Definitely. It's quite sad. Pic kinda related.

>People won't want a robot doing brain surgery on their dad.
I want the one who can give me better assurances of not fucking up my father surgery

But Venezuelas entire problem is that the government totally disincentivized production so they have none.

Arguing with this guy is like arguing with a guy in 1944 who thought that nuclear weapons wouldn't change the face of diplomacy and war.
>Nuclear bombs are impossible
>Even if a country had a nuclear bomb, everyone would know where it was so it'd get destroyed immediately
>Even if nukes can be made, there will still be large conventional wars between nations.

Assuming nothing is done about this, what we will see in the future is Communism, but only for the rich or intellectual elite. They will transcend and become like gods, everyone else will live like peasants again, farming the land and not having any real interaction with technology. Maybe after a long enough time the peasants will start believing the descendants of the transcendent class actually are gods and reinvent pre-Christian religions, and the rich will go along with it for the ego boost. People who live in the cities and work on science or whatever will be the equivalent of wizards.

But don't worry, everyone will be white and you will have a role in the hierarchy.

I'm saying that your fantasy is not only not inevitable, it's not likely.

Your autistic brain can't grasp this, but there's actually more than one factor in this. It's not just speed which robots advance= when we will have robots that do what I want

In one post you sci fi enthusiasts argue humans are no longer needed and will be replaced

In the next you argue that billions of dollars and ever more precious resources will be dedicated to replacing every surgeon on earth

You are simply took ensconced in your idealism to see the flaws

and what's funny is you all have your own vastly different scenario, and all of these scenarios are inevitable ;)

wtf are you even trying to say

>I read wired magazine so I'm smart

Typical trendy faggot

You're every Asian on every college campus on earth

He's implying that you're car is fucking up the deer, and the car being damaged is irrelevant

great bread u guise

No basic income is a terrible idea because even millionaires and billionaires and people who dont need it receive their "basic income" check in the mail

You need a NEGATIVE INCOME TAX that taxes the rich and gives a base income to all poor people only

Please learn to differentiate the two.

Its very important.

Protecionism and opposition to immigration is welfare to our underclass.

Have you ever eaten deer before? Fucking delicious

Wow big words from someone who believes that he should sit around and do nothing while the inevitable tide of other people's inventions carried him to the sci fi promised land

no

>Automation in the work place will fuck the middle class over

nah, i'm getting paid to make it happen.

get into the meme STEM field if you dont want to die.

I started teaching myself development 8 years ago, now i'm making 100K a year fucking over your future of a job

(working on kiosks for certain... fast food chains)

No, just depopulation and exploitation.

Exactly what I said in the post. Protectionist policies and opposition to third-world immigration are welfare programs.

Remember, welfare is a transfer from rich to poor. The capitalist class would happily outsource as much production as possible to the third world or import as many third world immigrants as possible to do jobs for wages that, while unacceptably low to first-worlders, are good for a third-worlder from India or whatever. Obviously, Americans aren't going to accept $3 an hour, so they go to the state and demand tariffs to prevent outsourcing. Instead of paying a worker in India $1000 a year, they're paying a worker in the US $70k a year, or whatever, because government intervention is effectively forcing them to. How is this different than the government taking their money and giving it directly to the same Americans?

Robots will be doing most of those as well. The only thing that won't be automated in the next few decades is decision making.

Its not. 8balls and repfugees should not be permitted to enter a higher society unless they can prove themselves productive members of society with at the very least an average iq matching the area they are moving too.

Basic income is a joke.

>hey all the jobs are gone
>no worries, I'm sure the government will just give us free money
>after all they're so currently benevolent

It will be like the recession but ten times worse. One job for every ten people, you better have friends or family to leech off of if you're not one of those.

On the other hand if you are in the top 10% of society, you're set. Gonna feel pretty good man. I hope to have significant assets stockpiled by then, diversified. The rest of you peons will be my slaves.

Exactly. For the unskilled the response will be, "now get the fuck out of my office."

We're gonna see prostitution, crime, and international crime rings becoming more common. There's gonna be heavy black markets and people selling their children for sex. People will scavenge, people will eat rats and dogs and dig through trash. So pretty much India but globally.

Again, you all have different scenarios that are incompatible, yet they are all inevitable in your opinions.

>go somewhere else and get a new job
I'm not talking about automating one factory or farm you fucking knob. Nobody ITT is. When they automate ALL of the unskilled and alot of the skilled positions everywhere, there aren't jobs in the next town either, just thousands more unemployed workers. The goal of automation is "dark factories" where there are no lights on the shop floor because there are no people. We are talking about eliminating almost all of the positions in retail, food service, manufacturing, mining, oil/gas, and logging.

