Are you christian Cred Forums?

And why should i become a christian. I find it hard to believe

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Jesus = Jew

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Arn: Knight templar is based.

The TV series expands it more than the film and is closer to the books.

Jesus = dirty kike

No, but I support and respect them. The ten commandments are excellent rules to live by, and discourage degenerate behavior.

It's meant to be hard to believe, that is why it is faith. :^)

Arn is brilliant

good point

rally makes you think :')

kike nonsense

No, Teutonic got BTFO by superior pagan Lithuanians btw.

The end is so sad, I've not watched it since Sweden went sharply over the cliff, it will just make the ending even more painful.

Been a long time since i saw Arn, aldo his shield looks like that of the Teutonic order i dont think Arn is in the group.

Been way too long for me too, gotta watch it soon

Do the series not the film.

indeed

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I want to get impregnated by Varg

Read em

There is a series? I love the books.

I'm a Pagan

Do you believe in god?

No they aren't. They go against nature
>Thou shalt not covet
bullshit

If you don't sin Jesus died for nothing.

Now go be gay and christian so you can save the world from "degeneracy".

Yeah, the film is basically the series heavily edited. The series is much more like the books, it still isn't long enough to get all the nuance of the books but its much better than the film.

Ask him to donate his sperm.
it's obvious that that you are thinking of christianity because of the movie and it purely emotional. don't make that mistake, don't convert to the kike cult.

>They go against nature

I don't understand this argument.

We are natural, so how can we go against nature?

Alternatively, nothing we do is natural, so we should go back to living in mud huts.

The same people who have spent trillions to destroy the culture and genetics of your ancestors have also worked to sabotage and subvert Christianity.
This isn't rocket science.

Lust and jealousy are all natural feelings, yet Christianity punishes you for giving into those feelings.

>What kind of blue pill becomes less poplar?

Smoking

haha that could be the case i see that. But no i find christianity hard to believe and i wanted a cool pic

Jesus was a Jew, but he trolled other Jews hard by bringing their super-exclusive 1337 religion to plebs which made the former butthurt.

Believe in Jesus for he was the biggest troll.

You got something better to believe in then smart guy?

>see a jew wandering your country and subverting the masses with heresy
>ask (((him))) politely to stop calling himself the son of god
>he doesn't
>he continues wandering around speaking to growing crowds of degenerates and cripples, upsetting thousands of years of social hierarchy and tradition
>he chimps out in a temple because he hates the free market
>pisses off money hungry jews this time
>finally crucify him
>plan backfires and he's seen as a martyr, his followers make up stories about how he rose from the dead and performed miracles
>empire crumbles
>becomes home of the christian religion that spreads across the world
>how do (((They))) keep getting away with it?

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What did you put that pagan nazi flag? do you not know Nazis planned to get rid of Christianity after war?
Christianity was heavily influenced by Europeans, but there is no reason to accept it, Jesus was a jew, Israelites were jews, khazars were not Jews.
Muhammad also talked shit about Jews who didn't convert to his cult, I guess Islam is based now?

I have actually had religious experiences. If that is what you are asking. And yes, it was christ and not some other "god concept".

Happened right before i was going to hang myself. Really incredible experience, changed my reality and i never went back since.

Christ is real user, god exists and loves you.

Read the sticky m8

God forgives our faults. We suppose to try , that's it.

>That retarded khazar shit again
davidduke.com/rethinking-khazar-theory/

They were tax collecting in a church, not selling stuff.

You should have hanged your self, you pussy. you were so scared that you imagined shit and came up with excuses, but you can correct that now.

No idiot. It just defeats the argument that jesus was a jew in the modern sense of the word.

Yes he practiced judaism but basically brought the religion ahead of itself by fulfilling the prophecies. The whole argument "Jesus was a Jew" essentially ignores the fact that christ was god.

If he is god, then it does not matter what religion he was born into, if he established christianity. Then that christianity is the way the truth and the light as he (god) said it is.

Men from judea were called jews in the bible and decended from abraham as did christ. In this sense christ is a jew. But did he like the selling out of the church for cash? No he condemned it with fierce anger.

The whole point of hating jews here is because of bolshevism. marxism. leftism. Socialism and all contaminated fields of thought espoused by jewish intellectuals or the elites that fund them. The average jew makes no difference in the world.

Christianity is diametrically and dialectically opposed to these philosophies. Even an elementary look proves this. Luther was famous for his criticism of jews. Christ criticized the jews for their stubbornness and failure to keep the covenant.

The enemy of the enemy is my friend.

I believe in aliens.

Nope.

Excommunicated when I joined the Masons.

I still love you though, Jesus. Sorry about the mortal sin and shit.

Not my imagination, the perception was distinctly external. No history of schizophrenia also my entire perception of reality changed. By all manner of introspective and scientific classification it was a spiritual experience.

No matter how much you want to convince your feeble atheist mind it wasnt. Its only your failure to seek the truth that keeps your heart in the dark. Pathetic and weak willed.

I feel sorry for you. Living such a limited life deluded into believing god does not exist. When the very ideas you hold about reality, morality, the social contract, cannot exist without at the very least a deistic metaphysics. Except for you, such a metaphysics is totally empty less the things you arbitrarily put into it.

You know what this means? No probably not, because you are an atheistic retard that needs everything spelled out for you.
It means you are deluded. Your entire "belief system" that god does not exist is based entirely on emotions and not on fact, or objective philosophy/morality.

You athiests are about as deluded and pathetic as they get.

>what is Judea and why do they hate Jews
Israel isn't Gods chosen people. The Judeans are. The Judeans are the lineage of David. The Jews of Israel are mostly the pharisees vipers.

He didn't fulfill all the prophecies you moron, he promised to do it the second time.
Christ was a god, is not an argument, you have no way to prove it.
Selling out church for cash doesn't make you Jewish or not Jewish. christianity teaches you not to be proud, to love your enemy, that life is just a test, that being rich and successful is bad, he was an ancientcommie.
Muhammad and ahmeds are known for criticism of Jews too retarded faggot, he criticized Jews who didn't follow him because he was butthurt just like Muhammad that they didn't convert.

I'm not an atheist, I'm agnostic you moron.

I'm dating a Christian girl as a Bhudist.

I go with her to church every now and then to keep her happy.

But why the FUCK can't it be like going to my temple?! Not to criticize Christianity but fuck I hate it. It's boring (to the point I unironically tell my gf I want to go to a black church instead) and just miserable.

Going to the temple is a blast. It's a fucking potluck basically. Bring food, pray and do the precepts, and eat and mingle with people....LIKE A COMMUNITY.

>that being rich and successful is bad
Sure, love how hard you fell for the leftist propaganda. They have been trying to subvert and coopt the faith for the longest time. Here is a sound response
>Yes, it is perfectly fine for Christians to become wealthy, and there is nothing in the Bible that forbids Christians from gaining large amounts of money. The problem is that the love of money is the root of all sorts of evil (1 Tim. 6:10). Jesus said that you cannot serve both money and God at the same time: “No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will hold to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon (wealth),” (Matt. 6:24). Jesus is not saying that it is sinful to be rich. Jesus is telling us that the problem is when Christians start putting their faith, hope, and security in their money (and it becomes their master) rather than God. At this point, they become idolaters and fail to serve the true God.

>christianity teaches you not to be proud
Humility is what the church teaches. The atmosphere of rational humility is what resulted in the creation of science. Also the difference between humble and hubris is the difference between Trump and Hillary (respectively). Trump is skilled and confident but he does not look down on others and so is not "proud". Despite his large ego.

>to love your enemy
To see the enemy as human ultimately. Keep in mind this is not during the modern day times of peace and human dignity. CHRIST INSTITUTED THIS DIGNITY. More importantly, in peoples personal lives and dramas, it was a mindless hate of their enemies that brought death and misery to peoples lives. This was cyclical and followed the "eye for an eye" which makes everyone blind.

>he criticized Jews who didn't follow him because he was butthurt
He criticized hypocritical and vile jews. literally every confrontation with pharisees. God you atheists are dumb as fuck

Oh an "im not sure if god exists, better leave it in the air so i dont get associated with atheists" Fuck you. Agonstics like you are pussies and are only one step better than deluded atheists.

oh well excuse me, i didn't know that doubt made you better than I

at the end of the day, you're subverting and coopting the faith to fit with your own ideals. all the shit you're typing is up for interpretation and/or completely lost in translation.

It's like when Jesus said to his followers

>Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.

You coopt it and try to rationalize and deconstruct his words, but at the end of the day, you're just using the same cognitive dissonance as the leftists you claim to be against.

Game over, cuck.

I cant believe this meme gets posted everytime. How did the skypes outplay Cred Forums on this one?

