Trek Against Trump

>Star Trek has always offered a positive vision of the future, a vision of hope and optimism, and most importantly, a vision of inclusion, where people of all races are accorded equal respect and dignity, where individual beliefs and lifestyles are respected so long as they pose no threat to others. We cannot turn our backs on what is happening in the upcoming election. Never has there been a presidential candidate who stands in such complete opposition to the ideals of the Star Trek universe as Donald Trump. His election would take this country backward, perhaps disastrously. We need to elect a president who will move this country forward into the kind of future we all dream of: where personal differences are understood and accepted, where science overrules superstition, where people work together instead of against each other.

>The resolution of conflicts on Star Trek was never easy. Don’t remain aloof –vote! We have heard people say they will vote Green or Libertarian or not at all because the two major candidates are equally flawed. That is both illogical and inaccurate. Either Secretary Clinton or Mr. Trump will occupy the White House. One is an amateur with a contemptuous ignorance of national laws and international realities, while the other has devoted her life to public service, and has deep and valuable experience with the proven ability to work with Congress to pass desperately needed legislation. If, as some say, the government is broken, a protest vote will not fix it.

The Star Trek fan base is now against Trump.

How can Trump possible win the election now?

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He already lost them when he said he didn't like 400lb fatasses that sit on their computers

Star Trek is fucking gay.

The Cardassians did nothing wrong

star trek is relevant?

FPBP

Star Wars is better

The Kligntons are the only true power on the galaxy, the hippie faggots of the federation can't handle war

Dear Overpaid Celebrity Fuckwits:

While I have enjoyed some of your past work, fuck off trying to tell me what to think. I'm grown and will make up my own goddamn mind. Go back to what you do best: defeating cardboard villains in 45-minute four-act chunks wearing space pyjamas.


Fuck you.

Isn't it obvious he hates you fucks. Why would you want him to win

Jokes on you, I'm only 390 pounds

Star Trek has always been watched by lefty faggots. I wish I could say I'm surprised.

Sad/Mad puppies was a prophetic microcosm of the social unrest surrounding this election. People here are more familiar with a similar event in the videogame community known as gamergate. The fantasy/sci-fi "community" has long been lost to the SJW left.

trekies are just mad that warhammer40k is kicking their ass again.

"Lead us from death to victory, from falsehood to truth.
Lead us from despair to hope, from faith to slaughter.
Lead us to His strength and an eternity of war.
Let His wrath fill our hearts.
Death, war, and blood;
in vengeance serve the Emperor and the name of Dorn!"
Suffer not the Unclean to live",

Poor people don't want anyone to ever feel as much pains as they did ever again in human history so they sacrifice themselves to solve the future.

It's called Systemic Empathy. For instance, autistic kids are known for supporting anti-vaccination and genetic outbreeding.

Commander, tell me about your sexual organs

I love Star Trek and i fucking hate Hillary...huh

>where individual beliefs and lifestyles are respected so long as they pose no threat to others

WEW

as a star trek fan, star trek is dead to me

kirk would vote trump, picard would abstain, sisko would vote trump, janeway would be a cunt lost in the delta quadrant and never vote for dick

enterprise isn't cannon, archer was a cuck

Bullshit.. Starfleet is a hyper-civic nationalist organization and Spock/Data are BASED as fuck. Even Picard would sneer at SJW's science-hating, reality-denying faggotry.

So some retard made an image, and its supposed to represent everyone who likes that stupid show? It does not work that way.

The Emperor protects!

Exactly.. almost everyone in the entire Star Trek universe would vote Trump.

>Stewart and Shatner didn't sign it

Best Captains confirmed.

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Star Trek was Roddenberry's globalist fantasy. He was a leftist fedora through and through.

1) Vulcans crossed the Earth border, we don't let them live there without papers

2) Borg crossed the Earth border, we blew them up

3) Klingons crossed the Earth border, ain't nobody talking some Kap'lah shit

A wall was built to protect Earth from asteroids.

Trump is Kirk and Hillary is Picard and we all know Kirk was the best.

Oddly enough a youtuber did a film theory on STar Trek that the Federation is Fascist as fuck.

>Caring about Star Trek after Voyager and Enterprise

The last good Trek was DS9 and the last season of thatwas dog shit.

I mean.. federation societies are basically ran as a military operation.

>implying that trum is a racist

We need to spam George Takei's Twitter with this lololo

FUCKING FAGGOT NERDS!!!!

Bill motherfucking Whittle has something to say about this!
m.youtube.com/watch?v=rG5inw9LHr0

>one person speaks for all star trek fans...
The Klingon high counsil does not approve.
>"where personal differences are understood and accepted"
unless you support Trump
>contemptuous ignorance of national laws and international realities...
That's Clinton, circumventing transparency and accountability, and refusing to accept the reality of radical Islam...

>Caring about Star Trek when there's Star Wars
Literally why? Trekkies were like the kids who played Pokemon while all the normal people were playing Yu-Gi-Oh.

cucked scifi and fantasy. these sjws don't actually even enjoy this shit, they just found the easiest niche culture to get into and force their ideas into it.

No one from Trek would vote Trump.
Trump is more Ferengi than the Ferengi.

They wouldn't vote Clinton either. Clinton is obviously a Romulan spy.

In the end, they'd vote for Rand Paul more than any one from this cycle, but more so Ron Paul for being a military man, a medical doctor, and an honored and honest statesman.

There's no wan anyone from either Star Wars or Star Trek would vote for either Trump or Clinton. They're both too retarded and selfish.

youtube.com/watch?v=t02v9EUHs30

As the Emperor protects, so must we.

>playing yugioh at all
neckbeard detected

pokemon>digimon>runescape>adult>runescape

ST has always been ideologically progressive, whereas the underlying message of Warhammer 40k is latently fascist:
radixjournal.com/altright-archive/altright-archive/main/the-magazine/into-the-grim-darkness?rq=Warhammer

That's why real men love 40k.

Been watching Trek since it was on our b&w TV (poorfags).

Would vote Trump if I was Murican.

Can someone compile a list of notable franchises that have done this so I can never support them again?

please tell me I'm not overlooking it and based number one didn't sign it?

Star Trek is anti war and TNG is pro Prime Directive (non-interventionism) which is Trump's entire foreign policy.

These fucking assholes didn't even learn from their own god damn show.

Gene Roddenbury's son endorsed this. Okay, I'm genuinely fucking furious now.

>Can someone compile a list of notable franchises that have done this
All of them have or will, because Trump is a moron.
That's not to say Hillary is better. She's objectively worse than Trump much in the same way ebola is worse than HIV.

It's a known fact that trekkies are overwhelmingly pedophiles.

