Given that animals are just stupid meaty automatons...

Empathy towards animals is the true redpill.

Wow man OP's triggered some city fuckers.

> Humans are not animals

:^)

Animals > Humans

>animals are automatons
>posts a picture where a cat is clearly sad

>stupid meaty automatons
edgy

Whales have brains at least 6 times the size of yours, are you saying you only have 1/6 of the consciousness and soul of a whale?

THere's...a reason why he defined
"stupid meaty automatons"

Cred Forums''s apparently home to tumblrites. How about you go wrap yourself up in plastic and paint yourself in red.

>poor equivalence
You mean where you don' understand that you are the same as an animal, you have the same breath, you die the same death, and your lives are meaningless?

>you are "tumblerite" if you are not a 14 year old edgelord
just leave

OP has triggered some nu-male cucks for sure.
Brains turn off when it comes to cuddwy wuddwy animals
Like those fat chicks that go off the deep end if they witness a euthanasia or something.
That's what this thread reminds me of.

Why wouldn't you want to help small baby creatures like these? :3

>we XVIII century now

>What is consciousness
>What is comprehending existance
>What is being able to say why?

You people are fucking retarded.

>Edgelord
The thing is, I like animals, cows, horses, cats, etcetra. But I'm not going to cry feelings whenever someone says something which is blatantly obvious and true. You think if animals could think like humans they'd act they way they do? No they wouldn't They'd probably be out fucking insurging and killing humans because we've been cutting off their cocks, locking them up and making evolutionary changes to them.

>you are a "nu-male cuck for sure" if you are not a 14 year old edgelord
just leave

You're a woman with woman feelings.
A responsible man understands that animals are both a privilege and a blight and has no qualms about shooting it dead if it gets too old. Or drowning kittens if they're unwanted. Because otherwise they'll clog up and ruin an environment.

That's why you're referred to as a tumblrite. Feelings over logic and the greater good is a bitch thing. Stop acting like a bitch.

Is that it?
Typical woman response, broken record, no real argument.

You leave.

>>What is consciousness
Something you can't define since you are asking me.

>What is comprehending existance
Something you don't do very well and don't know if you do any better than a pod of whales or a hive of ants.

>What is being able to say why?
a geuss

Yes. Pets are degenerate little shitters genetically modified to be cute and adorable. They wouldn't even be alive without us creating them. They are not part of nature, they are a product. A toy that serves no purpose other than pleasing degenerated humans by being adorable.

What people waste their money on is none of your business.
As long as it's not your tax money spent who cares?

Nothing is a waste of money when it's not your money.
If someone decided to buy a plane, and then crash the plane in the ocean for fun, it's not a waste of money. The money doesn't disappear in a puff of smoke. It just gets transferred from an idiot to someone who is better at using money.
Now if someone takes your tax money and uses it to crash planes for fun, it is a waste of money. It's a waste of your money. You could have used that money for something you wanted.

>Typical woman response, broken record, no real argument.
autism reaches critical levels

Another woman response.
What a fucking joke. I bet you're a fucking landwhale too. I made my point, bitch. Feel free to argue it anytime.

>Stop acting like a bitch.
he's already in the LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU stance.

You probably eat animals which have been slaughtered in industrial farms, and much more at the result of animals being kept in areas where they're kept and made use of out of their own will. Trying to make some moral argument here is plain retardation.

Now you're just plain trying to insult me because you're asshurt. Listen senpai, Later on I'm going to do conservation efforts, run a farm with animals and horses along the likes, and I'll purposely vote against industrialized farming. I love my animals.

But I hate kiddies like you who think they're the prime entitled cunts who can dictate morality. Animals have as much comprehension as a 3 week old baby most of the time, fuck the most smart animal/mammal out there has the intelligence of a child. Think about that.

When you can build a cat, I'll agree with you.

Shit, build a single cell...

>I project so hard so I win

Yeah well that's par for the course when you're a fat bitch, how do you think they got fat to begin with? It wasn't from actually listening to people.

But that's wrong you retard

It's just "a waste of money". WHO'S money is not a fucking part of the equation.

Also, take people who buy shitty food so their cat can afford name brand catfood. They're keeping themselves down and poorly nurished, and thus poorly performing, which becomes more than just their problem. Unless they're on gubbmint gibs, which is an entire problem in and of itself (and they're probably paying for the cat food with your tax money too at that point.).

Faggot op made me miss my cats which now live at my parents because live in the city. /sad face

>What people waste their money on is none of your business.
>As long as it's not your tax money spent who cares?

I hate the use of the sentence, or most of the words used in it commonly like other people. "Why do you care if it isn't you" Yeah, I don't care if it isn't me, other people's poor chocies I'm going to be disappointed or dislike, or look down upon, but I'm not going to chase after them, nor am I going to just be a pussy and like when people do stupid shit.

Still no arguments! Stay triggered.

its weird, it almost sounds liek you implying this is a bad thing...

Cats are the best. Awesome animals, great companions. Independent too. Cred Forums (and Cred Forums) just hates cats and likes dogs because they want to be le counter-edgy contrarian and pretend to have this "alpha" essence none of them have IRL.

I like most animals more than most people, so no I think it's a good thing to spend money on. Would certainly rather that than keep sending money to africa

Cats are pretty gay comparred to dogs...

Women need something to do

OW THE EDGE

>prime entitled cunts who can dictate morality.
You are the only one declaring definite claims to comprehend existence and saying morality is tied to comprehension, I am saying the jungle dictates morality and this , while you think you know exactly how smart every single animal is even though you actually write things like "most smart."

Are you a nigger? I've noticed that subhumans tend to hate animals for some reason.

>1 post by this id

Would you rather have the idiots not spend their money and just hoard it, all while people who work at those animal centers lose their jobs and start collecting welfare?

You have ever seen a tea-cup poodle?

Reminds them.
Even a dog can be trained

They don't hate them. They just don't have the inert empathy that white people have.

White people are too empathetic for their own good.

No. Because it leads to sick fuck in jail. If anything the laws should be more strict. I do not want some asshole who ties the tails of two cats together walking the street.

They are clearly sick.

Pets have shown to reduce stress and increase the length of your life. I love my cat, he's a bro and waits for me to come home from work and then sits on my lap while I shit post. Then when I sleep he passes out next to me. I don't care if they're automatons, they're the best thing now until we have sentient ai. Once that comes around and there are fuckbots pets will be obsolete. For now I'll enjoy my cat's company. (I'll probably die before self-aware ai exists in a mass produced form anyway)

actually they are because most people are lazy and irresponsible

they're living beings that require a lot of responsibility. I have yet to meet a cat owner that didn't have a disgusting odor in their dwelling. and so many fucktards let their cats inbreed and produce unwanted mutts that further clogs up the shelter. but no we can't throw the cats into a river, cuz my feefees. it should be done to punish the owners for being negligent asshats.

if it were up to me only middle class and above would have access to pets. every other animal is confiscated and destroyed.

I don't consider them dogs tbqh. I just want to kick the shit out of those little "dogs"

>saying morality is tied to comprehension
What?
When?
Huh?

I'm talking about comprehension yes, but even the goddamned scientific community agrees that animals aren't conscious, put most animals infront of a mirror and they'll attack, even a fucking ape.