OP here is a really good set of reasons:
youtu.be/x-eUnj1ATMc

1) Its the foundation of western civilization
2) Its not islam
3) Its not judaism
4) Universal absolute morality
5) Faith & Reason

Regarding faith and reason (from the previous pope):
>Intellect and faith are not foreign or antagonistic to divine Revelation, they are both prerequisites for understanding its meaning, for receiving its authentic message, for approaching the threshold of the mystery. The Catholic faith is therefore rational and also nurtures trust in human reason.

If you need others, check out this channel:
youtube.com/user/InspiringPhilosophy

Because you'll live a better life following the advice given. Especially proverbs

No, and I never have been, it's a big part of why I ended up on this websight in 2003.
t. Originalfag.

Don't

Organized religion is one of the worst evils created by man. There has been more death and destruction in the name of religion than anything else.

What kind of Christianity is the dankest?

I live in Germany but If I'd become a Christian I would join an American Church like Baptism or Presbyterianism because I'm an Ameriboo desu

>at the end of the day, you're subverting and coopting the faith to fit with your own ideals. all the shit you're typing is up for interpretation and/or completely lost in translation.
> Using the retarded CTR Pepe

Its called dogma. Holy fuck you know so little about religion. Do you know there is such a thing as "cannon" and interpretation for most scriptures is not "open ended"? While all interpretations have some merit, not all are "correct". Your "interpretations" are retarded and based entirely on leftist propaganda you sad little agnostic cuck.

>Muh camel eye meme

How about this?
Matthew 22
“Then he sent some more servants and said, ‘Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet.’
5 “But they paid no attention and went off—one to his field, another to his business. 6 The rest seized his servants, mistreated them and killed them. 7 The king was enraged. He sent his army and destroyed those murderers and burned their city."

Matthew 21
When the harvest time approached, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his fruit.
35 “The tenants seized his servants; they beat one, killed another, and stoned a third. 36 Then he sent other servants to them, more than the first time, and the tenants treated them the same way. 37 Last of all, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said.
38 “But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him and take his inheritance.’ 39 So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.
40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?”
41 “He will bring those wretches to a wretched end,” they replied, “and he will rent the vineyard to other tenants, who will give him his share of the crop at harvest time.”

He is talking about the jews that put money over god idiot.

I find atheism hard to believe. Think of existence. Why does existence exist? Why are we experiencing reality? Why is there something instead of nothing?

The only reasonable answer to me is that there was a transcendent, metaphysical, cause beyond our realm of matter and energy.

If you can buy that, which I think is pretty plausible, then it's not a large leap to believe that the cause of existence was a God.

>the retarded CTR pepe
wew newchristfag pls go

I am agnostic that what makes sense for me. christianity is retarded, illogical, there may be some god, but definitely not your Jehovah. I would associate myself with atheist if they are not marxist kikes and pussies, Mussolini was an atheist.

I'm sure I'm way better than you, but that's not what I said.

why are you a Ameriboo?

LMFAO oh god the "muh evil religion"
Except literally 50% of all religious deaths are from islam (the most political religion) and all modern deaths (Mao, Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Pol Pot) are due to secular replacements for religion. How are you this retarded. Religion does not cause people to kill others far less when it explicitly condemns these behaviors. It is politics that causes violence ALWAYS.

Anglicanism is completely benign by comparison.

Fuck you atheist niggers love to complain about the evil history of the church then suddenly recoil when blacks ask for reparations. Fucking nigger hypocrite atheists.

foundation of western civilization and everything good about west is Pagan and European philosophy.
I know it's hard being a nigger and admiting that whites are great, not christians. but you have to face reality some day nigger.

why? why are you an Ameriboo. I dont understand you Germans

You misunderstand the verse because you don't know it's context.

Matthew 19:23-26
>Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
>And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

>When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

>But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

The immediate next thing said by Jesus is that through God all things are possible. That is the point of the parable. That through God all things are possible, even a rich man entering the kingdom of God.

What do you think a Christian is?

That's a lie sold to you by kikes. Don't be naive.

My church is a bunch of elderly white people who literally plan for months, and spend significant amounts of money, so that they can travel to third world countries and help impoverished people.

Most churches foremost objective is to accomplish some sort of good in the world. The view you have of the church has been constructed by bitter atheists for political reasons.

German pagans would still be fucking deer in the bushes if it were not for christianity lead western civilization you dumb nigger. It completely absorbed and expanded on roman philosophy and gave it a form of moral establishment that it needed in order to provide rational authority without intellectual hubris.

You dumb nigger

Pagan (Druidic) philosophies did nothing for the world.

As for philosophy in rome. The reason paganism lost is because the christian forefathers argued against them rationally and WON. You cannot have multiple gods without all gods being "false" except for the original god. Also, aristotles philosophies were used to prove divides in society were divinely ordered. something that is entirely based on faith but otherwise completely foolish.

Always falling for the leftist nigger memes

I am white you georgian cuck

You didn't think I would read all that shit did you, christcuck?

your argument is done, it's simply has no basis in reality. anyone can take cryptic messages and try to fit it into their own narrow world views. why are there are 30,000 denominations in christianity if you are so convinced that jesus was clear and explicit in what he was saying. Why are you so arrogant and naive to believe that your interpretation out of the millions of others is correct?

The answer is because you're a cuck who think he's a special snowflake.

BTFO

>Why are you so arrogant and naive to believe that your interpretation out of the millions of others is correct?
>Interpretations
>Somehow denies objective reality and history

You are a fucking retard that literally needs every single detail in life spelled out for you. Pathetic.

There IS only one christianity. The one CHRIST brought to the world and established as practice with the first pope peter and the early church. The current tradition of Catholicism best reflects this. Literally every other denomination does not. God you atheists are so fucking dumb its amazing how you can tie together facts about the world

>huh gravity exists but wait, none of the 10 theories of gravity is exact about what gravity is! therefore its all fake
POTTERY
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Germans pagans were not fucking deer in the bushes, western civilization was roman, had nothing to do with Christianity.
Greeks and Romans were pagans you moron, you are going to druids, when it's not relevant, christianity still has pagan influence.

>As for philosophy in rome. The reason paganism lost is because the christian forefathers argued against them rationally and WON. You cannot have multiple gods without all gods being "false" except for the original god. Also, aristotles philosophies were used to prove divides in society were divinely ordered. something that is entirely based on faith but otherwise completely foolish.
Did you hear people, christians said that youu can't have many gods without them being false and then pagan got btfo and accepted christianity, that is exactly what happened

>Always falling for the leftist nigger memes
Paganism is right wing, Fascist in Europe>

>I am white living in Caribbean nigger shithole
Sure tyrone

>Are you christian Cred Forums?
No, I'm not a superstitious dumbass.
>And why should i become a christian
You shouldn't, it's universalist jew garbage.

I'm Christian, but also pagan, buddhist and kekist. Loyalty to one god is for chumps

>mfw i find out he's a fucking catholic
>Catholicism is the one true denomination
>literally a religion of spics and pro-refugee cucks
>Compares ancient works of fiction to an easily measurable force

MY.
SIDES.

>Loyalty to one god is for chumps
But that's exactly what the Christian god demands.

>ANCIENT western civilization was roman, had nothing to do with Christianity
Caligula
Claudius
Nero

All 'god' emperors that fucking near destroyed Rome. Paganism at its finest, then again i suppose you atheists and agnostics do like the pedos and gays which the ancient romans fucking loved.

Christianity saved it from complete and inevitable collapse and after its fall, preserved all the documents and rational traditions.
ALL western tradition beyond that and even from that is largely catholic christian influenced.
The use of reason is not pagan nor is the employment of mathematics cunt. The reason why the church is strong is because it actually THRIVES from challenge and the discovery of truth.

You were fucking lied to nigger. Without christianity i would not be arguing with you on a tibetan basket weaving forum from my beautiful warm nigger country.

most people on here are like that. when people say Deus Vult, they worship Dyēus the pagan indo-European chief God.

why not? It's the greatest county of all time

I don't believe in the god of the old testament, but I do believe in Jesus, but I believe he was Kek's son

To the gravity straw man:
GPS
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Jesus = Jew

>>Cred Forums christian ... pff...
Cred Forums is mormon you newfag. 5 wives.

>Compares a scientific interpretation of our measurement of said force to phenomenology of said interpretation
>No evidence other than senses used
>Icantbelieveitsnotsolipsism

The idea that gravity exists is not disputed because something which we refer to as gravity is measured. However its not that gravity exists that is disputed but HOW it exists.

God exists so the question is not if he exists. But granted that he does, which interpretation is correct as per your statement before. If all the 30k theories accept nearly all of the crucial facts about gods nature (except a few extremes) and we can logically use history and reason to decide the truth behind "claims to authenticity". It stands that regardless of the 30k interpretations. The objective reality of gods existence is the same just the interpretations are different to varying degrees of heresy.