Kek

>Tfw we all know Star Wars is superior

In the past of the Star Trek universe, Mankind only finally united and got their shit together after the disastrous World War 3 happened.

As such, a real Trekkie should be voting for Hillary Clinton who is GUARANTEED to wage World War 3. While it may be regrettable 80-90% of all humans will die in this war, the survivors will despise the elites with such intense fervor that the bankers and arms dealers will all be hung by brutal """courts""" filled by bloodthirsty survivors looking to finally pin the blame on the guilty.

Afterwards we can finally have a peaceful society that advances into post-socialism galactic expansionism, thanks to the eradication of parasitic usury practices and war for profit.

>All of them have or will, because Trump is a moron.

Have they all held up Hillary as a candidate of change and shit on people who want to vote third party?

>Star Trek was Roddenberry's globalist fantasy. He was a leftist fedora through and through.

In time when civil rights and fedoras had real issues to deal with. Fedoras still have some issues that might need tweaking in US, but civil rights things that are still fucked up have nothing to do with hurt feelings of modern SJW's.

Treks progressed with progressives. Progressives still had not turned into modern regressives by the time he died. Modern SWJ problems non-issues that are conflicting with real facts might make him spin in his grave.

>He actually plays Pokemon
Why not just play Brisca or Uno, you dimwit.

>outa my way trek fucking shits

>Have they all held up Hillary as a candidate of change and shit on people who want to vote third party?
No. Anyone supporting Hillary is far worse than Trump support. Trump might be an egotistical fool, but he's not a devious turncoat communist fuck like Clinton.

Nothing wrong with voting for a third party when the other two parties are hell bent on our destruction.

I remember some guy complaining about origianl series how it had nigger and asian and shit and was too mainstream for him, where is promised novelty?

I'm voting Trump!

>implying i know how to play faggot japanese card games at all

nigga i just collected cards, i played with legos until i was 12 and discovered runescape

it really isn't. the lore is basic and bare, unless you count the extended universe which disney fucked anyway.

the new one was almost the exact same a new hope, except shittier.

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I wasn't talking about civil rights, I was tlking about Roddenberry's naive belief in globalism and the United Nations.

Star Trek has always been propaganda. Everyone knows this. The new Star Trek has fags, niggers, and star fleet is run by some old roastie.

Literally who cares

>The last good Trek was DS9 and the last season of thatwas dog shit.

Last two seasons of ENT are probably two best seasons in all Treks so far. Given what has been said about Discovery so far, it will probably suck and situation remains same.

>3) Klingons crossed the Earth border, ain't nobody talking some Kap'lah shit

Man I laughed unreasonably hard at this.

TRUMP!

In what world? Pokemon is one of the most normie-friendly franchises in existence just like SW.

My dad is the big original series nerd and I told him about this.

"Well, the fanbase is pretty much loaded with socially inept queers."

I'll try again

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fucking dumb. i am a huge trekkie and i support trump. cucked trekkies pls go.

i am a huge trek fan.

I AM FOR TRUMP

BTFO CTR BYE BYE

The Left has absolutely zero self-awareness. This is not a new development.

>Star Trek is fucking gay.

yup

You are fucking gay you uncultured faggot.

>We have heard people say they will vote Green or Libertarian or not at all because the two major candidates are equally flawed. That is both illogical and inaccurate. Either Secretary Clinton or Mr. Trump will occupy the White House. One is an amateur with a contemptuous ignorance of national laws and international realities, while the other has devoted her life to public service, and has deep and valuable experience with the proven ability to work with Congress to pass desperately needed legislation. If, as some say, the government is broken, a protest vote will not fix it.

Neither will voting in the very embodiment of everything that is wrong with it.

Fuck off trekkies, your shit hasn't been relevant since the '80s

this

star wars is pleb tier good vs bad light vs dark, it's as faggy as you can get. OOH MY LIGHTSABER ZOOM VWOOM SWOOOM SHHHHHRP

fuck off nerds

star trek is sci fi for adults, anyone who disagrees is a cunt. TOS-TNG-DS9 master race.

REAL TALK THO? bsg re-imagined is up there too. it fell off towards the end, but it had some of the best everything of all time

lots of neckbeards like grrm give it shit for the "deus ex machina" ending, but if you ever watched the fucking show you'd have known the entire fucking time that it was all predetermined and everything guided by the hand of god

pretty based show, imo. escape from new caprica and the rescue of the galactica by the pegasus is one of the best scenes in all of sci fi

this, Trek is basically a post-google society.

All the useless ones died out and only the absolute most intelligent and integrated survived.

He didn't really get to live and see the complete degregation of black society, as he passed away while they were working hard towards creating a good future. Something that has been abandoned in 2016.

When you see things like that, its no wonder you would have high hopes for the future.

Hello, fellow Trek Trump supporter. It's no surprise that people in the federation would vote TRUMP over vile and corrupt Hillary. Trump is all about rule of law, service and duty. He's also a straight arrow and wants real RESULTS.

>Star Trek has always offered a positive vision of the future, a vision of hope and optimism, and most importantly, a vision of inclusion, where people of all races are accorded equal respect and dignity, where individual beliefs and lifestyles are respected so long as they pose no threat to others.

>so long as they pose no threat to others.

holy shit that gif

brought back a lot of memories of when Cred Forums was actually good

>inb4 Cred Forums was never good

>Obama/Sisko
>Lies
>Obstructs justice
>Accomplice to murder
>Poisons the atmosphere in syria to get assad

>Hilary/Janeway
>Completely lost on the first day
>Bill dies of brain disease
>Lesbian lover huma abedin dies
>Most of the administration perishes

Captain. I recommend a full spread of torpedoes!

Exactly.. How did the federation deal with insidious enemies like the Romulans and the Founders? Dumbass lefties don't realize how nationalistic Trek was.

Can these celebrities fucking die? Fuck them for telling working class peasants to vote for a fucking criminal hag that will make them and other elites comfy as the rest of the world burns.

eddington did nothing wrong

who and where did this come from, by the way?

did they even watch DS9

It's not just black society, it's that he believed in these destructive progressive causes in the first place.

He was a naive socialist.

>I wasn't talking about civil rights, I was tlking about Roddenberry's naive belief in globalism and the United Nations.

Naive belief. In Trek they needed few decades of totalitarian plutocracy and nuclear war to get into situation where people started to cooperate on global level to achieve something greater. Earth might have central government, but it also had autonomous local governments under it. They still have distinct ethnic groups and everything is based on merits. Quite different from modern "progressive" ideals.

>star trek
>having anything remotely worth following as an example
>The resolution of conflicts on Star Trek was never easy
>pic very related

Soo....does nobody know the federation is basically a fascist war machine? This whole equality and diversity thing is hilarious.

kek - I miss Cred Forums shitposting sometimes.