> I am saying the jungle dictates morality and this , while you think you know exactly how smart every single animal is even though you actually write things like "most smart."
Now you're just spewing rhetoric because you ain't got a proper argument to defend your feelings, most discoveries on animal behaviour supports me. All you have is mere statements.

> while you think you know exactly how smart every single animal is even though you actually write things like "most smart."
>Exactly
>Every
Jesus you're an absolutist cunt.

If I were to say blacks were violent, I'd be talking about the grand majority. I know they're be exceptions. You're just making a strawman argument now.

>Last part is literally just fucking semantics/grammatical errors
How to spot someone who's got no discussion/debate skills 101

See >Cred Forums (and Cred Forums) just hates cats and likes dogs because they want to be le counter-edgy contrarian and pretend to have this "alpha" essence none of them have IRL.

>the most smart animal/mammal out there has the intelligence of a child. Think about that.
Stop spouting nonsense, this phrase invalidates almost everything you said in this thread
Crows are almost as smart as fucking 7 year old kids, and they're BIRDS

Nothing wrong with empathy towards the innocent, human or animal.

Animals don't cause murder, robbery or rape in my society. They aren't a genetic disease within my species.

There's no reason to lack empathy for them. It's okay to eat animals, but they shouldn't be abused when they're alive.

...
I literally said child.
You're an asshat.

That what my comment was in response to you fucking silly leaf

what is the purpose of a cat? do you think a cat would survive a week in a forest far away from civilisation?

You have something against cat kings?

The other animals have been here just as long as we have, and have evolved into their own niches. We just happened to be lucky enough to be a "Toymaker Monkey" who makes shit that advances our capability.

Everything from mice to horses can learn to press buttons to obtain food. Domino's, anyone?

Personally I hope they take the shackles off genetic engineers so we finally have talking dogs, etc. Animals being able to fully help us with their unique abilities could be even better than automation.

I think the only stupid meaty automatons around here have Hillary signs in their yard.

yeah that's it, maybe some of us don't get the brainlessness when it comes to animals? and by brainlessness i mean look at you grasp for straws like you're in a panic that someone's going to come and take away your cats

get a grip

Of course it would. Our gov always complains about people realising cats in the wild because they eat all the wild life

Just because animals are objectively lower beings doesn't mean they don't feel pain/loneliness/sadness/fear. They're still living things, and they aren't capable of plotting or hatred or things like that. They should be more protected, to be honest.

>lived in cities my whole life
>go hunting deer and bears
>see a bunch of cows on crown land instead
>look them in the eyes
>nothing is going through their brain
>"moooo"
>city folks who have never seen a farm animal in their entire lives show empathy to these stupid animals and go vegan
>see 4 mule deer
>can't legally shoot them at the time due to hunting regs
>they are so retarded they almost hit my car going 10 km/hr
>realise that it's perfectly fine to eat meat whether hunted or farmed

You're right OP.

Are Ausfags still salty about emus? Calm down mates.

These people probably haven't stepped a foot out into the wild themselves pal.

No. Cats are generally used for pest control because of their skills, otherwise they'd be ripped to shreads by any wild animal bigger then them.

what is the purpose of a dog? do you think a dog would survive a week in a forest far from civilization?

>city folks who have never seen a farm animal in their entire lives show empathy to these stupid animals and go vegan
You don't know how much I hate this shit. Jesus christ.

Take the redpill and go vegan, its the best for the planet and your body and you save animals too.

Kikes are behind the animal agriculture.

Except some 7-year olds are smarter than you.
There's a reason why humans have adopted pets such as dogs and cats, and why they let themselves be domesticated. There's mutual gain in a Human-Animal relationship, for example, cats in ancient egypt. We gave them shelter, food and water when needed, they got rid of pests (such as rats) in the fields, thus increasing a crop's yield
Same thing for dogs, they are an imense help in hunting animals, and protecting homes.

Most of them won't mate. We've bred them specifically to the point they're harmless, there's only very specific dogs these days which are harmful.

your assuming a larger animal could catch them, you don't know cats very well...

Think again.
Empathy has destroyed Germany and Sweden.
Empathy has killed white people in Africa. They've been exterminated, completely wiped off an entire continent just because they had empathy towards ''poor innocent black people''.

Empathy kills. It's nice when you live in an all white country, but the moment there are non-whites in a county whites are going to be exploited and guilt tripped.

>cats and dogs
>a waste of money

Someone's blue-pilled, jesus christ

Helping pets makes me happy.

We will all die eventually.

Why not be happy until then and help out less fortunate animals?

what do you propose we do about the wandering truck sized moose once we're all vegan?

eat insects btw

>but even the goddamned scientific community agrees that animals aren't conscious
Scientific proof?

>spewing rhetoric
No, I am saying I don't think someone who forgets the real word for "most smart" is smartest can be trusted to be smart enough to know the intelligence of every animal and 3 year old.

>strawman argument
What is the name of the false argument where you tried to say animals weren't conscious, then you tried to say they were making new discoveries by studying animal cognition?

The fuck is a cat king?

You have anything against Nanking?

>Except some 7-year olds are smarter than you.
Why is that everyone who "Loves animals" in this thread has made this comment besides my argument being the only one which is actually coherent with the views of farmers and people who've actually worked/studied animals?

It's like a retard calling me a retard.

>The rest of that comment
Sure thing spirit science

jesus christ..

A dog, dingo, etc.

Empathy kills when you feel empathy towards those that do not deserve it. I don't understand your logic towards innocent, domesticated animals.

you mean we're NOT total losers relying on meaty automatons for our only companionship?

sure thing, totally blue-pilled right here

Man, this thread is full of edgy 14-year old contrarians, it's pretty funny

Also chinks.

ah yes having empathy towards dogs and cats will surely get me beheaded

Man, whales are awesome

>abysmal waste of time and money?
How much time and money are you losing, OP? Why don't you let people that want to contribute to animal welfare do their thing and you just shut the fuck up?

You're the one being retarded or deliberately obtuse. Whoever gives their money to the charity etc. doesn't see it as a waste. Who else is to decide what's a waste or not? If you're talking the overall sum then no one person decides if it's a waste.

As usuall the OP is a faggot asking a question that can only really be answered with "depends" which will inevitably result in an endless internet pissing into the lake of piss.

Which I've contributed to. And given out a (you). Awesome.

Here is another argument of semantics and grammar, thanks mate. Proving my point.

youtube.com/watch?v=GaMylwohL14

wew lad animals are super smart senpai they're able to have conscious thought and question reality, I really love my pets (Domesticated animals, trained by humans and developed, barely wild) we should go vegan!

Nice doubles but you're pathetic, You couldn't even retort so you're evading to name-calling.

Did a rabid dog attack you or something.

>NOT total losers
>our only companionship

Do you know where you are? Projecting much?

The love of a pet is a pure and wonderful thing, user, I recommend getting one

yeah that empathy results in feral animals running amok in some countries

you're lucky the shelters over there will straight up gas your animals

which is actually a good reason to have shelters around if you're going to let every weeb and his fat sister keep animals.

Trying to show off to your Muslim overlords by being an edgy 15 year old?

> Show about sloths and sloth specialists

> Show about hedgehogs and hedgehog specialists

> Show about crabs and crab specialists

> Interfering with the animal kingdom to save a cute creature from it's well respected demise

> Useful

Yeah, did you read what I said?

They're criminal and harmful, so one shouldn't feel empathy towards them.