Why the fuck do you think theology exists.

You niggers need to be spoon fed everything.
>muh 30k denominations
Pottery

religion by definition is a meme

Because your a godless Pagan worshiping the earth

Wow you named some emperors, what am I going to do now, completely debunked paganism.

where in Paganism does it instruct people to be gay or pedos? Christians are known for fucking boys too.

Christianity didn't save it, it collapsed and some of the barbaric Germans that invaded were actually christian too, vandals were christian. they didn't preserve many things, they monopolized knowledge, they were writing and preserving religious shit, if earlier bunch of hobos were philosopher, great ones btw, now education wasn't as accessible. even now less christian countries have higher IQ.
>The reason why the church is strong is because it actually THRIVES from challenge and the discovery of truth.
Church isn't strong retard and it doesn't, Christianity discourages people from Human knowledge

>You were fucking lied to nigger. Without christianity i would not be arguing with you on a tibetan basket weaving forum from my beautiful warm nigger country.
Who lied to me? everyone around me is a christian.
without Christianity we would not be here, because niggers would have been exterminated and we wouldn't have had problems with marxist and anti nationalists, because we don't love our enemies, we put their heads on pikes.

>Deus Vult

Occams rasor:
Deus vult
1) direct translation of 'god wills it' from latin, a rally cry like "build the wall"
2) completely pagan heresy espoused by devout catholics over the loss of territory to muslims despite contradictions in faith and intent

Hmm really vibrates the almonds

I think we've broken him Cred Forums. Never have I see a more desperate attempt to rationalize such blatant cuckery. at this point, all that needs to be said:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus
"God", chief pagan god of Indo-Europeans.

this imagine is retarded, and I'm a Christian. I wish people would stop posting it. The next line in the passage mentions giving the same man ytour coat if he asks for your coat. it's obvious that Jesus meant to reward malice with charity - not some nu age perversion of a graceful response into some kind of edgy nothin personnel kid resistance act.

youtube.com/watch?v=nSCuej5A12E

Presbyterian here. Can confirm it's the dankest of Christianity. One of the only denominations that hasn't cucked to the homofags. The Presbyterian Church in America cucked to the queers, but my denomination remains firm in its opposition to ordaining open faggots. Once Trump gets in, come over to the states and convert, Jurgen. We could always use more patriotic white people.

christianity is a meme that weakned europe just like marxism, you fucking whites keep falling for the dumbest memes

Deus - Latin for "god" or "deity".

How are you fuckers so completely mentally inflexible. Its like you are a child.

>No a box cannot also be red. It is a box.

Do you honestly have no idea how semantics or semiotics work?
This is like living inside a dad joke how have you not suffocated from forgetting to breathe.

theists are shit tier compared to atheists, christians are the niggers of ideology, once we kill off the niggers and the and the arabs, and the muslims you are next.

>Lust and jealousy are all natural feelings

Its not you just think it is , the biggest jewish lie is that they made you belief that you cannot change and that you are a beast.

16And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there. 17I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work. 18I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts. 19For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity. 20All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. 21Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

sounds real nice familio

getting a green card is pretty tough though, my best shot is probably gonna be finding an American qtgf and marrying her

Which god do Christians worship? Yahweh, the Jewish god. Swallow the pill. The jews tricked you, yet again. They are great at trickery, we know this.

Non argument you pathetic atheist. keep living in your nice little blue pilled reality. Where everything is nice and comfy and meaningless.

>One of the only denominations that hasn't cucked to the homofags
God bless your church for not bending to the gays

>it's obvious that Jesus meant to reward malice with charity
Yes but this does not deny its effect or purpose. It was to point out the hypocrisy of his actions or the wicked inhumanness of it. Think about what jesus did to the pharisees and why. Think about it for a second and this will make far more sense. Christ wants to point out just how wrong it was in an obvious fashion to remove dignity from the equation. He wants people to respect and love eachother but such a society cannot exist if we do not dignify one another. Whether you realize it or not this was a form of "proving" the superiority of christs way and is why many people converted to christianity. It made more sense and forced evil men to confront their evils.

He did not want them to become hopeless when persecuted but he also did not want them to lash out violently but establish dignity. It was the smartest possible path and the exact one that Christ took.

>christcucks

Uh, "god's particle" was just a media gimmick for that boson.
The problem with religion vs science is that in the last few centuries we learned a lot more about the structure and organisation of our world and became able not only to measure it but to use it to improve every aspect of our lives to a great extent.

Religion, however, mostly remained about preserving old books and teaching ethics. The problem is that teaching ethics can be done without it. A man, who is kept from an unlawful or unethical deed by a fear of some menacing entity that will punish him after death, is worthless.

We need to separate "absolute truth" from "relative truth". The latter is human knowledge at any given time be it a millennium or a century ago or now. This is what science operates, some concept might be proven wrong, something new might be discovered, thus our knowledge growing towards the unattainable absolute one. Religion, however, — any religion — operates on a basis that it has the absolute truth and that you trust their word for it.

There is not only many different interpretations of Christianity, there are many other religions beyond Abrahamic ones, and all of them have different concept of god, or multiple gods. You write them off as paganism, but for what reason?

Do you worship Jesus? Or do you worship Yahweh? Actually they are the same, as you know. You have been cucked by the jews. They want you to worship their god so that you have to protect them. This is basic shit.

The jews outplayed everything , name one alt righter who is not a jew or jew lover

How do you know it's "Yahweh"? If anything it's YHWH... Or JHVH-1. Probably a satellite.

explain how this is a bad thing

alt-right, the antisemitic version: full retard
alt-right, but Philosemitic and Zionist: most patrician political ideology possible

because Semitism isn't Aryan
and despite what Hitler said
Christ is not Aryan

>The problem with religion vs science is that in the last few centuries we learned a lot more about the structure and organisation of our world and became able not only to measure it but to use it to improve every aspect of our lives to a great extent.

Religion vs science is a meme. Religion actively supports science and is by far more important to society than science. If christianity were truly against science it would have NEVER have developed due to its incredible majority. it would have just become like islam is today. WHICH IT HAS NOT.

Christianity defines truth as absolute. Therefore science cannot contradict scripture. If there is a contradiction, it happens at the level of interpretation. In this way science helps us to understand the faith while the faith helps us to keep reason purposeful.

> A man, who is kept from an unlawful or unethical deed by a fear of some menacing entity that will punish him after death, is worthless.

You do know the science directly contradicts this right? How the fuck are you guys still alive believing all the garbage without question. Its literally the exact opposite finding.

>Religion, however, — any religion — operates on a basis that it has the absolute truth and that you trust their word for it.

Yes, especially when the absolute truth operates in the exact manner that absolute truth should. Ever increasing precision and revision based on the establishment of truth. The catholic way.

Not all scientific theories are truthful interpretations. The recent one about "moral choice does not exist" is not only harmful but philosophically inaccurate. It assumes a deterministic universe which if taken as true actually results in more evil across all forms of human activity.

Religion preserves the value of 'free will' in a way that science or philosophy cannot on their own and so keeps science from becoming untruthful or destructive.

Yep, keep following their rules. Can't say Yahweh, fuck vowels. Christianity was and is the biggest hoax they ever perpetuated. And they did it violently. Don't be a toy.

What is the trinity for $250

>the trinity
>YHWH divided by 3

Insane shit fed to you by jewish people that want you to worship their god. A thing can't be 3 things at the same time. Ultimately you worship YAHWEH, good goy

Uh, non-Jews were prohibited from entering the Holy Temple (en.wikisource.org/wiki/Bible_(King_James)/Acts_of_the_Apostles#21:28). He couldn't have preached there if he wasn't a Jew. Ergo, he was one.

reclaimingthemind.org/blog/2009/08/the-trinity-is-like-3-in-1-shampoo-and-other-stupid-statements/
> like 3-in-1 shampoo: three activities, one substance.
Nice modalism, how much more are you going to show your ineptitude in catholic theology?

> The error here is that this is contrary to what we believe: one God who eternally exists in three persons, not modes of functionality. It is not one God with three names, but one God in three persons.

>one God in three persons
YHWH multiplied by 3

>A thing can't be 3 things at the same time
I'm sure you know everything about how an infinitely powerful being would function.

then why does YHWH limit himself to 3

If you pray and ask whether the Bible, BoM, Koran or the Gita are true will God tell you?

Because he chose to.

I choose otherwise

Why dont you ask him yourself? Find out his reasoning for it instead of asking us. I mean if you are assuming divine knowledge is possible for man it means with absolute certainty that you are capable of such communications.