>name a Muslim Star Trek character

This was actually an interesting read

>You have to be a Clinton supporter to like Star Trek
I'm not even a fan, but that's retarded as fuck. You can't claim to speak for an entire fanbase.

Other way around. Everyone played Pokemon, but Yugioh was always a nerd thing

>Trekies are for open borders

Federation YES. Let the Borg in. They just want to enrich your lives.

>Tfw two intelligent too vote for Trump

Only real Trekkie in whole thread.

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WH40k is parody. Most of writers and creators have been progressives, few libertarians in mix as well, but they are minority.

Here is good article on Treks ideological aspects and how it has progressed with progressives turning into regressives.

Shit. Forgot the link.

claremont.org/crb/article/the-politics-of-star-trek/

For the Emperor Brothers!

It still promotes the idea that a one world government is the solution, and the idea that promoting liberalism on a large scale will somehow help.

It's not. The Federation is the UN.

I'm gonna vote for Trump I don't give a shit what other Trek fans think.
T. Trump voter watching TNG right now

Its inevitable that a world government form. The key is having the right people running it. A world government now would be run by people like Soros and possibly even abive his sphere of influence.

Key difference is the technology. Replicator tech and others eliminates scarcity. World government is no problem if everyone is a self-actualized free-agent (that does not harm others) and has resources.

>It still promotes the idea that a one world government is the solution

Suggest a more sensible option in dealing with aliens. There are civilizations like Klingons and Romulans out there.

>and the idea that promoting liberalism on a large scale will somehow help.

Liberalism that is closer to classic liberalism than modern SJW liberalism. Economy is basically post-scarity socialism, but no need for capitalism in traditional sense as there is enough of everything except for few things that can't be replicated.

>It's not. The Federation is the UN.

It started as loose military alliance between Humans, Vulcans, Tellarites and Andorians.

Gul Dukat did nothing wrong

DELET THIS

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Who cares? They're all irrelevant faggots who'll die soon anyway.

For once a leaf is right you fucking cuck faggot. Star Trek is hyperfaggot gay shit.

These guys obviously don't like Kirk

>>We have heard people say they will vote Green or Libertarian or not at all because the two major candidates are equally flawed. That is both illogical and inaccurate. Either Secretary Clinton or Mr. Trump will occupy the White House. One is an amateur with a contemptuous ignorance of national laws and international realities, while the other has devoted her life to public service, and has deep and valuable experience with the proven ability to work with Congress to pass desperately needed legislation. If, as some say, the government is broken, a protest vote will not fix it.

Surely not voting for what you believe in but just hate voting is the very essence of democracy!

I fucking hate this "X party won't win, so your vote doesn't count" bullshit. Because politicians only care about who got the most votes and don't look at how people voted across the board and adjust their policies to reflect that? Sure.

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>Its inevitable that a world government form.

How? All empires fall. Why would a global one be more successful?

That is literal communist thinking. Even if everyone was prosperous, conflict would still arise.

>Suggest a more sensible option in dealing with aliens.
A military alliance.

Roddenberry's 60's liberalism was the direct precursor to modern SJW liberalism.

>It started as loose military alliance

Just like the UN did.

Faggot

Fake "Evil" Janeway was based though.

What a world we live in when we turn to entertainers for political guidance and a cartoon frog threatens a major political candidate.

Authorial intent doesn't matter, only subjective interpretation :^)

t. Post-modernism

Easy shekels. I'd have endorsed it too.

I love DS9 and Enterprise, the rest is poorly-written goofy trash. MAGA.

>Be Trekkie
>Like Trump

>A military alliance.

Equipment needed for planetary defense is far too complex to be built by a loose purely military alliance. Deeper cooperation required for that and also for united diplomacy with less hostile aliens. Just designing building NX-class ships literally took huge toll on all resources in Earth.

>Roddenberry's 60's liberalism was the direct precursor to modern SJW liberalism.

Modern blend is degenerated form of it. Roddenberry was very much against totalitarism SJW's represent. Free speech, meritocracy and shieet.

>Just like the UN did.

Resurrecting the league of nations was very much on agenda since day one and it was never military alliance, allies in WWII just called themselves united nations for some reason. UN charter entered force in October 1945, after the war had already ended.

>What a world we live in when we turn to entertainers for political guidance and a cartoon frog threatens a major political candidate.

What a time to be alive.

that holohoax jewish controlloed fuck?

who cares?

>while the other has devoted her life to public service, and has deep and valuable experience with the proven ability to work with Congress to pass desperately needed legislation. If, as some say, the government is broken, a protest vote will not fix it.

Spoken like a true Section 31 operative.

How will trump recover from someone drawing a picture?

>so long as they pose no threat to others.
Tell those damn muslims/rapefugees/sandniggers that!

is there voting in trek? I thought it was a military dictatorship

>naive
malevolent

they knew what they were doing

Wtf I h8 Star Trek now.

Truth

Cultural Marxism has already made us go through a start of a dark age.

>It still promotes the idea that a one world government is the solution, and the idea that promoting liberalism on a large scale will somehow help.
almost as if it is (((propaganda)))

>[...]so long as they pose no threat to others[...]

If they deleted that part, it would make a lot more sense.

The utopian future of Star Trek is predicated on a 3rd World War.

>is there voting in trek?
Yes. In civilian life, the government is both big, and small.
It's there when needed but when not needed does not interfere.
It's totally different than anything we currently know of simply because we do not live in a society with such a high level of technology.

People like Trump and Clinton are not allowed near power, generally, in the Federation, the exception being Section 31, and Section 31 is only allowed because they're a necessary evil for dealing with the likes of the Romulans and Cardassians and their very underhanded intelligence techniques.

If western civ had thought of the prime directive 300 years ago, the world would be a hell of a lot better place now.

>Modern blend is degenerated form of it. Roddenberry was very much against totalitarism SJW's represent.

There is no "modern blend". It's all cancer. The cultural marxism of the 60's wasn't better than it is now.

show picard would vote trump. he fucked over a planet of federation citizens, indians btw, because he had orders to do so and disregarding those orders would pull the federation into another war.

movie picard did the exact opposite. going so far as to not only defy the fed council, and a direct order from an admiral, but also get involved in a civil war with another race just at the chance he could score

oh look, a faggot

trump is the best candidate for a hundred years

also trek is gay, and you are a flamer

I started hating it a while ago, before it was popular to do so. hence I am superior to you

I didn't actually hate the actors though until this. they should be strung up

topkek

Clinton as a Dalek would work well too, just sayin'

There would be no America if there was a Prime Directive. Conquering the savages was the best thing that ever happened to them.

