Driverless cars, no human, no steering, legalized in California

I can't wait, imagine economic immigrants becoming obsolete because there is no job left...
youtube.com/watch?v=xGi6j2VrL0o

more on that qt3.14?

>they can't be taxi drivers
>they start selling drugs
Yeah much better

bump

Driverless train when?

Johnson was never really a candidate.

Also, i hate you, it's always you. Fucking Elon musk, ball gargling-amber heard faggot.

I say this in every thread, total automination will never happen unless the government wants total finacial ruin, or absolute communism.

Look at how many retards in this thread afraid of technology. If driverless cars become a reality that's an excellent thing, it will drive the cost of many services down. Are you still crying about horse-shoe manufacturers losing all their jobs after the industrial revolution? If you can't adapt to the new reality then you're a disease on the society.

The only good argument about this is that these cars can and will be hacked so the government might just murder you and say "oops just a glitch bro"

>It's gonna cause a fucking civil war.

Legalized weed / alcohol + internet porn + tv sport + basic income.

Just give people free money, it's just paper and things will nearly have no value being made automatically at no cost by robots.

>they live on welfare
>a lot of them live on welfare
>welfare money ends
>refugees are repatriated

We are already here
theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/30/afghanistan-refugee-crisis-europe-pakistan
>Europe and Pakistan’s proposals to send millions of people back to Afghanistan will cause mayhem in an already fragile country
>

t. Luddite

Can the hacker known as Cred Forums hack these cars?
Also let's say you're in your literal auto mobile and you're kicking back then all of a sudden heart attack
And your car continues to drop you off at your friends kids birthday party

But that's exactly what they want

Jerry Brown wants to get rid of all private automobile ownership. He wants all the cars gone.

He wants us all to live in the city and ride bikes everywhere, take buses or trains, or walk.

Really wish I were kidding.

It would be a smart move to ban private automobiles though. It's gonna happen.

There is no need for everyone to own a car if there are a bunch of self-driving taxis always ready to take you anywhere.

Owning a car just creates a lot of parking nightmares.

What if you had a heart attack as a consequence from choking yourself while masturbating and you configured your car to eject you out as soon as you arrive? Awkward...

Lets say you have a heart attack while driving and you swerve into oncoming traffic.

>Legalized weed / alcohol + internet porn + tv sport + basic income
No civil war can ever happen in a world where the average person has easy access to all of that

Yeah can't wait to tell it to take me to a corner to pick up a girl then tell it to drive in an alley and go idle for 10 minutes

>All the trump spam

Do you know where the fuck you are, faggot?

Yes, freedom is unnecessary for human development, comrade 18368267.

Yes, and they already have.

>they live on welfare
They live on drug money bro

It will never end, unless drugs gets legalized

I'm not anti tech.
It's just simple economics.
No jobs due to automation.
No money to buy products from robots
Companies go broke (labor isn't the only expense, not even a major one in most manufacturing)
Gov loses tax revenue (no income tax, Corp tax and sales tax drop, increased welfare)
Economic ruin.

Unless somehow everything becomes free, including energy, materials, land etc.
It won't ever happen.

Cred Forums had other topics

now it's 99% election shit

Uber drivers have ~3 years max until they're unemployed

>So fuck humans, you're making the streets a dangerous place
We made the streets you potato nigger

Buckle up buckaroo!

California actually doing something right for once.

I can't wait to have the option to manually drive or just get fucking hammered and have my car drive me to my destination.

Picture this:

>Your self-driving car with only you in it is going down the street at 50mph
>There is an oncoming self-driving car with 3 people in it coming down the other lane, also going 50mph
>A kid runs out onto the street to try to catch their ball
>Algorithm calculates that there isn't enough time to brake
>Other self-driving car wirelessly communicates to your car that it is carrying 3 people
>Your car calculates and decides to drive itself (and you) into a cement barrier, killing you, instead of killing the kid or the 3 people in the other car, as this is what its pre-programmed morality dictates
>Absolutely nothing you can do about it, because there isn't enough time for you to react

Computers/algorithms making life or death decisions. Also worth noting that this will be a great way to perform political assassinations.