Animals are neither.

I could disembowel sub-humans barehanded if you let me get away with it, but that doesn't mean I should be cruel towards animals who don't deserve it.

Read a little, you fucking sub-human nigger
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat
You have all the sources there, if you start complaining about credibility, go to the sources

You really sound like an underage edgelord, you know?

Umm regulate them because it's reasonable? You don't have to be a fucking idiot you know?

You're the one defending an ECHO CHAMBER where you people try to roleplay being "ALPHA" so you can make up for your lack of real life prowess. The males and the few females that are into Cred Forums all think they are "the last of their kind", but no, you're just isolated autists that mistake your isolation and undesirability for you being "DIFFERENT FROM THE OTHERS AND THE LAST TRUE PEOPLE ALIVE".

Go kill yourselves. Die in a gas chamber.

Someone post that picture of the nazi soldiers dressing up a dog in a helmet and glasses.

That should make my point.

No thanks, I hate the way they smell and I'm not picking up some dumb animal's shit, and unlike you I'm smart enough to realize that "pure wonderful thing" is simply to get me to feed it. Dumb cunt.

That's because you're dumb.
I am not speaking against taking care of animals.
What I am saying is that the same innate instincts that are responsible for white people feeling empathy towards animals are the same instincts that are responsible for white people feeling empathy towards non-whites.
You can't separate one from the other. It's the same thing.

That is the reason why the vegans, the PETA people, animal rights activists and people who own pets in general are overwhelmingly pro-refugees, BLM supporters, anti-racists etc.

On the other hand you have Muslims. They hate dogs and pets in general, and they seem to have zero empathy for anyone but themselves.
Then you have Asians. They eat dogs and cats, and when a child gets run over by a car they walk past because they don't have empathy.

Its not a new argument of semantics, its the same argument of your lack of qualifications.

Do you think that video is proof of something and what did it prove exactly and where is the scientific study linked to it that you were talking about and how does it prove you are the most smart animal?
youtube.com/watch?v=RRRcg1PVae0

So you would cull some animals and throw their carcasses away in the trash for being in our territory. I hope that's what you meant by regulate because "regulate" doesn't mean jack SHIT by itself other than a half-assed attempt at looking clever.

>Muslims hate pets
Cats are sacred to Islam, you fucking ignorant, for someone who spends so much time talking about them, at least you should do some research

> Humans are hard coded to care about dogs and cats because they're trusty companions

> This has been like this since the beginning of humanity

> People much more eager to kill one another than kick a dog

Irony.

Did you read what I posted? You low IQ fags are exactly why things are going to shit. You can't comprehend simple concepts like empathy being an innate trait that is more dominate in some people than others.

Why is it impossible to talk to you low IQ fags?

People who have zero empathy for animals are the scum of the earth. If there's two things i hate the most in this world is abuse toward children and animals.

I see another numpty doesn't know how a brain works. Abstract reasoning doesn't mean it's on the same level as we are. It means it's capable of abstract reasoning.

HIGH TEST

Not an argument.

Women just want to use you for material gain too, right champ

Not an argument either

What is the difference between abstract reasoning capabilities and non automaton consciousness?

Yeah but I have the freedom to spend my money on stupid shit like a pet. I have the right to give money away to organizations like The Humane Society. And if that money is spent paying the salaries of retards that can't contribute more to society besides feeding animals, then the system works.

> Cred Forums becomes a social democrat when you mention slight intend of not caring about animals

WEW LADS

Humans are just long-legged monkeys.

>sacred
No, Muhammad just had a cat and every single Muslim male tries to emulate Muhammad. This is also why they kiss their disgusting rock that is probably covered in diseases, because Muhammad did it.

Literally all it would tell me is what it's naturally destined to do. There isn't any articles linked to the questions of philosophy my cat has made, infact it still attacks it's own reflection. You're just purposely ignoring a reality

The fucking hilarious thing here is, is that you're calling me edgy and all this shit.

MATE, I SPECIFICALLY LIKE LIVING RURALLY TO LIVE AROUND COWS AND HORSES. IT'S MORE THEN LIKELY I'LL OWN MY OWN IN THE FUTURE. I'M ALSO GOING TO SHOOT ANIMALS ON CONSERVATION EFFORTS.

You know who aren't bleeding hearts when it comes to animals?

People who've actually lived on a farm, or near them. Or at least are substantially educated upon how animals live. That says something.

>Animal literally raging at itself in a mirror as if it was an opposing enemy (Don't try to pretend they haven't seen their own reflection before)
>"WHAT'S THE SCIENTIFIC STUDY, YOU HAVEN'T POSTED EVIDENCE (For the most simple fucking understandable concept of animals not able to think consciously like humans) DEFEND YOURSELF

Just fucking concede mate. Like animals all you want. I love animals. But I'm not a fucking dumb ass trying justify my feelings with rhetoric.

It is an argument of semantics by the way, because you're just taking this into grammar and how I've structured my sentences. And from what I've gathered people who resort to insulting such a minor thing don't have an appropiate argument in the first place.

I need a woman who wants me for my money, but is bad at math.

No, you are being an idiot. Veganism is about reducing aninal suffering as far as practically possible. If those animals would get run over by cars, what would be the difference? Oh yeah humans would die too. So it makes sense to regulate them as it's not feasible to build walls all around the roads. Eat them if you want but it's 80k moose population for 5.5million finns, which leaves you 99% vegan.

Afaik, empathy is learned. It is not instinct. Sandnigger countries and Asian countries lack empathy because they weren't taught it. Not because they don't have some empathy gene.

It's true. Schizo Muhammed enjoyed playing with cats before flipping out seconds later and beating the shit out of his wives.

FRIENDLY REMINDER

CATS CAUSE SCHIZOPHRENIA AMONG OTHER RELATED MENTAL DISEASES

IF YOU THINK THIS WAY THEN HOW CAN YOU HATE THE KIKES, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY REFER TO US LIKE CATTLE????

you must have empathy for all living things

Aren't cats also sacred to you Indians?

Where the fuck do you think you are, Dr. Cox?

Pointing out that people with no empathy are required by law to ''respect'' a certain animal is not an argument. Especially since cats are the most child-like small pets who are the easiest to have empathy for.
Someone can have low empathy but still like cats. Liking a dog required more empathy since they have less child-like features, they're bigger in size and they aren't as fragile.

The problem is not empathy you absolute retard, the problem is ignorance.

The people who have empathy towards the criminal have never experienced crime, and their empathy mostly stems from the misinformation spread on media and in schools.

If every one of them was tied to a chair and forced to read crime statistics while looking at pictures of bloody corpses of murdered innocent people and children, they would soon lose their empathy for sub-humans, but that procedure would not logically make them cruel towards animals.

Autism Express.

Actually, most people who live in farms don't care a lot about animals

t. Lived in a farm

No, dogs are.

So, you're just here to shitpost.
Thanks man, enjoy your time.

Only if you are stupid and don't vaccinate your cats
Also, it only transmits to females

You're a fucking retard.

> buy 30 cows, 5 horses, 7 chickens
> 'meh.'

So why exactly did you board. There are no breaks

This, animals are a commodity to them. They see them as money, as they die anyway.

>DEY R BIRDS! DEY SMERT! U SE?