I agree. Old school leftism was an entirely different thing from modern sjw shit. I remember once upon a time I believed in the United Nations too.

>you cant vote for anyone else only hillary!!!!!!!

Oh eat shit.

Europe would be a giant domed city that can take off and has its own gravitational pull

Star Trek is a National Socialist paradise

>"btw we have some regrets about the eugenics wars ;^)"

The future you describe is more likely to occur under trump. While you may see all of us trump supporters as racist bigots and what not, and believe me, we have our racists as much as you do, we're not the bad guys here.

Even if we don't agree with you, we don't actively crusade to censor you at every opportunity. We don't manipulate the media and pay people to commit acts that violate laws and freedom of speech.

We don't burn down towns like Black Lives Matter.

We don't kill people for religious causes like Islamic Extremists.

We just shitpost and talk crap about the opposing party, as well as present arguments with evidence behind them (although some right siders seriously need to make a bigger habit of presenting said sources)

Tell me, is that really bad? I mean, what's so dangerous about some people on a computer screen saying mean things? Have you ever seen us doing things as bad as the Black Lives Matter riots and terroristic attacks in MODERN DAY America?

By silencing us you're against freedom of speech. Freedom of speech means all speech is allowed. You don't have to agree, but you can't censor it. Besides, what's wrong with hearing both sides of the same coin? Open your mind a bit. You'll learn nothing if you seclude yourself from any opposition, refusing to learn what else is out there.

The biggest danger to society is Bajoran Extremism.

>There is no "modern blend". It's all cancer. The cultural marxism of the 60's wasn't better than it is now.

Cultural marxism wasn't mainstream until 68'ers started to get into positions of power in progressive movement, that happened between late 70's and . Sixties progressives went into a war against communists in Vietnam due to domino theory and dealt with shit like nuclear standoff against commies in Cuban Missile Crisis. JFK, RBK and LBJ were the progressives of 60's.

>almost as if it is (((propaganda)))

Lets think about this....

They had nuclear war caused by plutocrats, after it they basically lynched said plutocrats and also war profiteers. (((they))) aren't in power. Main motivation for world government is dealing with external threats from outer space with diplomacy if possible, with force if necessary.

>Star Trek
>A positive vision

Except, that there is constant war, subverted government systems, overblown militarization, leaders of all kinds corrupted by perceived personal gain, races and species at each others' throats in spans of centuries, a technically advanced quadrant spanning power who "legally" disallows anyone to share any of their life-improving technology with "lesser" provably sentient beings, and wars that steamroll out of control through many sectors.

It sounds to me like everything Trump is aiming to clean up in our real world.

I'm a huge Star Trek nerd and I support Trump.

I think any real Star Trek fan would agree, Ferengi aren't always bad, but Bajorans usually are. Easy choice.

Pic Related.

While we're on this topic, any red pilled science fiction?

REMOVE HASPERAT

Europe was already on it's way to being subverted by the Jews. The only difference is we'd have fewer resources.

>Kai Hillary
Ouch. Accurate to a T.

Cultural Marxism was already in the schools. JFK and LBJ were horrible presidents.

I'm an avid Star Trek fan, but I'm not so stupid to think that the politics on the show are anything more than fictitious nonsense. The people who take it seriously don't know shit.

Great show though. Ferengi are great space jews as well.

Thats it im a #cruzmissile now

What's your favorite episode of TNG?

I like the one where Picard and Riker are doing a war game and the space jews show up to fuck it up.

why the fuck does a fan base have to have a political agenda? Its a fucking show

btw Federation didn't just let anyone immigrate into it.

Infact if the species was too primitive they actually HID their entire existence

If a species achieved warp they would make contact, but they wouldn't give them technology or just let them join

Prime directive is a pretty big "wall" desu

If they're so tolerant, why did the black guy always die first?

>Cultural Marxism was already in the schools.

Yes, but Roddenberry and writers weren't at school anymore. Roddenberry was schooled before he bombed savages with B-17 in WWII, beat unruly people with baton, decided to become pulp scifi writer and finally ended up making TV under influence of alcohol, cocaine, amphetamine and psychedelics.

>JFK and LBJ were horrible presidents.

They certainly weren't cultural marxists.

Fuck off leaf

>why did the black guy always die first?
Wasn't always the no-name commie in the 'red shirt'

really makes you think

the one where the Nausicann says

PLAY DAHM JAHT... HUE MAHHN?

Michael Dorn or LeVar Burton?
Both of whom are pretty cool guys IRL.

Exceptions to the rule of niggtry.
They get put into the bin with Thomas Sowell and Tommy Sotomayor.

>What's your favorite episode of TNG?

Dunno and changes a lot depending on mood.

Inner Light, Darmok, Yesterdays Enterprise, Cause and Effect, Tapestry or All Good Things...

Fascinating. Dinosaur media is completely unable to venture outside of itself. Saged and hidden.

>LET'S BRING IN MORE BORG REFUGEES GUYS

JFK and LBJ were part of the reason the Civil Rights movement took off.

Roddenberry was still a socialist/globalist shill.

>The Star Trek fan base is now against Trump.
Get fucked. No they're not.

We can have Star Trek when the Muslims are gone.


>Be on Enterprise
>Discovering new worlds
>Meeting new species
>Die as the ship goes into warp and destroys itself because Mohammad

Season 4 of Enterprise is the best season of all of Trek. I wish they had been able to continue.

fucking this

there's no better time to try and write that badass sci-fi novel you always wanted to do, especially with how easy it is to just publish on kindle

if you're really confident try to get published by vox day's thing

now that was a fucking scifi drama show

>You've never seen on mudslime on star trek
(you)

It's like was said.
There are no muslims in Star Trek.
Them and the jews don't seem to have made it through the Eugenics War.

To be fair, Atheism isn't isn't a pushed thing either. With beings like the Q and "wormhole aliens" out and about, theology is left up in the air. But lol NO MUSLIMS!

Gee wiz! And humanity was better off without those fucks.

i made this for you guys

The Federation would build a wall.

This is fucking retarded.

I am star trek as fuck ffs.

Trump for Grand Nagus!

In order to get to that future, they required a nearly world ending atomic war waged against humanity by a multicultural army of genetically engineered supermen.

Barsoom series is the best Sci-Fi series.
Cuck Wars and Faggot Trek are inferior.

build tachyon detection grid

>Old school leftism was an entirely different thing from modern sjw shit
only in scale

you don't seem to have addressed my point about it being propaganda

what % of tv shows are propaganda, at least to some extent?

These skits gave little kid me nightmares.

I never knew what the fuck it was. Still don't to be honest.

(((((((((((((((((((rosen (((BERG)))))))))))))))))))))

Warhammer 40k always has and always will be the best sci fi universe. It was literally made for the sake of a good setting.