Less, and fuck, that was my backup job in case things went south here.

And I can't wait for some jackass to take control of your car and send you off an overpass.

It's funny cuz Uber is testing all this shit while having retards who work for them as drivers

CHECKED

Didn't one of Elon's car already smash against a truck on the highway, killing the driver?

Granted, it was autopilot and not a fully functional AI, but still...

Yeah and they were safe for the first 5200 years

>There is no need
And who the fuck are you to say who needs what?
If I want a car then god damn it I will own a car.

Then why didn't society collapse when we stopped riding donkeys and horses?

And i can't wait having your children driven to a pedophile gang by your hacked car.

You can look up stats on some of the cars now. They log more accidents than the average driver, but I think there's only been like 1 or 2 times in which the AI was at fault.

Needless to say, at this rate the AI should be perfectly safe in five years.

A C C E L E R A T E I T

If you drive to work in california, you'd understand why we need driverless cars.

lower accident rate than normal cars so far

Yes, I'm on the cancerous neo Cred Forums

Personally, if your career choice (not job) can be BTFO by automation, a machine, or a Pajeet, you should find a different career. No sympathy from me.

Industrialization created more jobs. Automation does not. It's just that simple.

Yes and mistakes like that will continue to happen though over time as the technology improves, the relative frequency will go down. The computers driving don't have to be perfect, they just have to be significantly better than humans. Of course just like people who are scared of flying in an airplane even though it is safer per mile than driving, there will be those who are scared of driverless cars even if they're orders of magnitude safer than human driven cars.

Yes, but a government wouldn't let its people become unemployed. It would not only crash the economy but they'd get voted out pretty fast.

I think there are still ethical problems with driverless cars that can't reasonably be addressed.

inb4 driverless cars never crash

I could have sworn this was implemented already. Seriously, 90% of humans are useless.

it won't work, doesn't matter how much people push for it it's going to fail. taxis will be the first proof of failure, order uber to a really sketchy part of town, uber arrives it gets stripped in 5 minutes, which will happen. after several ubers are stripped, then they will start to restrict their locations, then people will complain because raysis ubber. somethings you need a humans ability to assess the situations

Self driving cars would have much better reaction times than humans.

Accidents would become a thing of the past.

Youre a retard if you expected to drive uber for a living

>Being in anything made by Elon Musk
What could possibly go wrong?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all in for it (I fucking hate driving, specially in this country). I just thought that one accident would slow things down for robocars.

news.com.au/technology/innovation/motoring/tesla-autopilot-driver-was-reportedly-watching-harry-potter-when-he-was-hit-and-killed/news-story/eb97718fe50bd5c95da5eaf25436b6a5

if you say so

>what is corporate sabotage?

Maybe

By the way, self-driving will simply be a luxury feature of very few cars for decades to come. It's basically just going to be a next-level cruise control.

Useless jobs have to disappear.

Just give free money to those people who slow down the economy to stay at home. We don't have to pay people to fake "working" if we don't need them.

It's a pain in the ass to deal with a fucking cashier whent you have to buy something to eat quick (nd go back to work or home) and retard people chat with them and slow down the process.

Always the same shills in these threads. Does elon need people trolling various boards to peddle his wares?

Driverless cars won't happen until the infrastructure is modified to support AI only lanes on highways, and the gigantic issue of liability is solved.

Insurance companies wouldn't dare cover anything in this regard until the law has clearly answered what happens when an AI car malfunctions, and who's fault does it fall under.

>can't be bothered bagging 30 items
>go through manned checkout
>it doesn't cost me any more

Yeah, a few caught on fire. Good thing gasoline powered cars never do that... other than ten of thousands of times per year. Idiot

>Uber seeds driverless auto to Oakland black
>???
>Phone ring
>Elon, car is rape
>no

Just curious, hear me out here. Would it be possible, if we all drove driverless cars...for our respective army's to just take our cars away to a military compound.