Pretty sure that deciding the nature of God is not up to you.

YHWH doesn't exist except in the minds of fanatical believers
how would you know

Every organized religion was written by some douchebags a few thousand years ago. But, overall its good for people to have a root structure on their behavior and make a happy life possible for everyone. So just pick one. They're all good except islam which has a book that says kill everyone. That one isnt really a religion but a death cult that got out of hand. ALl the other ones for the most part are good. Pick the stories you like the best.

Because God is supposed to an independent being who makes his own choices. I hope you know that I'm not religious; just calling you out on your pointless autism.

bumping for this

dude did you even read the quote. It was talking about PAUL the apostle of Christ preaching to the JEWS
SAD

>be culturally Jewish goy
what makes you think I'm not independent and you are not a jackass?

What don't you understand. deus word comes from Indo-European god's name, how retarded can you chrisfags get?

a-a-are you okay user? I feel like your entire world views have been shattered.

please don't go on a shooting spree or something.

>calls us fanatics
>literally useless

kek
Enjoy your "culture"

Islam shit needs no explaination.. Catholics will live a happy wholesome life for the most part but most of them are judgemental, prissy assholes. All the ones in between ae the way to go...choose one.

>what makes you think I'm not independent
I never said you weren't. We were talking about God. Are you literally retarded?

Im not christian but I would gladly sign up for the crusades

not believing in Jewish desert deities doesn't imply atheism
I must be God then you retard

Natural and self destructive.

And what you do not understand is the word Deus also means god. Your idea of a contradiction is infantile at best

Just like allah means both "god" in the abstract sense (calling christ god in arabic is calling christ allah) and the concrete (allah is the islamic god, not YHWH)

>I must be God then you retard
Ok kid, you sure convinced me.

bump for answer

yeah modern cigaretts and tobacco companies was invented by jews to lower sperm quality of men to increase the speed of white extermination.

If you have to pray for the answer you already have it.

Semitic faith is garbage

I think everyone should keep their religion to themselves, since theres not one person on earth who knows the real truth. I go by my intuition. My intuition tells me that my consciousness is alive. I think that consciousness does not reside in the brain like everyone thinks. The brain is just a conduit that accumulates consciousness from somewhere we will never know while alive in these bodies/machines. When the body dies, your consciousness goes back to the collective somewhere, kind of like the borg.

>le Jewish god knows everything

I can't stand any of you traitors. And you are traitors. Cowards.

HAHAHA oh god nigger. One day you will wake up and look back on these moments and cringe like the sad little deluded man you are.

Sigh, you atheists are actually incapable of this reasoning and its so sad so sad. What a waste. Even in science reality is open ended. Its literally just you faggots that make the faith based assumption that what i believe is impossible.

And then use circular reasoning to prove it.

Atheism offers no hope to man. NO reason to be good. No authority upon which he should choose to do good other than himself. Who is selfish and hedonistic by default. Its no wonder secular societies collapse 40 times faster than normal societies. And the only truly atheistic society never advanced past the tribal phase.

It entirely feeds on christian society.

I meant that hey worship Deus the pagan god in indirect way, I understand it also means god, you are just autistic.
Allah actually was also a pagan chief God.

>"Defining" truth as "absolute".
There is no absolute truth, knowledge is relative. Religions are based on the level of knowledge available at the time.

>science directly contradicts this
Contradicts what? Exact opposite finding to what? I was saying that a man should be respectful of others and their property because of ethics he was taught and out of respect to the Criminal Code — not because he fears a divine judgement.

>"h-hey guys, worship the Jew god, it's your only hope! All the other gods are fake, it was just a ruse!

Disgusting. Really and truly disgusting.

???

Definitely man. Find an American girl, move to Montana, become a Presbyterian and have many children to help work on the cattle ranch and perpetuate our race.

Fuck our government though. We hand green cards out like candy to shitskins, wetbacks and Somaliniggers yet Europeans have to jump through hoops.

The answer varies. For many converts its christianity, but keep in mind praying to "gods" that are not true, is essentially the same as paganism for the one that is. So indiscriminate "prayer" is not logically smart if you are serious.

The best approach is to understand that if god is real then he is out there and can be communicated with. Try to reach him and ask with full honesty knowing the real importance of such an answer.

And if he is good (as he is in most of these religions) then he wants to reach out to you. Be honest, ask yourself what is the truth and notice which fulfills your spirit the most. Pay attention and do not impose your will on gods and the quest is always successful.

It will with 100% certainty end in christianity unless you are convinced by another's apologetic.

Going back on your agnosticism assessment. You're just as Naive as atheists? How is this? You belief based on no evidence, atheists dis believe based on no evidence, different opinion same bullshit propagation. I really want to see how much you actually know about agnosticism. Really come the fuck at me with your ad hominem and strawmen, Gilbert Ryle and a few causality arguments in philosophy are going to tear you down to be no better than the Athiest.

your average religious person everyone

>my intuition is right
>my feelings are right
>i trust only my feelings
>my brain is a conduit that accumulates consciousness from somewhere
>thousands of years of science don't mean anything to me cause i got this feeling
>i dont understand how the nervous system works so I'm going to act like thoughts are more than just electro-chemical reactions

>agnostics actually believe this

Agnosticism only refers to what you know, not what you believe. They are 2 different things. Any honest person is either and agnostic atheist or an agnostic theist.

>I meant that hey worship Deus the pagan god in indirect way
Sigh, the burden of proof is on you when Christians explicitly worship the trinity in intention and meaning.

You do not realize it but if there is a second definition for a word then there is no "implicit" worship. Worship is explicit by dogma and way of life.

Christians did not "worship christ at the altar of deus" they worshiped the trinity.

Did you even understand the context for that quote? The context was that entrance for non-Jews to the Holy Temple was forbidden under fear of death — as evidenced in this passage. There are numerous references that Jesus preached in the Temple (e.g. John 10:23).

Yes, they worship the jewish god. As I've stated, and you have ignored.

>my jew god is my reason for being good
>because i am a degenerate who would do harm to society without my magical kike father looking over me, so then is everyone else
>because i draw no meaning from life without god, so too should everyone else
>because I am selfish and would not be kind to others without the fear of god telling me to do so, so too is everyone else.

game.
set.
match.

christcuck

Exactly this.

>The answer varies. For many converts its christianity, but keep in mind praying to "gods" that are not true, is essentially the same as paganism for the one that is. So indiscriminate "prayer" is not logically smart if you are serious.

How do you tell the difference between the real God and false God/ deamons or some type of placebo effect?

> Be honest, ask yourself what is the truth and notice which fulfills your spirit the most. Pay attention and do not impose your will on gods and the quest is always successful.

That seems a tad problematic as it makes God real subjective. Ie someone with a real martial spirit might find Islam more fulfilling, likewise Buddhism or Taosim might be more fullfilling due to their therapeutic effects.

Agnostics are simply neutral, but the claim that you are no better than the Athiest still stands, philosophically both of your unjustifiable beliefs are held in contempt on the basis of no evidence. Truth doesn't agree with morality and Logic all the time, all 3 fucking hate each other when it comes to Faith vs Evidence. The reason why I'm hostile to your belief is not because I'm a biased Agnostic Athiest, I'm actually a thiest but it amazes me that the temperament and ire you project completely goes against your morality, where you actually come out on top of Athiesm, but Athiesm has you in logic. You both how ever are morally and logically wrong. When you both try to instigate that the universe was created or has always existed the issue results in infinite regression or some arguement based on causality but only implies finite when you need infinite as a reference for finite to exist.

>I was saying that a man should be respectful of others and their property because of ethics he was taught and out of respect to the Criminal Code — not because he fears a divine judgement.

You atheists look down on good people so much yet the exact finding is that. Without a divine judge, people are significantly less prosocial. Also if this divine judge does not have any threat of hell, then the effect of belief in god on prosociality is minimized to nearly nothing.

Ethics is worthless emotionality without a metaphysics to grant humanity meaning and value. Said metaphysics is also meaningless without a method for establishing meaning that is congruent to meaning. A god is necessary and the good vs evil concept is necessary.

Atheists are held in restraint literally by violence and exclusion alone (rule of law). Christians are held in restraint by both rule of law and law of god. Man should be good regardless of philosophy but if we know that man is better with god. Then why insult those who have god if they help to make society better for you?

Enjoy some good reasoning here:
www2.psych.ubc.ca/~henrich/pdfs/ShariffNorHenReligionChapter_final sep26.pdf

But plenty of that is fucking false - like the claim that the founding fathers were Christians. Go google 'religious opinions of Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, Benjamin Franklin, etc.'

Christianity obviously had historical significance and did good things for us. You can respect something without accepting it.

