My prof said civic nationalism functions better than ethnic because ethnic nationalism is literally a form of third...

>nigeria
>yugoslavia
>south america
>rwanda
>your favourite third world nation

in the third world, because the states are so bad at doing its job without corruption, and the state is the only thing in the country that is worth anything, ethnic groups attempt to take over the state for their own personal benefit.

In the Philippines, this is rampt and it literally fucks the whole nation. It is third world tribalism, where people would just vote for their clan and the clan leaders would have to basically buy each their member's vote.

In western societies, the reason for our success stems from governments valuing merit in their civil servants. Two peoples before the modern era achieved this: the chinese, and the western europeans (british and french).

>not an argument.

consensus is important you faggot.

You're a Canadian so you're civic nationalist by default.
Ethnic nationalism is only for smaller Europeans, Asians and African countires.
Americans are too mixed already.

So your professor thinks that killings in Rwanda are bad, but gulags in Soviet union were good?

Tell, your professor that he might want to think things through before speaking.

People who know what's up know what's up, even if they're not white. People who are retarded are retarded, even if they are white.

Wanting your children to share your race is one thing. Letting statistic likelihoods and/or genetic differences blind you to joining with good friends, neighbors, and allies is foolish.

>American flag

>Doesn't know about biafra war
>Doesn't know about the war in Congo

Your professor is a blithering idiot. A civic nationalism is no nationalism at all. There are definite boundaries on what a civic nation might be an therefore the civic nation does not exist.
Blood and Culture are the only real basis for a nation

Civic nationalism is a more efficient means of exerting your political will, especially in a country where parts of your own race refuse to be your allies.

*no definite boundaries

This basically.

BRO DO YOU NO HOW TO SPELL?

Also, you haven't really presented an argument. At least my prof was able to present an argument.

Ethnic nationalism devolves into identity politics, and the definition of what is the ethnicity at hand shifts with the whims of the political leaders. Civil nationalism wouldn't be multi-ethnic nationalism, it would just disregard the dimensions of ethnicity, it wouldn't be fixated on that, and the question of nationalism would be one's commitment to the nation. You cannot devolve the question of commitment to national interests/goals into questions about shifting identity. There is apparently a huge but important nuance that prohibits capture and corruption in the concept of civic nationalism, as nationalism removed from one's self identity to one's commitment to nation, than possible in ethnic nationalism.
Not an argument, buddy.

Civic nationalism is great in theory but humans tend to gravitate towards those who are alike and fear/avoid those who are different. Due to this even when people have something in common they will still end up drawing divides based on obvious differences.
TLDR ask your professor why prisoners always divide on ethnic lines even though they are all prisoners.

Civic nationalism is naturally advantaged. Ethnic nationalism requires both ideology and biology (members have to be both a certain race and have the same ideology) whereas civic nationalism requires only ideology.

Thus, it's to be expected that civic will propagate itself more efficiently than ethnic.

Your professor is correct; civic nationalism is the basis for all nationalism; and is hence superior.

Keeping in mind my response is about the US in general, I firmly believe in the Rockwell line of thought. That we as Americans should stand united but should internally be striving to make our communities better but we shouldn't be racemixing to do so.

Blacks are Americans. Native Indians are Americans. The Tejanos in Texas are Americans. That's not to say all of the people in these groups want what we want, but I cannot come to say 'all blacks need to be purged from the country' because blacks have been fighting for the US since the Revolutionary War, as have Indians.

There is a stark difference between citizens, people who want to make this country great again, and niggers who just want to break shit and cause harm to anyone who disagree with them.

I think ethnic nationalism combined with civic nationalism is the key. A balance between wanting to see your race prosper while also wanting to see your nation & community prosper.

>serbia, a country

One of the most cucked thing I have read about yet is how Slovenia in the 17c created and invented their own ethnicity, with fake folk craft, and stories that attempted to seem timeless. That's something I don't think many on here have considered, how fake some of the balkan ethnic-nationalities are. The wheels of creating an ethcity is happening in macedonia, with the we wuz plato n shieet tier bs.
White isn't "blood". Are you anglo, are you german, french? Russian, slav? Anglo, german, french, russian nobles, they all had separate cultures and still today.

Do you see how flimsy of a category ethnic nationalism is?

Both are fine. Multiculturalism is not a detriment or a boon to a secular nationalistic society. Only being pointlessly racist like some alt-righters are is problematic.

>Civic nationalism is great in theory but humans tend to gravitate towards those who are alike and fear/avoid those who are different. Due to this even when people have something in common they will still end up drawing divides based on obvious differences.

See, that's the argument the prof provided why civic nationalism is better: you cannot divide commitment, but you can divide differences.

You cannot have blocs or identity groups who vote and express interest/organize in that way without eroding commitment to nation. Brazil, egypt, mexico tries to do that but it fails miserably. Corruption becomes rift.

I also think civic nationalism is a thing if country is big enough for it.
Like for example, look at USA. The United States has a racially and ethnically diverse population. It has around 320 million people in it. Do you really think it's a good idea to break up a country and start another civil war because you want to segregate everyone? No, the logical thing to do is to promote Americanism, American exceptionalism and American Nationalism instead of White Nationalism.

>literally a form of third world politics

Now hold on. Is your professor showing disdain towards the politics of the mainly nonwhite part of the world? The sounds awfully racist, which leads us back to ethnic nationalism.

Then how do you explain how Polish Nationalism has not devolved into identity politics
Yet Americanism has.

That goes double for the Ethnically Homogeneous Empire of Japan.

White nationalism in america will degrade into pure tribalism/clanism. The rhetoric of white nationalism, of the question of commonality to blood and culture will become questions of ever smaller ethnic white membership. Anglos, the old wasp elites who do have the wealth in america, will see slavs as lesser both culturally and blood wise, they will see Italians, irish as scum.

Italians in america already live in their ethnic enclaves, just like the poles, the russians, and the what nots.

Did you call him out for saying Israel is 3rd world? That could get him fired in many (((universities)))

recognize that the nigress is redpilled thus worthy of white seed and then impregnate her to improve the genetic stock of her litter. I really don't see why this is difficult to understand.

this is true
that's why only WASPs are white nationalists
italian and irish americans have distinct identities desu

That's why the alt-right is a dead end movement.

Any nationalism is good at this point.

Any decisions made should be for the good of the homeland.

>My prof said civic nationalism functions better than ethnic because ethnic nationalism
That might be the case for white multi-ethnic countries like Switzerland, but I don't see it working in the USA due to greater differences in abilities between major ethnic groups.

Well posted Burgerbro, well posted.

Your professor is right, ethnic nationalism leads to corruption and third world living conditions. This is why groups with high degrees of ethnic nationalism like arabs, blacks, and Jews should be kept out of western countries.

Civic Nationalism is the way to go.

Get people focused on uniting under a country rather than a Race, it's my main appeal for voting for Trump.

It's like American Jailhouse Politics, you gotta join a Race gang if you wanna survive.

Holy shit, does that pass as an argument in Hungary? Maybe not everything in the world is racism.

Poles have one history, one people, but what is a pole but a rape german baby? Polish nationalism is very tied to their experience of being cucked people. They were cucked by germans before, and after that, the russians. They being cucked, their nationalism as being a pole is basically saying they aren't russian or german.

Japanese nationalism is towards the emperor and the state, its ethnically homogeneous, but it isn't ethnic nationalism. The language of the politics is wholly different, and japan is consist of many different ethnic types of people. I don't think you know japanese history, but if you want the answer, give it a quick google. They needed a common emperor to avoid clanism.

The alt-right is not ethnic politics, only racists are trying to hijack the movement or subversives think it is. Our enemy are those that try to divide us. Nationalism does the opposite.

And what if the nation is ethnically homogenous, Ethnic nationalism isn't such a bad idea.

But I do agree that in multicultural shitholes such as Yugoslavia ethnic nationalism only results in the breakup of a nation.

So translation:
You have no answer for why America devolved into identity politics, despite this being antithetical to your argument.
And the only thing that makes for good civic nationalism is:
A: A victim complex; or
B: An Emperor

Do you know that to become an israeli citizen, they test you for the cohen gene and if you have that gene, they will bring you to israel. There is a shit ton of Ukrainians wanting to leave Ukraine and some lucky ones, ones who haven't practice kikism but carry the gene, get a free ticket and housing and money to settle in isreal?

