Are college debate teams even meant to provoke thought?

What's the deal with (((college debate teams))), Cred Forums? They talk to fast to even get their point across, so what's the point?

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>Are college debate teams even meant to provoke thought?
No

Get out

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>They talk to fast to even get their point across, so what's the point?
The point of "modern" (((debating))) is to spew so much information and points out in your time to speak that your opponent cant possibly respond to them all and build on their points.

its exactly what we do here at the chan. we dump our opinions and do not listen to others. and then we feel good about ourselves.

don't bother replying, I already closed the thread.

This isn't debate. It's bullshit.

>that black dude's rap at 3:11 though:

youtu.be/wKpXQIf9exA?t=190

WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK

>American education

Saw that, it's pretty bad.

Reminds of me of those two black girls who were on the news for winning a debate championship, does anyone have that video?

>be in high school
>interested in politics, can debate well in everyday conversation
>take debate class and teacher puts me in debate team
>excited to use my talents and bring pride to our school
>be in public forum debate
>debate association sends topics for each months tournament to all participants month in advance
>due a lot of research, find arguments to support both sides, as is required for pf debate
>arrive at tournament
>first competitors are arrogant brats from some private school in fancy clothes
>i give a good, well-paced speech which includes facts and shit and beginning, middle conclusion structure
>feels confident man
>competitor's turn
>he stands up and speaks at break-neck speed, so fast you can't even tell what he's saying
>just spits out as many stats as possible so fast that moderator probably won't even understand
>opponent wins by being a spaz who can speak 500 words a minute
This happened every debate tournament I ever participated in. After three or four times, I gave up on it because I can't compete with aspiring auction tellers. College and high school debate are a joke.

Hey Shaka Zulu, maybe put that money in your children banks account for education or the future rather than buying a huge golden necklace

It's okay, user. Any sane person views these mouth breathers debate behavior as crazy anyways.

I am redpilled but literally everything that famous universities consider "fulfilling" or "edifying" or "worthwhile" as hobbies are literally just things that blacks and poor people havent started dominating yet

I don't fucking understand. I thought that debate competition has always been about the quality of arguments. This is just reading competition.

>check thumbnail
>it's a black woman

Of course, it's a Youtube Classic.

youtube.com/watch?v=fmO-ziHU_D8

>Ankh necklace

WE

the college debate thing - a fire hydrant stream of gibberish - is truly bizarre. i don't get it, at all.

when did this happen?

why did this happen? how could this happen?

does it have something to do with the difficulty of judging a debate objectively rather than subjectively; with a new "debate" form evolving that can be judged mechanically - without intrusive personal "opinions" - by simply counting the number of "arguments" made?

it's almost as though human being were trying to imitate the rapidity and mindlessness of insta-posting web bots.

>fuck the system

what a great debate

whats even better is the principle or president that put out a youtube video defending it

he didnt allow comments on the video

I think the idea was to come up with a point system to "objectively" decide who had "won" a debate. The points system rewards quantity of arguments presented etc etc. It was a system full of stupid rules and now this is the result.

I think it's pretty fascinating though that on some campuses there are underground debate societies cropping up that are more akin to the old days of smart people arguing and debating potentially controversial topics just for the pure intellectual enjoyment of it.

Like this:

nationalreview.com/article/427713/underground-brown-jay-nordlinger

It's a "technique" called "spreading" - essentially the debater purposefully speaks ridiculously fast to prevent their opponent from refuting their "arguments".

It's absolute shit and I have no idea why it continues to be propagated by shit-tier coaches.

Clearly you don't know spreading, lay, tech, and all the terminology for debate. That's where the real shit gets dank

Sorry you don't know how to spread buddy

Pufo is shit, policy is much better

Policy debate was phenomenal 2000 - 2012 when people talked about hegemony and capitalism. Now every debate is minorities talking about being minorities.