Yes I'm Roman Catholic

Yes or me it has been a great thing and helped me in life an I have a certainty in God. . Say a little prayer quietly each day when you have some peace before you sleep.

Gnosticism = know Agnosticism = don't know

It's that simple. Like I said, any HONEST person is an agnostic as far as what they know. What they BELIEVE is different, and irrelevant for the most part, but the lack of evidence should result in everyone being agnostic atheists.

thanks for demonstrating your autism again.

>That seems a tad problematic as it makes God real subjective
The direct experience of god IS within consciousness. While the experience is subjective. It is indicative of an objective reality. You will understand if you are serious and honest.

>placebo effect
The placebo effect is the effect of faith on human reality.

I was going to kill myself with certainty. Then had a religious experience that was distinctly not from myself but deeply personal. Trust me, you will know. Demons do not satisfy the soul. Like lust, the best they do is promise reward but just consume your happiness and sense of dignity.

The fulfillment in god is very real user. People do not just go from clinically depressed to motivated for life and happy within 30 minutes.

Meh.

Hospitaliers for me please. I hold them in high regard.

A single man still sleeps alone in the fortress of St. Michelangelo

The Franciscians are the guardians.

When you need us we shall be there.

I am a penitent of war and would rejoice at being absolved in this way.

I think you missed the point with that part of my post and how that this objective reality seems to lead people to all different kinds of faiths - particularly those that are dominant in their own culture/environment.


>The fulfillment in god is very real user. People do not just go from clinically depressed to motivated for life and happy within 30 minutes

Until you are an 100 year old man its not really honest or serious to say that its worked for a life time.

>
I was going to kill myself with certainty. Then had a religious experience that was distinctly not from myself but deeply personal. Trust me, you will know. Demons do not satisfy the soul. Like lust, the best they do is promise reward but just consume your happiness and sense of dignity.

I had a Lebanese friend who had a similar experience with depression and he had a religious experience which led him to embrace Islam and become a happier and more motivated individual.

How am I to know which one of you is correct and which is being deceived?

>The context was that entrance for non-Jews to the Holy Temple was forbidden under fear of death

Which is why they kicked paul out.

>Jesus preached at the temple
Ofcourse, christianity is the natural evolution of judaism according to its own prophecies and the will of god. Judaism was not enough and did not work and so god sent his son to make it better. They killed him for it under the assumption that it was "blasphemies".

Christianity was only known as christianity when the jews/romans came up with a derogatory name for the "new jews" called "christains" based on their worship of christ.

Unlike the JEWS that focus too intensely on the law. Christ abolished the silly (no shrimp, one cloth) OT laws (keeping the dogma) and established a new covenant and law.

Enjoy luther's writings on the Jew
vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres9/Luthereng.pdf

Mind you that this article states that religions and their deities were created by humans through cultural development. Which is the opposite of what the Old Testament would say.

Religion is the opium of the people.

Belief is Irrational because you can never know anything. It's the fact that you're trying to separate yourself from Athiesm when they are literally the bi product of a declarative position to the question of God. Technically speaking, they are your Anti (which you probably know but others are reading too.) like I was saying, you guys literally operate the same. You both have irrational beliefs and therefore are deemed immoral from philosophical objectivity as far as either of you are concerned. You both have illogical arguments as well. Now I'm not saying that your wrong for the sake of trolling. But people do not understand that the concept of Athiesm is impossible without religion. Gilbert Ryle made a fals equilency to Agnosticism when he implied that it was moral to disbelieve when there is no evidence in a claim. (You'll like this.) he's was wrong because to implicate that Agnosticism and Athiesm was the same was completely illogical as far as philosophy was concerned. He was bias for Athiesm because at the time Decartes doctrine basically was all the rage in Europe. Decarte is the original father of Agnosticism, because of his Archimedial point thesis. (I am a thing that thinks, therefore I exist.) that was the start of Logical Agnostcism, before that we couldn't actually argue at all. We were attacked by both parties and had almost zero arguments for as to why we would abstain from making the decision. Now you've already conceded that belief is completely separate from logic. Athiesm can't really do much but use ad hominem. I just understand why you were so sporadic earlier.

I am a good person. Your idea of what i know and its value is all in your head. but the result is, I am better for it and you are not. My beliefs offer hope and yours does not. My beliefs encourage prosociality and yours do not. My beliefs engage a dialectic that respects science. YOURS DOES NOT.

Again, if atheism is so great, why have all the atheistic societies either failed, or never advanced passed the stone age?

Atheism is a jewish meme

>People do not just go from clinically depressed to motivated for life and happy within 30 minutes

No, they do not. It sounds like you've got some deeper issues there to deal with user. That level of depression can't just be cured magically by any religion that quickly. Maybe you had a moment of realization, but that was all you.

>Again, if atheism is so great, why have all the atheistic societies either failed, or never advanced passed the stone age?

Not agreeing with the other user but this is a lousy measure and indeed could have been used to demonstrate that Paganism and Chinese Folk Religions were the true faith centuries ago.

Yeah but it's popular on Cred Forums because liberal atheism is mainstream and the faggots on this board have to be contrarian

How many atheistic societies have there been?

But Jesus was a Jew. He wasn't kicked out...

>someone with a real martial spirit might find Islam more fulfilling
No. They will agree with islam more on the basis that it agrees with their political philosophy more. Political philosophy is different to truth and spirit in man. True fulfillment cannot come from these foolish systems.

Loving god is tremendously fulfilling but the catholic theology is so incredibly revealing and personally connecting it is hard to deny it in the face of others.

If you read up on islam you will find it immensely unsatisfying and filled with farces and evil contradictions.
1) Muhammed said to god "sever my aorta if i am not a prophet of allah". 4 years later died to poisoning by a jewish woman, described the pain "as if my aorta were being severed"
2) Said to trust the word of the bible as the law of allah, then contradicts the bibles account of christ. Bible also said there would be no other prophets after Christ.

Did not even read it. It is showing the necessity of religion in society and the importance of "high gods" its not a treatise in theology but proof of the obvious. That god is better than no god.

Confirmation bias is so strong with you niggers

I'm Neutral as far as I'm concerned, my beliefs are tied to my logic as far as I'm concerned, but I try to mediate between the religious and atheists. I thinks it's Agnostic duty to hold both sides for their bullshit at the same time for the sake of debate. I atleast know where both sides are coming from. It's basically cognitive dissonance but as long as I can understand the logical structures of their arguement I'm ok. The amount of debate between these groups has probably got more people killed than fundamentalism and nihilism combined. Fucking sad really. I can be a dick sometimes user, I admit it. But Agnosticism isn't a centrist position either. I just don't understand when people seem to latch out at us for 'not deciding on purpose.' There's perfectly rational and moral reasons for us to do it.

Ah now we are making progress.
I like to see that.

I dont give a shit if you "accept" or not. Your life not mine. But christianity is the most rational of all the alternative faiths. And catholicism/ orthodoxy is the most historically accurate.

>he forgets about the longest lasting and most influential civilizations
>who are Romans
>who are Greeks
>who are Egyptians
>who are any Asian empire

yeah all of these societies were stuck in the stone age

inb4

>THEY UNIRONICALLY BELIEVED IN PAGAN DIETIES AND BY EXTENSION ARE HONORARY CHRISTIANS DUH

pathetic

you should not

it is a trick

it literally ruined my country

muh cheek and shit

Mate it seems like you are just ignoring me and attacking the faith when the issue is how people come to it.

Why should I view your experiance as legitimate and the lebanese lad's one as illigitimate or vice-versa

He was killed, and his mother is descended from David from all accounts was blonde.

I understand the current difference and the progressional stance and major development of Christianity vs Islam. One has reformed and progressed while the other has no religious authority, which to be honest out of all of the branches I agree with ML's doctrine, it's ideal for secular government without the rigorous religious authority. I can respect people wanting to remove the pope from between them and Jesus. The Vatican is just a Theorcracy, which goes against Puritan belief obviously. I feel really bad for new Englanders during the 17th century. Cognitive dissonant as hell.

I'm a nondenominational rastaman shits cash

Jesus was real, people saw his miracles, so moved by his words they endured three centuries of brutal oppression with no hope in sight only to be delivered by God and become the most subscribed religious belief in the world.
Christianity talks about the inherent sin nature of mankind and of how all men are fallen. You can see this as even when mankind does something with the intent of being good through man only evil is done, medicine for example is a good thing but around it has sprung up a manipulative corporate culture and it has allowed so many people to live we have to consume more of the earth to sustain it.
Christianity preaches the true way of living by the grace of God, sell all your possessions and live only for God. The way of Jesus is a not impossible it's just our sin makes us attached to the things of the world and not God. Thankfully God sent his only son to die on the cross for the punishment of man, let him into your heart and one day this world will be purged of sin and a new world will come and things we be as they were before the fall.