The point I am making is that Isreal is setting it self up to this third-world capture the state because it is the only thing that is functioning style of politics. It is already there, the military is a huge social welfare exercise.

Son, you need that GED. Why are you on this japanese anime board? Present a counter-argument. I have answered that question 5 times already.

Ethnic nationalism breeds identity politics. You really need to read up on japanese history because your whole strawman of my emperor claim is based on a huge misunderstanding of japan's history and the rise of the emperor.

Ethnic nationalism is a meme. Ethnic nationalism has existed over the course of human history and if actually produced a utopia like stormfront says it would then they should already exist. Ethnic nationalism has not stopped a single conflict, degeneracy, or socialism. Having a shared culture or ideology is much more important.

The alt-right are ethno-nationalists, they want an all white state and they unironically believe in white supremacy. I'm not joking.

Do you know that a lot of the ethnicities in the balkans is made up, cut whole from clothes of fictionhood?

>
The point I am making is that Isreal is setting it self up to this third-world capture the state because it is the only thing that is functioning style of politics. It is already there, the military is a huge social welfare exercise.

The point I am making is that Israel is setting it self up to this third-world capture of the state because it is the state is the only thing that is functioning or can function in this style of politics. It is already there, the military is a huge social welfare exercise.

Call it whatever you want. You still have to ask the question: if you don't like the third world, why do you think the people from there would make a fine addition to your nation?

If I had to choose between letting in 1,000 conservative spics and 1,000 permacucked Swedes, I would pick the spics everytime.

>I have answered that question 5 times already
Apparently you can't count, either.
Fuck off back to Cred Forums

No he's not correct unless he was talking about Europe.
Ethnic nationalism is important by race. Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Congoid etc.
Having Europe divided was pretty arbitrary, but it likely led to some of the greatest innovations the world has ever known through competition.

>Having a shared culture or ideology is much more important.

Stormcucks cannot acknowledge how some countries, like Serbia, Slovenia, and we wuz platos put so much enegry in trying to create the sort of degeneracy that niggers do with their myths of being kangz. Ethnic nationalism that is too dependent on this notion of shared culture creates too many incentives to create fake histories.

It created conflict for finite land and resources in Europe.
Making Ingenuity a necessity for a country's survival, the worlds most impactful inventions were born out of warring European states.
It's perhaps not necessary to separate Whites by borders, but there should be divisions between races.

they dont have the freedom for that

>We wuz common cloth.

So now blood only matters? Not a common culture? You gotta love it when cuck intellectuals make your point for you.

>Ethnic nationalism is important by race. Caucasoid, Mongoloid, Congoid etc.
>"Those fucking subhuman Irish immigrating to the US, stealing our jobs, and causing disproportionate amounts of crime!"
Ok

I'm American, you fucking leaf.

Black Trump supporters are the outliers in the statistics. I'm fine with them. It's the Googles I have issues with and the Googles are mostly Democrats.

Right, why should we like hungarians, one of the poorest nations in western europe, into canada? Especially when the prime speciement of their kind cannot comprehend a distinction between politics of the third world, and skilled and educated people.

White people can fall for the third world political style.

Why is that wrong?
Indians have a largely homogenous country of their own, China has it's own largely homogenous country, Japan, Africa.
Why are there no countries on the earth that are mostly white?
Rly maks u think

read the context, i wasn't accusing you of anything. I was just point to the GEDCuck that ethnic nationalism doesn't work.

>Japan, ethnic homogenous
>China, ethnically homogenous
>America, not ethnically homogenous

Do you know anything about the countries you are talking about? There are many many different chinese ethnicities, it was only through the brutality of Mao's cultural revolution did those differences disappear. Japan has multiple ethnicities too, but ONLY through the emperor did they unit. Africa has a shit ton of ethnicities and because they are deeply third world (the state being the ONLY thing that is worthwhile), they genocide, have civil wars, and enjoy the strife that comes from not being able to unite beyond ethnic nationalism.

I cannot believe how stupid you are. These common, simple historic facts, it's like you are ignorant of them wholesale and that's why you can make such stupid arguments.

It is easier to erode civic nationalism since it is based only in thought and nothing else. A skilled rhetorician could dismantle civic nationalism, as the communists had, along racial or class lines.

Your professor noted that ethnic nationalism is a form of "third world politics"- he offhandedly glossed over that every nation-state in history was built upon shared ethnicity, religion, and culture, ethnic nationalism isn't"third world" so much as the first world has been infiltrated by those who find natural, ethnic nationalism opposing their wealth accumulation and power. Civic nationalism can be falsified, take the current "right wing" in America that places Israeli interests over the people's.
Ethnic nationalism excludes peoples not of the state while maintaining a higher level of cohesion.

Your professor is making the same mistake so many people in this age make- they've drifted so far from shore that they can't remember what land is like.

Go work on your GED, get off this anime board.

Those countries you just listed all have huge amounts of internal conflict. If you believe that ethnic nationalism alone will solve all of our problems and generate prosperity you are historically illiterate.

>doesn't address the issue of innovation through competition
Regardless, what we face today is a much different situation than the Irish. They integrated pretty well.
Black Americans have failed to integrate for a much longer time due to their poor intelligence. They can't compete in the open market in this country so they turn to crime, why do you think Affirmative Action exists?

They have civic nationalism in Scotland, the SNP brag about it. It's not really nationalism, it's simply globalism with a Scottish flag stuck on top. "Scotland is for all, we welcome everyone, we want refugees...oh but Scottish homeless people and the elderly can get fucked, you're not a minority."

Civic nationalism would be fine if every immigrant actually properly integrated instead of clinging to their ethnicity.

He made a statement, not an argument. If he did present an argument to explain that statement, you did not write it down on the original post.

>They integrated pretty well.
No fucking shit because not a single white in this country is pure. Go up to one and ask them about their heritage and they'll tell you "I'm half german, a quarter finnish and a quarter english." Ethnic nationalism my ass.

>skilled rhetorician
same can be argued about ethnic nationalism. the professor presented evidence that various ethnic nationalist movements arose through feigning common history. Short of genetic tests, there is no objective ethnicity that can be claimed to. More so, a skilled rhetorician can devolve the discourse of white nationalism to claims that only wasps are entitled or natural rulers, and that there are lesser whites. This already exist.

Also you seem to be making the mistake you claim my prof is making. You are forgetting what is our actual history and the history of european countries. The nation-states (do you even know nation states arose?) in europe only through a transition from monarchy in europe. For fuck sakes, what are Spaniards? Who are normans? This is where the rhetoric of white nationalism fails: it claims it wants to pure to history, but it isn't and the rhetoricians of white nationalism (as in any form of ethnic nationalism; isreal being the worst with pretending every olive tree was referenced in the torah and thus israeli land) adulters that history, and falsifies it to create the impression of attachment.

another rhetorician can go into your rhetoric and split it.

Sup errybody

Ethnic nationalism doesn't even need to erode to destroy itself. All you need is a cultural shift. Many countries have had internal conflicts due to religious differences alone.

Civic nationalism

If they're on our side, there's no point in telling them to fuck off because of a different race.

It's the same as whites living in Zimbabwe. If they're productive citizens with jobs, then why the fuck should we care?

>omfg! THESE FUCKING CAUCASIANS INTEGRATE WELL
>don't address the issue of blacks not integrating well
They're all from Europe, crazy.
I already said that the borders between European countries was rather arbitrary, but it served as a catalyst for social evolution and invention due to greater competition for resources.

Haha le rape baby meme xD le pol social scientist

Civic nationalism creates identity politics. Civic nationalism marginalizes and dispossesses the majority ethnic group.

Typical french cuck

Blacks were integrating.

But then.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

This changed the political landscape of the United States forever, surprised you don't know about it.

>Multiculturalism is not a detriment
Go blow yourself, leaf. Come back when Canadia has as many niggers as we do.

haha kanker

I agree except:

>then why the fuck should we care
shifting demographics is one, becoming a minority in your own homeland.

This could work in theory if only miscegenation is kept in check but that would be the same as dividing people among ethnic lines.

Civic nationalism runs under the assumption that everyone is equal on a macro level.
It falls flat quickly and creates animosity between races when you're having to prop up certain sects of society because they can't compete in the free market.
Which created ghettos for their kind, which in turn creates crime, then more animosity.

