SEIZE MEANS OF PRODUCTION

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claim its not real communism

Kek. This was exactly the problem of Stalin's Marxist-Leninism.

Clause IV soon. The fire rises in bongerland.

>memes of procucktion

GO TO SWEDEN COMMIE

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Blame Kulaks and purge those class traitors!

SEEZE DEEZ NUTS

The "means of production" is the mind, not the factory.

Something commies never figured out.

When you seize the factory, the mind goes on strike, and the nation starves.

DUDE NOT REAL COMMUNISM LOL

also they're so enamored with the idea that a product is only worth the effort made by the laborer that they forget that workers become consumers too when they're not working

Seize the memes of production

Your country pays migrants to fuck your women
You're a bunch of cucks

I sure hope you dumb fucks know how to maintain the means of production.

Comrade, worldwide revolution is coming.

Communists so lazy they can't make their means of production. Show me a stable cooperative factory and then we'll think about your meme reorganization of the entire country through armed revolt.

Cred Forums is too classcucked to think about the big picture, imo

>being this bluepilled

capitalism doesn't cause "consumerist culture", nor does it cause degeneracy. The welfare state does.
The welfare state promotes the lack of responsibility through taxation and it rewards a childless life

Cunt faggot socialist commie parasite fuck I'll cut your fucking head off and suck the blood from your neck
> a threadly reminder of what we do to commie kike empathizer like you

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Jews all of you

Nah man, the whole cultural marxism thing is also a meme. The Cultural Marxists were just cultural theorists and in fact warned against the dangers of a fake/manufactured Culture Industry driven only by the commodification and falsification of genuine culture (hence their concept "The Culture Industry").
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_industry
With the British Cultural Marxists wanting to defend local community cultures against this "massification" of culture (hence their concept of massification).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Uses_of_Literacy#Massification_of_culture
…and they were in fact ANTI-CENSORSHIP; with with Richard Hoggart and Raymond Williams of The Birmingham School standing up against censorship at The Lady Chatterley trial. A censorship trial which is thought to have made Britain in the 1960s into a more permissive society.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Chatterley's_Lover#British_obscenity_trial
Adorno was even PROTESTED by feminists in his day, and the modern incarnation of The Frankfurt School is still writing AGAINST Identity Politics; pointing out that economic class is a more important factor to oppression than the social categories of identity politics.
konspektikaust.wordpress.com/2012/10/22/nancy-fraser-rethinking-recognition/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jobrot/sandbox/Cultural_Marxism_(culture_studies)#Relationship_to_Feminism
youtube.com/watch?v=4YGnPgtWhsw
watch this video also

>SEIZE MEANS OF PRODUCTION
SEIZE THE COMMUNICATION AND EDUCATION FIRST
(old marxism died, the new marxism is cultural marxism)

This is actually kinda interesting, will check some of this stuff out, thanks.

those "cultural marxist" aren't actually marxist but liberals who believe in postmodernism and "progressive stack" desu
i used to think it was all about marxism but then i actually read marx and realized there is nothing in there to support identitiy politics
he did hate the idea of bourgeoise marriage tho

Try making a car with you mind, nigger.

capitalism values freedom and individual rights over resources and material goods

socialism and communism are entire ideologies that promote the coveting of your own neighbours' goods

try making a car without one

yeah, everyone should at least try to read about what communist or marxist tried to do instead of following meme graphs on Cred Forums with no sources cited
also liberals =/= socialist/communists/marxist
liberals can be just as much for capitalism as any othe right winger imo

Really? Well that explains why USA has such a great, authentic culture.

WE HAD THIS THREAD YESTERDAY

archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/text/seize/type/op/

FUCK OFF COMMIE SCUM

what exactly are your definitions of liberal and right winger?

youtube.com/watch?v=LsOMEUamYkc

I can make everything needed to make a car by myself, it would only take a shitton of time and work. But it´s still possible.

Nice to see people with some actual knowledge here. Thanks mate.

Not an argument. Almost everyone has a mind. Factories are a limiting factor.

youtube.com/watch?v=AYqKQjVo30o&t=1m20s

Ayyyyyye

>Seize the memes of production

this image
tho i have no problem with third positionisn (third international theory) like Moamer Gadafi desu

>I can make everything needed to make a car by myself,
No,you can't. Even if you could, that car would be of inferior quality and far greater cost than a factory produced one.