Do you want me to guide you by the hand to god? There is a leap of faith user and it would be pathetic to expect me to do anything more than putting you before the crux of belief.

The onus is on you in your life beyond this thread on Cred Forums to actually ask god if you are authentically seeking him.

Catholicism is the one true universal faith and the true god. Islam is false because its prophet was a rapist murderer and a pedophile. That friends relationship with god is better served in the context of Catholicism and more than likely, he just has not understood the flaws of the "religion" he grew up with. But that does not mean it is any less genuine of a relationship or that god is any less real or complete.

I suggest you pray to god for a sign of some sort since you do not seem opposed to believing in god.

LOL
>atheist trying to tell me about my experiences
Sure user sure
im sure you know better about my own experience than i do.

fucking unbelievable it would be much easier and honest for you to say "i dont believe you". than to jump with such hubris as to assume your pathetic mind can even fathom the experience i had, granted that you have not experienced it yet.

All "law" only civilizations including the chinese failed miserably after time. Keep in mind, humans back then did not convert to christianity because it was the most reasonable. But because the good news of god really came like the refreshing drink of spirit that people longed for and lacked.

An awareness distinctly lacking in this thread.

christianity is not compatible with free market

if you show compassion they will use you

living in chastity is extremely hard, it reduces your productivity

satanism blends well with free market, which is just extreme egoism

it was the reason Hollywood was promoting satanic symbolism

You can uphold a lie but one day you will be found out , (((they))) said in the 50ees that smoking was healthy , but hitler knew the truth

Go on then, tell us about the magical experience you had with "God"

You should not view either of our experiences as illegitimate unless you can prove that we are lying. Something that honestly depends on your understanding of the nature of spiritual experience. These things have patterns to them in the way they influence perception of reality.

In the same manner as with all things in faith and science. It is interpretation where man goes wrong. Hence understanding the religion is more important to knowing which is right than understanding the specifics of his "god experience"

Christianity makes more sense, is more fulfilling, and i have a divine experience that radically shifted my sense of reality. But the radical experience only makes sense for me. The fact that christianity makes more sense (less severe contradiction) is objective and my arguments above are just short hand variations.

Also, when you need a law that says "you can join islam but leaving is called apostacy and is punishable by death" then you kinda question the "fulfilling" part. To beat the dead horse, despite the apostasy laws, conversion rates to and from islam are identical.

Any religion is better than no religion
Atheism is the bottom of the barrel.

>yet Christianity punishes you
Except it literally doesn't.

>Theorcracy
Only during times when the church and the government were the same entity. The modern church has a hierarchy but is not a theocracy (except in the Vatican). The church cannot tell any members to override the law except when it is tyrannical (illegal to worship marxist tier memes).

But i agree, i think ML did establish a doctrine that is ideal for secular government

rare af

Its wasted on you and the moment is not good for conveying it.

But what it felt like was blood flooding my entire body, immediate tears and feeling deeply and profoundly loved. Reality shifted from this grit dullness to this overwhelming sense of beauty and meaning. As though i had gained sight of a new color that overlapped everything and transformed it from a meaningless obervation to something filled with life. Religious passages in the bible that i found hard to understand before became distinctly real to me in a way that i could tangibly feel.

This feeling lives and burns in me and none of your banal nihilism can out it.

Even so. what a tragedy that a bunch of people, all perfectly capable of feeling so blessed and loved and satisfied. Trot around with pride cackling like hyenas.

I wish i could give you the joy of it. Just to see a different, bigger and more interesting world. No one deserves to live without this feeling. but it is not my duty nor is it within my ability.

Sometimes i wonder if this is why the gay leftists are so insecure. Because they have no god and so need endless reinforcement from their fake friends.

>any religion is better than no religion
>islam destroyed a prosperous and scientifically advanced polytheistic arab society

>any religion is better than no religion
>what is Confucianism, what is Buddhism, what is Shintoism and why do are they all compatible with llack of belief in a god?

>any religion is better than no religion
>what is scientific and cultural advancement, what is not understanding historical context for why superstition and religion existed, why is there correlation between low iq and religiosity

just give up cuck.

>only truly atheistic society is still a tribe
Still have not gotten past that faggot.

Atheism is meme tier.

Its not necesarry to demonstrate either of you are lying but it does call into question the idea that the kind of fulfillment you both have derived is proof of your mutually exclusive religions. For instance it could point to a panthesitic faith or simply that humans latching onto something that provides them comfort and alleviates stress.

>
Also, when you need a law that says "you can join islam but leaving is called apostacy and is punishable by death" then you kinda question the "fulfilling" part. To beat the dead horse, despite the apostasy laws, conversion rates to and from islam are identical.

The Christians punished practicing pagans and hertics with death so its not unique to Islam.

Because God loves you as his child, and as sin must be paid for in blood, he sent his only son Jesus as payment for your sins so you don't have eternal death. He wants the best for you which is why he gave us laws, problem is, we don't always follow them and we end up blaming God for all the bad shit. The true faith is obeying God's laws and commands, all of them, not this new age "saved by grace shit", but obeying all of God's laws like a Jew, but not being Jewy about it, and accepting Christ as the messiah and your saviour. I'm looking to join a messianic church as I'm becoming increasingly convinced that the true faith is messianic Judaism. Jesus was a Jew and followed all the commandments and never sinned, unlike the Pharisees and other Jews, but Jesus was also the messiah, the promised son, sacrifice, and king.

you've been utterly destroyed in this thread cuck.

it's funny you're going to go to sleep tonight feeling the seeds of self-doubt we have woven into your psyche.

you will try to deny it, but deep down you will know the truth and it will eat away at you like a disease

you will pray to your kike god and realize you're just talking to yourself in your head. you'll go to church and realize you're all just LARPing kikes. you'll probably fall into depression and maybe attempt suicide, perhaps your delusions will finally manifest into full blown schizophrenia and stop you at the last minute. You'll think to yourself that you finally found god, but then the cancer of self-doubt will return. Every day you will get more and more red-pilled to the absurdity of it all. and then one day, you'll finally crack.

you'll accept it for what it is, you've been buying into a meme your whole life. and I'll be there for you on that day, to welcome your spic ass with open arms and let you know "it's gonna be okay, user, you don't have to worship a dead kike on a stick anymore, you're finally home"

There's a local seventh day Adventist church that does that near me, considering it heavily, that and messianic Judaism.

Well that is what not being suicidal feels like, so congrats.

>What a tragedy that a bunch of people, all perfectly capable of feeling so blessed and loved and satisfied.Trot around with pride cackling like hyenas.
The prideful cackling you have displayed here is unmatched. Literally a zealot attempting to berate those who don't share your beliefs. You don't need religion to feel blessed and loved and satisfied.

>Just to see a different, bigger and more interesting world
Again, you don't need religion for this. It's right there to behold, no bible required.

>Sometimes i wonder if this is why the gay leftists are so insecure. Because they have no god and so need endless reinforcement
You realize religion is story ancient man told themselves because they were insecure and didn't have any answers right? RIGHT?

>Timmy in heaven
>obviously parents are in heaven too (provided they were good people.)
>murderer in heaven, so obviously has changed his ways and become a good person
Full repentance is walking away from sin, why do you think Jesus said to the woman "go and sin no more"? This guy isn't going to keep murdering if he's reopened to the point where God let him into heaven.
Where's the problem?

*repented
Fuck...

>I find it hard to believe

Ask God for the gift of faith. Make a conditional prayer even if you don't believe in God.

Eg, "God, if you're out there (which I doubt), please give me the gift of faith."

Read Michael Green, "Was Jesus Who He Said He Was?" for a short, but nicely written explanation of the historical case for Christ.

Link: amazon.com/Was-Jesus-Who-He-Said/dp/0892836245

You might also try an excellent book of Christian conversion stories titled "Spiritual Journeys"

Link: amazon.com/Spiritual-Journeys-Robert-Baram/dp/0819868760/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1475216399&sr=1-2

They whole idea is just absurd. Run around raping and murdering your whole life but feel sorry about it at the very end and repent and you get eternal bliss?

hey fuck niggaz

lol guis isnt it obvious we should just be lustful and hevae sex xdddd:) its obsivious that polygamous relationshops are soo great it s only natural not like monogamous hav ebeen proben to be mos t succesgul. dont folow chritsianty the punich this natural feelingz. now i show you tursth go habve sex now X:DDDD

>For instance it could point to a pantheistic faith or simply that humans latching onto something that provides them comfort and alleviates stress.
If i or you were to go solely on my experience. There is no doubt that it is Christ. For you observing, your "observation" cannot contain both our experiences as it is not reflective of anything but observation. Therefore you have several options for interpretation
1) Multiple "angles" at the same god
2) Multiple Gods

Since islam and christianity both profess a single god, and this makes the most logical sense given the nature of absolutes and of the absolute nature of god. It is unlikely that a patheistic interpretation is either satisfying or logically defensible or representative of what we both experienced.

