Why Catalonia wants to be separate state from Spain? Why Catalan nation is another one than Spain?

they regional goberment doesnt want to be blamed because of their own corruption, so they create smoke screens, this is one of them, spain rob us, fuck em

here in spain we have our own inside jokes, the one about the catalonians is that they always go full jew

>jokes

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Pure coincidence.

I agree with Spain over Catalonia, but I think the Spanish government hasn't handled it well, Rajoy and the Spanish government should have given them a referendum early on, denying them the referendum will only make them more zealous and more likely to break away in the future. You could have nipped it in the bud like we did with Scotland.

I like Spain btw.

>Algarve could declare for independance any minute now ?
Right, and survive on 3-4 months of tourists every year

That's funny.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3512176/Scottish-Jews-finally-tartan-300-year-wait.html

It's actually bullshit, language is also an issue, and these fucking faggots can't be trusted with the Catalan language.

>Jewish influence is exclusive to Catalonia guys!

t. Madrid

London is pushing and pushing and pushing to become an independent city state because they are fed up of having to subsidise the entire UK, not just England but all of the UK.

City of London is already an autonomous region (sort of). It has its own laws and all that shit.

olei.org.il/index.php/72-notiolei/actualidad/726-israel-felicita-la-decision-de-espana-de-otorgar-la-nacionalidad-a-los-sefardies

No he's right, a lot of it is about "hurr muh resources, hurr muh money". I know someone from Catalonia (Barcelona) and it's all he talks about. He tried to go and get involved in the SNP bullshit saying "it would help Catalonia become independent" I told him he should stay out of it as it's none of his business.

He didn't listen, he went and waved a Saltire and Catalonian flag with them in London.

Fuck that shit.

I take it you are not catalonian. I have catalonian friends and they feel like other parts of the country are draining them. They also don´t consider theirselves as spanish.

No he isn't right, there are other issues like culture and language, to claim that it's only about money is bullshit, there are unionist parties against Catalonia being "drained" too.

Let them be, build a wall along M25 and require tolls from every piece of goods entering or exiting.

because socialism and SJWs. Barcelona's mayor is a radical socialist with a big sign on city hall saying refugees welcome. I witnessed a radical leftist protest group storming a public building, setting fire and holding out signs of the windows in arabic with the cops standing near them just watching. this city is going down the drain man
alo this

It isn't, learn history

The Catalans already have their language allowed, I've been to Barcelona many times and see all the signs in English, Catalan and Spanish. It's just bullshit nationalism when the entire region should be working together to fix the mess that is going on across Spain. And yes it is about money you've just said it "Catalonia is being drained". Nevermind the years upon years of Spanish government payments to the area, only the shitty times do areas want to break away. It's a common thing among many separatist movements. They are more than happy to reap the benefits during the good times, but want to fuck off during the bad times.

Nah it's City of London not Greater London. City of London is already autonomous, sort of. As I said, it has its own laws and even its own mayor (not that paki).

please please don't tell milongas

it's all about money-power

You forgot to mention that Barcelona's mayor isn't a separatist and she's being pressured constantly by separatists parties to pick a side once and for all.

And before anyone says, yes, all speratists parties are full of SJWs too and EU puppets, just like any party in Spain.

The referendum is against the Constitution, right now national sovereignty is in the Spanish people as a whole, you have to change the constitution and make a referendum asking the Spaniards if they want to give up their sovereingty to the Catalan region.

doesn't change the fact that she's a radical leftist that blindly supports refugees welcome

>The Catalans already have their language allowed, I've been to Barcelona many times and see all the signs in English, Catalan and Spanish. It's just bullshit nationalism when the entire region should be working together to fix the mess that is going on across Spain.

So my language "being allowed" is a good thing, I guess when centralists tried to erase it from history that was in my imagination, as I said before, they can't be trusted with our language and as of today they control many language policies.

> And yes it is about money you've just said it "Catalonia is being drained"

I said it's not only about money, yes money is also included, learn to read.

>Nevermind the years upon years of Spanish government payments to the area

What the fuck are you talking about, Catalonia has always given more than it has received.

Sure I agree, what does this have to do with separatism?

>And before anyone says, yes, all speratists parties are full of SJWs too and EU puppets, just like any party in Spain.
Yeah we know, we deal with it constantly. The only two areas (Wales and England) are the only ones that fight back against it. Wales has more reason than any place in the UK to want to break away.

But it doesn't, it sticks by you through the good and bad times. UNLIKE the treason from the Scottish scum. They are radical leftwing nutjobs. Not all of them, but the cunts that support the SNP and even then that all boils down to "muh munny, muh oil" even though they run a budget deficit higher than Greece. You imagine that? You imagine subsidising an area that runs a deficit higher than Greece, only to have them tell you how bad you are for stealing their money. When we aren't stealing their money at all, they have no money for us to steal.

Fuck them, fuck them all.

Pure propaganda and social engineering. In every fucking country the richest regions recieve less money per capita that the poorest regions

Why do big cities have such a delusions about their importance? They don´t grow food, they don´t manufacture anything, even most of the r&d is done somewhere else. People in cities need to realize that they are actually supported by everyone outside.

I generally don't agree the comparison between Scotland and Catalonia, I think Catalonia would survive on its own, I don't know about Scotland.

I get that, honestly I do. But to nip this shit in the bud and end it. You should have just given it to them, it would have died out. They would have done a Scotland on it and voted to stay part of Spain. Call their bluff, the longer you deny them, the longer you say "no no no" the more ardent you make them.