Like you wake up in the morning, step out the door of your apartment, and everyones car past the year 2017 is just gone.

What I'm asking is, could these high tech driverless cars be a layer of control?

I'll give it ten years before it's a standard feature even in lower-end middle class cars. Now most people don't buy new cars so it will take longer than that for full adoption.

Would you. Could you. In a car?

I found Elon, you ask him

No matter what there will always be a market for human-powered cars powered by gasoline. People enjoy driving and they'll most certainly pay a premium to do so

fuck off back to your donald trump leddit

I've been in gasoline powered cars for 20 years. They have never caught fire.

Taxis are just welfare at this point, good riddance.

They can't even access your phone since Apple fought to introduce encrypted operating systems (thank god Google supposedly followed them). Pretty sure they won't steal your car

Presumably they would be wirelessly overridable by LEO

rip taxi and truck drivers

your capitalist greedy overlords will rake in the dough while you are left unemployed

hope it was worth it

>Look at how many retards in this thread afraid of technology. If driverless cars become a reality that's an excellent thing

Yes, because it will necessitate an even larger welfare state, as advances under capitalism have historically required to make sure it remains viable.

The answer to automation is simple.

We need to import millions more uneducated third-world people.

>anyone with a different opinion from my own must have been paid to think like that. There's no way people could possibly disagree with me.

>Reminder, 10,000,000 jobs are about to get BTFO and it's going to be glorious.
Why are you cheering for people losing their jobs? Oh right, you're a leftist that wants to see everyone on welfare.

>trump spam
That's it, I'm saging every reply I make in this thread even if I am interested in your topic.

>It opens the doors to all sorts of logistical things like cheap delivery.
Also opens the door to hacking

>A huge cost for delivery is the human driver
Until a system can be made to defend the goods carried by trucks and delivery vehicles by raiders, the driver would still be needed as insurance. An potentially armed truck driver deters most looters.

Also AI will never work in places like Alaska with their ice roads.

>ten of thousands of times per year
>no sources
Not an argument

I would pay a premium for it.

Some pasty 400 lb hacker fed up with life develops botnet, slowly infects every car in US.

On the fated day, he sends the signal, full accelleration, disabled brakes.

Instant world record, non war crime body count.

This is already possible in non self driving cars.
usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2016/08/04/car-hackers-say-theyve-hijacked-jeep-brakes/88180342/

Because there is multitudes more jobs in automitive production, maintenance and services. What kind of fucking retarded question is that?

Until some asshole hacker from Russia creates A deception Virus that forces all driverless cars to collide head on with one another.

>haha you're here bro, HERE. like here! not there, not over where, HERE man. HERE. Like if you werent HERE that'd be okay, maybe even over THERE, but HERE man. Of all places you do that HERE and not THERE? HERE?

How do you know? We still need to build autonomous cars, we need to have regular maintenance for them and maintenance for the roads, not to mention we would probably need to rebuild the roads or work them in some way. The people working on these jobs don't count? If automation is total then we can talk about basic income, but at the moment it's just cars and there's still a long road ahead.

Why would AI not replace more acedemic careers?

Obligatory

>Aleppo
He's explained this time after time it was a miscommunication.
>can't name a foreign leader
He can't name his favorite foreign leader. There aren't many notable foreign leaders with libertarian ideals you know.

Shoo shoo. Get out. Scurry away.

t. Neoliberal

Found one

I enjoy driving and own a great car and sometime goes to a driving track with my bro.

But I use a driver less bus everyday or just walk to my job.

I don't think AI is good enough for that.
Driving is extremely hard(i know since i happen to have a permit) and AI are not good enough for it.

Gary mate, it's just getting sad at this point.

You're closer to a dem than a lolbertarian.

But what if I want to drive out to the mountains and explore backroads?

Driverless cars are the elimination of freedom. Only cucks like them.