>The Christians punished practicing pagans and heretics with death so its not unique to Islam.
And we learned and apologized for it on the understanding that this was wrong and an erroneous interpretation of Christs moral law. The moral law was not wrong, just the interpretation. Same thing with Galileo. Ironically it is modern Christians who operate under the assumptions Galileo had in his time. With christianity, the truth always prevails.

Islam has not and will not abandon apostasy law because it is precisely their moral law, in no strange or uncertain terms. That to leave the faith is punishable by death. It sounds like you know very little about Islam.

>Full repentance is walking away from sin, why do you think Jesus said to the woman "go and sin no more"? This guy isn't going to keep murdering if he's reopened to the point where God let him into heaven.
Where's the problem?


That is what whole christanity is about , and then you have some idiots who deny paul , the most perfect example of christianity

>The moral law was not wrong, just the interpretation.
it straight up says to kill gays and witches in the old testament. and in the new testament book of acts, a guy and his lied to peter about how much charity they had to give so god/the holy spirit killed them dead. so... yea... god's fine with killing people for minor offenses
stop pretending all those people who killed people for 2000 years werent REAL christians like you (a real christian apparently means, ignoring the bible)

>it's funny you're going to go to sleep tonight feeling the seeds of self-doubt we have woven into your psyche.
LMFAOOO
>you will try to deny it, but deep down you will know the truth and it will eat away at you like a disease
LMFAOOOOOO

Im gonna send this to my athiest convert friend. This will bring one hell of a lot of nostalgia back to him lmfaoo

Keep it coming salty atheist. The BEST argument you have is a pseudo-scientific "curse".
Looks more like projection. One day you will grow up user. One day you will realize the sense of meaning in your life makes no sense on its own. Hopefully before you die, that would be tragic otherwise

Keep shitposting though your garbage non-arguments are delicious

>LARPing kikes

MY FUCKING SIDES

to be fair you did look terrible in this thread

Born sick and comanded to be well. This is the point.

...

>Again, you don't need religion for this. It's right there to behold, no bible required.
Nah, you'll never get it till you get it. You just wont. Dont worry, there is a plethora of science behind this that shows it is a distinctly altered state of awareness and one that is very much not how your limited sense of reality imagines it.

>You realize religion is story ancient man told themselves because they were insecure and didn't have any answers right? RIGHT?
You do know that god is real right and that all your shitposting or self aggrandizing fatalistic delusions do not change this. That evolution cannot account for meaning. Or the conscious experience of reality correlated with our neurons is in any way physical. All science shows so far that if anything, it is not. Or at least "physical" is not what we imagine physical to be.

Determinism is a fallacious set of beliefs about reality. It assumes physicalism and that all past and future events are so to say "prerecorded" only we have reached a point somewhere before the end. When reality is probabilistic, but appears deterministic in the past.

You have no idea about the world and all the theories you hold in your head do no justice to the immense beauty and complexity of it. Instead all they do is limit it to your own predefined comfortable notions about god-- that he does not exist.

Something which you believe entirely on faith. Keep dreaming atheists. One day you will wake up and learn to feel alive inside. laugh whilst you can. The truth cannot escape man forever and you will eventually forget your pride in the misery of a lack of self fulfillment.

Right now, you dont even know your own beliefs in reality, far less my own. Sad

>Well that is what not being suicidal feels like, so congrats.
Also, i was not always suicidal. There is a distinct difference at the level of veridical understanding of reality. You will not get this. Your mind is too limited.

You do know that god IS aware of this right? If you say "jesus i believe" fascetiously all the while planning on getting away with as much evil. You will actually be judged 10 times worse. The definition of mortal sin includes degree of knowledge and understanding of evil. This is the definition of lacking innocence and acting in full knowledge and so constitutes for the most part, a grave infraction on the spirit and a deep and heavy sin.

God is aware of your own attempts to bullshit him, and if you succesfully believe them, you dont just commit grave matter, you actually deny god's divinity. There is no BS with god

Here, CCC for you:
>For a sin to be mortal, three conditions must together be met: "Mortal sin is sin whose object is grave matter and which is also committed with full knowledge and deliberate consent.
>Mortal sin destroys charity in the heart of man by a grave violation of God's law; it turns man away from God, who is his ultimate end and his beatitude, by preferring an inferior good to him.

Daily reminder that Jesus hated the jews and the jews hate Christians and Christianity.

OP, I used to be a hardcore atheist. Then I realized that:

1. We all have the God instinct within us. It is deeply ingrained in our psychology. Religions are an inseparable part of culture and evolved for a reason.

2. using the God metaphor and not focusing on the material, I can think and argue more clearly about the metaphysical and spiritual aspects of existence. I have a whole new line of thought open to me.

3. Religion gives me the power to justify my sense of morality and why I consider some behaviours degenerate or wrong. Without it, The issue boils down to the unsatisfactory "it just feels wrong I guess".

4. 85% of white population is incapable of higher reasoning. They need strong moral and spiritual guidance. Without religion, they turn to degeneracy and chaos, like we're seeing today. They don't need nór want nuanced arguments and complex philosophical positions on "agnosticism".

5. I don't actually "believe" that Jesus did miracles, that the flood happened or everything was created in 6 days. The Bible is a metaphorical book on morality, not history. I believe that God exists as a metaphor that humans are evolved to use. Yet I would be considered deeply religious - I believe that following God (Christ) is the thing that really matters in life.

6. Christianity is the way to go. Eapecially in my country, which did not have writing until Christianity was introduced, and so we don't have our previous traditions as well-documented as the Bible is. The Bible is humanity's most comprehensive Word of God. Monotheism is also a natural evolutionary step of our culture. Christianity effectively replaced paganism and even absorbed its customs.

>it straight up says to kill gays and witches in the old testament
>in the old testament
Judaism is about the old testament. Christians are asked to live in accordance to the new testament. Importantly, the law of the land and the moral law are different things.

>god/the holy spirit killed them
How does this relate to men killing in the name of god?

>stop pretending all those people who killed people for 2000 years weren't REAL Christians like you (a real christian apparently means, ignoring the bible)
I literally did not pretend or state they were not real. The church learned this lesson as it dissected the dogma and expanded the theology. It apologized for the mistakes it had made. It is still a human run organization even though the moral law/ theology is gods word. The fact that it did this lends it immense credibility in my book. The truth itself is unchanging but our interpretation is growing closer and closer to it as it develops.

Yes.

Read this book. It's not very thicc so you have a good chance of finishing it before the Happening. (I went through the not too much of a hassle of googling a suitable translation).

bokkilden.no/SamboWeb/produkt.do?produktId=1901712

>Daily reminder that Jesus hated the jews and the jews hate Christians and Christianity.
Joshua bin Joseph answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel."

Feelsgoodman

Fuck i love you atheist memes i picked the most cuntish way to talk which was wrong of me. but holy fuck do i love the shit flinging.

Arn is created by Sweden's worst self-righteous, left wing retard. He defends islam ffs

this is what a meltdown looks like

Also it's not possible that the Holy Spirit is indwelling you or informing your speech, because you use far too much profanity, and your arguments are silly. So. Enjoy hell I guess.

>How does this relate to men killing in the name of god?
>My god's moral law doesn't allow killing for minor offenses.
>My god kills people for minor offenses.

...and one very important point:

7. Christianity is the common enemy of our worst enemies - the kikes, the muslims and the sodomites. We need Christianity to couter-signal these things for normies, and we need it to eventually defeat these enemies. When our enemies are vanquished, then we can start discussing religion. But until then, we need to stand united, because divided we are easily conquered.

whatever you need to feel good at night.
I got my sperg out and feel pretty good, atheists are just as deluded, sycophantic and indefensible as ever.

>Also it's not possible that the Holy Spirit is indwelling you or informing your speech, because you use far too much profanity
LMAO
1) not an argument
2) where does it say in the bible that my use of profanity implies a lack of truth? My profanity is certainly not right but fuck you the truth is not always packaged in pretty little words, especially when a massive cunt "attempts" to argue garbage tier beliefs like atheism.

>Luther used violent and vulgar language throughout his career: he was not a man to say "manure" when he meant "shit". We do not expect religious figures to use this sort of language in the modern world, but it was not uncommon in the early 16th century.