So to compete, a factory is needed.

if it was possible to extract mental capabilities, would you be in favour of capturing intelligent people and distributing their mental capital amongst the less fortunate

We will do it in futuristic scifi space communism when we colonize other planets.
>tfw no 150+ IQ communist society

Yes I can, you fucking snow nigger. And I wouldn´t have all this work to sell the car, I´d make it to myself only.

No, you retard. That makes no sense.

Let me ask you this. Why do you want to be ruled by a boss, have a large portion of the profits of your labour taken by some asshole who happens to own stock and suffer unemployment in the society?

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>Tfw I opened up the trolling portal by pissing off /Lefty pol/ too much in "raids"

Un permaban me faggots, and we'll see what happens.

ok gimme a few years

Implying you wouldn't just be leeching of the future fascist space colonists who were thr only ones hardy and intelligent enough to pioneer such an accomplishment
>Implying you commies wouldn't just be the immigrants they allow onto their terraformed utopias asking for muh gibs

why would somebody allow me to use their capital at zero profit to them when my friend wants to use their capital and allow them to take a cut

We'll be living like in Star Trek!
youtube.com/watch?v=pzqW0YaN2ho

How would you make the engine block? How would you even make it to specifications?

Not an argument.
Be glad we're not starving under capitalism.

From the jews

Not an argument.
Not an argument.
Not an argument.

>engine block
I would make it of hard wood.

>specifications
Internet.

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Cooperative businesses are actually significantly more stable than conventional businesses.

Fuck off to North Korea.

Someone needs a therapist.

>Muh state Capitalism is just a means to achieve the materialistic reality which socialism requires to evolve into communism
>Ethnicity is pointless because IQ is passed on via the individual, there is no such thing as a regression to the mean

Was Chile really that well-off under Pinochet? I think there are a lot of memes related to him. I know Chile is probably a richer country now but I have my doubts about it's economic sucess.

what is the measure of stability

Good post

You fucking lunatic

>Actually cultural marxism was protested against by the feminists of 3 generations ago

Fucking top kek. It's still a Long Mach of neo Marxist bullshit. "Neo" Marxist, there's a distinction.

also, can you prove that the cause of this proposition (which i will assume true) is anything other than that cooperative businesses work well in some industries and poorly in other industries, and this stability is why cooperative businesses can thrive in the industry

Well, only reason I made that post was to prove to Cred Forums that actual Marxism has nothing to do with ones identitiy, nor radical feminism.

not really

I want communism to work and I've read a lot of communist literature I even used to go to IWW meetings but I still can't imagine a world without capitalism.

Not an argument.
>le go to le shitty country so I can le strawman le more le
Not an argument.
Another strawman. I never said anything about "state capitalism" or IQ.
How long they last or how likely they are to fail or collapse.
uk.coop/sites/default/files/uploads/attachments/co-op_economy_2015.pdf
Twice as many cooperatives as conventional businesses (8 out of 10 versus 4 out of 10) survive their first five years of operation. I'll have to check the figures on different industries though.

sometimes i feel like this, too
that's why I shitpost on imageboards a lot and do nothing, kek

Kys you commie scum.

r-rude

You should be raped by HIV-infested shiptars,then get your both kidneys stolen and sold.

>Claim that state capitalism isn't actually communism but just the transitional period between capitalism and socialism.
>Somehow there is another defence against the "not real communism" argument

>At the time of my post you had no argumebt so I had to anticipate them
>Lol strawman

>le shiptars will rape me in communism
I fail to see how this happens. Also Tito's Yugoslavia was much better than what we have now, even Shiptars agree. :)

Yes.

>Inb4 Allende was just straight incompetent

Finally this kind of thread
Okay, so I would like to address a few things.
When it comes to communism and socialistic government, I think of a country where everyone humbly work for 12h per day 5 days of a week or more with equal wages across the board. It does not matter whether you are: black, hispanic,white, asian; it does not matter what religion you have, or man or a woman.

Bottom line, all people work. when I mean all . I MEAN EVERY FUCKING ONE.

But I have read history and I know communism by it self is extremely hard to pull off . As we have seen in former Soviet union, the production of ,for example, cars and such. they were bad quality and of course when having a monopoly position, did not encourage to develop the product even further.
As I see it, Gorbachev, did have a good idea when giving people more freedom, which I could think that people would give constructive criticism when ever there was a problem. Thus getting more near to the utopia (not completely possibly).