This thread was started by globalist shills. Ultimately countries fail, people are attracted to people of their own race especially when shit hits the fan because ethnicity is THE ONLY COMMON BOND THAT SURVIVES A FAILED STATE.
Sweden French Eurabia will have a hard time in the future because their people won't have anything in common and no reason to work with each other.

Civic nationalism is appropriate for immigrant countries.

It is inappropriate for nations historically defined and creates by a population of a certain ethnicity.

Hence, civic nationalism is appropriate for the US and Canada, but inappropriate for most European nations.

>same can be argued about ethnic nationalism.

So essentially you are agreeing that civic nationalism is easily dismantled, thank you.
>ethnicity is a social construct.
That is quite insulting to the entire world populace. Germans speak the same language, bear the same genetics, multiple areas have retained the same population for thousands of years.
>gives an example that isn't applicable to all instances
>this exists
No, no it doesn't, not as a functional state that we can evaluate, only as a definition that, as you pointed out, changes in the minds of who is using it.
>do you know how nation states arose
Tribalism, the Germanic, Frankish tribes, the Mongolian tribes, the very thing you deny exists.
>What are Spaniards
post-1500 am unaltered people

Civic nationalism won`t work when it`s constituents have mono ethnic home lands.

>I already said that the borders between European countries was rather arbitrary, but it served as a catalyst for social evolution and invention due to greater competition for resources.
No they weren't. Not all Europeans are genetically the same. Why don't you take your logic to its conclusion? A nation is not just a country, it is a group of people with shared ideas and culture. Ethnic nationalism ignores this and tries to base the nation on ethnicity, as such it is doomed to fail. Are you proposing we become an ethnostate so we can fight other ethnostates? Do you consider war prosperity? Capitalism has done a pretty good job at innovating to make the most out of resources.

user, nothing could have prepared blacks for the new age.
We live in a very different world than we did back then, blacks didn't become any less intelligent. There was always a consistent racial gap, which again creates a situation where they can't compete, ESPECIALLY in a global economy where they compete with everyone.
Globalism does not help anyone but the ruling elite, it devalues labor and makes people easy to control.

has your teacher ever considered that maybe civil nationalism is only possible when you have ethnic homogeneity (of at least wide majority) because ethnic nationalism eventually becomes inevitable when you have various groups all desiring a bigger share of a finite pie?

>Roach flag

>doesn't know about Raid
>can't listen to Black Flag without dying

>says abdul aziz trying to pander to Cred Forums

Agreed. Not wanting to be a minority in your own country is perfectly reasonable, especially if these people have no valuable skill at all.

Can't this be fixed with a immigration system with very high standards, one that only takes jobs that are needed in the country?

I LOOK BACK TO SEE WHERE I STAND

See Japan and China history.

Nationalism means race, what youre on about is statism.

you mean the people who all lookalike? how si that a valid example?

>88

>civic nationalism
Yeah worked out great for the Romans and Greeks.

Didn't realize we were Western Europeans.

"Skilled and educated people" still have skills and education of their home countries. Their identity is already bound to another culture. This will cause them to come into conflict with the rest of your civic nation.

Civic nationalism is bad because it has no core. No basis. If any person and any territory can potentially become part of it, how exactly do you define your nation?

Hitler gave clear definitions the state was a tool of the race not the race is a tool of a state.

Hitlers state was simply a tool of the race.

>once again ignores the point of not all ethnicities integrating well due to inherent differences between races, civic nationalism implies everyone is equal, the dissonance creates animosity which leads to a weaker state
>are you proposing we become an ethno-state?
The US?
No.
European Countries? Mostly yes, prevent permanent immigration, issue work visas for those with skills outside your country's scope, and absolutely DO NOT let in unskilled workers from 3rd world countries.

Skilled rhetoricians cannot undo the assumptions of a political form, they cannot turn civic nationalism against itself like you could through the rhetoric of ethnic nationalism. This is because with ethnic nationalism, the core assumptions can remain intact while purposefully arguing for division. This is the flaw of ethnic nationalism and why the game of historical forgegy becomes so fundamental.

>we wuz tribez
More historical fan fic, its like why not acknowledge the form prior to nation states when it undermines your premise?

0/10

It's only a form of 3rd world politics because we are brainwashed to not do it.

>how
What are nation states?

I proposed a solution here
Work visas, pay outside labour very, very well when they have skills your country can't provide then send them bak when unneeded or learn from it and create new jobs.

This

The fact you don't know their history and yet use an argument based on their history is pathetic. Smug strawmans does nothing to undo the corner you walked into.

Ethnic nationalism is vastly superior.
a)It gives politicians less opportunities to divide the electorate.
b)Wars can be easily fought without having to fear a fifth column at home.
c)People instinctually prefer people that look like them, talk like them, act like them, think like them. This makes regions with homogenous populations much more peaceful. Unless you're in Africa, but that's populated by Africans.
d)IQ differences between races are a significant problem.

What could prepare whites for the new age? Look at Germany, France, Britain, Sweden, Finland, Canada, Norway, Belgium, Hungary, Italy. Countries that were almost completely homogenous started letting in refugees who refused to assimilate to western society. Why did they let them in, they're almost entirely homogenous? Could it be that varying ideologies within the region is responsible for this?

your professor is wrong

jasss.soc.surrey.ac.uk/16/3/7.html

ethnocentric societies are objectively more cohesive and have higher levels of mutual trust. the typical organism evolved in such a way that it can not risk second guessing if a stranger is part of the same in group, so social creatures developed shortcuts to tell almost immediately.

as a human 50,000 years ago, coming across someone from another tribe could mean conflict or even death. naturally, when we encounter someone that is visibly not of our tribe and doesn't share our tribes customs, we have an innate distrust of them. deep down, they are the other and you are the same to them.

doesn't matter how hard we try, there will always be tension between ethnic groups in close proximity because they act in their own group interests and naturally expect the others to do the same.

I once would have said they're all niggers.

But I'm facing an identity crisis.

My law professor is a black dude, and he's really fuckin smart, went to north eastern, has been married for 20 years, is the most organized professor I've met, has kids he takes care of, is a basketball coach on the side, but also is a pastor.

I still think that he has to go back though. If this fuckin guy was in Africa maybe his region wouldn't be such a shithole.

>use an argument based on their history
except I never did that you fucking retard

>Smug strawmans
says the guy who just pulled one
pot to kettle much?

They did not know any better unfortunately.
Ethnic nationalism does not mean that every has the same ideas.

>Ethnic nationalism does not mean that every has the same ideas.
That's the problem with making ethnic nationalism a higher priority than cultural or ideological nationalism. You wouldn't have the internal divide in the first place.

You are so fucking retarded. Stop switching goal posts. Is ethnic nationalism a nationalism based on a common blood and culture? Do whites have a common culture and blood, yes or no?

>not an argument

Why do you think we had walls and nations anyway? Because people prefer their own group, be that cultural or ethnic.

archive.wilsonquarterly.com/in-essence/downside-diversity
>Diversity triggers a tendency to hunker down and to have less confidence in local government, community leaders, and news media, the study data show. In homogeneous North and South Dakota, 70 to 80 percent of survey respondents said they trusted their neighbors a lot. In diverse Los Angeles and San Francisco, only about 30 percent said the same thing.

>Living in a diverse community without a lot of trust in the people next door makes residents less likely to register to vote and more likely to participate in protest marches, Putnam found. People are also less likely to give to charity or to volunteer in the community. Residents of racially or ethnically mixed areas have fewer close friends and confidantes, report being less happy, and say they have a lower quality of life. They spend more time watching television.

If he was in Africa he probably would live less than half the life he was given here. Everything is environment.

The statistics Cred Forums has only account for a macro(large scale) analysis. They better represent everyone's experiences as a whole.
On an individual level I'll readily admit that a black American is more intelligent than I, but statistically it doesn't happen often.
What you have is an anecdotal crisis, be friends with him. May as well.

LOL, you do seriously believe pre-westphalia countries were nation states? This is on you user and how ill prepared you are for this discussion.

This is also why white nationalism as a movement will fail to gain traction: when your whole view of the world is based on we wuz kingz commitment to history, you are bound to confuse the simple things around you.