Fuck these shitty soulless progressive mouthpiece franchises. 40k is for those with patrician taste anyways.

"By the manner of our death are we judged."
>Thought of the day

plenty of niggers though

fear denies faith

also chekked

Bazinga your vote to Hillary!

-Shelen supports her!

>Kirk vs Janeway
>Trek fans pick Janeway
>Smh

I was more talking about TOS, when the nogs were still looked down upon in Trek lore.

Every fucking time. EVERY FUCKING TIME!

Cred Forums is always right!

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I dont get the reason as to why they're against him. Everybody sees Trek as a socialist utopia, which it is, but it's a fascist utopia as well. Starfleet is in control of everything and if a race of aliens isn't particularly keen on joining up, fuck em, they're the enemy.
Explore strange new worlds? Honestly looks more like they're discovering and categorizing planets that have valuable resources on it and claiming it for SF.
Trek is more along the lines of an incredibly massive Mongolian Empire than a socialist utopia.

>Season 4 of Enterprise is the best season of all of Trek. I wish they had been able to continue.

The format with two three part episodes was good middle ground between continuing story show and episodic show. Aside from series finale that is final insult to the show there are no weak episodes in it.

>a vision of hope and optimism, and most importantly, a vision of inclusion, where people of all races are accorded equal respect and dignity, where individual beliefs and lifestyles are respected so long as they pose no threat to others.
>Backing a candidate who will never bring any of this.

Dune, at least up to God Emperor of Dune.

Can't vouch for anything made by the authora son or after that particular book.

I like star trek, when I first saw it I thought it was made in USSR, duh. Very naive and utopian communism that spess federation is, something our sci-fi authors were doing all the time.

Thing is, I fear 40k is a cosmic glimpse into the inevitable future of life in our galaxy. It was all just a game...

Except we don't live in a universe of different space faring races with their own sovereign home worlds millions of light years apart.

We live on a relatively small planet being overpopulated by groups who have lived in ignorance and oppression while the corrupt still operate under the noses of hedonistic liberals working in the bread and games industry.

check mate losers

Dune is solid all the way through, but the son fucks everything up and changes the metaphor of human expansion into evil robots
Stop with Chapterhouse when the original author dies.

I agree, but the three butlerian jihad books he wrote were fun

the rest was shit though

I've always preferred Cuck Wars anyway

Also

>where individual beliefs and lifestyles are respected so long as they pose no threat to others

But Islam poses a threat to everything that is non-muslim,you fucking delusional faggots!

Seriously,do these people really believe what they say? Or are they just saying this for money?

Oh, boy..
Oh, man..
This means that the new Trek series doesn't stand a chance in hell now huh?

Definitely not a good sign

i like 40k from the standpoint that even if the entire setting is grimdark as fuck, faith is still what keeps the entire imperium working at this point

you don't see that a lot in sci-fi anymore. only other thing i can think of get gets close was battlestar

If you've only played Star Trek Online. Zone chat is like Cred Forums, albeit a bit more tame.

But Star Trek is full of a bunch of racial stereotypes and shit.

>Romulans are violent and warrior-like
>Vulcans are cold and logical

One of the best lines in the show is when Kirk says to Spock that out of all the females in the universe, only Vulcans have logical women.

FUCK YOU I'M JOINING CHAOS
THEY HAVE FURRIES

>His election would take this country backward
That's exactly what we need. You don't need to press the gas pedal harder if you're going the wrong way

...and you posted a fucking space wolf. You fail in heresy.

well I like star trek and trump

guess that ruins everything

> ["E PLEBNISTA" INTENSIFIES]

You sound d more Xindi than American. This is America not the fucking pussy Federation. Also no way Niggers could pass Star Fleet Academy. All those bitches be wearing red shirts... Like it's always been.

Speaking as a Trekkie, or, a fan of the Original Series, what made Trek great was how the crew reacted to the hilariously horrible Politically Correct scripts they were forced to act their way through. Like the half-black aliens, for instance.

It wasn't that the show was good. The plots, just like in today's Trek, were plugged toilets slopping over with the most virulant brain-poison available. What made it great was how the actors, obviously good friends offscreen too, reacted to the buckets of shit being hurled upon them with humor and derision. It was like what would happen if the MST3K audience were IN the movie.

So no, it's no surprise that any organization that would have taken Star Trek seriously would make such a move- In fact, it's eminently logical. Moreover we should treat it as the original ST actors did- With humor and derision.

He was also a coal-burner (dated Uhura actress Nichelle Nichols) and a closeted Scientologist.

It's hilarious because the Federation exists because of an agency full of people like Trump run around killing everything that threatens its supremacy.
>romulans, cardassians, etc all have their 'intelligence' division and then their secret evil spy group that everyone knows about
>the federation just has starfleet intelligence
>only it turns out we dont
>the human sekret spy group is just so competent you dont hear about them while they're genociding the federations enemies

>all these businesses that get involved in politics so i know who to boycott
>just added cuck trek to my list of shit to never buy
Feels good man.

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That one about the inventor of the transporter and his son who's been lost in subspace is somewhat weak, but other than that and the finale, every episode that season is outstanding.

> "If I removed your sexual organs, would you die?"

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that filename

also the klingon ridges virus arc is cringy no matter how much you try to pretend it's not

I can't agree more, 40k is leagues better than any other sci-fi universe.
Fuck those trekies assuming their ((( official collective opinion ))) on a U.S election means anything.

I refuse to believe that. They're gonna make sci-fi grate again.

>where science overrules superstition
/r/ a image with the "into the trash it goes"-man and a bunch of fedoras in a trash can

The federation was smart enough to protect its borders from the clinger-oners.

>it would be extremely androgynous

(((Ferengi)))

I think you just won the Crown of shitposting back from the Canadians with this one m8.
Conglaturations.
Also, even Chaos wants nothing to do with furries.

This is true. Plus learning the origins of many Dune factions (the Guild, Bene Gesserit, etc.) was pretty cool.

>Star Trek universe is humanity constantly getting cucked by aliens

This is why Halo is better.

how many "popular" media franchises speaking against trump is this now
Theres the saving the day thing with iron man and a bunch of literally whos telling you not to vote trump and now this

Apparently Iranians loved the show. Go figure.

>tfw i hate star trek now

>The Star Trek fanbase is now against Trump.
No it isn't, t. Star Trek fanbase. Lefties are mind-blowingly desperate, it just keeps getting more and more pathetic.

My dick is diam... I mean, solid pure dilithium crystals.

>We have heard people say they will vote Green or Libertarian or not at all because the two major candidates are equally flawed. That is both illogical and inaccurate.


You know this is pissing off moderate democrats more than anyone else.