I still don't understand, what the culture Marxism means, but if does not follow "Marxism–Leninism" ideology then it does not count.

Oh and that religion thingy, never mind that, because only religion in a communistic country is the Communism itself

Neck yourself pasta ebin :DDD

and also I want to see
youtube.com/watch?v=5DXysv-jkiY
kind of parades.
People from different cultures can still work for the motherland and send to gulag if they disobey
wut
I just wrote this?
LAZY AMERICAN WITH ARROGANT ATTITUDE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>when you starve to death but you remember it's ok because it wasn't real communism

Except it's copy pasta tier since all you wrote was propoganda straight from the manifesto

elaborate pls

You guys are idiots who think cultural marxism = marxism. If you bothered to read Capital, you'd know that Marxism is simply a critique of capitalism, and one that has valid concerns even for the bourgeoisie.

youtube.com/watch?v=gudJgbvBnmo

That would involve invading China though.

huh
never mind senpai

that song predicted everything that is happening right now, why didn't people like that win in the end.

I would be all good with communism if it rewarded honest hard work instead of tolerating parasitism.

Forget equality and justice for all, I want equality and justice for those hard working people that deserve it, and only those people. The rest can go to slave labour camps where they can be forced to work hard.

Many people can not handle total economic freedom, they become parasites at the first opportunity they get, capitalism does away with this by starving you to death if you do not work, communism doesn't seem to have a way to weed out those who don't do their part for society.

>When you're genuinely interest in actual leftist discussion but the valuing of identity politics over actual progress by redditors and tumblrites turns you off entirely

Except cultural marxism is inherently anti-capitalism by the nature of Critical Theory, and originates from critiques of the Trotskyite long March.

Marxism is more than just Das Capital.

Communism is the only mode of production where starvation is blamed on the government. Why does no one consider the millions starving under capitalism as the failures of capitalism?

Also, keep in mind what people mean by "real communism." While all communist states were ideologically communist, they partook in capitalist markets and described themselves as "state capitalist." Lenin thought that going directly to collectivization would result in everyone having a poor standard of living, thus his initial goal was to create an economy that, once collectivized, could provide for everyone. These kinds of considerations only apply to the rural economies of Czarist Russia, pre-revolutionary China, etc.

You have to judge the standard of living for former communist countries on what preceded them, not on how they stacked up to long standing capitalist economies.

Faggot.

>Millions starving under capitalism on the same rates as communists
>Nor being pro tzar

[Citation Needed]

look at the rest of South America, that's how it would be like, whatever temporary unstable times it created, getting rid of communists is good in the long run.

LOL fuck off, Norm.

It's almost like they made an entire board for you called /leftypol/

I think that Cred Forums has more in common with the radical left than they think. If everyone here is so preoccupied with cultural homogeny or whatever, you have to keep in mind the historical context that leftists have been advocating open boarders. They did not want open boarders to "enrich society," or whatever-- they literally wanted to force economic collapse. There is also a long standing rift between nationalists like Stalin and internationalists like Trotsky.

The main goal of radical leftism is work place democracy. As exemplified through worker's co-ops, this kind of model actually has a lot of bipartisan support.

>Not an argument

>>Seize the memes of production
Redistribute the sperg.

>Getting rid of communists is good in the long run

What about Afghanistan?

We're not anti open borders as much as we're just anti you.

>Let's crash this economy to force muh workers revolution

Helicopter rides.

FREE FUCKING HELICOPTER RIDES

>real communism
KEK I love that meme

Except Afghanistan was populated by dirty Arab jihadists which you encouraged instead of allowing secularism to overtake the middle East and destroy that goat fucking religion.

They were shot to begin with and you made it worse. Then of course the (((US))) funded the jihadists. You literally caused the military industrial complex and international usury a foothold in the middle East you brain dead commie.

don't you see socialism has never been tried
they accidentally state capitalism
t-this time it'll work for sure!

Is Cred Forums not the same in that regard? We currently have daily threads hoping Deutsche Bank will fail and take the entire economy with it.

>Hoping

More like anticipating leftist/liberal policies to fail naturally and have people wake up to the marxism and ethno masochism which has been forced onto them by the media and state controlled school system

>tfw no 150+ IQ communist society
Good luck with that, communism might drain the IQ from your country faster than if niggers are breeding like rabbits.