>Magic negro goes to Africa
>Tells Africans to stop acting like chimps
>Africans decide magic negro is actually a white devil that has hidden his true face with sorcery
>Magic Negro gets burnt to death
>Africa continues on as it ever has

He's correct.

Nationalism based on race is pointless.

What matters is loving the nation you were born into and continuing its values and culture regardless of your skin color.

No, ethnic nationalism is an instinctual, hard-wired state that all people are born into. It takes years of leftist indoctrination to instill enough self-hatred that people stop preferring people who look like them, who talk like them, who think and act like them, to foreign cultures and peoples.

It's not even clear whether this kind of indoctrination is effective on anybody but whites. Go to any school with a diverse student body, and at all ages from 5-25 people will roughly separate by race. Even in the most prestigious schools in the country Asians, Jews, Poo-in-loos, Blacks keep to their own while whites desperately try to incorporate themselves into any diverse friend group because of their cultural Marxist programming. Even then they only manage to have 20% non-white friends.

Despite all the race mixing propaganda, people still overwhelmingly date within their own race. The only exceptions I've seen is Low status white female/black male, high status white male/ asian female, and jew/anything not jewish. Don't know why but about half the jews I know only date non-whites... Poo-in-loo men also try desperately to date white women but I think that's because culturally their own women act like ultra entitled spoiled cunts.

Nation means race dtate is an orhanization of people.

Yes you did, you pretended to know their history when you made that argument. I already addressed your japan/china point in this thread, but it is sad and cuck like that you want to make an argument while knowing full well you are grasping for straws

>kettle
>(pretending to know what a strawman means)
bullshit, I replied to arguments you made, not arguments I made for you.

They share a more common culture than other races.
Ethnic nationalism works because by and large everyone is on equal footing.
The argument for civic nationalism was that race didn't matter(it does as I pointed out because animosity between races is ALWAYS going to be a factor until everyone is put into the globalism genetic blender and everyone is the same) only one's culture. Do you think in a country like the US, where civic nationalism prevails, that everyone shares the same culture?

The most clear lines or culture divisions in the US tend to be race. African Americans grew up with the same white, Christian culture that the European immigrants did. They certainly didn't have the same culture then and don't have the same culture now.

So what ethnicity are you, user?

1/10th italian, 1/64th irish, 1/2 roma, muh pure white blood?

>No, ethnic nationalism is an instinctual, hard-wired state that all people are born into. It takes years of leftist indoctrination to instill enough self-hatred that people stop preferring people who look like them, who talk like them, who think and act like them, to foreign cultures and peoples.
Holy fuck the cognitive dissonance here. If ethnic nationalism in innate, where do you think the leftist indoctrination to instill self-hatred came from? It came from ethnic nationalism and a lack of civic nationalism.

Distances and common sense.

>Do you think in a country like the US, where civic nationalism prevails, that everyone shares the same culture?

Start defining what culture means, because you are switching its meaning in your response.

Also, you haven't really answered the question. More common doesn't mean shit when there exist huge cultural differences between italians, germans, franch, and anglos (screw the incredible gap between western european societies and slav tainted one for a moment) that cannot be reconciled.

Does ethnic national rests on common blood or common culture?

and

Do whites have a common culture?
NOT MORE COMMON, BUT A COMMON CULTURE.

So when italians choose to live live in enclaves in america and when irish do the same, and when wasps see them as lesser, they are all a common people with a common blood and a common culture?

The truth is alike, yoy group with ethically alike people if there are purposes to the groupings etc..

>The argument for civic nationalism was that race didn't matter
Did anyone in this thread actually say this? OP just asked which is better.

Distances and groupings.

> your japan/china point in this thread
what japan/china point?
what the fuck are you on about?

read my first post again my point is that ethnic/racial conflicts are eventually inevitable when you don't have homogeneity

what about japan and china? how does japan and china prove me wrong?

shove your bullshit rhetorics up your ass and answer the question directly you smug cunt

fuck off milo fag.

The Canadian cuckold in this thread can't compete.

People think that ethnic nationalism discludes participation but name 1 time in history that this is true. All the great Empires of old were dominated by a central ethnic group and participate with other ethnic groups. The Left constructs a myth that ethnic nationalism = no contact with other ethnic groups but this is as empty as it is true.

The Canadian cuck on the other hand thinks that mass importing people that can "participate" is a way to "boost" the country what he is ignoring is the rapidly decaying state of the US.

Our height was during a time of racial homogeonity and rapidly expanding industry, now that we have race relations we are collapsing.

>well just get rid of race relations
protip: you can't. They will never go away.

Fucking nigger leaf again

Can we please ban all leafs already?

>what about japan and china? how does japan and china prove me wrong?

He thinks that because Japan and China are ethnically united they somehow are representative of the fact that they are "weak".

This shows a lack of insight into history considering Japan was throughouly beaten by then racially homogeoneous nations (Britain, Australia, and the US and other allies of course). They lost a war and that's why they're on the back foot.

As for China, China has pretty much always been a shit hole.

If race matters then Ethno Nationalism is superior as it makes no assumptions about races.
If race doesn't matter then Civic Nationalism is the better route as it assumes everyone is able to coexist despite the disadvantages of certain races.

>Do whites have a common culture?
loosely, yes.

all white nations were spawned out of Christianity, so it could be argued that Christianity is the common culture.

>now that we have race relations we are collapsing.
That's tied to socialism and the growth of government. Even the homogeneous European countries are collapsing. The refugee crisis is just speeding up a gradually decaying region.

>guise which is stronger, a mixed race nation of different religions, ethnicities, beliefs who have a common sense of law or a single race, ethnic state who have a shared sense of law, morality, language, etc.

Fuck off jew

>It is third world tribalism, where people would just vote for their clan

>London votes Sadiq Khan as mayor

>London is officially third world tribalism

Kek

In order to achieve that you need to first break the leftist conditioning that all prosperity comes at the expense of someone else. The entire leftist world view hinges on the crucial principle that one person's gain is always another person's loss.

If you view the world through that lens, the desire to see your ethnic group prosper can also be interpreted as the desire to see other groups fail. Through that lens, the desire to become rich is the desire to exploit others or exploit the land.

In the US we have "civic participation" a la civic nationalism.

If you think our politics in this modern era are leading us forwards then you would have to be inclinced to say that civic nationalism is a social good. However, I would be motioned to say the opposite.

I think civic nationalists are sheltered idealists who think they can escape the realities of race. Civic nationalists preach a "quietism" that is almost childlike in its naive outlook on life and hold progress back with their childish whims about how a nation should be run.

And socialism grew as the offspring of social democracy and the idea of civic nationalism. The two consistently support the other whether they mean too or not.

Race mattering isn't mutually exclusive. Race can matter in the context of a culturally homogeneous society. False dichotomy.

He's going to trap you for saying that, but I tend to agree.
There are certain boxes that must be checked for a culture to coexist, religion is a major one because that often dictates the prefered lifestyle of a country's citizens.

Where has civic nationalism ever worked?

London is in a real dire state. The place is rapidly decaying and I imagine will turn into something like NYC or Chicago within the next 20 years.

What is exactly this "functions better" meaning?

Go ask your professor.

Tell me the answer too.

They cannot argue that ethnic nationalism is a de facto pure state of society where some 'evil' and 'degenercy' somehow got in the way, preventing our return to this pure natural state without forging history and making shit up. They need a history that doesn't exist to make the argument that they are simply want a return to that.

The most advance form of ethnic nationalism today, zionism in israel, spends so much of state resources trying to prove that yes, they wuz hurr and that the tribes bs is real, cohen genes, and even after spending all this, there are questions of which jew is better.

The cognitive dissonance arises because that is their only argument. They cannot commit any less to the core assumptions of ethnic nationalism and hope the conclusions hold.

Name me two states that are ethnically homogenous and successful. the stock reply is china and japan. china and japan are not ethnically homogenous. neither is france, germany, italy, spain, or britain.

Civic nationalism isn't fixated on race, so questions of race doesn't matter but this doesn't mean that there aren't racial differences, rather all races regardless of their inadequacies would exist to serve to the state, they wouldn't use the state as their piggy bank.

civic nationalism

niggers would be less problematic if they weren't so fucking stupid thanks to the LCDs breeding like rabbits on welfare and natural selection not being allowed to function

also the jews are a problem. otherwise with normal borders there should be no need for ethnic nationalism as that's how people naturally congregate anyway

Civic nationalism is relatively modern in theory. The Roman argument is moot as they were grounded on philosophical principles based in Hellenistic ideology.