>liking anything but the first few
Suffer not the heretic.
Good trump though, saved.

DUKAT DID NOTHING WRONG!

ETHNIC SELF DETERMINATION

>The Star Trek fan base is now against Trump.
>
>How can Trump possible win the election now?

simple, we counter with Star Wars fan base... oh wait the jews own it now and all the fans are retarded normies

John Gill did nothing wrong. Death to Zeon!

Real life isn't a fucking space fantasy show. Get over it.

>The Star Trek fan base is now against Trump.

I'm ont against trump. I'm sure the sjws that have coup'd all the "nerd" shit like conventions and videogames are against him but frankly those people do not speak for me or any of my fellow "trekkers."

>mfw i wanted to get comfy watch some Star Trek tonight


Well there goes that plan.

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>fucking Trekkie nerd is getting a chubby while LARPing as Picard, while taking a picture with Patrick Stewart (Picard actor)
>out-of-shape mega-Jew who probably paid a lot of shekels for this opportunity, or got one of his HollyJew uncle to "convince" Stewart to take a picture with him
Literally Trekkie fans in a nutshell.

If Hillary didn't have a track record of literally saying whatever it takes to get the vote, then yes Hillary would be the best choice, but let's be honest with ourself, she hasn't been honest and kept the word of her campaigns.

She has done nothing of significant value with her roles as Secretary of State or as a Senator.

She has 100% been involved in Pay for Play and the Clinton foundation has squandered billions of dollars to live the pockets of their friends and themselves.

Trump represents hope, he cares about America - he always has but he also cares about his family.

I think Obama summed up Hillary best, and if he wasn't so loyal to his party and to saving the work he's done that Trump is proudly going to destroy he would not be supporting Hillary.
youtube.com/watch?v=UTtizmetQMY

> for U...nited Federation of Planets.

After securing the Romulan boarder and fighting off Klinging Migrants during the Klingon civil war... Fighting degeneracy like Romulan Ale, black borgs, and respecting Bejoran religious culture...

Now I am supposed to believe Star Trek had anti Trump values?

Are all the fans retarded?

Hillary is corrupt as shit and sold seats and appointments for money. She doesn't value human life and has political opposition assassinated. She's so corrupt. I'm pretty sure she's the reason Q wanted to kill us.

>We have heard people say they will vote Green or Libertarian or not at all because the two major candidates are equally flawed.

Yes dumb goy, you only have two options! Voting third party is throwing your vote away!

Get ready for Star Wars against Trump. Can't wait for Obi-Wan to tell me that Trump is a sith lord.

>15 million

based sisko

Do the shuttle bays have handicapped spots? Asking for a friend.

>Do the shuttle bays have handicapped spots?
Of course space-goy

What did you just say about me you little bitch? I invented duotronics and have jeopardized the lives of over 1600 Star Fleet personnel with only one malfunctioning M-5 computer imprinted with my Afro-Swedish engrams. I have been trained in over 50 different programming environments...

Star Trek fan here, voting trump. In the Star Trek lore, the earth went through a long and bloody war, after which all of humanity emerged equal. Once everyone was equal in income, living conditions, health access and rank, did they start taking steps to unite the earth under the federation.

One nation or a few nations cannot provide for the entire planet. The entire planet has to be absolutely equal in every aspect for mutual support to happen.

i hate to agree with a leaf but that show is shit scifi
>all the main characters are moral and accepting
>aliens all look like normal humans wearing poop on their face
>space battles are extremely boring
>technology is so advanced that they can do pretty much whatever they want with it
>peace and understanding seems to always be the main theme

i can't stand watching that show
stargate, BSG, firefly, star wars, starcraft universe, cowboy beebop are all vastly better.

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I watch star trek generations on occasion, but this single handily ruined it for me,
please don't fucking tell me any of the writers, actors or staff actually got involved with this shit.

yes, Satan.

Do you know what the Enterprise and Toilet paper have in common?

They both get the Klingons out of your anus!

oh yeah and JJ abrams movies are better than the series as well

That joke's so old, last time I heard it I fell off my dinosaur and broke my wooden suspenders.

And it's "orbit Uranus capturing Klingons."
Also checked.

What are your feelings on Farscape?

>Stargate
I like it too. The movie and SG-1. Everything after that was shit.

>BSG
I like the older one. The remake is shit. Vagina Starbuck? What a load of hooey!

>Firefly
Space Western/opera, space cowboys, space confederation (Browncoats) vs space Soviet Union (where everyone is corrupt and degenerate). What's not to like?

>Star Wars
Don't like it that much. It's okay, I guess. All that "force" BS is shit.

>StarCraft universe
Only the SC and BW arcs. SC2 story arcs are utter shit. Well, Wings of Liberty is okay, but the rest is shit. They should've killed off Kerrigan - mind-controlled or not, she needs to pay. It basically reinforces the (((feminist))) notion that women cannot be held responsible for their mistakes.

>Cowboy Bebop
Another favorite. Not sure why I like Western-themed space sci-fis.
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At least it wasn't a Gorn pun.

Remember that time the federation sold a pre warp civilization consisting of violent religious fanatics fleets of starships so they could wage war against the Romulans?

Oh wait that never happened.

i didn't watch farscape
should I?
what is it?

yeah and SC2 storyline is shit and they're screwing up the universe but it still captures my imagination a hell of a lot of more than star trek
>sc and bw arcs are better
agreed

as for Caprica I'm not sure wtf they thought they were doing
>let's move from epic space opera with military fighting robots on badass tank ships with nukes to
>virtual girl making robots and drama

and you should give SGU another chance. Just because it isn't in the same vein as SG1 doesn't make it a bad sci-fi on its own

Trek is best as high concept scifi.

>oh yeah and JJ abrams movies are better than the series as well

Choke yourself. Given that your taste... you probably would have wanted to see (((hollywood))) live action Cowboy Bebop and would have considered it superior to original as well. Jar Jar treks are shit tier cargo cult trash that only copy-paste visual look from real trek and substitute bunch of quips and lens flares for actual plot. Jar Jar Trek is brainless trash for millenials without anything resembling patience, in reality lens flares are pretty bad at hiding gargantuan plotholes.

Firefly was made by a turbocuck feminist 15 years ago and is less cucked than Star Trek TOS by miles.

>high concept scifi
i guess being pretentious is required to enjoy star trek
there is absolutely nothing interesting about it
though I should I mention I did actually enjoy enterprise
It's the only good one.

JJ abrams makes the star wars universe actually look believable

star trek universe*

he ruined star wars

We should make a comic called "Dem Trek". It can tell the story of an Admiral that resembles Clinton who travels the galaxy selling weapons, taking bribes, killing planets governments, starting proxy wars and blaming everything on Romulan conspiracies.