The means of production are actually natural resources and raw materials.

Afghanistan was the most secular ME country at the time, which is why it was ripe for revolution. The US funded a very small, reactionary group on the basis that at least they weren't communists.

Was creating the modern face of terror worth stopping communism from spreading to the ME? You didn't even stop it, the Kurds are trying for FULL COMMUNISM as we speak

Yeah, only fascist neonazis need food or toilet paper.

More like anticipating rightist/liberal policies to fail naturally and have people wake up to the neoliberalism and capitalism which has been forced onto them by the media and state controlled school system

>The most secular

Which isn't saying much now is it? You poked the hornets best and the jews, anticipating this, funded jihadists. Your escalations is easy to profit off of, and easy to fight against. You gave the military industrial complex all the ammo it needed.

You shitlibs could've just waited a few more generations for the religion to die out but no

>SEIZE NAO

>m-Muh the jews control everything, they only care about their own interests

Then why the fuck aren't you a commie?
>But according to this nazi resource communism is controlled by sionism

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The basic idea of communism is that 100% of your work results should belong to you only. How is it a bad thing?

>Open borders
>Right leaning
>EU
>Right leaning
>Usury
>Right leaning

>WHAT PRODUCTION?
if that NEET from OP's pic were alive today he'd advocate to seize the wombs

>who is marx
>who is every commie ever
Kill yourself Jorge

>100% of what you make belongs to you
>Why is this bad

Because you're a dumbass who doesn't know what to do with it

>Let's solve the jewish problem through Dialectic materialism

-Karl Marx in his essay on jews

I think you're underestimating how secular they were as a whole. I think you're also under the assumption that reactionaries are tied to religion necessarily, and that that's not just the face that reactionaries took under the material conditions of the time.

The USSR could have waited, but people would have found an avenue to display their dissatisfaction with the conditions. The US directly participated in cultural hegemony in the ME by funding jihadists, leasing toward establishing the culture we have since been in perpetual war with.

Also, who are the Jews here? Marx was a Jew, lenin was a Jew, Trotsky was a Jew... But yet the US is also filled with Jews. You can turn anything into a Jew v Jew fight.

oy vey i sure hate those damn jews

Yet worker co-ops where decisions on what to do with surplus value and how to invest have a higher success rate than capitalist enterprise.

Additionally, this board has been freaking out about the collapse of the DB, which is at least partially due to the elite capitalists running it mismanaging investments.

>unironically supporting communism
good goy

>He's still this low in the geopolitical awareness sphere

The middle East as a whole was trending towards secularism, especially Iran and Afghanistan before foreign intervention from both the capitalists eventually leading to the rise of Khomeini in the Iran, and the USSR's intervention in Afghanistan. Both have jihadists a fundamental existential crisis. Both were seen as profitable to the (((military industrial complex))) due to the eventual turmoil I would create.

You played in favor of the oligarchs by not simply calling the US/ western powers did in Iran, especially the CIA's history with the shah. Had you only waited maybe 1 generation, where Islam would be seen as archaic, you would've permanent dealt a blow to the religion as a whole.

>Jews

Read Marx's essay on the jews. Communism is an expression of the jewish ethnic mindset, his solution to Jewry is communism.

>worker

Which workers :^)

Nazism is basically ethnic communism.

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>oligarchs
They're all jews and muslims.

>his solution to Jewry is communism.
Yeah, everyone in communist countries was poor besides high ranking commie party members and jews.
Coincedence?

BULL SHIT

that started after you got your glorious """"""""""""freedom"""""""""""""""""""

>60%

> everyone in communist countries was poor besides high ranking commie party members and jews.
Coincedence?

that is lie.

>implying elites don't hold great wealth and power in capitalist society
>implying said elites do not fear expropriation

Why not merely produce?

>muh class warfare
>T-there's no such thing as hierarchy!
>completely ignoring the jewish problem

Haven't commies ruined enough countries already?

>t.Paki

>that is lie.
Well I got first hand information from my relatives and to be hones I rather believe my family who grew up and lived in a commie country instead of some spoiled upper class stoned burger who probably never worked a day in his life.

>implying that I'm implying
Checkm8 atheist scum

>when you don't see an argument

>South America
>communist
They're voting in left-wing leaders because they're fucking sick and tired of historically being under foreign-controlled capitalist dictatorships.

Not an argument.