Just shut the fuck up and be grateful that Rajoy hasn't occupied Catalonia with paras and shut the place up, denied the languages, and exterminated the entire population to keep them quiet.

You shut your hole and stop complaining.

Espartero did nothing wrong

Why do spanish boys make such hot feminine traps?

>Just shut the fuck up and be grateful that Rajoy hasn't occupied Catalonia with paras and shut the place up, denied the languages, and exterminated the entire population to keep them quiet.

You shut your hole and stop complaining

Nice argument but I'm going to keep complaining until those cowards actually have the balls to send tanks.

Catalonia would not survive on it's own for the simple reason that it would create a precedent in the EU and Merkel would ensure it crashes down with no survivors.

In London's case it isn't really a delusion. 1.2 trillion of the UK's total GDP comes from London. It literally is subsidising the entire UK lol..

But it is similar.

>Herp muh resources
>Herp we contribute more (no you don't LOL)
>Herp muh language
>Herp muh history

Whilst you're right, Scotland is a Kingdom in its own right, it came crawling to England for a bailout and then joined as part of the UK and neither the English people or the Scottish people actually wanted it. I mean we had a fucking revolution to get a Scottish catholic executed and away from England for crying out loud.

It seems to me that Catalonia changes people somehow. The family´s mother is actually from Southern Spain but turned later into full-blown catalan. They have some sort of anarchism in their blood..

Then the problem is in the EU not Catalonia's economy don't you think?

My point was that Catalonia's economy is stronger than Scotland's.

>You shut your hole and stop complaining
No you shut your hole or I blow you up. with my cock.

>My point was that Catalonia's economy is stronger than Scotland's.
Greece's economy is stronger than Scotland's. LOL

It was part of the quote you cuck

You're the cuck, cucked by the Spanish government.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL! Keep dreaming about being independent. You'll fail, just like Republic of Ireland and Scotland.

>tfw catalan but don't want independence
i hope trump wins so i can move out before spain implodes

>What the fuck are you talking about, Catalonia has always given more than it has received.

You are forgetting the 18th and 19th centuries protectionist measures that allowed Catalan industries to flourish. People from the rest of Spain had to buy more expensive products made in Catalonia instead of those cheaper made in the rest of Europe. You are also forgetting the high speed train, the olympic games, SEAT,...

See this is why I feel sorry for the normal Spanish, the separatist movements always forget about their own times of need, when they were bailed out, when they got given help.

That all goes out the window, not even a fucking thank you for it.

I'll still keep going to Spain btw and I'll make a point of pissing in Barcelona'n streets.

You clean my piss up!

I want Aragón back, fuck Castilla.

Yes, a lot of pro-independence Catalans are sons of inmigrants of the rest of Spain that came in the last century. They have some sort of complex and they are constantly trying to prove their ''Catalanity''. For me they are traitors to their history and their blood

Communism is religion of the envious :^)

The triangle is exactly as the flags of Puerto Rico, Cuba and Philippines. It's said that it is a mason symbol, who have been the leaders of the independence of Spain's former colonies.

We're evil crypto-jews.

CORRUPTION AND MONEY IS OUR HISTORY.

OY VEY
ESPANYA ENS ROBA.
APAGA'L POL! ELS XARNEGS HO SABEN.

M-muh, catalonia=joos
youtube.com/watch?v=gy6xPyIY0SA

Aragón didn't go anywhere, it's still where it was.

KEKED
es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decretos_de_Nueva_Planta_del_Reino_de_Aragón

this

and guess who are the (((leading))) politicians who are pushing this? yes you're right

From what I understand, the Spanish Government fucks over Catalonia a lot and refuses to give them more autonomy.

Catalonia should just seperate desu. Like Quebec. They're 2 countries within a country that is different from themselves. Whether Catalan independence ever happens is another thing.

>letting Jews ruin the Spanish union

Anglo pls

Any country that does not give the right of a part of their country the right to secede is an undemocratic country.

So Catalans are all cucks, right? That's why they got rid of bullfighting in Barcelona?

Why isn't there a separatist movement for Castile, Aragon, Navarre, Leon, Galicia, Granada?

Why only Catalonia?

Btw, is there any relation with the fact that Spain always had a tension between centralism and "federalism" and the many divisions of Spanish America, in contrast with Portuguese America and everlasting centralism in Portugal?

(((Catalonia)))

We have been invaded by immigrants from the rest of Spain (mainly andalusians) that usually hate everything related to catalonia. They have been here for 40 years and still hate our language and traditions. Sure, there are some that have adapted and really feel that they belong here instead of andalusia, but they aren't the majority. Others, mainly leftists, are supporting the independence while they don't really give a fuck about identity (they gladly accept massive immigration, lol) just because in catalonia there are more leftists, and the fact that spanish nationalists hate regional nationalisms. They want to antagonize them and create an state to run their left policies.

About the relationship between Catalonia and the rest of Spain, there's an obvious conflict on how we see Spain as a nation. While most spaniards consider Castille as the body of the nation and not feel as theirs or despise the cultural differences, we want (or at least wanted) to see it as a whole. In spite of the relative institutional stability of the convivence between the different cultures, there have been A LOT of fucking statements and controversies about it. It's like we are stuck in a permenent conflict, in which the minority will inevitably perish due demographic issues. In Valencia (they speak catalan and our culture is similar) their language is dying and the so called valencianists (which are spaniard nationalists) accuse of pan catalanists everyone that supports the language. It has been so ridiculous and destructive for Valencian culture... the situation there is truly surrealist. The ethnic valencians have being accused and despised for protecting their own culture. Fortunately, after decades of spanish nationalism and corruption, they have been defeated in the last elections.