I've been thinking about joining my school's debate team but I'm afraid if I show my political views I'm gonna to be shunned by the students and eventually the professors and Dean are gonna find out and most definitely have a problem with it. I really don't care about the getting shunned by the students part, but I don't want the authority there to think I'm some crazy right wing fuck. I already showed my power level in class once this year and it was horrible nobody came remotely close to agreeing with me and I just looked like a racist dumb ass to the normies. What do

Respect before check

>spazzes to us

>this shit gets propagated by shit-tier coaches.
My coach is shit tier, she refuses to teach spreading, my team practices spreading behind her back, and my school has been placing a lot

You can't exactly cite Stormfront as a source in debates, but it is OK to be for US hegemony, ledership etc.

Idiocracy.

We're nearly there.

wait till you see this: youtube.com/watch?v=j6S5PmdBjuU&index=54&list=WL

This is some real marxist psyop brainwashing shit

so they're competitions of who can drop the most buzzwords in the least amount of time? huh.

College debate teams are no more meant to provoke thought than math competitions are meant to create new proofs. They exist for no other reason than that there is a subset of college students whose entire life has been "do things that look good on your college application" not realizing that it stopped being relevant after high school and really wasn't particularly relevant then. The kind of people who join Mensa and take IQ tests.

Is this really ivy league?
Kek, university is for morons now. Feels good.

>American debate formats

WOAH MAN, WHAT AN INSIGHTUL AND ORIGINAL OBSERVATION!!!

>i can read really fast and regurgitate shit really fast but you cant even understand it

>wasting your life doing this shit instead of learning an instrument or a skill with use

It's the arguments that make the round more insane if you understand: Aff was all rabbis, terrorists and other sand niggers using guns, Neg ran something called the "queer suicide bomber"

How do I get better at debating, besides practice? Are there any books on that?

If it's in the college, or highschool debate sense, then speak as fast as humanly possible. What you're saying doesn't really matter.

But if you mean debate like any other normal person would do, then you need to know the facts, and also know what it is you are arguing for.

Also every resolution and impact can be tied to nuclear war. Shit gets old quick.

this. how can i become a master debater

I mean it in the latter sense, and pointing out fallacies ("not an argument") doesn't exactly work IRL.

I don't believe this.
There's no way you'd join a debate club, not get told how debates are carried out, research your topic, then turn up on debate night, then carry this on 3-4 times before giving up.

Don't buy into all these Jewish debate tactics. They might win you points in a formal debate setting but wont actually make you right. Study history, study politics, study psychological warfare, study your opponent, and BTFO all their BS with actual facts.

this shit is not debate. debate is not saying facts as fast as humanly possible with people only understand 0.02% of wtf you are saying.

shit you can debate in favor of the sun being cold and if you are a good debater and know how the basics of debate works, you can win. debate is not about facts, is about how you swing the mentality of the crowd towards your favor by whatever means possible

>not sticking around for the (you)'s
Looks like you just missed out, buddy

God I remember running a counter argument to nuclear war impact that was nuclear war and human extinction were good. We'd lose 99% of the time with it but it was funny seeing the look on people's faces when they heard it.

Shu-shu-shut up leaf

I remember my friend who goes to Wayne state explaining how he was going to do debate until he realized how stupid it was. They all argue the same liberal points too so it always comes down to the same thing, he mentioned the speedy talking too.

I used to be on my school's debate team in High school, it used to be read quickly, but don't ready too quickly because then no one would understand you. Because PF and Policy were too fast paced for me, I joined student congress which was basically congress. They talked at a reasonable speed and said everything they needed to say in a timely manner.

Essentially debate is degrading into "How many facts can I say before the 4 minutes are up." Student Congress is patrician tier (because it is)

No it's meant to goad thoughtful students into bending the knee to political correctness.

The "jewish debate tactics" matter because people care more about how you convey the message rather than the message's content. Not that talking very fast is a good debate tactic, it seems to be rather the exact opposite here.

>human extinction good

of course you lost, you didn't argue that the extinction of niggers, liberals, autists, sand niggers, mexicans, jews, and other non-whites are good

There is no way that possibly won a single round. I refuse to believe this acceptable.