>Not an argument.
Deja vu.

tl;dr

>Communists will never understand their own ideology even though the biggest hint as to why it isn't working is in the root word
Fucking globalist scum trying to make governments far bigger than they should be

Should I explain it to you?
Because I know exactly what Thiago is talking about, newfriend.

>flag
>23% without a job
Do you have a job, Esteban?

The USSR was poor if you looked at some financial indicators, but they were actually ahead of most countries in some regards, especially if you looked at what they had come from.

Hear hear!

I'm studying right now.

They went from a well respected kingdom with religion, art, hard working people and intelligent people like Dostojewski to the people who screwed up Chernobyl and killed upstanding Ukrainian citizens because of some Georgian Sociopath who got abused by his father and had nothing but hate in his heart.

I have a job since I'm 15 and still went to school. So that I have some monies for air max, gstar jeans and lv belts and caps kek.

The spanish job market still looks...lets say not good. You know where I'm at. We like you guys.
And btw mallorca is like a second home for drunk krauts like me lol.

This. USSR had to rebuild itself and its allies. Actually accomplished relevant things (sticking flag on moon is dick-waving, not relevant) when it came to space travel. And it actually looked like USSR was going to win the Cold War.

Communism is worse than this pepe

>Marx was a kike
>Bolsheviks were 85% kikes
>Almost all the people promoting socialism today are kikes

Keep your kikery to yourself.

Just say oh well I've got mine and pretend it's not happening, like we already do under capitalism?

Kill yourself

>what is welfare
Germany is capitalist and nobody is starving here you tard.

Own a business in the us.
Gov takes over 50% of the income I generate through various taxes
Gov already owns the means of production

Why do that when I could seize the means of reproduction?

Rose

what is wrong there?

its the opposite you dummy

Jesus that's some pure ideology

Capitalism destroys individual rights and requires exploitation and indentured servitude by forcing the working classes to sell their labor to the wealthy in order to subsist. Capitalist "freedom" is a joke. It also literally requires you to covet your neighbor's shit, because if you're not jealous of the nicer phone and the bigger TV he has you have no incentive to go out and buy those things.

Get woke capitalcuck

Everything in Bulgaria was better under communism faggot. Only my senile grandpa complained about the damn commies

>I want communism
As if you actually know what communism is.
Don't feel ashamed if you don't know.
No one does.

The "means of production" is a borderline autistic idea that has no basis in reality. So what if someone seizes the factories? They did not exist in nature, they were created by men. The wealth they generate is dependent on the degree to which they are responsibly owned. If I'm a professional artist drawing a picture, you stealing my sketchbook does not decrease my artistic skill, increase your own, or erase the market demand for my particular drawings. The sketchbook being in your amateur hands instead of in the hands of a professional artist means that the income it had previously generated can no longer be sustained. What Marx was truly (probably unkowingly) saying was "police the production and distribution of every good and service in the country (impossible) and remove (kill) those who disobey (i.e anyone with a marketable skill)." Ignoring the fundamental reason anything has value in the first place. Replace the sketchbook with essential living supplies for a country of more than 120,000,000 people and you have a well-defined road to inevitable mass starvation.

>If it doesn't directly affect me it's not a problem

The capitalist mindset is embarrassing desu.

Nothing wrong with being a big business wageslave whore.

like killing kulaks, innit.

gommunism is all about ignoring everything around you.

Capitalism is the only system that values liberty, defining liberty as the ability to make decisions for yourself. In a capitalistic socielty you have the power to "vote with your wallet" this being your goods and/or services (eg: workforce (services) for money (goods)).
I personally value my freedom, and communism takes your economic (most important) freedom by default, it abolishes competition, and by the nature of the system itself, it also ends up abolishing other freedoms, such as freedom of expression, to avoid opossing opinions againts the main party.

The problem with communism is that it is an ideology that fights human nature, it needs every human to act as an ant, whithout the impredictability of free will and aspirations. In paper, communism sounds great, but so does fascism, anarcho capitalism (only consistent anarchism) and liberal's fairyland. They all sound great, but humans are greedy, and only capitalistic/libertarian societies that allow and/or even reward this nature can succed on the long run.

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Thalmor aren't that yellow

tell that to africans
tell that to arabs who have no factory even when they have all the oil

the mind is what matters.

bolshevism and zionism
the fight for the jewish mind

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Te gusta la paella?