Spain is a de facto federation with more autonomy given to regions than similar countries such as Germany or Russia

>Cred Forums supporting a bunch of marxist antifas independentists

You are all a bunch of ignorant motherfuckers. Only an idiot would support the basque and catalonian independency. Spain is the union of two kingdoms making it a new one, Spain. The only conflict with catalonia occurred centuries later when they supported a different king and rebelled. That's all, the new independence movement is in essence marxist or just cuckservative. In catalonia the expulsion of the jews didnt worked well, sadly, and throught history they have trued jewish tricks to destroy Spain in their favor. Since the democracy they have manipulated history, their population is brainwashed and their politicians are pro-israel (well, no wonder the international mass-media support the catalonian and basque marxist independentist movements)

About that...

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationalisms_and_regionalisms_of_Spain

Papa Espana please respond.
BRmonkey is right.

Spainards are shitty administrators.

Que dices illo, la mayoría de charnegos que conozco son mas indepes que los propios catalanes

Because they already have Spain. They feel represented by the goverment. The majority of spaniards see it as the body of the nation. If there were millions of catalan immigrants living there , most of spaniards were catalans and there were retarded statement against their culture the situation would be different.

The post was too large

The situation is complicated; it's hard to sum up. There have obviously been retarded statements and movements from catalonian goverment too. I'm pretty disappointed with the whole independentist movement, but I just don't want to end like Valencia.

kek.

Deconquista.

But Spain is a union between the Crowns of Castile and Aragon.

Castile being the union between Leon and Castile.

The concept of "Spain" was literally just fabricated by the Pope to combat the Muslims and "christianise the world".

Spaniards are terrible colonisers anyway.

Aragon died long time ago. Now they're just castile 2.0
es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decretos_de_Nueva_Planta_del_Reino_de_Aragón
The vision of castile won.

(((Spain)))

Tetard catalans are being played like a dool catalan state would be same shotvasveverything else anti self.

What are the chances of Catalonia seceding?

Look at infependence of every state elsewhere, domonated by bigger power.

Is it bad per se?

I mean isnt catalonia a leftist stronghold? Less subversion of spainish politics?

Or am i mistaken?

Spain is 500 years old its nature is not marxist.

>believing in (((democracy)))

>draining them

not this shit again....
Thanks God I was not born there

Mate, Catalonia can't even hold a referendum vote. If Bavaria wanted to, I imagine they would be able to. And comparing yourself on democratic levels with Russia isn't a smart move.

Fact is that Spain refusing to give Catalonia a vote only further inflames nationalism in Catalonia. Just give them a vote and deal with it. We nearly halved the size of our nation because we believed in democracy. Catalonia is tiny in Spain. Who cares if they leave anyway?

Spain saw to the btfo of kikes and moors, divided iberia is very bad.

Leftist but most of its leftist movement is just about independentism and pro eu. Not that they have a chance of getting independent, but they are always complaining. They are the spoiled kid of Spain, sometimes I would love to see them out of here.
Personally, I don't find anything at Catalonia unique or worth mentioning. But that's just me, my mother loves it. And also tourists.

Almost none.

I wish they had the damn referendum just so they fucked off and their politicians get caught. Our government is stupid.

well they speak a different language so might as well

There is one saviour. If the EU orders secessions to be legal, then we could very well see Spain's laws change and the constitution change to permit secessions. It's a slim hope but it's the only one that Catalonia has. I wouldn't put it past the EU to do something like that.

Eu is economic union it doesnt have authority bor army for that.

BORRA AIXÒ

Would still bang.

Taking into account that independence support has reached its maximum (the goverment couldn't have been more retarded, they have only awaken the movement) which is about 50%, i would say that the chances are rather small. Ethnic catalans are a minority and the non ethnic support it because they're leftists and want to create an state to run their policies. As soon as there's a leftist goverment in Spain most of them will support it. However, it's clear that the conservatives will remain in the goverment and win the next elections. In addition to that, the traditional left party (psoe) hasn't been of much help in this conflict, and is not as left as independentists like. If they form goverment with podemos (they support an inclusive idea of Spain and are more leftists) i suppose that leftist independentist will be satisfied.

Pretty much this. The war of Spanish secession is the historical starting point of Catalan nationalism - specifically the Siege of Barcelona.

The fact is the Catalonia has never been an independent state. It was an semi-autonomous county within the Crown of Aragon and an Autonomous community within the Kingdom of Spain.

You now have revisionist historians speaking of a fictional historical entity Crown of Catalonia-Aragon and the Catalan Countries

> Eu is economic union

lol. The other day they wanted to regulate Switzerland's gun laws. It's no longer an economic union. It's a political union. They even want their own army. bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37482773

You know why we (UK) are resisting it? Because the US would have far less leverage over Europe if an EU army was about. NATO would be redundant. The UK is the US's way into Europe. Europe will no longer be influenced by the US if the EU politician's dream is made.

Our Constitution can't be changed just like that, it would require new elections and also a referendum to change it and spaniards would never accept that change.

EU does not want Catalonia to split, mainly because they are proEU and they would be also in debt with Spain. France amd Portugal have also said that they will not tolerate nor cooperate with an independent Catalonia because they value Spain's trade and alliance

>non ethnic support it because they're leftists and want to create an state to run their policies. As soon as there's a leftist goverment in Spain most of them will support it.
So much thissss

They don't understand. If the goverment had let us vote, we would have probably lost and the movement would have lost strength. They're so obssesed with the sacred union of the nation that they have forgotten pragmatism.