No reason a self driving car could not be a closed system with no internet access, and therefore, no hacking possible. That is the current design strategy.

>accidents would become a thing of the past
Yeah, I guess computers can make the laws of physics go out the window? If it's impossible to stop in time, it's impossible whether or not you (or a computer) react as quickly as possible. If a kid steps in front of your car moving at 50mph even a computer can't just make the car stop quickly enough.

>news.com.au/technology/innovation/motoring/tesla-autopilot-driver-was-reportedly-watching-harry-potter-when-he-was-hit-and-killed/news-story/eb97718fe50bd5c95da5eaf25436b6a5

I believe that crash had more to do with a camera being unable to differentiate between the truck and and the sky. Most cars would use IR sensors as opposed to using a camera to track objects.

Nice try though.

Do you really have to ask the point of the question? Why don't you assume the same for the next paradigm shift? Surely there will be way more maintenance required for these vehicles than there currently is.

>Are you still crying about horse-shoe manufacturers losing all their jobs after the industrial revolution?
kek

I agree got no problem with having a driverless option, but I would still want the ability to drive "manually". It would be great to jump in my car blitzed out of my mind and tell it to drive me home from the bar. Would also save tens of thousands of lives annually in my country alone.

The hacking part is pretty scary however. Leaves a lot of abuse open not only from our fearless leaders, but jackasses that just want to wreck shit.

Another argument I have seen against driverless cars is how they would handle life/death situations caused by say jaywalkers. Does the robocar swerve and miss 6 drunk googles stumbling across the highway or smash you the only passenger into a pole to avoid them? How does it handle say sudden obstructions or emergency events?

shoo shoo!

We have those in every supermarket except povo Aldi. It's not any faster and if you have any more than a couple of items, there is no room to place bags.

>The technology failed, therefore it doesn't count
Don't tell me you're actually this retarded.

Literally not an argument mate.

>No reason a self driving car could not be a closed system with no internet access
Software updates, car to car communication and telemetry data are all really essential to the self driving car equation. If they can't all talk to each other or report back to base on conditions you've removed a major advantage of the system. Not being able to wirelessly update them means any software issues would need a full blown recall to fix.

They've had assisted driving features like auto-breaking, lane-drift prevention and the like for over ten years. The cheapest cars these things are found in are your faggot volvos.

forcing nazis to bake jew cakes, and vice versa?

>It's not any faster

It's way faster, I use them everydays. I also only use automaton when ever I can. Humans slow down the process.

So the main argument for driverless cars is so I could get hammered when I want?

Way worth destroying 10,000,000 jobs desu.

We had those all over Canada, they're old news.

Grocery stores have largely started removing them because of undesirables using them to easily steal or otherwise not knowing how to use them, making someone need to come over and spend the time to explain it anyway. And they never actually learn how to use it, they literally just make someone do it for them every time, so what's the point?

And for those of us who weren't trying to steal, we would just use an actual cashier because it's just faster.

Autonimation isn't just reserved to the driving of the car.

>I would always trust a software more than human.
Do you not have computers in Italy?

Yes
That's why I trust them way more than people

If you aren't a Luddite, you aren't paying attention.

>Driverless cars and 10,000,000 USA jobs getting fucked is as big of a deal as a presidential election.

Won't happen in my state. They already told Uber to go fuck themselves to protect Taxi union. Pretty fucked up actually if you believe in the free market but the liberals and conservatives here have a hard on for protecting jobs so I try not to hate.

How would all electric cars have more maintenance than current cars? Have a look at Elons new Tesla plant, it's nearly all autonomous.

>miss 6 drunk googles stumbling across the highway or smash you
Or, Does it prefer to smash people who wrongthink? The car knows who's in it.

lol hey guys let's import lots of uneducated i mean hardworking immigrants to bolster our economy by taking menial jobs while we automate menial jobs

Really? They have only gotten more popular in the states. I went to a Walmart market place when I was in Nashville and they had zero Cashiers. Just automated cashiers with one guy who made sure you didn't steal.