>college anything
>thought provoking
College is an additional 4 year daycare with a 6 figure price tag

You can say nigger in debates?

The debate teams I remember were so sterile and dull that it was extremely boring. Also in competitions it was just about who makes an argument mistake, not that who has a better point.

Absolutely zero real life value and zero entertainment value. Debates should be everything allowed, words are just a small part, non-verbals, etc play a huge role.

the poem stated that the niggers should revolt against their government, and the judges weren't looking to anarchy

This can't be real.

>>i can read really fast and regurgitate shit really fast but you cant even understand it
>>wasting your life doing this shit instead of learning an instrument or a skill with use

Yeah. It's like they took something that involved learning a useful skill, and turned it into something completely useless, if not degenerate.

Practical idiocracy, or Jewish trick?

This desu.

>tfw I joined one once as a favour to a friend as they were missing a person and I sperged out with semi-edgy bullshit

I still feel kind of embarassed despite not saying anything "beyond the pale" or being entirely incoherent. Maybe because after giving it thought I disagree with the position I originally took, and didn't realise how spergy I was in my delivery.

It won ALL of them.

It is.

does/did anyone's school have a school congress or something like that? what was it like?

That's fucking dumb. You don't win over people in a debate by being fast, the problem is they're thinking purely on the judge and trying to cover as much info as possible. Absolute garbage, and libtards want us to pay for this shit.

I really miss William F Buckley on Firing Line.

Me too, even though his whole political platform was entirely cucked and missed the leftist forest for the communist trees.
You don't get that level of serious debate anywhere on TV anymore.

Plus he called that fat faggot a queer, which was great.

Oh my god I'm so sick of niggers.

Same I suck at public speaking and blurt random words. I'm working on it though.

How was it cucked. The guy was very conservative

What the fuck are they doing? It's like they're trying to cheat by jamming in as many points as possible and lose marks on delivery.

There needs to be a word limit/rate of speech limit to these things.

Debate is one of the strongest way to weed out bullshit and get to the core of truth.

(((they))) don't like truth. Especially not for goys, but nor each other either. See:

vimeo.com/104193227

As well as the entire premise of that movie. If they're wrecking the time honored tradition of debate that's another victory for our glorious overlords.

Because it isn't a debate, no matter what it says. It is basically speed reading and rapping.

This is like an even more retarded version of rap music.

It's a long story but if you look into it Buckley was big into "neoconism" and gave his magazine over to "converted" ex-communist Jews. Even without accepting the "Hitler dindu nuffin" narrative, it's unquestionable that Buckley's "big tent" anti-communism played into the hands of anti-conservative elements, and his "anti-fascism/anti-racism" stifled discussion of other serious issues until Pepe got CNN talking about them, playing right into the ethnic/class interests of the cliques he circled in.
So he's actually pretty unsatisfactory both from the "racist" and "reactionary" sides of Cred Forums thanks to his "gatekeeping" and the cannibalisation of his magazine by a more insidious clique.

Well I ended sounding more like a psychopathic school shooter/fedora thanks to what I was talking about and how unprepared I was.

"Debate" as an "artform" is bullshit though. "Spectacle" is phony, only arguments cut to the truth, and the formalised "debate"/"rhetoric" culture puts spin over truth.

>Inb4 hurr durr just git gud

The greatest speakers put their ideas out unfiltered by "debate". People remember "preachers" rather than players of word-games trying to "gotcha" other insincere arguers.

He purged the largest mass movement of the American right, the John Birch Society, from mainstream conservatism.

Look at the people who are spectating this "misunderstood" art.

These are the spergs of all spergs. They actually defend this shit too.

You learn to understand them after you get good at it. It is just a skill like any other.

The rule is that you have to read your evidence for it to count, but more evidence is better, so you read it fast. The other team can take the evidence you're reading and examine it after you read it, to think about it and find flaws in your argument.

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How can you even argue against it, Cred Forums?

Try.

>find flaws in your argument

u.teknik.io/bUywU.webm

Find the flaw. I dare you.