???
Si pero no me apasiona, me va mas caldoso
como paella quizás 5 veces al año

>If it doesn't directly affect me it's not a problem
Show me one example of someone starving in Germany in lets say the last 50 years :^).

>inb4 africa
Commies never ever gave a fuck about africa either, useful idiot. While the civil population and goverments of capitalist countries were donating and investing money into those countries, the commie countries didn't gave a shit even about their own population.

Now prove me wrong you, Josef. I'll wait.

WHY DOES EVERY ICELANDER HAVE THE SAME COLORED TAG
I CANT KEEP TRACK OF ANYTHING

>SEIZE MEANS OF PRODUCTION
>Do it for me Onii~Chan!
>Blame Kulaks and purge those class traitors!

You deserve a ban.

nu-Cred Forums get out

no one has starved in a capitalist society
literally no one

So wrong. This is what capitalism has become all the fucked up shit that's happening now is a product of the commodified form

>Capitalism requires exploitation and indentured servitude by forcing the working classes to sell their labor to the wealthy in order to subsist
You realize you don't "have" to work for anyone in a true free market, right? All you have to do is produce something of value and convince someone else to trade with you. Only in the Western crapitalist (aka communist) system are individuals so hindered by government regulations and artificially removed from the negotiating table that the only viable way to survive is to sell yourself to corporations. Places like Walmart wouldn't be able to get away with paying such shitty wages if their workers weren't allowed to consume government welfare at the same time.

>Capitalist "freedom" is a joke
Not an argument. Try again.

>literally requires you to covet your neighbor's shit, because if you're not jealous of the nicer phone and the bigger TV he has you have no incentive to go out and buy those things
This makes no sense. I buy tons of stuff that none of my friends own because I seek them out of my own interest. An example of this would be printed flags, which I collect in my free time.

Typical deluded communist trying desperately to convince himself that all humans are carbon copies of each other with no dissenting opinions or thoughts.

state capitalism isn't a transition to communism noone claims this

>system are individuals so hindered by government regulations

>wealthy people use bribes to pass laws in their favor
color me surprised. Capitalism does not guard against corruption. Corruption can only exists along with private property.

Otherwise it would be impossible to bribe someone with the collective's resources because the collective would refuse to hand over resources to a private individual.

A good wagecuck works and his boss uses that work to bribe politicians.

A good business owner bribes politicians, to do otherwise puts him at a disadvantage to the businesses that bribe.

In communism you have to hold a vote on how to distribute collective products ergo, the distribution matches the needs of the worker, unlike capitalism where a worker maybe #MAGA but his employer is #IMWITHHER

The only way to have true power is to put the means of production under popular control.

>be Hispanic
>actually know what I'm talking about

They're voting in left wing leaders because most of them are dumber than rocks desu. Anti-gringo movements are inherently left wing because of lefties polluting genuine racialist movements.

>1 post by this ID
:^)

>Having white men become transgendered and letting their women get fucked by niggers will usher in utopia.

And who designs a factory capable of making cars of superior quality and less than the cost of materials and labor?

Conservatards: "Seize the means of reproduction!"

"Every embryo is a baby!"

Eat my shit, nigger.

nu-Cred Forums get out.

>nigger
>60%
oh user

>Get into debate with whatever form of Marxist
>Literally all of them say that state capitalism is just the transitional period before communism is achieved
>Can't into the basic premises of dialectal materialism

those "marxists" are stalinists which are a laughing stock. Try to branch out of the media political horseshoe were stalinism is the "far left" but asking someone on Cred Forums to do that is in itself a joke since that's why your here.

Ok let's here what strange brand of marxism you are then. I've heard the exact same argument among non Stalinists/ leninists/ Maoists/ authoritarian leftists before.

Go ahead cupcake. Enlighten me.

Name everything titov-something, pat ourselves on the back, maybe make some cheap cars

the exact works of marx and all the left wing communisms and anarchist communism though they very likely wouldn't interest you much but hey it's a shot

also "dialectal materialism" is a stalinist comcept not a marx one

no you haven't, go on leftypol for five seconds and you'll see the va st majority agree with his viewpoints and not these mythical swarms of people you, mr top tier debater on a Mongolian tapestry forum have discussed with. I know you're bullshitting because tankies would never refer to the USSR as state capitalism.

go back to building masonry in france, pedro

like he know what a tankie is

>Anarcho communists
>Not just solipsistic thugs incapable of not no true Scotsman Bing their way out of an argument in order to morally justify their own hypocritical egoism
>Playing into the stereotype this hard

Kek you fags never change do you? Dialectical materialism isn't the "process of muh workers revolution" it's a form of Critical analysis if history which favors material circumstance and conceptual evolution in favor of biological interpretations of history.