God damn I cannot wait. We have a few decades to prepare, but for the average paycheck-to-paycheck live'r or the retire at 65 crowd, they are fucked beyond belief. Personally I have numerous survival skills in addition to /biz/ knowledge, I'm gonna be a fucking Duke in the new rule. I can't wait to see lawlessness reign. Murder in the streets, crime everywhere, all the normies getting FUCKED. It will be beautiful. It will be what normies deserve. Me, I'll have made and executed my plans, I'll be golden. All the lemmings will be fighting each other for a biscuit.

Checked

>I can see the future
Literally every crook and con man ever says this

>I can discard the generally understood definitions of words and concepts because the world is whatever I say it is
Just kill yourself already.

>Knows multiple people who have been killed by colliding with deers

Americans, everyone

But with no jobs it doesn't matter how low the cost of the goods are because you can't buy them because you have no money. If almost nobody can buy anything because they have no money then the producer is still hosed.

The autonomous military robots will be ambushed, deactivated and reprogrammed to go after squishy targets inside glass towers.

The economy cannot support all of the retail, food service, factory workers, truck drivers etc... all becoming doctors, lawyers, and engineers.

What the fuck are you talking about?

How is
>government, please tax the rich people and give me money
substantially different from
>government, please make the rich people give me a higher salary by protecting me from foreign competition and forcing them to pay me a higher wage

See Everything that needs to be said has been said and it's 420am here.

I clearly haven't solved the "i have no money" problem either.

those fuckers can jump out of nowhere

This

Also hundreds of hungry mobs roaming the streets looking to burn down any automated factories; vandalise and steal from driver-less cars and trucks; sodomise, torture and hang rich folk; salvage robots for scrap.

>so those of us who work can pay even more gibs for niggers

Sounds great.

The post you referenced doesn't at all address the fact that you can't actually just pack up and go somewhere else because the same thing is happening everywhere else and there is no frontier anymore.

I see what you re saying now, but its just not the same. Its like not letting someone else play poker with you when you know they half half of another deck in their pocket and will pull out whatever card they happen to need.

They want to run an "american" company, in America, on American soil, with American supplies or foreign supplies that were transported to them via an American trucking/train/shipping company, and use American utilities to make this stuff, probably with the end goal to be selling to American people, they shouldn't be allowed to cut everyone else loose.
They also shouldn't be allowed to take from the country until they have some of the money, and then just move over seas, and if they do, they shouldn't expect to just keep getting American money.

Globalists glorify this and its bad for everyone. The americans I mentioned above and the people the in the third world they move too. There was one globalist that glorified nikes moving to the third world and paying 3 cents more than their local factories. The villagers were ecstatic and envious of these nike jobs because to them 3 cents is a huge improvement.
But while they abandon their local jobs, and make our shoes (which still cost the same to us), they have abandon their own society. Instead of having the motivation to build up their own nation, they have been conned into being content with their current state of being and will never improve.
The author I am talking about even gave the example of how "then can ride their bikes to work, and after 7-10 they can save up enough money to get a scooter and then they can ride the scooter to work". Its pathetic. Keep in mind that a 3rd world scooter would look closer to this and not like the shiny new shit we see.

I would type more about how they want to get away from the american epa (pollution in china is eventually going to be a problem here, pacific garbage island(look it up) and so on) but I have to go.

They won't launch the operation before they have enough robots to kill everyone a few times over, disable bluetooth and wlan and hit the priority lists first

You're shit, Wayne. You will always be shit.

You do realize that it is nearly impossible for services to be automated? the social reasons alone would make it a bad idea to use robots, at least until we can make ones that look and talk perfectly like humans.

Even by then, that is in the very least a millennia away.

Until that point, robots are going to be for the most part immobile pieces of factory machinery that will not work well at all in any dynamic situation. You people seem to act like 3d printing doesn't even exist, and it's infinitely more likely that 3d printing will be more widespread, cheaper and useful than the robots.

Pretty much the cause of half of the economic shit all the way back to 1913 has been caused by the government getting their grubby fucking nigglet fingers into everything.

Colleges cost more than a fortune to get into because of government subsidies; the colleges can expect to get ALL of their money, so they can be confident they will just get it no matter how fucking poor the people are. All that matters is that there are more people going to them than any other school.

Butlerian Jihad

Many of the consequences of globalization are basically a disutility to the poor and lower-middle classes in Western countries. I don't actually oppose welfare or anything, but my point is that we should be intellectually honest about what it is.

>Until that point, robots are going to be for the most part immobile pieces of factory machinery that will not work well at all in any dynamic situation. You people seem to act like 3d printing doesn't even exist, and it's infinitely more likely that 3d printing will be more widespread, cheaper and useful than the robots.
You can't 3D print full processors.

>You do realize that it is nearly impossible for services to be automated? the social reasons alone would make it a bad idea to use robots, at least until we can make ones that look and talk perfectly like humans.
Yeah, so the people who own all infrastructure will keep some people as pets.

>In the next you argue that billions of dollars and ever more precious resources will be dedicated to replacing every surgeon on earth
But the super rich do spend money on absurd stuff.