Spain should tell Catalonia they can have independence but that big boy independent countries have their own football leagues so Barcelona will be kicked out of the Spanish league.

They'll soon stop their tantrums.

Ill make it simple.

Catalan independence is a very recent phenomenon with little to no historical backing.

The only instances where Catalans would be considered "independent" would be:
a) during the Civil war literally a couple weeks before they all got anally raped by Nationalist badassing.
b) Aragon, a kingdom which is NOT catalan, and to which "Catalonia" was a county of. Yes a rich and influencial one, but still. The Kingdom of Aragon. (Aragonese is also one of the most based and nationalist regions of Spain, which doesnt make sense).

Catalans are trying to spread their cancer but ended with less than 1% of the vote in Valencia area, and the balear islands could not give a single fuck.

The new age of Catalonian independence was initiated by a (((gentleman))) named Jordi Puyol. At the time and until recently he was praised as the God Emperor of Catalonia. Truth is he is a thief like all Catalans. EVERY single construction or project in Catalonia, would have 3-5% of the cost go directly to his family cartel thing he set up.

Eventually somewhere in the 80s, Spanish govt. started investigated "where the fuck is the money going", so he passed the "Estatut", with the support of the sell-out cuck liberals to get to power, granting Catalonia "special status".

From this moment on the diverged the Catalan education system into a "historically corrected" version. Which is where 30-40 years later we have people so blindly indoctrinated to believe they are special (from a region where close to 50% of the population is non-Catalan).

Unlike the rest of Spain, they were not taught about how Spain found America and made it its bitch. No, they learned how awful Spain was (keep in mind Columbus was financed and backed mostly by Aragonese/Catalans), and their atrocities which we super-cool PC catalans had nothing to do with. Basically a we-wuz-kangz edition of Spain.

Any questions?

Also confirming. I've not met a spaniard that supports their independence. We all know they are corrupt as us and they use independence to scape our judges.

Catala is gay and difficult to read

Spanish is god language

Delet Catalonia

Hell, the richer Northern European countries could say the same about us. Spain's transport infracstructure is built on the back of EU funding - and it's some of the best.

Now we are having to fund poorer countries like Poland and Bulgaria, which I have no problem with. It's called solidarity.

Like i said its a slim hope but if the EU increases their political union stance then they could enforce it. 20 years ago, the idea of the EU controlling borders would have you laughed at. I think the EU having their own constitution is what they ultimately want.

Even if the government wanted to make a referendum the constitutional court would never allow it.

>Pujol
>Independentist
Yeah, sure

>No, they learned how awful Spain was (keep in mind Columbus was financed and backed mostly by Aragonese/Catalans), and their atrocities which we super-cool PC catalans had nothing to do with. Basically a we-wuz-kangz edition of Spain.

You see the same thing with Scotland. Scottish independence lefties have convinced themselves that the British empire was in fact the English empire and Scotland was just another poor oppressed colony rather than a willing participant which was if anything, over-represented in the administration of empire.

Mira mascle, vés a la merda de veritat.

EU is AGAINST Catalonian secession.
Also, I think that if the EU makes us accept by force their separatist laws, no spaniard will be in favor of it. We would leave the EU.
Catalonia is a big trigger in Spain. Just talk about it and we will jump and talk about using tanks against those (((penny pinchers)))

Fuck yuoooo

Catalan here, ex-independentist. Basically it's another trick to keep voters busy with stuff that will go nowhere and won't improve our lives.

The excuse is a false nationalism based on a different language and feelings of mutual hatred. Most catalonian nationalist are the cuckest cucks, that's why I don't support that movement anymore.

Now to the recent Catalan lies.

Catalans and their slogan of "Espanya ens roba" is a myth. Thinking themselves to be the economic powerhouse of Spain. Truth is only the city of Madrid, not the region, creates three times the GDP of entire Catalonia to begin with.

Secondly, Catalans claiming that they are being used as a piggy bank for Spain, lie. On average every tax-paying Spaniard has to pay nearly 1000 € a year to support these goys and their cultural bubble, along with false economic stability (all being subsidized by Spain).

Worst part is that this money Spaniards put into these god-forgetten rats, well what is it used for?
Recently I found myself taking part in a trip with some friends to Barcelona, where we took the "official" (Catalan indoctrination approved) tour. 2 hours of tour. 15 mins at the beginning selling us the independence story, at this point I was interested because I had never heard of this bullshit that this lib-tard whore was saying (keep in mind I engaged in sceptic mode the second she told us about the "Refugees welcome" banner on the town hall and how they are Europeans who are open and went to help). So I did my own research. Back to the story. EVERY single site we visited had a story about how bad Spain was, taking for example the jail. She told us about how the Spanish tortured and violated the rights of Jews and Muslims in these rooms. etc.

Spanish tax-payer money goes so that they can spread their propaganda, and live in their "European city" (which in 1992 was completely remodelled using exclusively Spanish tax-payer money to look nice). Now these sons of whores go around boasting about this artificially beautiful city as if they built it themselves and Spain is taking advantage of them.

CiU is a conservative-nationalist party just like the PNV in the Basque Country. Historically, they wanted more rights for Catalonia but not independence. It was only recently that they started competing with ERC to see who is the most nationalist

>Navarre

There is, people want to put the basque country under the navarre flag and fuck off from Spain. The rest IDK

you stoked for ours then?

Why do people in Madrid care about Catalans? Is it about football

absolutely. Theyre completely delusional and try to blame all "bad", dark, or non-pc things on England in this case, or Spain.