Civic nationalism is a secular idea that is rooted more in materialism which is why socialism developed out of civic nationalist thought.

I know that. Im excited to see what he thinks about various negro problems.

But yes, of corse saying one race is totally superior to another because every member is totally superior is foolish. There are down syndromes in every race.

Still, even though he married a black woman, his kind is a threat to our ethnic homogeneity

>And socialism grew as the offspring of social democracy and the idea of civic nationalism
And social democracy and the idea of civic nationalism grew as the offspring of ethnic nationalism. You're looking at the hole in the barn door without looking at the barn door itself. Sweden engaged in socialist policies and degeneracy long while they were almost 100% white. Do you not get it yet?

If your nation only consists of one ethnicity it becomes impossible to have identity politics. There is only one identity, the national identity.

In an ethnically homogenous nation, your starting point is where civic nationalism hopes(and fails) to end up. The fact that minority groups exist and are able to use the State as a means to redistribute wealth between ethnic groups without having to compete is what breeds corruption. Instead of creating wealth for your people, you take from another richer group via taxation and entitlements.

This.

Civic nationalism is rootless and does nothing to better the country and protect the habitat from harm.

Works only with the enlightened monarch in place.

Civil only works with the truth of race.

And what is welfare born out of?
Inequality, because not everyone is equal.
The upper classes will get tired of footing the bill for someone's 9th child.
It creates tension, Europe didn't have a huge amount of socialist policies until the 20th century which coincides with huge amounts of immigration.
We can find a correlation between the failing health of Europe and it's decrasing ethnic homogeneity, but that's not the only causation obviously.

You say this but then you have to cross reference niggers in other countries including Africa. Once you have done this you will begin to notice a re-occurring pattern so how many times do you have to make excuses for them before you accept that they are fundamentally different?

The Sweden example has nothing to do with ethnic nationalism as it had to do with socialism. The idea that Ethnic Nationalism produces Civic Nationalism is flawed because the two are inherently opposite.

We fought a World War over the subject.

this

I was agreeing with you, my point was rhetorical because race matters in every way.

True, the term "nigger" in post modern culture is more referred as a behaviour rather than a race. Aka we got niggers of every color and culture. Pepe bless good sir.

Black Americans are not the same as googles

They are more welcome in this country than every one of the millions of white cuckolds. Race correlates to values, nothing else.

Nice strawmanning bro

I never said that mass importation of immigrants is a good idea and all those old great empires had to deal with ethnic divisions in order to maintain cohesion, one way or another. As some cuck said on here: hitler believed the state should serve the race, and not the other way around. My prof argued that is the problem, and it leads to huge huge levels of degeneracy, dysfunction and corruption.

The left wants to erode civic nationalism, and play jailhouse politics, playing off one ethnic enclave against another.

Dismissing the divisions and huge disagreements and incompatibilities of all christian theologies, Christianity isn't a culture tho. Christianity, unlike Islam, was cucked into a secular division of state/church to the point that individual european cultures can and does exist.

Also, you know the christian nation would be one that lets spics in? Let's not forget that.

I was just expanding the point. The "you" didn't directly mean yourself.

Civic nationalism works in a country like the U.S which is a blend of cultures

It doesn't work in largely homogenous countries like in Europe

>Strawmanning, strawmanning, strawmanning
You make a lot of excuses for yourself and seem to try to dodge any direct accusation against your ideology.

Your professor argues it is a problem yet the problem of civic nationalism has corrupted the entire Western World. His rhetoric is unsurprising to me as he is a univesity professor, a sheltered bourgeoise idealist classical Liberal that holds onto the naive and childish viewpoint on his quietist politics.

The future has no place for such "men".

I know. But seriously he's a really good guy. It's a night class, he works 9-5, he only sleeps 5 hours a day because he gets up in the morning to go running. He told the whole class he can stay after to talk to whoever, about law class, or about life, because he's a pastor lol

And he's not one of those hokey fake smart black people who thinks they're smart cause they're smarter than other blacks. I would genuinely say he has probably a 130-140 IQ, but is also WAYYY more focused and organized than many people with that IQ.

>neither is france, germany, italy, spain, or britain.
and racial tension is at an all time high because it was inevitable, my point exactly

as for china/japan, there is a big difference between having various ethnics of asians and having various ethnics of completely different races, you're comparing apples and oranges

Civic nationalism is a lofty ideal that cannot be achieved over long periods. It may work well in prosperous times but once things get choppy people revert to their tribalist instincts. Civic nationalism requires an extreme level of coordination and investment in early childhood education/indoctrination. If even 10% of kids are left out of the programming cycle you end up with Colin Kaepernick kneeling during the national anthem.

This is what's happening now in the US. Our schools have gotten so shit and leftist propaganda has so successfully shit on Americanism that people are reverting to tribalism. Black celebs are converting to """""Islam"""""". Politicians on all sides are openly pandering to specific ethnic groups and their interests over the greater benefit of the nation.

Civic nationalism is a neat idea but it's unsustainable.

Your united kingdom, for one.

Bull shit. see You didn't answer my questions, you cuck.
Also what is it:
>the state serves the race
or
>the races serve the state

one is civic nationalism, the other is road to corruption, clanism, dysfunction and degeneracy.

and what is so fucked up is that the leftest dream of governance is the former. they view the state as a means to help enclaves of people, and they mobilize votes simply by promising the wealth of the state for those who can bring them into power.

and with no common culture, what is to prevent ethnonationalism devolving into that type of third world politics?

Civil doesnt work in black or any other non white no only whites must accept civil which coincides with their significant numbers.

>he's a really good guy.

Or maybe youre just projecting what you want to believe.

American nationalism not white nationalism. Blacc qts for everyone

Nationalism finds a truth and forces it.

Ethno-nationalism dervices from common culture. There is no common culture in the United States and that is precisely why it is weakening and falling.

Europe will face the same fate if they do not stop themselves from devolving further.

>The idea that Ethnic Nationalism produces Civic Nationalism is flawed because the two are inherently opposite.
Ethnic nationalism is the notion that the nation is based on ethnicity. It ignores for culture. Cultural shifts within an ethnostate can cause the evil corruption that is civic nationalism. If you ever get your ethnostate formed you cannot guarantee you will get some perfect white utopia. It has never happened in history even though societies started out as racially homogeneous.

Lol nah man. Unless you believe that black people cant be good people if they're raised purely Christian. I'm pretty sure it's not that crazy to believe that in my entire life I met ONE good AND successful black guy. Other than that, I've met a couple real nice ones, all of them were Christian

I don't think I've ever met a good negro who wasn't Christian.

Christianity is PERFECT

(For black people)

>Your professor argues it is a problem yet the problem of civic nationalism has corrupted the entire Western World. His rhetoric is unsurprising to me as he is a univesity professor, a sheltered bourgeoise idealist classical Liberal that holds onto the naive and childish viewpoint on his quietist politics.

For someone who is simply 'dodging' your accusations, i anticipated your argument pretty well: see
They cannot argue that ethnic nationalism is a de facto pure state of society where some 'evil'...

Japan and China are not ethnically homogenous. They had centuries of strife due to ethnic conflict, and only when they resolved it, they were able to do something. If you knew their history, you wouldn't say it is apples and oranges.

>tfw cultural segment in communications class today and for the next week
>tfw professors swallowed the kool-aid so fucking hard

He was explicitly saying that multiracial births are a good thing and that it's the fastest growing demographic in the country.

I just wanted to study IT. I never asked to take these gen-ed courses.

i don't disagree

niggers are the scum of the earth bottom feeding race of the planet, but even a dog on a leash makes a good house pet. nahmsayin?

niggers would be fine if they were treated like adults and forcibly given responsibility. they will never be whites, but they will have a stake in the country and want to keep what they have

niggers have been unfairly exploited (because they're a scumbag race easily exploited) for generations. they've never been white and never will be, but they can coexist SEPARATELY.

it's the only option short of civil war or genocide. you'll never get the niggers out, it's best to just isolate them

Japan is ethnically homogeneous.