Depends on if they let David Duke program them I guess.

I agree with all that. That's part of the reason we would have to build new roads so we would still have roads for the old cars and roads specifically designed for the new ones. I guess one of the ways to fix the jaywalker issue would be to 1) Build roads where this is almost impossible to happen 2) It's the jaywalkers fault so you just run him over

Those self serve things at McDonalds aren't really any faster either, you still end up waiting in line for your order.
Maybe your 3rd world supermarket employees are slow as shit, but ours are generally much faster at bagging and finding non-barcoded items.
I don't understand why you socialist faggots would rather do somebody else's job yourself. They arent passing the savings on to the customer.

Elimination of shit jobs due to automation is a great thing. It's why I support minimum wage hikes and deportation of cheap labor.

At some point when technology gets advanced enough, robot labor will be taxed and distributed under a guaranteed minimum income program, so there is no need to worry about economic ruin.

Just give it a couple more years. For once, this is something that the US is behind on.

Now on the other hand, something that actually does work is ordering food (say at McDonald's) using one of the touch screens. Actually, I think it's superior to a human cashier, because as long you input it correctly, your order is a lot less likely to get fucked up. 90% of the time when your food isn't how you ordered it, it's because the cashier didn't want to bother figuring out how to put "no pickles, extra onions, add mustard" into the cash register.

>something that actually does work is ordering food (say at McDonald's) using one of the touch screens

Haven't had a chance to use one of these yet but I've heard nothing but good things. The McDonalds near me is all Asians so it's actually very proficient but the one near my work is Illegal beaners and they fuck up orders every damn time. Would love for them to be replaced by machines, it's not even personal but I'm just tired of having to go in and return a coke when I ordered a tea kek.

Here it's working great. Dumb or old people just use cashier.

It's way faster than a human cashier and they can put way more of those machines than humans cashier.

In my supermarket there's 14 of those self checking cashier, always on. When people waste their time waiting behind some retard who clog a useless human cashier, with chitchat or searching their purse or waiting the cashier to scan every items and ask for money before starting bagging.

because it was the donkeys and horses that lost jobs, not people

We have those in walmart, it's called self checkout.

Only downside is when it keeps telling you to put item in the bagging area when you already have.

Bear in mind that the thing that is preventing driverless vehicles from becoming a thing already is the ethical side of it, not the technological aspect.

Someone has to program the machine who it would rather hit in an unavoidable collision.

>mfw the autistic virgins in tech end up destroying capitalist society with this automation shit

>mfw

This was always the end state for capitalism

not communism

but evolution into a completely new order

It handles them the same way you are legally supposed to: It tries to brake, and if that doesn't work it mows them down. Just as you are not responsible for risking your own life to save the lives of people who play with traffic, so to does the car not risk it's driver's life.

>s always you. Fucking Elon musk, ball gargling-amber
youtube.com/watch?v=UO0hkm1Rse8

Please don't join a conversation about the future of academia in relation to job placement if you can't spell academic.

Yeah, this way the political elite can just drive all you fags off the nearest cliff at will.

What happened to the Governator, anyway? Did he lose, or retire?

seriously, where the fuck is the train going to go? it's on tracks just go or stop. a computer could easily replace a train conductor

Good. Fuck smelly taxi drivers and fuck truck drivers as well. If they havent seen the weiting on the wall they fucking deserve it.

They removed them from my local store (HEB)

It may be because I live in a sort of shitty area.

nobody i know likes the self checkout at our heb

you always have to get assistance from the person working anyways

If you're a fucking useless retarded shit cunt. Ive never had that problem once. But i also hate people so not having to be fake polite to some checkout cunt is good for spergs like me

>driverless cars

uhhhhhhh whats the dealio; isn't the whole point of driving to drive not be driven?

>a generation of miss daisies

B-but in don't have to worry cuz m-m-muh STEM degree.
>doesn't realize that mass unemployment fucks over the entire economy, leading to lower wages for everyone.