In the nature vs nurture debate, dialectical materialism is hardcore nurture. It's all about circumstance. You're right in assuming that different authoritarian regimes interpreted this analysis in different ways to fit their current circumstance, but the views of Marx on history and han behavior is generally called dialectal materialism

>Tfw when your entire microcosm of economic principles is based on semantics

The communist solution to the capitalist "problem"..... is to make the "problem" the solution.

>Problem: "Too much of the wealth is in the hands of too few people!"

>Solution: "Let's concentrate control of ALL of the wealth into even FEWER hands!"

A recipe for success that its. How could it ever go wrong to give the government, as select few elite individuals backed by the military, control of ALL of the wealth?

We need a new Stalin to kill all the cucks and classcucks

jesus your triggered as fuck and I like you jumped to the ancom label when I simply mentioned it out of many

>Go onto Lefty pol

I would if they unbanned me

But yes they all.assume that because they want to cull blacks and are pro arming the populace that they are different from the traditional Marxist.

>Tfw I brought up Yuri and the entire thread Reee'd in unison.

>unironically being an anarkiddie

No, ancom is just the general argument your board gravitates towards without realizing it.

That and Noam Chomsky anarcho syndicalism, transhumanism, basically whatever bs your professors tell you is accurate.

>gets banned from /leftypol/
you should reflect on your life

I don't browse leftypol

khmer rouge was based af tbph.

Yeah, I really know how to piss off leftists
Nice arguments. You high or something?

Yeah I get the picture. Like anyone without half a brain doesn't know what a "tankie" refers to.

Like I said, you all gravitate towards ancom without even realizing it, it's why most people treat you fags like jokes.

Fucking kek that image

PRIVATIZE THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION

DO IT

NOW

and what's your criticism of ancom

Nice picture. More of them in here.

imgur.com/a/cpal4/all

bom meme

In what sense? As a political movement or idealogy as a whole?

the nose

What a joke of a comment section holy fuck.
But old guy who was in stasis or whatever nailed it,"where's the challenge?"

doesn't matter just post something

also try the left communism wikipedia page and marxists.org/subject/left-wing/
if your have some opinion that ancom isn't "deep" enough for you though if your at that level why would you be here

Well as a whole your idealogy is as quixotic as transhumanism and, as useless to geopolitics as a whole as NAMBLA. Any idealogy you and your movement represent is only useful to those more powerful than your own who enable it in order to undermine the west.

As a whole you are irrelevant due to numbers, resources, and ability to spread as. Pretty much anarcho *insert idealogy* is irrelevant in the long run unless you are debating among a core group of intellectuals who can understand it. Most can't, or don't care to even if you were to somehow come.ibto control of mass means to spread propoganda.

I think you're conflating 'means of production' and 'labour'.

Stupid proxy
Making us icebros look bad

>Any idealogy you and your movement represent is only useful to those more powerful than your own who enable it in order to undermine the west.

what a waste of time

It seems to me the only thing to contest is the 'profit' element of the picture. And the costs of a business should also be set according to societally determined levels (i.e. some kind of minimum wage) of the cost of labour. If you're looking for an incentive it's simple: since it is those who receive the payment for the labour for the production who actually run the company via boards and shares and votes, and therefore effectively [spoiler]own the means of production[/spoiler], they all have a vested interest - for their own long-term economic gain - to invest wisely and encourage growth.

Is that socialism? If not I'm not a socialist.

What's my motivation to work under a socialist society? I'm genuinely curious.

What is the pose's meme again?

This is my biggest gripe with it. They always say the people should own the means of production but how does that work? Who decides who gets what? There has to be some system that determines that which is basically the government. If the government owns the means of production then it is as if one corporation owns everything. That is much worse than having several giants owning things that are competing with each other.

That's a straw man.
>someone tries to make an actual point
>HURRRR LE NO TROO SGOTSMAN LE XDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111!!!!!11!!!1!1!!!!!111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>You are weak as a core entity who has little backing and potential when compared to your competitors
>N-no you!