"Espanya ens roba" is just propaganda, all you need to debunk it is basic economics.

The Catalan bourgeoisie is full of Maranos. It's as plain as the nose on their faces.

>molt
>honorable

Basques can leave they are irrelevant.

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West and east spain are what cant leave, they could immigrate out of spain if they hate it.

Estamos rodeados de judios, Norte Independiente cuando?

Honestly I would have preferred ciu to stay like that, a nationalist pro autonomy party. Now we are in a movement that goes nowhere, full of lefties and ciu is divided and controlled by cup and erc. There are corrupts, but they're the best compared to the others. As a conservative and nationalist i don't know what to vote. Unió is dead

Norte raza maestra

Catalans have shit genetics. They are fugly

Madrid has the same sign. Pic related.

Claro que sí manolo.

Checked

Can you even differetiate a catalqn and a portugyese?

There are no barriers between rest spanish regions and catalonia

Left - inferior catalan dyke genes
Right - superior Andalusian genes

Forgot pic

Catalan girls (except in Barcelona) are disgusting

Corrupt leaders want it to scape from the spanish justice system.
Some people actually think they would be richer..

Yeaah sure..

Antifa """""""girls"""""" are like that

¿Por qué el fascismo no trabajar en España?

funcionó aquí en México (TLC hasta que es cuando comenzó PRI proxenetismo fuera del país)

Aprende como hablar español maldito chicano

Yes you can
If you see a woman with hipster glasses, bobby afro hair, piercings on their faces and retarded kerchiefs, that's a catalan for you

>but independent Scotland would be 5/5

There is literally no reasonable case for Scottish independence. They're perfectly happy to break away from the country they have been a part of for 400 years and that they have the most culturally in common with. It takes a special kind of idiot to want to leave one of the most stable economies in the world just to be shackled to the European Union.

If they wanted true independence, I could kind of get it, but I think they under-appreciate just how culturally and economically tied they are with the UK.

They constantly talk about how they have no power in parliament, but every Labour win has been thanks to Scottish seats.

She doesn't look like a catalan. I bet she has castillian blood

Catalan surnames

the thing with catalonians is
1 they live in the fucking past, like the half of the population, they cant forget the civil war, I understand that both sides were and are spanish, so I belive we can remember both heroic and mounstroicities actions
2 they are literally autistic, they are all alt right and belive that a independent state would solve all of its problems

What is castillian blood and catalan blood?

>they are all alt right
Wat? Are you retarded? Your whole fucking post doesn't make any sense

Dejale, me hace gracia, parece un indio de las pelis de baqueros

Jews want revenge for the persecution that the catholic kings made against them

Surnames doesn't mean much when the region had high influx of immigrants. And the truth is that she doesn't look like the average real catalan you can find everywhere in Catalonia

About the woman of your pic, she is ugly.

Castillian blood = people from the former Castillian kingdom

crap, I meant left, sorry is hot in here

what I ment with all that crap is that instead of forgetting shit that happened long ago, they prefer to keep blaming the rest of the country

Same shit, there's barely any racial difference between the people of Spain. One could argue there's a basque look, even though you can find the same look all over the country (tall, long-nosed and horse-faced : atlanto-meds).

There is only spenish blood.

Poortugal has spenish catalan has spenish pure basques are higly related to spenish and many have spenish blood andalusia has spenish blood in lower amounts etc..

Who are the Serbs of Spain?

Nobody, we are not balkan niggers who slaughter their brothers while the globalists jew laugh and clap, fuck off

That's right, Spaniards! Go full Civil War. It will end with the ocupation of Galicia, Leon, asturias, Extremadura, Castillas and Andaluzia by us

>average catalan
Like if there were any standard
You can use this argument with everybody

Catalans are self hating spaniards who hate themsel es and want to be french.

we gave catalonia to the french once, they gave it back to us without us asking to get it back

>Like if there were any standard
Yes, the people you find on the streets

Les honhonhon baguettes stole perpignan and killed occitan culture, our bros.

Fora gabatxos de perpinyà rRREEEE

Anna Gabriel is also xarnega

Why are you answering your own posts with terrible ortography and just spouting random nonsense? Are you drunk or something?

Nació en Sallent y pertenece a una familia minera. Su padre emigró desde Minas de Riotinto y llegó a Sallent para trabajar en la mina y su madre, nacida allí, proviene de una familia minera de Murcia y militó en el PSUC.
Kek, true. I would gladly send her back to the south

Do spaniards here actually care about gibraltar or is it a political tool used to deflect from their current problems.

Let's join forces to fuck OUR REAL ENEMIES.

is a meme here, we all want it back, but its a useless craphole

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t. castilian oppressor

>I would gladly send her back to the south
If Catalonia got rid of Xarnegos, they would be left with ugly dyke antifas

No we don't. there's nothing of value there for us.

Because it's their country??

THIS Occitalonia must be a thing.
youtube.com/watch?v=j6qT8v6VK_4

Everyone desires an own nation for their people and culture. For example, during the referendum wether Norway would become independent from Sweden in the early 1900's, only 400 or so people voted to stay, despite their language and culture being similar to ours. But that doesn't really matter, everyone wants a nation for their own. That is why I think Catalans should get their own nation, likewise with Galicia and Basque country. Most of us would hate living in a country with a culture that isn't yours and a language that isn't your native tounge.

I was referring to anna gabriel, who is xarnega. Inés can stay, she's married with a catalan and receiving butifarra.

Sweden is not iberia.