Some stuff like alcohol and razors needs to be approved. If I have a few things like that I will use the normal cashier instead of waiting for the person to come over several times to approve stuff.

blacks love stealing from stores that have these LOL and the security guard is too scared to do anything. they steal in huge packs.

it's called totalitarian.

Great a job killer and a road hazard.

I hope my death is worth it anons, cant wait till Im on the news and these things get fucking banned because of it.

It blows my mind that this hasn't been a thing for decades.

Yup. I like to drive. It might be mundane but I cannot relax if I'm in a passenger seat of a car. Maybe after a night of heavy drinking, which I assume many would advocate for to reduce drunk driving deaths, but when I'm sober, I want to drive.

This honestly has me terrified, truck driving is all I know how to do. What the fuck happens to guys like me.

He finished his second term.

>your robocar will never get drunk, asleep, feel sick, have emotions that may influence the driving and so on

You know how often people have to take their car to the shop because some little mechanical thing stopped working? My power steering died twice this year. The battery dies, lights stop working, list goes on.
The little things that dies all of a sudden in an autonomous car could be the thing preventing immediate death for many people.

A car only goes where the roads go. Who builds the roads? The state. What are you going to see, anyway. It's Walmarts all the way from Jersey to Oregon.

I dont usually argue for communisim, and I dont think it could be done with the current leadership or even the current attitude towards leadership. But wouldn't full and total automation actually make something like communism possible? Given that all we would really have to do is maintain the machines and dick around.

You get reeducated into some other job where you'll have to start over as a clueless newbie, because you're just an organic component of the technological system and any delusions of personhood or individual self-worth you might have are irrelevant.

It's great until there is an electrical problem or programming malfunction.

or until you can go anywhere because you can't afford the required monthly update

I literally started truck driving in august. Back home the only decent jobs around were generic warehouse or physically-disabled-by-40 tire building factory.

Well I guess the plan now is save everything I make until I get replaced then NEET it up

Basically become what is known as a "mechanical turk". You will offer human input into a service like telling programmers how to often to maintain a truck and check for defects that machines can't, until one day a machine with a powerful enough AI takes that job as well.

Love when the leaf says things that are in use don't exist!

Industrialization was a mistake.

gay porn.

There is still a lot you can do with a CDL. Operation heavy equipment would probably be the best switch.

Jerry Brown is a communist. I am surprised that people think computers that malfunction at random moments are safer than a driver who at the very least hear the sound of his car rolling off the high way. The answer is to teach people to be better drivers. Also, trains are better than busses that take up space on the road and attract niggers.

Sure. At which point you end up making exactly as much as Tyrone and living in the same places, because you are both equally useless. Meanwhile a tiny number of Jews, Asians, and Teutonics with 160+ IQs are working on the latest enhancements to the systems, from their corporate compounds in Mountain View, SF, Seattle, and NYC. The future is Player Piano. Possibly with a dash of Oryx and Crake, when the Chinese finally perfect the genome-editing the west is too pussy to pursue.

Humans are great, until they have to sleep 1/3 of the day, or their heart gives out. And can you believe you have to feed these things every single day? They fart and shit constantly. It's disgusting. I provide my meat machines with Right Guard, but it's like sprinkling potpourri on a swamp.

no company will willingly make a car that will kill its owner in ANY situation, ESPECIALLY when someone else is breaking the law. that company would be sued into oblivion

I feel like the flood of CDL holders trying to jump into those occupations will make it difficult to get hired.

>Legalized weed / alcohol + internet porn + tv sport + basic income

what is all this faggotry?

muh basic income, you libtard commies never give up

Also the flood of AI researchers automating those jobs out of existence as soon as they're done with cars.

>what is all this faggotry?
>muh basic income, you libtard commies never give
go to europe and be a legal man hoe.

This a about as pointless and gay as banning pennies. It's a liberals attempt at ignoring problems that would be solved solved by not being liberal. "But muh communism is fur yur safe tea".

It's been a disaster for the human race.