Look, I know this seems hard to believe but just take a step back and take the long view: Just look at Japan's birthrates and lack of immigration. Assuming that the social pressures do not change with automation, you could have a demographic death spiral where the population decreases each generation, and automation increases.

You can also have situations where human expertise is lost forever, not because robots are always better than humans, but because robots are way cheaper and work in 99.9% of cases. That is, in 1/1000 cases a robot surgeon might need an expert human surgeon to fix a problem. But after 30 years of robot surgeons being common, there would be fewer and fewer surgeons to teach new generations of surgeons.

I don't want a transhuman future to happen. We really need to take a hard look at our policies and see if we really want automation in all sectors of our economies. I think it's dangerous to bury our heads in the sand about automation.

>at least a millennia away
I'm guessing about 150 years tops. Do you even understand the exponential pace that technology will move when AI/robots start designing better and better AI/robots?

Because you still need people to fix the machines, to research better technologies, to do certain types of medical operations and so on. Those people will want some type of reward for their work.

>automated killbots
>still using bluetooth

You have forsaken your trips

So much this. But Cred Forums retards are already so invested in the globalism narrative, they will never accept this

Welfare in its current state needs to be abolished.
The idea of basic income needs some refinement, but as Ive said, with the loss of so many jobs, how is a family suppose to exist?
Within a single generation it went from a nuclear family where only the father had to work and his salary paid for everything and then some, to how it is now where both parents are working at least one job each, sometimes they both have two jobs, and somehow they are still loosing the house.
The industrial revolution fucked everything over and now we need a new way to do things. Its either bring the good jobs back to america, or have a basic income in one form or another.

Because you dumb fucking cuck globalism has killed most of the jobs that haven't been automated.

>b-b-but it means your country will be stronger.
That's nice that a few billionaires will become richer but it isn't good for us. And don't think to use the Piss trickle down argument because yacht makers can't employ 200 million people.

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Why are families reliant on jobs to exist?

>The industrial revolution fucked everything over
lel

so automation kills 15 million jobs and globalization eats up 2 million that would get automated soon anyway. The point is that our economy is too advanced, the standard of living is too high compared to other countries - it is just not economically viable to have manufacturing jobs in the US like we once did.

And i dont agree with trickle down either, hasnt seemed to work since the 80s.

I do agree that lower prices from globalization and automation are generally good for everyone. Its just shitty if you wouldve had one of those factory jobs that is no longer viable

I dont have the answer, just agree with that user that trump is barking up the wrong tree

>Why are families reliant on jobs to exist?
theyre not, but with the way our world is, you need money.
Sure, we could lead amish lifestyle but it would come at a cost. childrens' education would suffer because gas costs money, and god help you if you child gets sick. Doctors wont treat patience out of pity.. well very few would anyway.
Even if you took the child to school on a horse or something, they would just get bullied for it.

Even if this was a viable alternative, its just not acceptable to return to a pre-1800's way of life when a relatively modern way of life worked out fine only 60 YEARS AGO

Japan's protectionist trade policies did not make them any less susceptible to loss of manufacturing jobs than the US

That doesn't mean we shouldn't bring as many jobs back as we can. I will concede to you that Trump is is certainly overestimating the amount of jobs he can bring back but you are underestimating what he can do to bring them back.

The future for those that try to foresight it is getting increasingly hard to predict because even on our wildest dreams we couldn't expect the speed at which the advancement is happening.

Worse yet, unforeseen discoveries are throwing a chaotic element on what is possible.

But those jobs are gone user...unless we reduce the standard of living (wages) here in the US. If protectionist policies bring back some manufacturing to the us that was sent off shore, it will be automated and not employ very many people. And we will have to desl with the negative effects of protectionist trade policy, high tarriffs on our exports will destroy other manufacturing jobs. And higher prices on imported goods hurts everyone.

>automatization going on at an alarming rate
Where?

Haven't read the topic but have you guys noticed that basic income only started being mentioned when the Jews and Jew puppets complained about "not enough growth" or "not enough demand"? They only bring it up because of not enough GDP growth. They don't give a fuck if everyone buys cola with their basic income.

Also it's not even innovative. In theory most European countries pretty much have basic income anyway in the form of welfare and social benefits that everyone gets. Not to mention that bloated public sectors and subsidised as fuck university sectors pretty much amounts to free handouts.

I think a lot of this stems from a panic at anti consumerist behaviour. Even many normies don't give a fuck about spending their money on shit. The price of entertainment is down. Facebook, Twitter, YouTube dominate and barely cost anything to people.

Could it be because manufaturers sought other markets? Japan isn't big after all.

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Definitely here in the US. I visited a new bottled water factory last year and was blown away. Everything was automated, it was like a ghost town. Laser guided forklifts.... was weird as fuck. The whole place employed maybe 20 workers where a similar plant 30 years ago would employ 100s

I dont follow you. Japans manufacturing isnt declining, just employment in that sector. Very similar to the US even though they have no nafta type agreements