>HURR DURR THEM ANIMALS R SMERTER DAN U

holy crap the projection levels are off the charts here

Just because a few specific variety of birds have the ability to mimic does not imply that they have the ability to think for themselves beyond that of the most basic impulses, let alone ever have the potential to rise to our level in the world.

Humans have the highest nerve density of any animal, except for when it comes to the various whale species, and maybe the occasional elephant.

Let this put things into perspective, faggot

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_by_number_of_neurons

friendly reminder if you think having empathy towards pets is in any way shape or form comparable to having empathy for mud filth you should gas yourself

Those cows live for a year or two if they are for meat and chickens up to 8 weeks.

Not much of a commitment.

Nah, you're the shitposter here (just look at your flag)
Farm people are mostly pretty dumb, suffer from a lot of consanguinity, lack emphaty for humans and animals a like, and tend to live pretty shitty lives

No but this is retarded. I know Cred Forums as being pretty mature and a tad childish here and there, but this is a new low.

>they would soon lose their empathy for sub-humans
You're naive.
These people would never lose their empathy. You can kill their families, you can rape them and they will still shill for refugees. We've seen this over and over again.

Name one person who got their life destroyed and got raped by a nigger, who then became racist. It doesn't happen.
The women who go to Africa and get raped always blame DA WHITE DEVIL for forcing the Africans to rape them. Every single time.

You only chose feral animals, though, things go differently in a lab when its not wild, cultures of people who don't have mirrors and cameras act with similar aggression and they obviously haven't seen a clear reflection of themselves that was the whole point of setting up a giant mirror.

My argument is that science not only isn't trying to disprove animal consciousness, but there are new fields opening up to study animal consciousness.

I mean you could at least read the basic wiki page and understand the actual psychological implications of the mirror test. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_consciousness

Not every farmer has cows for meat you cockclot.

sign of a man is that he not only takes care of himself, but others as well

You don't sound like you've got a lot of neuron density either, bub

Or, you know, having male genitalia.

FUCK OFF, NIGGER!!!

A single cat or a dog's life is worth more than the lives of every nigger on Earth.

Well that's fitting.

by that logic, germany and sweden are full of alphas considering they take care of their "refugees" so well

you're not white if you don't care about animals

>MY ARGUMENT IS FAILING! I MUST WIN SOMEHOW...

>I KNOW, I'LL CALL HIM DUMB! THAT'LL PROVE HIM WRONG!

Back at it again with the projection, huh?

is irrelevant anymore
not all men are alphas

You never had a compelling argument in the first place, sperg

This board attracts a lot of unhappy people. I mean Jesus cats and dogs are a cool part of life. Live a little.

Your mom's irrelevant lol

Cat gifs of go fuck yourself

Yeah, they serve absolutely no other purpose, not as pest control, not as herders, not as bomb sniffers, not for protection, not as hunters and retrievers... totally useless in form and function

>Vegan making dumb ass uneducated comments about the very people who spend more time then them with animals

wow man. you're such a special snowflake and unique person. totally not a bland stereotype.

I'll concede, but I'm not shitposting.
>Farm people are mostly dumb
>Incest joke
>Bullshit about empathy
>Bullshit about livelyhood

Well mate I guess that makes almost 70 fucking percent of the netherlands a bunch of incestual hillbillies who are dumb. Screw those people who are the foundations of society and who solely support agricultural prroduction which gets food on your table, us city people, am I right?

Kill yourself.

>Cows
>Horses
>Feral

Nigga did you just come out of your mother's vagina a second ago or are you purposefully ignorant?

I've never said an absolute mate. You're literally making strawman arguments to make me look bad. I'm saying that my statements are backed up by behaviour, and of course people who didn't have mirrors or cameras would react the same, but they're the same people who have IQ levels on the scale of retardation, so would that be highly surprising?

>Basic
Patronizing and arguing morally. Nothing new.

There's no fucking way you can be this retarded

Well if they are dairy cows, their babies will go to the veal or meat industry or to dairy cows again and after they are spent (5 yrs) they are made into hamburger. Very caring wow much compassion

let me guess, you're not white ie not human

No because all animals deserve to have a comfortable life, even all animals that will be slaughtered should have good life and be happy before they get killed.

Only a child thinks animal cruelty is okay. The fuck is wrong with you?

> 1% useful == 100% useful

???

You've also got entire breeds dedicated to just being play things, yes animals have been trained and produced to serve functions, but that's it. They serve functions. They're trained.

nope

it is a parasite that gets in your brain

you are wrong

shes also a man

except for niggers and ragheads

>implying dogs don't feel love

My dog is a good friend.

So are you. That's presumably why you shit in toilets and not your pants.

Reminder that vegan is the only way to save the planet

No you piece of shit, you judge a society by how they treat their weakest members - animals. arabs kick animals, rednecks kick animals. degenerates. Nazis respected animals, western europe respects animals, America/autrailia/canada respects animals, fuck even india respects animals. It is our moral duty to care for the weak, even if we care more for kittens and puppies than other people

Neil deGrasse Tyson must kick ass on the dog metric, seeing as shit is always flying out of his mouth, He's such a smug ass hole.

There's anti-parasite vaccines and pills, dumbo
If you don't deparasitate your pets regularly, it's your own fault you got infected

They notice a que in your behaviour, humans do as well but animals are just reaction to that, they don't understand it, they don't have entire documentaries made for it. They're just as aware as they would be if they saw another dog growling at them.
The difference being I serve more of the purpose then shitting in the toliet, Pommy cunt.

well shit I care more about kitties than people

The vegan pill is much harder to swallow than the red pill. Everyone is indoctrinatesd in believing that animal abuse is normal and necessary.

>>Cows
>>Horses
>>Feral
There were cows and horses raging at their reflection?
What was the timestamp I only saw wild monkeys.

It would be surprising if a different culture filled with the most smart animals like you could develop an unbiased IQ test, let alone for an entirely different species that needs an entirely different set of adaptations to survive.

If you are going by behavior, what about the fact that ants have bigger more complex cities than people and they mastered agriculture, husbandry, slavery, intercontinental travel, and architecture long before people did?

Youve got it user. They're ingenius products of humanity-driven eugenics. Im not one of those dumb fucks that think they have a soul, but theu serve a purpose for people like myself that actually use guard dogs, hunting dogs and herding dogs. But why is it wrong that some sad fuck enjoys the ones purely bred for beauty or cuteness? Thats like saying we should all eat soylent green because a juicy steak is less effecient nutritionally.
Merely refuting that anons idea that theyre completely useless

I mostly agree, although we should put more emphasis on the young and old than animals... but theres a reason why nigs love to kick, beat, and torture animals. They have no empathy for a weaker creature, and it should alert the rest of society when we see cruelties that they need to be punished or locked away. If they'll kick a cat, they'll kick a child.

>mastered agriculture, husbandry, slavery

u wot m8

You're seriously hurt, because all you've done is go "smart animals like you"
Untill you address this, I ain't going to reply because I know you're butthurt and talking to you would just be redundant because I'm talking to an individual deluded by rage. Calm down and I'll answer your questions.

What little redneck purpose do you serve other than sitting on your bogan porch with your mullet and empty VB cans?