>THE WHITE GUY AT 5:50
WHAT TH EFUCK

What I don't get is that this is not at all how actual "debates" work in those same halls. You bring in 2 guest speakers to a university and they reasonably argue. None of this autistic shit.

When did this start happening?

>American """"debates""""

We should have let the Japs win

Anyone who wants to watch some real debates on serious topics of US concern I recommend the Intelligence Squared US debates

They usually put on a good show (when the debaters are good) and none of this spewing words shit

they also vote before and after each debate to seek who swayed audience opinion more

intelligencesquaredus.org

This is what happens when the liberals are in control.

Anyone who bashes high speed debate is a loser who can't hang.

These teams win so much because they read the same argument on the aff and neg all season long and every time they loose on it they spend the next week getting 50 cards ready to respond.

Yes liberals have infested debate and turned it into an oppression olympics but you can and should be able to beat them

and any one of those kids could slow down to a conversational pace and beat your autistic, wikipedia summary reading ass.

If I went into court and pulled this shit I would be held in contempt

>dominating
Read: ruining

It's the natural result of competition in a modern capitalistic/globalised mass-world.

Everyone who can compete is able and encouraged to compete. Hence the "organicness" of it is reduced. It's the difference between the "premier league" teams when they were founded of a factory's workers, and the modern multinational teams picked by obscenely rich plutocrats. No fun allowed because no restrictions on the "arms race".

The format changed to facilitate that. A bit like how Murican handegg has so many more breaks and pauses than soccer, to maximise commercialisation, cheap audience engagement and "me-too"-ism.

youtube.com/watch?v=fmO-ziHU_D8

>so what's the point?
Your question applies to most of what's going on in North American colleges.

what the dick are you talking about

none of that has anything to do with capitalism

>It's a long story but if you look into it Buckley was big into "neoconism" and gave his magazine over to "converted" ex-communist Jews. Even without accepting the "Hitler dindu nuffin" narrative, it's unquestionable that Buckley's "big tent" anti-communism played into the hands of anti-conservative elements, and his "anti-fascism/anti-racism" stifled discussion of other serious issues until Pepe got CNN talking about them, playing right into the ethnic/class interests of the cliques he circled in.
>So he's actually pretty unsatisfactory both from the "racist" and "reactionary" sides of Cred Forums thanks to his "gatekeeping" and the cannibalisation of his magazine by a more insidious clique.

Buckley debated the live issues that needed to be debated from the 50s through the 80s, including cultural Marxism as it played out in those decades.

There has been a sea change in the public mind in the past 20 years, largely devoted to obfuscating and changing the subject from the kinds of arguments a Buckley would engage in. That change, in turn, was a tactical response to the success of Buckley and others. I don't think it's fair to blame him for the success of that movement, which gained most of its momentum after Buckley had died.

His mag was neoconned after he had retired from editing it.

True that Buckley and Cred Forums are not on the same page wrt racism & antisemitism. Pol's position on these fronts has only fragments of truth, however.

They find community, a sense of belonging, in their "Art". Almost like some people who find community in the Alt-Right.

>Your question applies to most of what's going on in North American colleges.
True, but is 'the point' any different than leaf uni's?

That's all good, but a third of them have semi-downs face.

cedadebate.org/forum/index.php?topic=5888.0

Most of the defense is that no one cared how retarded they sounded until the media paraded a bunch of nigs who won.

america was a mistake

hahahhahahahahaahaahha they literally look like they have down syndrome

WUZ

If that's allowed in debate then violence should be allowed in debate. Seriously. Someone who acts like should just be beat into the ground.

>u.teknik.io/bUywU.webm
yeah.... most debate is nothing like that

In fact it is elite as fuck. At highschool level it is dominated by white people from expensive private schools. Future ruling class.

Is it just me, or do all the "uh's" from the girls sound like chimp noises?