>because ethnic nationalism is literally a form of third world politics
Ask him why third world people should be allowed to immigrate into our countries then if stuff from the third world is so bad. Make sure to make the proper gesture while you're at it.

>Japan and China are not ethnically homogenous
my point is that they are still all asians

you are completely avoiding the argument of race
read my post again

>Civic nationalism is a lofty ideal that cannot be achieved over long periods.
The same can be said of ethnic nationalism. All you have to do is read a history book.
>Have ethnostate
>New religion introduced
>Group within ethnostate adopts religion
>There is now a divide which leads to hostilities

But it laid the firm foundations for a secure culture. Rome lasted 1,000 years based on the common unifying themes based in Hellenistic philosophy and only decayed when those original ideas fell away and were gradually rotted out by too many multicultures that undermined the original one.

It goes to show you that too much expansion is fundamentally bad when it is not throughougly controlled or thoughtfully planned. The Romans way of incorporating new cultures was to have them bow before the Roman Eagle in a ritual that symbolized their subservience to the Roman culture.

Well this worked nicely in theory but not in reality.

Yet this is the fundamental critique that is levelled against him. Your ideology is rooted only in the upper class, sheltered world of university life as preached by a Liberal who desires a world of "quietism". The world has never succeeded in moving forwards with such weak willed and spineless "men" leading the way. Intellectualism is cancer.

Civic is god tier, it just has to be done right.

Civic Nationalism creates rootless people with no motivation to make their country better. There is nothing that completely unifies a people, if not ethnicity.

Why would any black person in Europe care for the history of the country, if can't identify himself with them when his roots don't even go as far in that country? See: 'Black History Month'

Also this.

>Ethno-nationalism dervices from common culture. There is no common culture in the United States and that is precisely why it is weakening and falling.
That's the point of this thread. You just admitted that ethnic-nationalism required cultural nationalism to exist. I've been saying this entire thread that having a shared culture or ideology is more important than having a shared ethnicity.

youtube.com/watch?v=9XdKfgnB17w

>all asians
>koreans are not different from japanese
>there weren't different japanese ethnicities

okay, you are grasping at straws.

civic nationalism is way better. People bitch about "race" when its really culture we should be fighting. Don't hate black people. Hate "ghetto" culture. Don't hate arabs. Hate middle eastern stone age culture. Hate people for something they can control, not the color of the skin they were born with. I welcome a person of any color that shares my ideology.

They were given plenty of responsbility and accomplished what exactly? Look at the documentary "Empire of Dust" - they are simply incapable of managing anything.

Unfairly exploited? The only exploitation that was ever thrust upon them was land grabs everything else can be entirely discarded. And yet they now control these lands and we can see the chaos, infernos, and impossibility of a sustainable future in them.

Do you seriously think South Africa, Zimbabwe, the Congo, Nigeria, and others have a future? Every other year we hear about some new disease caused by their own stupidity and failure to adapt and it takes a monumentous effort by the entire world from keeping them from wiping themselves out.

You want this kind of people with a history in this behavior that is consistent across societal levels to be incorporated into your "civic nationalism"? The streets of Chicago, New York, Detroit, the instability speaks for itself.

Culture and Ethnicity go hand in hand.

your prof shills fro the left.

Probably because wars between subhumans are worth shit in the eyes of important history

Culture dont matter only race the linesvand groups font matter.

You can put on your rose tinted glasses for however long you want but the reality is "ghetto culture" as you make up did not exist for a long time in this country and even at the so called "Harlem Renassiance" they were still the same old niggers.

You can keep making excuses until it's too late or you can accept the reality of race and nation and move forward into the future.

>There is nothing that completely unifies a people, if not ethnicity.
Common ethnicity has united fucking nothing. Look at Europe right now. Look at the warring states periodS in China. Look at each world war. Look at Bosnia. Look at the internal tensions just from the Brexit.

Civic nationalism can work but it needs to restrict rights to those who are willing to shed blood or make sacrifices for their nation. The intersection with classical liberalism is ruinous.

I think the ethnic nationalism that's actually espoused here on Cred Forums makes no sense unless you're talking about European nations which are still ethnically homogenous. That ship has sailed already for most major western countries.

The creation of a trans-ethnic national culture which every citizen is forced to submit to is the only way to prevent rot from within. If only people who've served in the military were allowed to vote, the western world wouldn't be half as cucked as it is right now.

what part of "different race" do you not understand?

>it is just a sheltered world view
Dude, this is you, you cannot see or phantom a world where people seek to understand a history with a commitment to truth and not let it be subservient to ideological goals. This is why you are so easily convinced in both the pursuit of creating fictional histories, and the acceptance of those histories as fact. You see historical facts are merely tools to serve your argument and not the other way. This is you confusing weakness for strength.

I know there are different ethnicity thats not the point you fucking moron

>Culture and Ethnicity go hand in hand.
Civic nationalism is literally just cultural nationalism. If you admit that ethnic nationalism alone is not enough to unite a people then you admit that it is inferior to cultural nationalism.

Sorry buddy. I know too many blacks that are my friends. They have no ghetto culture. They share mine. Stop hating people for something they can't control.

Israel will be still standing strong when Canadians die fighting each other with nails and teeth for the last piece of food.

Ethnicity is what founded all states.

Ussr was a jewish empire usa a white empire rome a roman empire ottomans a turkish empire etc..

The West Indian immigrants to the UK were harmless and law abiding for the most part. Three or four generations later...Same deal with conservative blacks

Multi-ethnic society dimply doesn't work

I stand with both, because trump said he would deport millions of disgusting wetbacks and build a wall. I don't care if darkies also like him

>making yourself and your country weaker by rejecting those that share your common beliefs and culture because of the color of their skin

>i used to believe in statistics but then i met an outlier
lmao

Culture dont matter.

Culture is a development privlige not a fundamental.

>implying race is just skin color

>tfw America is about to be collectively raped to death by packs of niggers because of retards like this

Feels great.

How does that work if enclavism isn't encouraged?

>all asians are the same

and this is reflected in the reality of japan's relationship with china?

Do you realize how much of what you are grasping at is straw?

You suffer what most white nationalists suffer from, a selective understanding of history. The role the meme of the (((merchant))) as a signal to elicit skepticism form you, the role it serves in your movement is to scare you away from non-affirming histories.

Even googles in the congo have culture but they don't have roads.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAH
That is how you tell someone hasn't come close to South Ameica.
Our countries are shit because nothing ties us one to another aside of being born in this shitty land. Once one of comes into power, the first thing they look up is how to improve their close family (and the themselfes) postion. The root of Corruption if the lack of trust and lack of trust is big among mixed mongrel like us

it pretty much is. Of course there is a difference in our genes but don't pretend that the color of your skin means you will develop a certain ideology. Too many black republicans exist to refute your claim.

The reason it's failing in the US is because we have so many Blacks, and Hispanics who look outwardly different enough that they resort to tribalist behavior and fail to integrate into the shared culture and ideology.

Instead they desire to bring through their own culture and tear down the dominant successful culture.

When Europeans(who share a common culture of Christianity, philosophy from the Romans and Greeks, and Enlightenment ideals) immigrate they integrate within a generation. The distance between an Englishman and an German can be bridged very easily and Germans were very willing to adopt the dominant Anglo culture.

Mexicans however come here and fail to learn the language cause Mexican 5 year olds don't want to hang out with White American 5 year olds. They look too different and instinctively want to keep to their own.

Blacks are actively reverse integrating themselves with movements like BLM promoting and propagating the racial divide. You have guys like Colin Kaepernick(who was abandoned by his black father, born to a white mother, and raised in white suburbs by white millionaires) growing out crazy afros, converting to Islam and trying to join some sort of protest movement by kneeling during the national anthem and disrespecting the flag in an attempt to distance himself from Americanism. It's a blatant rejection of civic nationalism and an attempt to create what will probably soon develop into a black separatist movement.

No we stand here.

but you can stand in the gas chamber.

>Implying "niggers" are anything but 12% of the population

>austrians
>not raping their own children
>pedo-pandemic doesn't exist

>Our countries are shit because nothing ties us one to another aside of being born in this shitty land. Once one of comes into power, the first thing they look up is how to improve their close family (and the themselfes) postion. The root of Corruption if the lack of trust and lack of trust is big among mixed mongrel like us

this is third world politics, looking after a select group of people through the wealth of the state. this is what ethnic nationalism will devolve into, and ethnic nationalism in SA is clanism.