>But why is it wrong that some sad fuck enjoys the ones purely bred for beauty or cuteness? Thats like saying we should all eat soylent green because a juicy steak is less effecient nutritionally.
Didn't agree of OP on this. I was just defending his technically right argument that animals are pretty much dumb. Doesn't mean I want to abuse them them. Just like I wouldn't abuse a human child. They're dumb as fuck but they still bring happiness some way.

>hurr durr mrr durr durr how dare you insult my cat! I'll have you know that it is indefensible being anyone but a city born, entitled effeminate male!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant–fungus_mutualism
modernfarmer.com/2014/04/meet-earths-oldest-farmers-ants/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leafcutter_ant
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slave-making_ant

Lack of empathy for animals, especially those who are loyal to humans is a sign of psychopathy, go see a psychiatrist.

I don't understand but isn't all you have to do to disprove OP's automaton declaration is to show animals can be smart and survive better than people?

he was raising a point not making a definitive statement you sperg

If you didn't have the muscular apparatus to smile with your face and you didn't have the laryngial structure to speak, should we just kill you because you aren't intelligent? Certainly Aussies are fucking pointless anyway on that Island. Who the fucks going to miss just one?

raising an invalid point, dipshit

>Have cats
>They mate, or they fuck a cat down the streeet
>Hey look it's a ltiter
>Unfortunately I can't raise them, and there's no point of fufilling some disney romanticized option of giving them out
>Proceeds to drown and strangle them, not out of torture but just because they won't really live a purposeful or good life

Do what I told you or I'm not answering you.

>It's because they can't communicate!
There's still such a thing as ears, hands and a mind my friend. If you didn't have any of them you're practically fucked. Conscious or not.

Nice trips.

I told you I don't understand your tard rage, slow down and form a complete coherent sentence because I don't get much out of.
> is go "smart animals like you"

You are the one trying to prove you are better than animals I just have to poke holes in that.

no, because compassion exists and empathy does as well.

so of course these things will keep running.

>Asking you to do a little more then insult my intelligence and actually form an argument beyond that
>Go ahead and just keep insulting intelligence, making false comparisons, not considering my points and considering to brick-wall my approach with having to prove basic goddamned knowledge about animal behaviour, to the point it would be comparable to showing you how bowels work to prove people that people have to defecate

>Reversing my post against me, as well

I don't really have much to say, nor do I think I have to say anything at this point, you've only made arguments against my sentence structure and beyond that you've talked about certain traits of animals and thinking they're equivalent to socrates or plato.

Who are you quoting?

So where does it stop? Because I've lived in Australia and as for consciousness and purpose, you can safely eliminate half the population without guilt since they're what you guys say: dumb as dogshit.

Is that suppose to be an explanation of your demands because I am even more confused about what you were telling me to do?

Are you off your meds or on cocaine?

Maybe. Just because we don't understand them doesn't mean they aren't intelligent and soulful in their own way.

I don't think you quite comprehend the necessity for animals and other living creatures of this earth. Sure, we might be the most evolved, most "powerful" yada yada creatures on the planet, but take away the animals (be it cats, dogs, or insects) and we'll soon find ourselves surrounded by problems that are not only a nuisance, but might as well be the reason for our exctinction.

You need cats to kill rats (plague ahoy), you need insects to fertilize plants (oxygen is quite nice), you need lizards and birds to feed on the insects and prevent them from overpopulating, etc etc.

The life you find on our planet has been in the works since the big bang and nature (or so we think) has sucessfuly created a wonderful balance which has the ability to keep the cogs in motion for millions of years. We've only been around for a very short amount of time and our impact (mostly negative) on this balance has been increasing steadily. While I know a lot of people just shrug this off saying "ah, what does it matter, we're just a tiny piece of our universe" - indeed we are, but it is the only thing we've got, like it or not. And with such thinking, we'll have a hard time getting past this stage as well.

If you can't see that and still think animals (and nature for that matter) aren't worth looking after, then excuse me sir, you're an idiot.

I'm summarizing his actions against me, I'm not sure how you're not able to comprehend this.

I have never in this thread said I'm against culling idiots or the dumb, most of your posts have just been attacks by the way. Great way to make your stance acceptable and reasonable.

An explanation of your actions
TLDR

You've insulted my intelligence
You've made false comparions.
You've not consider my points
You've brickwalled them even, making talking to you pointless.
You've also asked me to explain something on the same level of teaching you why people shit.

SHART

Cats and dogs are usually domesticated and are often culled if they serve their natural insticts. So that's a redundant argument. He's arguing against pet ownership and detailing that animals aren't very intelligent compared to us. Not that we should genocide insects, animals and mammals.

You are not the most smart.
Its only false because consciousness and automaton are not well defined
You don't make points, you ad hominem and conflate fun little anecdotal video compilations with scientific consensus.
You are too flabbergasted to ever respond and the cognitive dissonance sends you into a ten paragraph barely coherent tard rant, you don't even know what point you were trying to make.
You can't even explain something so simple given dozens of tries, you make yourself look least smart every time.

Give me a break. Given that humans are just as much of an meaty automaton than animals your conclusion doesn't follow. Moral value can be tied together with how complex the consciousness of a particular animal is. With this approach you would conclude that all animals have moral value, just not to the same extend as humans do.

So are nogs, women and other people (they pretend to have emotions and such when all they do is react to external stimuli).
Still we give them rights.

And I was repeating what I said earlier so you could read it once again and understand it, FAGGOT.

>Given that humans are just as much of an meaty automaton than animals
Citation needed

>Its only false because consciousness and automaton are not well defined
I'd agree that science hasn't made the steps, but using this as some cheap advantage to push your own perspective upon things doesn't make you valid. Right now, science dictates that animals aren't on the same level of sentience of us, while science isn't a ideology which dictates our minds, and faults often, I'm inclined to believe they're right because of the experiences I've had with animals, and comments from farmers, and the scientific communitie's examples which are in favour of my points.

>You don't make points, you ad hominem and conflate fun little anecdotal video compilations with scientific consensus.
>you ad hominem
That's rich coming from you senpai, what did you start your post with, infact, what has half if not most of your posts filled with?

>You are too flabbergasted to ever respond and the cognitive dissonance sends you into a ten paragraph barely coherent tard rant, you don't even know what point you were trying to make.
Pot calling the kettle black, you're literally copying my dismissal of you now and trying to apply it back to someone where it doesn't even apply. Who are you trying to fool?
>You can't even explain something so simple given dozens of tries, you make yourself look least smart every time.
You can change a few words around and address your inability to understand what I've put on the table. It's pretty much just a shouting match now. You haven't conceding, and you aren't going to. It is pointless to even talk to you. I'm going to make a simple guess that you don't even live in the rurals, and you're a fella who mabye owns a cat or some shit in an apartment.

While I am against animal cruelty extending human rights and characteristics to animals is wrong. They are not human.

How are you going to proof other people have conciuousness?
If you go by reacting to pain, using tools, recognizing themselves in the mirror and such then many animals and most of which you eat would make the cut. If you go by "what's 2x1+5" then you would have to wipe out half of the US.

Poisoned my neighboor's pitbull with a sausage filled with rat poison. Watched him barfing blood and grey stuff while smoking a good monte cristo. Tough motherfucker, he didn't even die and got up on his paws, had to strangle through the fence with a phone cable
He was an aggressive cunt, aways barking at people for no reason. Not that my poofta neighboor learned the lesson, now he's got a fucking dobermann.