Each comic some redshirt comes onto the bridge to report about the clear violations of the prime directive, only to be beamed directly into space due a "transporter malfunction"

Kind of liked it. Its about an astronaut who ended up in the far side of the galaxy and meet all these aliens. One of the aliens he meets, and eventually porks and knocks up, is actually related to humans.

The aesthetics and concepts are more alien than some sci-fi shows. The ship they're in, for example, is a bioship-starship hybrid. Some aliens in the show look more alien than Star Trek aliens. And weird. One looks like a BDSM "sub" enthusiast/gimp.

It's made by Jim Henson's company so it may conjure up ideas that the show is kiddy, but it isn't.

First time I heard it was in the mid 70s and I was in public school.

This shit is deep

cool i'm gonna have to check it out.
running out of good scifis to watch
just been rewatching SG1 for the 4th time

You should take a step back and consider the fact that you may be wrong about pretty much everything in life

actually he filled it with plot holes, the retard thought that an explosion would propel a ship out of a black hole when FTL spacetime manipulation via warp drive didnt do the trick.

>oh hey guys our ships stuck in the gravitational pull
>guess we should blow up our fastest method of propulsion
>oh, and somehow we'll keep propelling ourselves in the interim between our engines turning off, being ejected, and blowing the fuck up
>also, the explosion wont get absorbed by the black hole
>even though A FUCKING SUPERNOVA was absorbed even after it expanded outside the event horizon of the newly formed black hole
>p.s. enjoy 10000000 lens flares lol

It's a fetish therefore Slaanesh approves.

Remember when DS9 built a wall of space mines to keep the Dominion out?

>Trek is best as high concept scifi.
Their starship designs aren't so good though, at least until they toned down on the saucer design.

Starships should look a bit more like sea-faring ships and/or submarines, but in space - space is, in many ways, an ocean. Kind of like the Space Battleship Yamato, but it should look less like a sea-faring warship.

Or warplanes, but gigantic and space-worthy, like the TNG redesigns of Romulan and Klingon warships.

The 'AYY LMAO' saucer configuration makes it look out of place. The Intrepid (Voyager) and Prometheus (Prometheus) class starships were a step in the right direction. Even the temporal ships introduced in Voyager, the Timeship Relativity, is better than the saucer designs.

it was still vastly more entertaining then
>oh hey guys there's some aliens that communicate only by poetry
or
>there's a giant talking plasma blob let's make peace with it

and implying that holograms killing you/being a doctor or using the holodeck to make an engine isn't idiotic

you're the first person i know of besides me that doesn't like the stupid saucer look

>I like it too. The movie and SG-1. Everything after that was shit.

Very true.

>Space Western/opera, space cowboys, space confederation (Browncoats) vs space Soviet Union (where everyone is corrupt and degenerate). What's not to like?

Federation in Firefly was pure plutocracy, everyone there was blue pilled idiot, enforcer of regime or rich fuck ripping off rest. Browncoats just wanted to have freedom from surveillance society, even if meant worse living conditions.

The reason to like it chemistry of cast and characters. Bunch of bickering misfits in broken piece of shit ship trying scrape off living on grey area of law.

>Another favorite. Not sure why I like Western-themed space sci-fis.

Same as Firefly. Just anime and with jazz sound track instead of country.

>i didn't watch farscape
>should I?

Depends do you like shows about bunch of goofy misfits in space.

>as for Caprica I'm not sure wtf they thought they were doing

Show that wasn't about space battles. Higher concept stuff about nature of AI, even more than BSG itself.

He ruined both universes, SW to much lesser extent.

High concept scifi is usually about things like nature of space, time, humanity, AI and so on, usually in quite philosophical tone. Trek is more often about adventure and hamfisted analogies to current issues, but it is at is best in high concept scifi.

Kirk and Spock being opposites of original characters.
No time delay in travel.
Planets ridiculously close to each other.
Transporter that makes starships obsolete.
Getting shit done trough pure luck instead skill, determination, struggle and shieet.
Kirk going from busted cadet to captain of flagship of the fleet in few days while ignoring orders from superiors.

Plus it had Animal Mother in the crew.

Aside from the shit intro Enterpise was pretty based. Archer and Tucker were great characters, fuck even that bong Reed was alright from time to time. I liked it a lot and I hold the same opinion as you user, they should have given the series a full run. The shit with the Xindi was great, reminds me of current day SJWs

Cred Forums is always right

God I hate it too.

>You've never seen on mudslime on star trek

Of course not, it's the future.

>The Xindi (pronounced ZIN-dee) were an alliance of species who evolved on the same planet in the Delphic Expanse, known as Xindus

>Xindus

I Xindu nuffin!

Shit like this is only going to make it all the more delicious when he wins.

Can you imagine the absolute anal devastation?
It might be the largest amount of butthurt that anyone alive has ever seen.

>Can you imagine the absolute anal devastation?

This times infinity.

>shitty mashup of every other science fiction universe
>best setting
Not even close, dweeb.

topkek

The Original Series, especially season 1, is based as fuck and contain not even a trace of poz in it.

Goddamn you fucking nailed it. The eugenics war had to happen to make all the series function. The star trek universe never had to deal with atrocities that we deal with today, from to time they even refer to this era as a sort of dark ages.

KeK fuck yea self replicating mines.

I 'memember

I'm a Star Trek fan base

I'm voting for trump

Kap'lah!

>We should make a comic called "Dem Trek". It can tell the story of an Admiral that resembles Clinton who travels the galaxy selling weapons, taking bribes, killing planets governments, starting proxy wars and blaming everything on Romulan conspiracies.

please make this, somebody!!!

>where individual beliefs and lifestyles are respected so long as they pose no threat to others

They do understand the irony of this right?

checked
original series best series

t. James T. Kirk, that's T for Trump, assholes

yeah but spock would vote clinton and he's the smart guy haha pol btfo

>That is literal communist thinking. Even if everyone was prosperous, conflict would still arise.

I agree with this, not everyone that wants to live on the beach can do so. There is only so much shoreline.

>FUN FACT: Every pedophile arrested in the last 50 years has been a Star Trek fan

>Their starship designs aren't so good though, at least until they toned down on the saucer design.
>Starships should look a bit more like sea-faring ships and/or submarines, but in space - space is, in many ways, an ocean. Kind of like the Space Battleship Yamato, but it should look less like a sea-faring warship.

High concept scifi isn't hardcore scifi. Two very different beasts.

Treks primary hull, secondary engineering hull and engines ship configuration is surprisingly sound (even before trek pseudo science kicks in) and pretty unique design. They wanted a ship that isn't A) a flying saucer or B) a rocket. Sphere would be better than saucer in engineering sense, pressure distribution and so on, but saucer quite efficient when it comes to space utilization. The saucer was supposed to be act as lifeboat in case of destruction of rest of ship even in TOS, but it was never separated due to budget constraints.