>committment to truth
Truth? Stay in your confines and debate "Truth" until you are blue in the face then, Intellectual.

>ethnic nationalism is literally a form of third world politics.
Did you also know that third world nations also breathe air. Should we continue to breathe murrika's air or is that a cuck thing to do?

well then if the US had a population of 300 million blacks (or any non-whites) but they didn't have guetto culture i guess you would be ok with it wouldn't you? :)

you would feel right at home, totally in no way you would feel estranged right? :)

idiot just because you have some black friends doesn't mean that you should want the destruction of your race idiot.

At the end of day all that we have is our race so if you share a country with the same culture but different race then that shit is meaningless.

>but don't pretend that the color of your skin means you will develop a certain ideology.
I don't have to pretend. personality is largely genetic.

>Too many black republicans exist to refute your claim.
The exception doesn't make the rule.

>They are my friends
You are part of the problem.

>personality is largely genetic.
HAHAHAHAHA

your post had nothing to do with mine. what are you even on about leaf?

america is one rare example where jewry, for it's own goals, supports the idea of supernation.

this should be leveraged against them and of course, black, hispano and other trump voters should be considered the same civilization and nation

"blood and crap" weakens and divides which makes it no brainer whose kitchen it comes from

>Blacks are actively reverse integrating themselves with movements like BLM promoting and propagating the racial divide. You have guys like Colin Kaepernick(who was abandoned by his black father, born to a white mother, and raised in white suburbs by white millionaires) growing out crazy afros, converting to Islam and trying to join some sort of protest movement by kneeling during the national anthem and disrespecting the flag in an attempt to distance himself from Americanism. It's a blatant rejection of civic nationalism and an attempt to create what will probably soon develop into a black separatist movement.

This is what the left wants. They want ethnic enclavism because it is so much easier to rule. The black disintegration depends on 'creating racial consciousness', which is also what white nationalism depends on.

how predictable and sad. truth is testable, if something happens it happens. History exist, and if you don't like facts because it doesn't serve your ideological goals, accept that and embrace who you are.

>everyone breathes air
>therefore there is no differences

yep, great argument! have a (you)

>weak ethno-nationalist cucks that will always lose

A nation is made up of more than you. This is why you will always lose and be weaker. You reject your natural allies.

The fuck are you even talking about? Whites are the most successful group at destroying their own fucking culture. It was whites who rejected American exceptionalism, it was whites who vote leftist (especially in Europe), it was whites who teach that ethnocentrism is wrong, it was whites who adopted the concept of white privilege, it was whites who abolished racial hierarchy, it was whites who adopted feminism. Stop pretending as if there is some outside force corrupting pure white culture. Are you going to blame the jews for this?

By standing with niggers you directly disrespect mother nature.

I slowly but surely start to dislike Trump to be honest. Not that I like Hilary... but if she would win burgers would get a chance to prove their 2nd Amendment isnt just a dick extension.

I am against guncontrol in general, but if the weaponkeeps are fat pussies the downsides overweigh

HAHAHAHAHA

I can do it too, see?

>third world politics
>what made Germany, France, Italy exists in the first place let alone become world powers is third world

Leaf's should be permabanned already.

>There's too much anecdotal evidence around me to pull my head out of my ass and look at the statistical evidence

what's the fucking point of ideology if you can't share it with people of the same race??

people have ideologies because thats what they believe that will benefit their people the best, putting people of different races but with same ideology will make that point moot because mixing will destroy them.

Who introduces new religions? How many new religions have sprung up in the last 500 years? Only one I can think of is Mormonism. It's not new religions magically springing up, it's foreign religions coming in and gaining a foothold like Christians in China. There's a reason China is so rough on Christian missionaries, because this ruins their ethnostate. But it's not like any of the 1.2 Billion Chinese people has just stared their own religion. It's foreign influence.

Godamnit, leaf.

Blood is thicker than water.
Always is, always will be, no matter how much bullshit you mill.

exactly

Laughing at your absurd and straight retarded beliefs. Your personality is a result of your upbringing and environment. If I stuck you in the ghetto, you would grow up trash for instance.

civic nationalism!
talk to a white hillary supporter and you will relinquish all pride in your race

cultural and civic nationalism is a fallback for apes that can't pull of ethnic nationalism

>predictable and sad
Spoken like a true liberal.

>statistical evidence

That proves nothing but culture is the culprit. Your race doesn't make you a raping murderer. Your choices do. Your culture can be a cancer that warps your decisions.

>By standing with niggers you directly disrespect mother nature.
>I slowly but surely start to dislike Trump to be honest.
no shit, jew

Go here

>(((Whites)))

...

>ethnic nationalism is literally a form of third world politics
U.S immigration policy through 1790-1965 could be considered Ethnonationalist. Same with Australia.

Now you're loosing your elections to the left. Welfare-state programs being put on use because of hispanic immigration

why exactly do you call me a jew?

This. Ideologies are purer than skin color can ever be. Stop the cucks from voting and all issues will resolve themselves.

>wanting to be with you're own kind
>means that you lose

>mixing with the other races wich results the destruction of your own
>means that you win

lol if wanting a culturaly and racially homogenous country means that i lose then by all means let me be a big loser!

also

egtheory.wordpress.com/2013/06/30/how-ethnocentrics-rule/

>we
If there is one thing Cred Forums agrees on it's rejecting the toxic collectivism of the regressive left.

That being said, ethnostates are ideal but oftentimes unfeasible.

Speaking of which, Ireland and Scotland should just collectively split and become one nation.

Their versions of gaelic aren't mutually intelligeble anymore but with some time that could be fixed.

t. Abdul

Sure we could talk in hypotheticals where I'm a wigger, but in reality blacks are more violent, impulsive, and criminal (personality traits) due to their genes. Link related, just one of the genes involved.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_A#Aggression_and_the_.22Warrior_gene.22

I agree 100% with this user.

Anyone that truly desires ethnic nationalism is either an incapable retard desperate to latch on to success or naive enough to not realize his "white utopia" would banish people like Thomas Sowell but keep Carl the cuck and white trash that smokes weed erryday

because you are one, or work for one

> U.S immigration policy through 1790-1965 could be considered Ethnonationalist. Same with Australia

'White' is not an ethnicity. The US, UK, Australia, NZ and Canada are all Civic nations.

White is a nation

>pedo-pandemic doesn't exist

Come up with some statistic backing that up instead of that one case that made world wide news (for a reason), then we'll talk.

guess the geniuses in the thread plan to have state for irish descendants, itallian descendants, british descendants ... etc
literally idiots

Typical white trash slav.

Trump is God Emperor. Ave Trump.

It's already over user. Civic nationalism died in the US when Trayvon Martin died. The media and the Left are going to do everything in their power to sew racial divide until the social fabric of this country is too worn to hold itself together. The American empire will come to an end, it will break up into smaller enthostates and probably be governed by a large coalition of nations EU style.

I'm a civic nationalist Trump supporter. Ethnic nationalism is a neat idea - you can see its success in Isreal - but won't work in America.

White is an ethnicity in the US.

>poorest
Not really. Too lazy to look up GDP and HDI rankings...
>western European
Dude even the most blinded Hungarian nationalists only go as far as 'Central Europe'. Which is true in most geographical contexts, western European is just factually wrong...

question of scale

ethnic = large
civic = small

White is a skill colour.

shut up fucking gipsy you're stinking up the thread

How come you think that?
That is my question retard.

That is acctually the second time I get called a jew, the first time it was because I said that attacking another country is justified if it is done to benefit your people.

Ideologies fail.
Horribly.

Never seen any that had not failed.
Now you are pushing Kalergi communist utopia again.

Down with the family
Down with the ethnicity
Down with the nation.

Let it be brother against brother ideological goldmine for slavers.

Fuck you and your ideologies. My nation has seen them all.

yes it is

If you do your research, academia is largely critical of the distinction between ethnic and civic nationalism. All nationalism's contain elements of both, you can't exactly eliminate all elements from one or the other

Sounds like your prof is racist.

Seriously though, people fall back on ethnic nationalism when civic nationalism can't be made to work anymore.