Hey who gives a shit, another retarded dog, another poisoned sausage. This time i'm getting the dose right

And yet when people call Italians and Romanians the niggers of Europe you can't figure out why.
Really makes you think.

Only niggers and low-IQ trash believe what OP believes.

It could have been dealt with better, but pitbulls are agreed to be a shit animal. I'd rather them just be put down for being violent little shits mauling people.

>Because reality is black and white, you can't think animals are dumb while not wanting to harm them

Since you are defending the existence of a soul you are the one who needs to provide evidence. As long as nobody proves otherwise we have to assume that humans are just great apes (which they are). We are subject to determinism just as anything else in the universe. The only thing going for us are fine motor skills to help us build and a more complex brain which helps us in abstract thinking.

Consciousness is not an absolute thing. Some people are less conscious than others. Take for example extremely retarded people. They are arguably less conscious than any normal human and probably less than any healthy animal since they wouldn't be able to survive on their own.

>cheap advantage
It disqualifies all your earlier claims of scientific community this and studies prove that as lies.

>farmer
Livestock have been bred for thousands of generations to be the "most stupid'.

>senpai
tête–à–tête
>copying my dismissal
I didn't ragequit like you and immediately respond again I am just persistent in trying to see if you will ever make a point.

You said million year old high energy efficient ant farming and architecture methods that modern human farming and architects are just catching up to don't count because plato.

Too bad only 5% of the population is smart and white enough to be vegan

1. Dogs are the most based animal, loyal, innocent, friendly, happy going creatures
2. Rest of the other animals are innocent and only want to be loved
3. Humans are selfish egocentric sadistic hypocrites creatures.
4. Insects are souless

>Consciousness is not an absolute thing.
Yes, but on a scale from 0 to 1, at which point would you be allowed to torture them for fun as long as you eat them later?

Fucking dogs, kill them all i say. They do nothing useful except being mollycoddled by spineless pussies who never got laid once in their own pathetic life.

Dog owners are weak. And whoever has aggressive breeds (especially pitbulls) should be shot on sight along with their parasitic animals.
And no, dogs are good. Meat is a little bit chewy, but perfect if you cook it in a slow cooker (especially if the dog is still alive inside of it) and add some spices.
I've tasted both dog and cat meat, and i can assure dog tops them all. Cow meat is nothing compared to a good spiced dog

Same arguments apply to Italians.

I have a Russian blue and a Labrador

Your opinion is invalid.

Now we are getting to the fundamental level of the philosophical side of this topic. I am not claiming to have the answer to that question, but I would say that harming any life form which can experience pain and suffering is very hard to defend morally outside of life and death situations.

>It disqualifies all your earlier claims of scientific community this and studies prove that as lies.
Did you just back up your argument by saying that science isn't fully developed, then contradict yourself by saying that truth is some static self-pleasing entity and that whatever you think is right is right?

Stop with the confirmation bias.

>Livestock have been bred for thousands of generations to be the "most stupid'.
If they had consciousness or sentience like you'd sugguest maybe they would rebel and act out.
Oh wait.
They're animals.

>I didn't ragequit like you and immediately respond again I am just persistent in trying to see if you will ever make a point.
You pretty much just waved over my whole post and tried to cover your intentions with a pitiful retort. I'm not dumb mate, I'm very well aware of what you're doing and I'm going to make sure it won't work.

>You said million year old high energy efficient ant farming and architecture methods that modern human farming and architects are just catching up to don't count because plato.
Can they reject their actions?
Can they decide to do anything else?
Are they able to use their systems, to produce stuff on level as us? Despite more then likely existing longer then us?

We're arguing sentience here mate.
Animals just plain fucking simple can't do what people do. They're able to act by their nature and so are we. But we're not acting along with nature, and only our most unintelligent ethnic groups do such things. I'm really not sure how you're not able to grasp this. I'm not just trying to insult you now. I'm genuinely considering you're either an autist who's focused on animals or you're legitimately deluded.

>Since you are defending the existence of a soul you are the one who needs to provide evidence.

You're seriously implying that to deny anthropic mechanism and hard determinism requires the existence of a soul? Back to school with you, Hans

I volunteered at my local Humane Society and it was by far one of the most depressing experiences I've ever took part in. The shelter advertises itself as a no kill shelter and that they will take any animal in and while that's true, it's very overcrowded. I worked with the cats and the healthy cats would only be able to come out of their cages for half an hour a day besides the little five minutes early in the morning they get while their cage is cleaned and they get their litter and food changed out. They are stuck in these very small cages with bright light on them from early in the morning until late in the afternoon when everybody goes home and deal with all the loud animal noises and the fact that they are stuck there with almost no potential of leaving. I've even seen a cat returned to the shelter. And if they don't make it out on time, they get transferred to a bigger shelter that will eventually euthanize them.

I was assuming you were defending such a thing. In case my response to you was a misjudgment maybe respond to me again, by stating the trait which separates animals and humans in your opinion.

>static
You mean dynamic, but either way, nope, I did not.

>rebel
like some sort of stampede?

>I'm very well aware
Nah, whales are 6 times more aware than you.

>Can they reject their actions?
can you? Are they just smart enough to understand their limitation, why haven't you broke off from society and built your own spaceship to the moon?

>Can they decide to do anything else?
Yes, when ants get some fungal infections, they go through an inspection process and sometimes the hive decides to outcast the sick and they fight them and take them far away from the hive to dump the bodies.

>Are they able to use their systems, to produce stuff on level as us?
Architecture and agriculture, the way they use the sun and have such plentiful harvest to feed their trillions is beyond human capabilities. Also can you and a bunch of your friends cross the ocean with just your alternating bodies as the boat?

Absolutely devastated that one mate

At this point you're still doing what I accused you of, and you're ignoring my argument of sentience. You're practically and CONTINOUSLY as well as knowningly ignoring one of my points because they don't adhere with your dogma. What you're explaining is instinctual actions, and instinctual awareness, you're comparing what a baby can do to a man, who's actively able to cancel out any active natural instincts and replace them with what is not natural, with natural instincts.

I'm not the only one seeing this right? The guy pretty much swoops over my posts, ignores arguments of sentience, seems to avoid anything which doesn't affirm him. I've answered this guy when it comes to the behaviours of insects, animals and mammals but this guy plain flat out is pretty much like talking to a stone wall. I think this enough evidence to just stop talking to him. I'm purely convinced this guy is autistic now.

You know IDs exist right?
You came into the thread boasting anything else which disagrees with you as not redpilled, I don't think anyone is going to value your opinion.

>ignoring my argument of sentience
The one you can't prove, measure, or distinguish in any way upon repeat inspections and trying to define it sends you into some wordy tard rage where you shift the burden of proof onto me because of all my medical conditions a most smart person is completely able to diagnose anonymously over internet arguments?

>Given that animals are just stupid meaty automatons

Holy shit this is a really really old way of looking at animals how old are you? 180?