If you want a realistic space ship in hardcore scifi way.. it's either a tube or sphere. Depending do you have to separate things like propulsion, sensors and living quarters from each other, if it's that way you end up with tube.

Almost everyone that was on that show is dead or close to dying.

It feels bad.

How much dindu could a xindu dindu if a xindu dindu nuffin

Some of the premises' of the series episodes are shit, I agree. That doesn't mean JJs movies are good. I enjoyed the special effects, however it shouldn't have come at the cost of established plot, setting, species characteristics (e.g. klingons), etc.

Yeah, I'm kinda annoyed. Star Trek is one of the few series I like, and it looks like Discovery is going to be a shit show as well.

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kys my man

>Xindu nuffins
my sides are in the delta quadrant

My sides have already passed through the negative energy barrier at the edge of the galaxy and have been imbued with godlike powers

scrotum-centaurs

>trekies are just mad that warhammer40k is kicking their ass again.

Star Trek is a cultural icon while 40k is at most quite niche and at most only known by the mainstream in Bongland.

It's kind of sad that Blizzard were able to take concepts from Fantasy and possibly 40k and make proliferate them so with Warcraft and Starcraft.

>It was literally made for the sake of a good setting.

lmao

It was a setting literally made to help sell a disparate range of models and so that GW was no longer shackled to relying solely on others. Any 40k fan that has been around at least a little while will tell you how so many parts of it lifted from other series, some of which are known and others obscure. One of the things it did do well however was make these various aspects of settings work well enough together.

There is even stuff in Rogue Trader and possibly other earlier books to suggest that the writers didn't see it as a serious setting, on the other hand those just could have been British attempts at humor.

40k isn't really science fiction either, but space fantasy. Outside of perhaps Forgeworld material they don't attempt to actually explain how anything works with hard science or give the indication that anything is based on actual current or plausible science. At most the models that are made draw inspiration from things that exist in our world.

Honestly as a fan of 40k I find it pretty annoying that Cred Forums, particularly the Trump parts, have latched on to it and seemingly believe that the Imperium is actually something to be aspired to rather than seeing almost all of it to be an example of how arrogant and disgusting humanity is.

Both series are extremely popular among the meme generation. Star Trek is just more so.

>I agree with this, not everyone that wants to live on the beach can do so. There is only so much shoreline.

Perfect virtual reality. Majority of people might be living their dream on their own holodeck and numbing their brain with wicked cool replicated hallucinogens. Overachievers would enlist in star fleet.

>Almost everyone that was on that show is dead or close to dying.

Sad but true. Today I looked for photo of bill cosby for a shitpost... ran into Jerry Doyle's site and.... this.

youtube.com/watch?v=t7X23C6-VJ8

>and it looks like Discovery is going to be a shit show as well.

Feels bad man.

>There is even stuff in Rogue Trader and possibly other earlier books to suggest that the writers didn't see it as a serious setting,

Pic related.

klingons were way better looking in JJ's movie if you're talking about aesthetics
seemed more like a real alien race rather than ugly space orc mongols

I really haven't seen much evidence of that and at most any popularity that 40k gets is through the video game licenses that use it (Dawn of War is how I first found out about it). However not every person who plays the video games goes on to look into the series further, usually it seems like they just read the wikis that are available online and spout outdated memes, some of which don't make sense.

The hard thing with stuff like that image is that thirty years have passed and without actually talking to the original writers it's hard to say whether the intention was a joke setting with some serious elements or a serious setting with some joke elements.

When you have the creator saying that the Horus Heresy is supposed to be Paradise Lost, that implies the latter.

Depending on what reasons you like Star Trek, you may also like The Expanse.

Only one season is out, so far, however its very good (in my opinion). It doesn't have the same leftist idea of utopia, its far more... realistic. Racial conflicts are a thing of the past, and instead conflicts are based on economics and ideology.

My problem isn't with the aesthetics, its with the fact that JJ shit all over the established aesthetics.

By the meme generation, I mean the culture we have here on this board and basically every other imageboard which isn't totally cucked. you can't deny WH40k's popularity here.

Funnily enough I was talking mostly about Cred Forums.

That picture makes the most sense out of anything Cred Forums has ever posted

I like the one where riker fucks up his mission and they need to do a first contact scenario early and the aliens freak out. And the scientist alien lady asks to go with them at the end

Picard: I'm not sure you're prepared for the realities of space travel

Scientist: I've been prepared for the realities of space travel ever since I was a 9 year old girl at the planetarium

This part always struck me as one of the most powerful, and underrated, moments of the show

>it's hard to say whether the intention was a joke setting with some serious elements or a serious setting with some joke elements.

It might be both at same time. Any RPG or table top game setting is written by tons of authors, all of them have different visions. Quite often they don't even try to make it fully unified in tone.

>When you have the creator saying that the Horus Heresy is supposed to be Paradise Lost, that implies the latter.

RPG's usually rip off tons of things in those. When rulebooks fluff material includes thoughts of day saying basically do not use Emperors optical fibers in vain or face inquisition... it's satire all the way. Just less subtle on some occasions than others. Rogue Trader had way lighter tone than almost anything since it. Stuff became darker and bit more serious when kids got interested in it in larger numbers.

>klingons were way better looking in JJ's movie if you're talking about aesthetics
You're wrong.

>Depending on what reasons you like Star Trek, you may also like The Expanse.

I'll have to check that out.

>It doesn't have the same leftist idea of utopia, its far more... realistic.

When it comes to why Trek is utopian, explanation is pretty simple, world was going trough some of coldest parts of the Cold War back then.

Almost all other scifi shows are darker than Trek. Even contemporaries like Prisoner.

>>It might be both at same time. Any RPG or table top game setting is written by tons of authors, all of them have different visions. Quite often they don't even try to make it fully unified in tone.

In the grand scheme of things 40k may have changed, but since Rogue Trader apparently only had one author, the creator who also said the Horus Heresy is akin to Paradise Lost, I don't think there would be much divergence about the tone of 40k until at least the second edition.

The Thought of the Day stuff you see could actually be serious given the culture of the Imperium.

nah. you're just used to the originals.
if you look at it from an objective standpoint the originals are pretty shitty design.
though their spaceships are pretty decent looking

>seemed more like a real alien race rather than ugly space orc mongols

JJ's Klingons are pretty much same as Klingons had been since the motionless picture. They look better because they had way higher budgets than TOS had.

Lots of fluff stuff was published in contemporary white dwarfs. There were tons of authors involved even then.