If you behave castilian oppressor will help you to make massive gains and remove french from southern France in revenge of what they did with occitan

the thing is that everything is pretty much the same, there is not a major difference between catalonia and spain as a whole

Karma is a bitch Sven. In 20 years you will see shitskins claiming parts of your country and there's nothing you can do to stop them since they outbreed you

Because Catalans are the San Franciscoans of Spain.

What makes you think valencia and Balearic Islands would want to be your underlings? What makes you think the bigger Occitania would be willing to become a lesser partner of the smaller region called Catalonia?

Oh, it's like the andalusians that came here and minorized us, and now we cannot decide the future by ourselves

lol. Africans will seek Stockholm independence. lmao

English guy living in Barcleona here. Catalans are fucking pricks. The best people here are those that have arrived from other areas of Spain and Europe.

BTW, Catalan chicks are fucking rank. Some seriously inbred shit going on here.

because spain are just greedy oppressors,

Only that most of your stupid independence movement supporters are xarnegos

Thank God the fate of the catalan nation won't be decided in an internet board, most of you don't even know what the hell you are talking about.

Catalan "nation" no such thing.

>nation

The Basque has an independence movement.

>Catalonia
>nation
Pick one and only one

Are you seriously comparing Sweden with Spain?

Catalonians are just Spanish faggots cosplaying as a fantasy culture. They want to be independent simply because they have no understanding of economics and politics and think it'd somehow make everything perfect.

It's like with the Scottish Independence movement. Everyone from fascists to communists believed that an independent Scotland would be a paradise in their own imagine.

>nation

¿Qué coño te enseñaron en la escuela, Jordi García Rodríguez?

>to be your underlings

We need a bigger endeavour,a bigger goal to unite us!

muh constitution muh legality muh unity will not work.

I'm not catalan.

>We need a bigger endeavour,a bigger goal to unite us!
Can we call it Majorcan kingdom? Unlike Catalonia, Majorca was an independent kingdom once

not possible, they would be "opressed" again

Is it actually that they're SJWs though, or is it just like the Scottish National Party where they use it to virtue signal so they can get away with being nationalists in a stupid world that thinks nationalism = immediately irredentist natsoc+yugoslavia genocides?

Consider, the SNP also say "refugees welcome" and are the only major party in the UK to explicitly say immigration is good (Labour tend to go "err, yeah... but i mean effects...controls... pls vote for us") but the primary reason the SNP can do this is because immigrants don't bother moving to Scotland, and those that do are white. Scottish attitudes are just as anti-immigration as the rest of the UK, and of the view it's far too high (thanks to a shared media.)

>every Labour win has been thanks to Scottish seats.
lol what

Everything comes from Pamplona and León, and both are cucked to hell and back twice, anyway.

If only 50% of Catalans are ethnic Catalonians, what are the rest of 50%? Do they support independence?

>No Aragon?
>No Castille?

Inmigrants from the rest of Spain that came in the last century to work in the industry built there by Franco, or in the previous centuries thanks to protectionist measures. They are usually the most radical independence supporters

To be fair, the "deficit larger than greece" thing is a recent development.

There exists the possibility (depending on how one calculates it - the UK has had a pretty shit regime for extracting revenue from north sea oil and essentially gave the majority of the income away in tax cuts) that Scotland would have a hilarious surplus had it left in the 70s, so relative to that the current dip would be nothing.

Consider, as recently as 2011 they were breaking even.

>they have a different language and common to their territory

>they have their own politicians and economic relations, etc.

>own culture and psychology

If Catalonia were Spain it would just be called Spain and not Catalonia and we wouldn't have national problems with them.

The facts above just show that even if you want to say otherwise Catalonia developed as a nation during the rise of industrialization and markets and they're being forced to stay in a Third-World Spanish state that not even spaniards like.

>not a separatist for Galicia

Lmao there is.

Also those aren't nations.

Only 4 nations in Spain: Basque country, Catalonia and Spain. The rest are the result of the "coffee for everyone" during the transitional period from dictatorship to psoe democracy.

Not really, aragon and castilla had a similar culture and a history togheter. It wasnt like the commonwelth.

The problem in catalonia is they have more economic power than the rest of spain and few political power. Thats why the bourghesy use a reginalism to take the political power which had madrid. In spain there are a lot of reginalism but only catalinia had a real power.

Sure, there are independentists whose parents came from the rest of spain, but they are not the majority. Most of immigrants are pro spain, you just have to go to Badalona, Hospitalet and places that recieved a lot of immigration, the independentism there doesn't have much support

It is called spain, counties and states in us have names.

So catalan nationalism is basically left-wing and cuck. Quite opposite to croatian nationalism which is pro-catholic and conservative.

they are different from spanish as a re welsh or scot from english. you a trollbot?
and why separate? they lived for a long time together.
are you the Just Exterminate Whitey?Lookimng for shekel in misery?There aint enough shekels, deutschmarks and pounds and dollars for you by now?

If ethnic catalans were a majority it would be very different. Now the few of them are selling cuck ideas to gain support (otherwise it would be completely impossible) like that this new country will be for everybody, no matter where you came from and stuff like that.

Not all ethnic Catalonians support independence, but muslims do

Indapendansia

Muslims don't give a fuck. They just want stability, and independence doesn't mean so

How the hell can you have Catalonia and Spain? That'd be like having Britain and Scotland. Spain was formed by a merging of Castille-Leon and Aragon(which included Catalonia). There is no Spain without Catalonia.

It's always the 3rd world immigrants that support independence movements the most. They want to destroy the countries that took them in because they're bitter faggots.