Mathematics and its philosophical implications. I haven't got much time to elaborate but to put it briefly, either the human mind is a Turing machine and hence finite (there are unsolvable problems due to our hard limitations) or mathematical axioms cannot be contained by a finite rule (ergo, the human mind is potentially infinite and not a Turing machine). I find the first proposition to be unlikely, to say the least.

yes

I've been around Pitbulls my whole life. To just blatantly stamp them as "shit animals" is a very ignorant move on your part. This argument's been made a gazillion of times in the past, but an animal is only as shit as the owner makes it out to be. If raised well, Pitbulls can be one of the sweetest, most caring breeds around, not to mention extremely clever. It is the owner's responsibility to raise a calm, non-aggressive dog and keep it on a leash and within a confined space when not around, even if it's just a Chihuahua. In the case of owning a Pitbull, even more so, as their attacks are of course, more dangerous. But that doesn't mean the animal itself is "shit".

this is why white people are dying and china will inherit the earth too many hippie empathy cucks

This.
An animal will never deceive you. It will never pretend to like you to get snacks. They lack the mental capacity required to be evil. They deserve empathy more than any minority does.

>Can't prove sentience

oh jesus please don't tell me you fucking try and do this? it's legitimately like I'm arguing with a schizophrenic

please if you have any sense, any credibility or intelligence don't do this

It's like I'm arguing with a thiest. Jesus. I've got a literal headache from you repeating yourself like an insane man, don't add onto it by trying to deny sentience. Goddamn man.

Hmm if you read my post again I don't get how we are different in regards to the animal and human distinction. Regarding the human brain itself I have not acquired enough knowledge to come to those conclusions as you do.

Animals are smart (not in a human way) but they sure as hell aren't just a bunch of retarded living beings. Even pigs show a lot of thinking (disregarding the fact that they are all eaters which is disgusting).

Actually I think I know why you've appeared like a crazy man to me now, I've used the word sentience instead of sapience. Animals have a limtied level of sentience but not sapience. If it's on the error of my miscommunication then I'm sorry. However, if you'll try to argue animals have sapience I think we'll be back at step one.

>sentience
Its not even well defined, (you still haven't tried even though you tried to make it a substitute for consciousness instead of defining that) its not a widely used scientific term, its a buzz word from star trek, and even then animals are sentient by most definitions and animal rights laws.

high chinks are excluded

See
>Eighteenth-century philosophers used the concept to distinguish the ability to think (reason) from the ability to feel (sentience). In modern Western philosophy, sentience is the ability to experience sensations

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentience

Not well defined and made up by star tek. Okay.
I think I'm done.

>I've used the word sentience instead of sapience
So you want to deviate further from scientific jargon with something even harder to measure to prove a scientific point about a completely different semantic word than you started with?

It could be posited that animal minds function like Turing machines and are therefore finite, consistent systems. On the other hand, mathematics points to the fact that the human mind cannot be reduced thus.

>Scientific jargon
At this point you're pretty much confirming what I've said about you, I'm going to spend my time more productively. I think philosopers are insanely right when they talk about people, regardless to whatever you say will argue against you, because in the end only subjective realities matter. I mean it's all fun arguing against people here and deconstructing arguments, but at this point I'm not even having fun. I've just got a headache I'm visably cringing.

The ability to feel sensations seems more like a clear concise meaningful scientific definition to you than some vague immaterial poetry?

I didn't say star wars made it up I said it was popularized in culture because they used it as a buzzword.

You never really started since you still haven't even tried to provide evidence that you are the most smart animal let alone prove it.

That is where you started your claims though

Me?
I'm a individual in what, seven fucking billion?
Mate. I'm a spec of dust in the meaningless existence of the observable universe. All I've argued is that animals don't have sapience. Not that I'm some super amazing being. An incredible amoutn of humans are comparable to animals.

>That is where you started your claims though
Provide context please. Your view of the world is... skewered to say the least, I'll need you to provide your perspective to shine some light, even then it probably won't do jack shit because I think you're just trying troll me. I mean someone can't be this goddamned odd.

I've argued with social liberals who've had more clear and concise views then you, and that says something.

To provide context on my side, I'm going to tone down, try to push away my headache and at least have you explain where you're coming from because right now all my opinion is of you is that you're the type of person who has a heavy issue with confirmation bias. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt if you're able to prove that wrong.

TL;DR

What exactly are you two arguing about again?

people who lack basic empathy for animals might as well be turbo niggers.

I'm laughing so hard that I'm crying right now.

Unfortunately this thread is almost at its end, but how do you explain that human brains are not a FSM if our brain occupies finite space?

>meaningless existence
So you have come around to my original argument now I see. >All I've argued is that animals don't have sapience.
No you said the scientific community agrees that they lack consciousness and when that was BTFO, you went to sentience and when you saw that actually did have scientific implication and your claim was disproven you switch to pure philosophy like the wise old owl would.

>Your view of the world is... skewered to say the least
What is my view of the world again, I am not the most smart so I lose track of these references from time to time?

My original perspective is the same as it has been the bible gets some things right.

>300 replies

No, not really. You've got your personal anecdotes, I've got mine. Yes, behaviours are learned. That doesn't stop overflow of headlines covering a pitbull being a dangerous pet.

No, because I don't agree with you. Similarities don't mean we're familiar, there are so many similarities in this world that the thought of the horse shoe theory is plain retardation, especially if you understand an ounce of what causes us to do things.

>No you said the scientific community agrees that they lack consciousness and when that was BTFO, you went to sentience and when you saw that actually did have scientific implication and your claim was disproven you switch to pure philosophy like the wise old owl would.
Even if I told you my real intentions were talking about the human nature to reject, basically along the lines of sapience (CTRL + F that) you'd still dismiss me, so I don't really see a point in trying to convince a deluded idiot who considers anything he doesn't agree with "Pseudo-scientific jargon"

>The bible
Now I understand. Jesus christ you could of said this earlier. No wonder you're stone-walling me.

What i dont get are animal rights laws. If i kill my dog i can go to jail, but if i kill my fish no one cares. In either case theyre both my property.

My mistake, you said some things right.
I'd like to say, I'm not theist. I'm arguing from a standpoint of philosophy, you're arguing from a stand point of morality and liberalism (Not just using that word as jargon, you've talked about "Basic rights" so it fits into the context. We're obviously going to disagree. I'd say at this point, agree to disagree. Because we're just going back and forth pretending that one of us is going to back down out like some kind of character from a drama.

Don't be surprised, unlike what we idealize the state to be it's as fragile and idiot as we are. Laws usually have grey areas, or don't really serve any purpose other then actually harming the citizens themselves. They're usually based off this odd idea of "Justice" as if it was objective.

>Similarities don't mean we're familiar,
Being attached to a familiarity doesn't mean you aren't equally meaningless to something with completely different attachments and being able to see that doesn't make you most smart, the outer shell of a turd might be called a crust, but its still just turd and no better than the central dookie.

Animals reject their babies all the time I already gave the ant fungus example to show examples of deliberation and rejection among animals.

>the bible
I kind of implied they got very few thing correct, but some quotes are timeless in their truth.

So whats your purpose then?
Also just niggers and chinks lack empathy on animals.

I started out just seeing if you can defend your statement that the scientific community agrees that animals don't have consciousness, but I stayed for all the butthurt and retreat.

In Genesis it says that animals used to talk to people, iirc.

We eat them now, but they aren't to be disrespected or taken for granted.

I wish people were conscious of their biases. Everyone who "loves animals" loves cute furry things.

Environmental activists usually hurt the efforts of environmental sciences because they make us look like hippie morons.

OP is a fag. Post cute animals.

>from a standpoint of philosophy
>you're arguing from a stand point of morality and liberalism
First, those are two types of philosophies and I would say I was arguing from the point of view of nihilism and anarchy while you are arguing some retarded egosim and incoherent spiritualism.