Like I said, solipsism, grandeur, and egocentric in general are the key traits behind the modern "alt left" or whatever you will cringy blanket adjective you will begin to call yourselves.

>He doesn't know what semantics is
Kek

All the more reasons for them to seize those means. They're controlled by their oligarchs now.

I like to be as romantic as the next guy, but the mind is only one aspect of reality. Be less of a egoist and more of a metaphysicist.

Are you fucking blind?

>alt left

ha ha ha

I'm still waiting for someone to name a successful communist country.

It's been 55 years.
Can anyone do it?

>communist
>country

try looking up definitions of words

At least you don't have faggots calling yourself "alt right" who are degenerate hypocrites of what they claim to represent. If you gain any kind of mainstream support you will have a group dedicated towards spreading into the outlier groups, and groups which try to subvert the image which you have garnered.

You don't have mainstream support, plus there's a coming conservative renaissance about to occur due to 60 years if the pendulum swinging left.

If you'd like to hear my take on why anarchism as a while is impossible, get to me a little later and we'll start debating about basic tenants of psychology and social order.

>venezuela
>china
>not undernourished

kekkles

>due to 60 years if the pendulum swinging left.

>he actually thinks the state is going to wither away
>Lenin's Vanguard of the Proletariat isn't just another Bourgeoisie

ICELAND NO

>actually thinks I'm a leninist
>thinks the state has anything to do with creating communism
>leaf

tfw you would command and conquer her

>He doesn't think leftism has been more popular than anything the right has done since the end of WW 2
>Implying communism is in any way more controversial than far right wing politics under the current regime

No, Pinochet barely counts in thr long run. I consider multiple leftist revolutions and takeovers which swept the world for the past 60 years as evidence, plus the concept of "leftist" is subject to change. I could list 15 or so. Great arguments so far, nothing but b8 and the typical defense mechanisms so your self image doesn't take to many blows.

>What do we do when millions start to starve to death?
Absolutely nothing. People all over the world starve to death everyday. No one in the first world gives a shit unless they can profit from the situation. Fuck the first world and the problems it will face when the capitalist party comes to an end. Just like the Jews during the Holocaust, Capitalist Pigs can starve to death in camps or burn in ovens if starvation is to slow for them. Seriously, fuck the western capitalist world. It deserves to reap everything it has sown the past few hundred years.

what are you talking about, this is perfect example of commie ideology

I like collecting Eastern Bloc stuff but anyone going communist again is dumb

Not an argument

>Capitalism profits from 3rd world exploitation meme
>(((Capitalist Pigs)))

We literally pay them millions, give them access to vaccines, educate, import them into our own countries, and start wars on Islam's behalf. Only one group in particular benefits from this.

That's not England; too many white people in that pic

Good thing I wasn't making an argument and just a simple statement then.

Do you even know what leftist means? If your analysis of the past 60 years is correct then why is every single country today still capitalistic? Why are things like, income inequality the worse it has ever been? Where are the unions, worker cooperatives, left political parties? The world is predominately right-wing, fact.

>We literally pay them millions, give them access to vaccines, educate, import them into our own countries, and start wars on Islam's behalf
>implying any of that is true for 99.99% of the Third World

b-but mutlicuturalism means they're ultra left wing cultural marxists a entire history of right wing economic policy's and localized right wing social policies d-don't count! communist king obama!

Never said that or implied that. But you fags have done a poor job of what "leftist" means in the public eye. How about you actually engage me instead of circle jerk yourself out of an argument? Give me a thesis on how anarcho communism can work in a TL;DR form the best you can.

Except it is 99%. See the multicultural phenomena for more details. I can spam country names, charities, and Li ks if you want.

>Communist king Obama
>Literally a neo lib

>Obama
>communist

If a Capitalist owns a manufacturing line, doesn't this mean they have already seized the means of the production? Is it just me or is the endgame of Socialism actually Capitalism?

OK, lets

lets not

>Give me a thesis on how anarcho communism can work in a TL;DR form the best you can.

>Engine block made out of wood
Holy fucking KEK, I'm dying over here! Have you ever even OWNED a car? Do you even have a fucking clue how one works?

Brazillain Cred Forumsacks: Making engine blocks out of wood. Can't make this shit up.

I'm honestly on board with whichever revolution manifests first, communist, nationalist, fuck it.