Remember the rebellious catalans going to battle singing "Por Dios, por la Patria y el Rey!"? Fighting for their laws, languague and customs in battle but within Spain.

Why the only two alternatives should be centralism or independence?

Say what you will about independents but can we all agree the Catalan language is disgusting and torture for the ears

>Muslims don't give a fuck. They just want stability, and independence doesn't mean so
Independence means they get more free stuff from the Government

gatestoneinstitute.org/4581/barcelona-mega-mosque
>Catalonia to Muslims: Support Independence, Get Mega-Mosque

As a cro-not at first were supporting catalan independence (I have met one on my college as part of erasmus program). But since they are basically SJWs not anymore...

How we should deal with Spain? On one side Franco harbored a lot Ustaše diaspora in the 1950s, on other side many croatian mencenaries fought for the republican leftists in the 1930s... hm...

Now they fight for the sharia

Que puto asco seguro les damos paguitas

Support Spain, not this degeneracy

Of course we do, they are masters of the taqiyya, but they don't do it for free

I don't even like this independentist movement, but it's better than siding with the spanish nationalists. If there were an inclusive nationalist movement that didn't despise or not feel as own the languages and the cultures of the country i would gladly support it. But you see, all the nationalists prefer another vision of spain. There have been movements and statements from catalonia that didn't help, either.

Why is ScatAlonia filled with literal cave dwelling bearded mudslimes,spear chucking niggroids,moroncans,mexishits,pinche indios,POO-IN-LOOs,chinks,pakis and other types of trash?

There are muslims living in Catalonia? wtf. last place i thought they would be. Are they assimilating or?

>baqueros
Buena esa

>There are muslims living in Catalonia? wtf. last place i thought they would be. Are they assimilating or?
They have 500k muslims, the highest amount in Spain. Do you call this assimilating?

They are peaceful people

youtube.com/watch?v=0qYdenaEm8k

Catalonia has like 1/4 of total muslim population in Spain or even more.

They're practically the Moolenbeek of Spain

*Vuena

Because the EU is pushing this in every country to weaken nations, also because they want to keep their shekels, catalonians are very very greedy and selfish people.

>There are muslims living in Catalonia?
ahahahah

They're all waiting at the border to become spanish citizens then
fuck off to other european countries to parasite and ruin

2nd Londonistan
> Are they assimilating or?
Natives are driven out,killed,raped,assaulted,only government workers will you find in the places they've invaded and ruined.

Why would anyone want to assimilate inbred mudfarts?

Would anyone put a tiny piece of shit in your glass of water to assimilate feces?
>oh god,lets not discriminate this turd !

I don't know desu, catalonia and spain are both fucked. What would you do if you were catalan? We're a minority, unable to win the demographic battle. I won't side with nationalists that despise our culture, so i have to side with the independentism, which has been taken over by leftards that want to run their policies. It's frustrating feeling a foreginer in your own region, country or whatever we are...

Yeah yeah JAHAHS side with (((us)))
Everybody came here for €€€
>muslims
>assimilating

>>Only 4 nations in Spain: Basque country, Catalonia and Spain. The rest are the result of the "coffee for everyone" during the transitional period from dictatorship to psoe democracy.

>>Only 4 nations in Spain: Basque country, Catalonia and Spain. The rest are the result of the "coffee for everyone" during the transitional period from dictatorship to psoe democracy.

Do you even math, fucktard? And yes, Galicia could be a nation of its own.

This
Andalusians and Castillians who came during the 60s and 70s are very unionist
You still can see a lot of secessionist people with immigrant parents or grandfathers, but a lot just didn't assimilate so they have no type of touch with the Catalanist idea.

It's mostly because of Spain's history as a whole. We've been having the same kind of shit for eternity. First the kingdoms unification, then the succession war,1714 and 1717, the Carlist wars, the first republic being a fucking joke that only stressed more the situation with them (Carllists), then the beginning of the XXth century with regionalist parties, then those evolved to secessionist parties, then Alfonso XIII, Primo de Rivera wanting to kill off Catalanism by fucking around with their culture, then imprisonment of Macià and the second republic saying "fuck off" to autonomist/federalist ideas (except towards basques even though they waged war against Spain during the carlist wars), then the civil war and the dictatorship when Franco tried again to kill of catalan culture by pulling the mass-migration tactic against them.

Well, I'd be mad too. Imagine this with niggers and/or muslims. Imagine your country being ruined by mass-migration because of some elite ruling over it, while people defend it because muh peace.
And yes I'm saying it like that so you cucks can understand it by comparing it to the EU comission or any other globalist government. Defending your nation and culture against a natural agressor is an act of patriotism. Defending a foreign state (or even dictators) that want to destroy your nation, is being a supreme fucking cuck and a traitor.

This is the best summary you could get, Poland-bro. Imagine your country being filled with sputniks during the USSR era and they'd want to be part of Russia instead of being independent. That's what they have.

No, not all of us have that vision of Spain.
I'm even very pro-occitan.

Como as comprovado, estan uno hal lado del hotro.

False.
There're 3 nations in Spain: Castille, Aragon and Navarre.
In fact, Catalonia and Basque Country never had relevance in the history of Spain. Thay're just regions who think they're different from the rest of the country.

Why do you think other communities like Valencia, Aragon, Balears or Navarre have no independentist movements?