>half of them are niggers
>beanies
>obese
>african tribe shit with sagging pants
>busy body women
>nu-males
what a freakshow. pretty much how i would expect a room of "student debaters" to look.

wow, looks like they just got waaaaaayyy too meta

>every mong who tries to make an case for "spreading", can't actually make concise argument for it

It's not even shocking to me considering you don't actually learn to create arguments from audibiling a speed read.

E.L.

>American """""education"""""

> I do not dare to disagree with your point

The best teams will read very quickly, but they articulate very well, so they're not that hard to understand, and often only speed read during the constructives. (to introduce evidence)

But the best debaters are in a parallel private tournament system. At highschool level, they compete at invitationals, and then tournament of champions. (the winners of the invitationals from throughout the season)

These tournaments will be black & Hispanic free for the most part. Not because they explicitly exclude them, but because the barriers to entry put them out of reach. (like most US segregation) You'll see a lot of jews & asians at them, though.

Most of the teams that compete on the invitational circuit don't even go to state run & national tournaments. Because...yeah, they're the fucking ghetto.

OK Gerald.

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post one of these debates that isn't like anything that's been linked in this thread

>Corrupt argumentation
>Complain when people aren't good at your corrupted version.
There's a reason the presidential debates aren't "spreading"

lol dumb fuck, Why not argue a k on masterdebation and cluster fuck them?

I was in a debate for the class I had once. It was about Latinos and whether or not students should be forced to learn about their culture. The entire class was immigtants, so I obviously lost, but only by a couple votes. I was actually rather proud of it. But the other debated were all just drivel. No substance in any of them.

He has no clue, user.

>policy debate was phenomenal 2000-2013
...yet doesn't link a video of such phenomenal debates

Who the fuck did cut her hair? How did that person manage to fail such a simple cut?!

This. University used to mean something, it used to be a place where people came together to discuss great things, to invent and create. Ever since University became a means to an end (getting a job) it went completely to shit.

Hell, not even 100 years ago to become an engineer you simply apprenticed to an engineer and he taught you actual useful shit.

Why not have the debates be based off of rhetoric, and conveying ideas in such a way that it convinces an audience, instead of cramming so only a select few of the audience can understand.
Mirroring something like the presidential debates?

Hey friend. You can drop the "did" from that statement and instead say, "Who the fuck cut her hair".

Just helping a tovarisch out.

It turned into High School+.

High speed debating is autistic as fuck and so are you.

Damn, she really tickles my dick in some pictures. Had to save.

youtube.com/watch?v=J9fZEn12ONQ
Not all of them are shit. UAA, a shitty Alaskan university, was able to beat the Yale debate team.

It's become a pointless sport where the idea is to have an argument prepared beforehand in text form which is handed to the moderators and is all you're judged on.

The speech portion seems to be just showing that you can verbalize the argument you've written. Any parts you fail to verbalize can't be included in your score calculation.

They may as well remove the speech aspect and have it be a battle of essays. Speaking like that is not a skill that does anyone in society any benefit, it's not even amusing to watch, it's just painful and pitiful.

I've never seen that before. Boy is that shit.

what are these feels?

Both are technically correct. It's amuses me how did they manage to fuck it up

>Not doing LD

Yes, a debate should be between two parties with opposing arguments, and should be carried out in a comprehensible manner.

The incentive of winning trophies/rewards for the schools and teams is causing these guerrilla tactics where they talk like a tornado, which is not a comprehensive form for debate. Let alone the reason why a debate should be had in the first place in an academic institution.

School debate teams are just a gimmick for these schools to look more prestigious with another "elite team" under their roofs

They're turning something that could be noble for an academic institution to provoke thought, reason, and critical thinking into a fucking carnival. And guess what? The carts on the rides are derailing and killing everyone in it's path..

Are you trying to defend this terrible practice seen in the OP's video?

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SHIEEEEET NI SHIEEEEET

Lincoln Douglass gives hilarious results sometimes. I was the captain of my HS debate team and loved sitting in on my teams LD rounds. I watched one of my guys tear into his opponent so hard she rolled into a ball and began crying on stage, all because she said nuclear radiation leaks didn't produce harmful effects.