Also as a cat owner: cats are fuckinf faggots and so are their owners. Most useless domesticated animal only good for killing vermin and spreading toxo plasmosis. Cats are also a huge threat to local bird populations. We've got endangered warbler species here but people let their cats out side and own a shit ton cause theyre so cute and cuddley.

I work at a government lab that tests nerve agents on animals, mostly beagles. We kill hundreds of those little shits. Working here has made me feel nothing when animals die. I'd be okay if the city purchased an incinerator on wheels to handle strays. Pic related, but not where I work. We aren't allowed to take photos where I work.

>Being attached to a familiarity doesn't mean you aren't equally meaningless
I didn't imply otherwise.

See
I make an error and used the wrong word and now you're trying to make me out to look like an idiot. I'm the poster here actually agreeing to his mistakes, you're just the person rewording what I've said, saying the same thing repeatedly (Claiming I thought I was smart, which I never implied and made it obvious I was talking about sapience and the ability humans have to actively act against their native instincts, which isn't just excluded to this point, which you can't deny. Regardless of my wording I did throughout my posts talk about the human ability to act against nature, not just act out of survival instincts.

Tons of environmental activists are right-wing, infact EPA came in on a republican president. Isn't just limited to hippie idiocy but it's commonly associated with it as the most vocal city dwelling vegans usually make a point in their lives to go out and humilate anyone who actually believes in environmental protection for valid reasons.

>Spiritualism
I never implied, I've made it obvious what talking about
>Retarded Egoism
ahahaha.

Uhh buddy, spent a little time reading anarchist and nihlist theory to actually understand the stupid comment you just made there?

The fucking hilarious thing is, I actually read about anarcho-nihlism, if you've seen through my posts, I've actually been arguing for it. You of course haven't been noticing this because you're far too focused in my mistakes, and you've got a tunnel vision.

Degenerate.

>I didn't imply otherwise.
No you outright claim you are positively superior and somehow less meaningless.

So you now do thing animals have scientifically measurable consciousness, they have sentience, they have abstract reasoning abilities, they have individual perspective, they learn from their environment and make decision, but the important thing is that they lack some vague semantic quality like wisdom that is not measurable by science.

I'm heavily in favor of animal protection and rights. If we could come to reasonable terms about sub-saharan africans I totally could imagine to put them under protection programms and just leave them alone.

Let's face it, foreign aid doesn't cut it and often enough perpetuates african dependance.

I said humanity, not me.
Not the individual.
Are you plain retarded?
Do you have reading comprehension?

You know I'll bite, I think animals might be somewhat intelligent, because it's the only way to explain how goddamned silly your comments are.

>So you now do thing animals have scientifically measurable consciousness, they have sentience, they have abstract reasoning abilities, they have individual perspective, they learn from their environment and make decision, but the important thing is that they lack some vague semantic quality like wisdom that is not measurable by science.

I've agreed they're able to feel.
Everything is able to feel. Possibly even the little mircroisms inside of our bodies which lack minds, they undertake some interesting activities but they ultimately lack a brain.

When it comes to abstract reasoning abilities, even our mentally defective can piece two and two together, doesn't mean they're as capable as other humans.

Individual perspective is bound to every being. Even ones without brains I'd say, like flora adapts and learns it's surrounding nature. It doesn't even have a cranium. Making statements that adapation and learning is limited to mind and trying to use that to compare animals to humans is just silly.

Of course sapience isn't measured by science as of now, just 70 years ago we were using voodoo practices for medience. We've had doctors here and there in the past who explained such theories but did not meet the depth which we have today. You seem to think that as of now we're able to comprehend everything. Quite the contrary. Science is young and infantile.
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yeah, but I feel the same way about other humans and there are programs for them; so in the interest of being fair I guess we might as well spend time on animals, too.

So humanity is better than ants, but you aren't necessarily better than an ant?

Are you being a contrarian cunt on purpose or you you just say that because you know I think the opposite I think ants are better than humanity, but I am better than an individual ant?

> Science is young and infantile.
That is a far cry from your original claim that scientific communities agree humans have some spiritual wisdom that animals lack.

If you are slightly better at being completely meaningless does that make you more meaningful?

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Fuck off, Mohammad

A nigger could technically speak to a human but that doesn't mean we need to respect it simply it's a nigger. Respect must be earned.

Smartness, intelligence is really determined to what you value those two words as, at this point we're deconstructing things for the sole sake of argument and as we're both seemingly anarcho-nihilists you know exactly how that'll end.

No, I'm not.
No, from my perspective you were attacking me as and individual and trying to make me the basis of my statement as some kind of meaningful attack. I could very well fit into the concept of human wisdom, but I'd rather seperate the I in an argument when I'm arguing about the reality beyond my personal perspective. So that's why I'm saying humanity has seemingly a higher state of being, humanity, as itself, not myself as a human. Because if we were arguing my personal intelligence, hell, that'd probably never end.

Can you say otherwise? I know they'd agree upon concesus that they'd agree upon sentience beyond my error of words, but sapience? That's entirely different. It isn't just a buzzword. It's a whole philosophical field.

Life is inherently meaningless and we create our own meaning, via subjective reality. So you could argue that all animals and humans are the same etcetra. It wouldn't matter to me. I value the philosophical element of why and you value some babby's first introspective nihilism. I saw my boyfriend go through this. He snapped out of it once he realized that subscribing to nothingness, and not creating your own nirvarna is just silly. The whole point of it isn't to crash down and become pitiful, it's about wrecking your old house and building a new one.

humans are animals.

Oops, not Nivarna. I mean your own values. Nivarna's abandonment of everything and yourself.

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>Given that animals are just stupid meaty automatons
lmao you've never been hunted by an animal lmao

>I'm arguing about the reality beyond my personal perspective
That is probably why your arguments are so misguided.

Animals can lie when they get to certain levels of intelligence, chimps can deceive and pretend and even dogs will try to hide if they have done something knowingly wrong.

You know what I mean mate, anyhow. Seems like things have cooled down and you've understood where I'm coming from. See ya. Have a cat.

And this is how you shall perish.

When we let our nukes fly, be aware that we have absolutely no respect for you.

You're weak, so weak I don't even know what turd world country your flag is from. And that is of no consequence because of American exceptionalism, and because We are the strong and you are the weak.

Our niggers wield more power and respect than you do.

See the flaw in your edgy 12 year old logic, untermensch?

my dick is a meaty automaton that's programmed to fuck your mom, OP

>muh animals so much better than humans ;)
>except pigs who are smarter than most dogs, fuck 'em they are not cute so it's ok to kill them

animal fuckers are hypocrites and your pets don't love you, they would eat your flesh if you died before them they see you as a weird creature retarded enough to provide for another species not as a parent figure

I'm a turtle so I know a thing or two.

Yes, but dogs hide because they regret what they've done and try to escape punishment and they can't comprehend the idea that they could control you.

Also nobody keeps a pet chimp except French women.

You did the 180, though, I an sticking with my original argument about meaninglessness and death and you have completely distanced yourself from all of your original rants about what scientific communities think, but if you are ready to agree with me about meaninglessness of it all I accept that you concede and your philosophy is garbage.

Only human life is sacred.
Which is why I am pro-life.