>and your arguments are silly
Not an argument

>I the great atheist know for sure what is right or wrong in the universe and know that god is fake and evil because he killed someone for what i think is a minor offense
Meme tier belief system

>where does it say in the bible that my use of profanity implies a lack of truth?
>Joshua bin Joseph said, “Hear and understand: it is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person.”
>Paul said, "But now you must put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and obscene talk from your mouth."
>Joshua bin Joseph said, "I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”
>Paul said, "Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving."
>James said, "If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless."
>Joshua bin Joseph said, "The good person out of the good treasure of his heart produces good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure produces evil, for out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks."
>Joshua bin Joseph said, "But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire."
Do you even read the bible.

>Since islam and christianity both profess a single god, and this makes the most logical sense given the nature of absolutes and of the absolute nature of god. It is unlikely that a patheistic interpretation is either satisfying or logically defensible or representative of what we both experienced.

Think about the Hindu and the implications this would have here and consider who the very unitary Islamic God is completely opposed to the Trinitarain God of Christians.

>Since islam and christianity both profess a single god, and this makes the most logical sense given the nature of absolutes and of the absolute nature of god. It is unlikely that a patheistic interpretation is either satisfying or logically defensible or representative of what we both experienced.

This literally argues for a pantheistic interpretation. Are you mixing this up with polythiesm?

>And we learned and apologized for it on the understanding that this was wrong and an erroneous interpretation of Christs moral law.

Some Churches have and even then only real recently and some still agree with it. They can equally argue that it is 20th century christians who have the wrong interpretation.

>Islam has not and will not abandon apostasy law because it is precisely their moral law, in no strange or uncertain terms. That to leave the faith is punishable by death. It sounds like you know very little about Islam.

They already have in many countries, given its Hadith based there is divergence on the proper punishment for apostasy.

Yes, several times.
>where does it say in the bible that my use of profanity implies a lack of truth
>Not one argument

You do realize that your hard mined bible quotes agree with everything that i said.
1) That it was wrong of me to do it
2) That it does not actually refute the argument of truth.

You're a fucking idiot and all you proved to me is that you cant read but can quote-mine. If you're so hurt by my words, might as well ask me to stop cursing directly instead of trying to circumvent my arguments by attacking the tone of them.

>willingly sins when he knows it is wrong
>chastises others for unwittingly sinning because we don't believe in kike religions
>thinks god would rather have a willing sinner over an unwitting sinner in his company

u lose again cuck.

>tfw even if kike fairies do exist, I will get preferential seating in cloud city while you are cast to the depths of hell.

The trinity is one god. If the muslims see a blurry trinity, they see one god with no extra parts. This is about as simple as i can make it for you. It does not make it "correct" theologically (i have yet to prove that, and i feel books are a better means), but it is a valid counterargument and point worth considering.
>This literally argues for a pantheistic interpretation. Are you mixing this up with polythiesm?
Yes i was woops. But its also not arguing patheism if god is absolute but non-physical.

Hinduism unfortunately has the karma system which when applied politically is a justification for the caste system which to me is oppressive and dehumanizing. While karma does operate to make people choose good. There is very little incentive if one has done bad, or believe one is cursed, to somehow change their life around.

>Some Churches have and even then only real recently and some still agree with it. They can equally argue that it is 20th century christians who have the wrong interpretation.
They do not kill people for leaving the church. No where in the world is it practiced by a christian, to kill people who are leaving the church.

The orthodox islamic (80% islamic population) belief in apostasy is punishable by death (beheading) and it is carried out to this day. That you even think the scale of this is remotely comparable is absurd. You cannot compare these things at all.

>They already have in many countries, given its Hadith based there is divergence on the proper punishment for apostasy.
Which countries?

No

Cursing on Cred Forums is about as venial as it gets cuck. Also it is board culture. Like i said, non-argument.
not believing in god, blaspheming or at the very least being willfully ignorant? Yea. Not the same degree of sin.

>11 “But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. 12 He asked, ‘How did you get in here without wedding clothes, friend?’ The man was speechless.
>13 “Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

Sure sure

>The trinity is one god. If the muslims see a blurry trinity, they see one god with no extra parts. This is about as simple as i can make it for you. It does not make it "correct" theologically (i have yet to prove that, and i feel books are a better means), but it is a valid counterargument and point worth considering.

The trinity is a divine mystery which can only be accepted as being one God as a matter of faith hence why non Christians cannot accept it.

>Yes i was woops. But its also not arguing patheism if god is absolute but non-physical.

It adds a thrid option to you list and one that seems to provide a very complete answer to the issues surrounding competing revelations and "Gods". However it does present some ugly questions for people who claim to worship one God or many specific Gods.

>
Hinduism unfortunately has the karma system which when applied politically is a justification for the caste system which to me is oppressive and dehumanizing. While karma does operate to make people choose good. There is very little incentive if one has done bad, or believe one is cursed, to somehow change their life around.

Its pretty effective as it creates a cause and effect for morality that involves not only the after life but the current one as well. Karma allows one to fix their life now or future lives by propper conduct and ruin thier life and future ones by ill conduct.

That said your first sentance here seems to run into the issue of relativism.

>They do not kill people for leaving the church. No where in the world is it practiced by a christian, to kill people who are leaving the church.

They do if they practice a heretical faith. Aquinas the Doctor of the Catholic Church wrote on the necessity of killing hereitics and protestants have been terribly violent to competing demonimations.

Your knowledge and ignorance about christ damns you. I was a prick, so god will look over and consider the nature of my antagonism into the fashioning of your beliefs. But if you think you can deny him your whole life only to discover he is there and "get in" without any form of sincere repentance or belief. Good luck. God specifically warns against this in the bible with the parable of the wedding feast. You cannot go to the father except through Christ. By accepting his sacrifice, Resurrection and professing belief you open the doors to christ entering your heart and absolving your sin.

>The orthodox islamic (80% islamic population) belief in apostasy is punishable by death (beheading) and it is carried out to this day. That you even think the scale of this is remotely comparable is absurd. You cannot compare these things at all.

This is not true by head of population or by the total number of Islamic countries.

>You cannot compare these things at all.
In quantity no but in quality yes

>Which countries?
See pic related

>god would prefer someone ignorant of their sins over someone who acknowledges their sins

Fuck's sake, you do realize that one of the core beliefs of Christianity is that everyone sins, nobody is perfect and recognizing and repenting your sins is how you get into heaven right?

>The trinity is a divine mystery which can only be accepted as being one God as a matter of faith hence why non Christians cannot accept it
A divine mystery and paradox. It operates within a few logical tensions that have yet to be resolved but that are all necessarily true.

>It adds a thrid option to you list and one that seems to provide a very complete answer to the issues surrounding competing revelations and "Gods"
A third unsatisfying and unfulfilling option.

>Its pretty effective
I know what karma is. No it is not that effective, you are free to read on the study i posted earlier. It also runs into the issue of making life less meaningful (as with supporting a "just world" bias that deflates motivation to help victims). Killing someone is not nearly as incriminating if you know and believe they will be reborn.

Moralizing 'high gods' are much more effective. Hinduism is fairly complex and different "variations" do actually result in high god tier belief systems. But karma is not as good as a personal connection with a moralizing high god in influencing behavior.

>That said your first sentance here seems to run into the issue of relativism.
Nope, religion always results in some class of laws or established truths naturally emerging within a culture. With a singular monotheistic all powerful god, there is no relativism. Good and evil is always in reference to god. With many gods, you have relativism to each god.

>Aquinas the Doctor of the Catholic Church wrote on the necessity of killing hereitics
>IN 1225
What part of "we learned and apologized" did you not gather?
What is the death toll in the last 50 years? Compare to Islam.
thereligionofpeace.com/
pic related. Keep in mind they have a bit more than half our numbers.

youtube.com/watch?v=dDsmXD_2vVY

You honestly believe that members of the faith are safe to leave in the USA? I do not think you understand Islam. The only people who are "ok" with them leaving are considered moderate/secular or heretical according to most conservative muslims. The majority of muslims leaving just conceal their secular/ alternative beliefs in fear of being abandoned by family or killed by a member of the community. This happens in the UK, Sweden, Germany.

What is persecution for 1000$

Do you think moderate muslims will defend apostates from muslims "enacting muhammed's will"? How naive can you be? Just because it is not "law" does not reduce the danger when it is religious law.

I think I'll actually try to do exactly that

thanks for the encouragement breh

>hard to believe
...no, really?! L0L

Could you be so kind and share your story with us? I am very interested :)
Also, are you a member of any Christian confession, Lutheran, catholic, orthodox for example?

>tribal/clan/ethnic are more aggressive perpetrators than christian extremists

Thank God for the beauty of science.

i feel that they have the best virtues. i mean idk i think it's just white culture, not the religion.

i mean, how ? please explain in a very detailed way