>That is acctually the second time I get called a jew
no shit, jew

you're not very well trained, so it's pretty obvious when you're jewing, that's why, talk to your handler

>flag

KYS

>The media and the Left are going to do everything in their power to sew racial divide
Sow. Sow seed, sew a sweater.
And you're a cuck if you need to find someone to blame for natural, normal racial divides. The majority of blacks have never been on the same page with the majority of whites.

Why should we care what academia is critical of? They're also critical of the existence of race in the first place. They've proven themselves to be ideologues and/or retards.

Especially considering leftism is literally 3rd worldism

You suffered more from your geography than any ideology whatsoever.

>It is third world tribalism, where people would just vote for their clan and the clan leaders would have to basically buy each their member's vote.

This sort of intragovernmental competition for handouts is only a problem when your "ethnic nationalism" hasn't achieved its apotheosis. It's literally not possible for this to be a problem when the state only has one ethnic group. In that scenario, your ethnic and civic nationalism become almost indistinguishable, except that the ethnonationalist state seeks to preserve its status quo and cohesion, whereas the civic nationalist state does a worse job of this (ie. it focuses only on values when admitting new citizens, so it can change over time more easily, whereas the ethnic state has an additional barrier to outside influence). Further, a sufficient degree of federalism can allow multiple ethnic, linguistic, or cultural groups to band together as a federation of ethnostates; see Switzerland.

TL;DR your prof is retarded but at least he's not a total faggot

Why would you banish people from other ethnicities? Cooperation between ethic groups is perfectly fine and natural, as is competition between them. Thomas Sowell would be just as based as a citizen of "Blackmerica" and would probably be more influential in the benefit of his own race is they had a nation and were responsible and accountable for their own successes and failures. The biggest thing holding black Americans down is that they can't get over their tribal instincts and integrate into white American society, and they don't have the political power as a minority in a larger state to feel empowered to run their own affairs. They can't become "American" and they don't have control of their own lives because they live under the tyranny of a white majority that they refuse to see themselves as a part of.

>I dont believe in outliers

I don't think you know how statistics work

ANSWER MY FUCKING QUESTION YOU INBREED PEACE OF DOGSHIT!
WHY!? do you think that I am a jew, I am curious.
And I am 100 percent sure that I am not a jew, I dont have a single jew trait.

How can one suffer from geography?
One adapts to geography.

>A swiss shouting tantrums.
Fuck off, faggot.

This.

Even though I've met a magic negro it doesn't change my opinion that we need to purge them lolol

No matter how many smart negros there are, it's exactly like conflicts between Europeans; they are noticeably different and thus there will ALWAYS be a potential for debilitating conflict.

All blacks are not niggers, that doesn't mean that the non niggerish blacks shouldn't go back. They should all go back.

niggers are literally thrash tier it's not like they think every morning about world problems, all their attitude is hand planted by jewry

There's always going to be cultural divisions and hence tension, mistrust, and warring between people of the same ethnicity in an ethno nationalist state, and that's what ethno-nationalists in the alt-right don't get. Cultural bonds are always stronger than ethnic bonds, if this wasn't true then how do stormfags explain the American Civil War?

As an American, civic nationalism, other European countries, ethnic nationalism. But ethnic nationalism doesn't mean you can't get along with other races, you just do it across a border

stand by black trump supporters

A professor should care, which is what I'm referring to. I'm a nationalist myself but I think the simple ethnic-civic dichotomy is so archaic it doesn't capture the complexity of human behaviour. Many self described civic-nationalists can alternatively be defined as Ethnocentric and vice versa, it's a largely unhelpful concept

Civic nationalism can be hijacked.

>The majority of blacks have never been on the same page with the majority of whites.
This is true, but they also were making progress until the State broke the black family. Their communities could be much better and if they were prospering like Asians, Jews and Poo-in-loos are then they wouldn't have BLM.

Right now they are actively heading in the wrong direction. They only way they can go is towards a Black secessionist movement. Look at BLM's demands? they get more and more absurd every week and there's no sign of stopping. Until black america has a State where they self govern and have full power and responsibility of their own affairs, they will just keep blaming white people for their problems.

this

>A Gypsy being butthurt.
Still mad Vaud banned begging so you and your 5 children can't beg in Lausanne anymore?

Estonia is bestonia

Blacks don't like other blacks.

>Not combining the two

Japan is a de facto ethnonationalist state which also has a high degree of cultural cohesion and civic nationalism. Without any of those elements the others would have failed by now.

The only problems are the Ainu and Okinawans and they demonstrate exactly why one of the elements being injured hurts the others.

Yes, it can. But not if there's a second layer. Well, that's not totally correct; any system can eventually fail, but saying "could fail so don't try" is silly.

Ethnonationalism within an ideological civic nationalism can fall prey to retarded leftists. Civic nationalism without ethnonationalism is especially susceptible to cultural disintegration.and ethnic conflict. You need the whole package.

You're right. Ideologies do fall, and this leads to nations falling. If the ideology or culture of an ethnostate were to fail, the ethnostate itself would crumble aswell. Ethnicity by itself is not enough to unite entire groups of people. It's completely myopic when people look at early civilizations to show the success of ethnic nationalism, as these societies were bound by a common culture and belief system. Sharing a common ethnicity may be a positive contributor to a society, but it alone is not enough.

>living next to Vikings
>living next to Teutonics
>living next to Prussians
>living next to Russians
The ideology is that you were small and they needed an excuse to kill you and take stuff.

It's Cred Forums, Brudi. "Everyone I don't like is a kike." Fucking annoying.

Sometimes your retarded brother needs a strong word.

You miss one point - ethnic nationalism is monocultural not multicultural. It shares same past.

because you
- spurted neonazi shit
whole Cred Forums knows neonazi here are 8ch shills paid by shillary to compromise the board, pepe and trump (and this was known far before this came out in media)

also, all neonazi movements in the world are run by jewry

- you spoke against trump. case closed

I have a question Cred Forums. The average IQ of whites is 100. Does the fact that there are outliers in the chimpanzee IQ distribution and some of them may in fact have higher IQs than dumber whites (definitely Down syndrome whites) change your opinion on whether we should have chimpanzees in our society or not?

Because that's the argument to keep blacks here.

This is what I said somewhere in this discussion - civic nationalism can only work with (enlightened) monarch in place.

The easier solution would be to allow regions to govern themselves without interference from some arbitrary group thousands of miles away that doesn't share anything in common with your region.

Why does California get a say on what kinds of gun laws get passed in Arkansas? When all the leftists die out childless and the Mormons take over this country, the few remaining lefties are not gonna be very happy when abortion becomes illegal nationwide and the state religion becomes Mormonism because the left shredded the constitution 100 years prior.

Just let other people who live half the world away from you govern themselves. If their government is terrible and you want to help them out then let them move into your region.

that sentence doesn't make any sense.
what are you trying to say?
im sorry, i will admit that i don't know much about american history but ethnicity can also mean race, so in the case of the us it was various cultures within the white race taht immigrated and created this sort of blend of european culture that is now the american culture,

people from a different culture but is part of the same race have and easier time to integrate and there is less conflict than a person of a different race

Ethnostate falls back to tribalist ways with no problem when there is anarchy.

Is this not the excuse of any ideology to take someones stuff and use it to benefit you?

Geography is irrelevant in this.

The better argument would be that we brought them here and bred them so now we're responsible for them. Arabs castrated all their slaves and now they don't have these problems.

We enfranchised them without really having a plan to integrate them. We got fucked because we went half assed into the situation. The only real solutions would have been to send them back, give them their own State, or basically fracture their communities and force them to be a part of white society and not allow them to selectively associate with each other(and I doubt southern whites would have been on board for this)

I already have chimpanzees in my society.

Civic nationalism is a oxymoron, a contradiction in terms.
The root of the word nationalism is the same as national, nation, native, nativity, natal.
Civic nationalism means i can move to China, get citizenship and start calling myself Chinese? Of course not, i would be laughed out of the country. Why then, is it possible for a African to move here and start calling themselves British?

wtf are you talking about, you will never get rid of the blacks, killing them or sending them off, you're living in the imaginary neverland

you just serve as a jew tool by flaming up the racial hatred instead of analyzing and coming to solutions for problems the right way.
and you leave the appearance of rational and analytical problem solving to various quaziscientific leftist sjw jew organizations that thrive on conflict

I forgot to include natural.