Thanks you then, compatriota. I feel bad for you, as i said there are a lot of retarded movements and statements that come from here

>What would you do if you were catalan?
I'm Majorcan so we share (almost) the same language and culture. And if I had to choose between nationalists and independism that supports THIS, I'd rather support the former
lavanguardia.com/local/barcelona/20160728/403532475800/mezquita-barcelona-colau-construira.html

I've just been in Barcelona 2 days ago. It made me sick. Streets full of tourists, chinks and shitskins, just because your politicians are corrupt and greedy and needed the sjw vote to stay in power. I'm also fully aware of the brainwashing you guys had to suffer since your childhood (most of the "hate Spain" narrative is also taught here)

I would suggest you to take an example of Kosovo. You know if you wish to be independent there are no peacefull solution for this. No a single nation in hystory got independent by negotiating with the central government.

It's not quite the same

Poles are slavs and lithuanians are baltic

catalonians and castilians are the same shit, you can add the portuguese too

They don't want to be like Kosovo. They want all the benefits of being part of Spain, all the trade deals, but without paying anything in exchange

>India about to go to war with Pakistan and trip ww3
>Spain misses world war for the third time due to another poorly timed civil war
Kek

Why are spanish boys such feminine cock starved fags?

You seem to be forgetting Galicia.

>Spain
>Being relevant in any modern war

Our army is a joke

I
INDA
INDAPANDENCIA

FUCK YOU FUCKING SPICS
VISCA CATALUNYA LLIURE

Catalans are iberian, castilians are celtiberians/iberians, portuguese are pretty much castilians + a little bit more of moorish and celts.

I wish
Home sweet home

No clue what youre on about turk we will fuck your boipucci up like in lepanto.

this brainwashing stuff is a meme, for god's sake. Nobody taught us that spain hates catalonia.

Colau is not independentist, she's just a retarded sjw that gets excited by antagonizing spanish nationalists.

Sure, here there are a lot of sjw, but the situation in the rest of spain isn't much better. In madrid you have carmena, and even pp and ciudadanos are pro refugee.

I don't know how is this going to end. Even if there were a war, we would be fucked. Half of catalonia vs the other half and the rest of Spain. Not even Andorra would join us

You are spic self hater.

if you don't mind my perianal abscess that might explode on your leg with pus and blood, sure

We would win easily as fuck. Catalan propaganda would skyrocket though.

Thanks. I know who to support now.

There isn't any anzu here. We're all masculine, machos ibéricos. Except that trap that browses pol

sure sure
where's he btw?

Goood goy, kraut

I don't know, probably doing degenerate stuff while wanking his feminine cock

Ah, thanks anyway, Isn't that what all the spanish boys do? Apart from pickpocketing tourists

Who wouldn't want to separate from Spain if they could?

>pickpocketing tourists
Those are gypsies, roach

seriously, where the fuck are you from?

You cant seperate from iberian blood.

romanian starvers apparently
gypsy named emanuel? dont think so

Gypsies have the names of the country they are leeching, goatfucker

It's easy to mistake gyppos with spaniards in appearance so you're forgiven, moroccan rape babby

>You could have nipped it in the bud like we did with Scotland.

hahahaha delusional Anglo

It really is not.
Spaniards are white gypos are brown and gyp looking.

You are anglo as well.

Only to say that I found this picture the best Prado's non-canonical one
According with the legend, Torquemada threw a cross in front of Catholic Kings and said: "Judas betrayed Jesus for 30 pieces of silver. You are betraying he again for 30,000". Look closely to Ferdinand of Aragon's awe and Elisabeth of Castile's conformity with Torquemada. She clearly took the red pill.

>that post
>that flag

of course

Isabella and ferdinand were the reddest pills.

Al Leppo

People who live in Barcelona are lazy niggers. You can find a protest about muh gibs almost everyday

Catalonia is super heterogeneous
The nort-east half is full of cucks and sjw pieces of shiet and we in the south are seen as hillbilies

LOS DEL SUD US MATAREM A TOTS

Go to any super market in barcelona. They are all run by dirty pakis

t. charnego

Això em sona. Ets de cert racò?

Didn't Catalonia get to vote for independence a while back and they didn't because they'd be flat broke and in debt and shit?

Why is the majority Europe so fucking poor? Without economic power houses like Germany and the UK throwing shekels into the EU, like half of Europe would implode in on itself. I'm so confused.

And why the fuck do rich countries want to throw money at poor countries? Britain learned, why won't Germany Gexit and let the poor countries sink in debt and starve to death? Why should they care?

Racó*

Spread your culture at the first place. I would like to know more about Ramon Llull for example, but there are virtually none things in Portuguese.

Well, in such moment the US usually joins in once it sees its interests. If you turn the world media against Spain that you de facto won the war.

Oh, and a peacefull way would be to sabotage the spanish institutions and laws. I understand the fear of catalans of losing their national indentity. and a right of selfdetermination is also the right of the catalan people.

kek, you mean like how all the states voting liberal happen to prop up all the flyover states voting conservative?

With the exception of Texas of course.

Why do you think that we are so rich?

all you'd need to know

Are you comparing a single country with a collection of many independent sovereign nations? You aren't the United States of Europe, no matter how badly the kikes in the EU want to make you be that. But I agree, we should go back to being a Republic of independent States. Damn Feds slowly seizing power over the years is bullshit. TENTH AMENDMENT GOD DAMN IT

Because you are the biggest economic powerhouse in Europe in terms of production and profit, with the UK in second. UK Brexited. What are you waiting for? Kill Merkel if you have to.

Ok who peed on the Cuban flag

>Scatalans filling themselves with mudslimes,niggers,indians,pakis,chinks,mexiturds
>"ITS SPAINS FAULT,THEY MADE US DO IT,THEY DID IT TO US"
kys faggot