>Industrialization was a mistake.

Bump

it's so all men will end up gay.

>California Gov. Jerry Brown on Thursday signed a bill that for the first time allows testing on public roads of self-driving vehicles with no steering wheels, brake pedals or accelerators. A human driver as backup is not required, but the vehicles will be limited to speeds of less than 35 mph.

>The legislation applies only to a pilot project by the Contra Costa Transportation Authority at an autonomous-vehicle testing facility at the former Concord Naval Weapons Station, and at a San Ramon business park containing public roads.

aka google's golf carts, not actual cars (which require insurance) in revenue service (which require more insurance)

>Reminder, 10,000,000 jobs are about to get BTFO and it's going to be glorious.

No, because the taxi industry competes more against mass transit than it does "autocars", which even if they existed would remain slow due to existing traffic congestion. This is exactly why Brown is plowing $70 billion into CAHSR, and why LA is plowing $100 billion into light rail

Brown is better than Newsom. I'm registered Democrat just to vote for Antonio Villaraigosa.

If you think human beings deserve to be treated as a useless machine then please be my guest and commit sudoku in a junk yard you communist piece of trash.

If you think this will stop self driving cars you are fucking retarded

Letting a car drive for you is like cuckoldry

>If you think human beings deserve to be treated as a useless machine
They already are.

soon (3 years)

Agreed

>it would be a smart move to ban private automobiles
t. cuck who has never been out of a city in his life

>3 years
I thought the most recent projections were saying mid 2020s at this point

>"things will nearly have no value being made automatically at no cost by robots"

Soap dodger doesn't realize that today's "luxuries" will be tomorrow's necessities.

Fuck off. It's way fucking faster. Maybe you are underaged or some country bogan or NEET. But before these shopping at peak times was fucked.

the grocery stores by me just eliminated them and replaced them with people because turns out everyone is a fucking moron and couldn't handle them

Caltrain has already put in power transformers and will begin electrification next year. Revenue service is projected to begin in 2019 or 2020. CAHSR is a related, but different, project. SF-Bakersfield runs will likely happen by 2021 and SF-LA runs by 2025.

On a side note, Caltrain will likely repair the Dumbarton rail bridge around 2020 to allow for transbay service. ACE will obtain all of Caltrain's older rolling stock to double up on their Stockton-SJ runs, and add a second spoke from Stockton to Fresno.

Meanwhile, BART will continue to be total fucking shit.

>banning pennies
all they really need to do is stop with the copper

>I don't need it
>Let's ban it
Leftist

The only problem I have with self driving vehicles is how it can be coded to make decisions like when there's about to be an accident. For example, if you're about to hit a school bus and there's two options, move out of the way thus killing the "driver" or hit the bus and risk killing the people on the bus which option does the AI choose? If it chooses the option to save as many lives as possible by sacrificing yours then why would anyone ever step foot in a self driving car? If it chooses to save your life instead of everyone else's then is the manufacturer of the car responsible for everyone else's deaths? This is the reason I'm against self driving cars.

The end goal is to banish all currency so negative interests rates can be enacted.

>why would anyone ever step foot in a self driving car?
Because the (((insurance))) on a real car will be prhibitively expensive.

Honestly I'd rather pay the insurance than have a car that might CHOOSE to kill me in the event of an accident.

Most people won't be able to afford to do that, especially as robots progressively steal all the jobs and put more and more people irretrievably out of work.

The goal of an economy is to produce more wealth (giving people a more enjoyable lifestyle in general) using less man hours and resources. If 10,000,000 jobs are lost, there will likely be a greater boost elsewhere because companies will be able to produce much more.

For example: As an electrician, a lot of my job is driving to pic up supplies. This is wasted time because I am not actually making the company money by doing so. If that element of my job is removed, I will be able to spend all the time on job sites and take on more jobs, and those jobs will be cheaper.

>implying the "boost" in employment won't occur in an automated field

This would be *way* easier than roads too. But then again, have you ever been on an Amtrak train? Fuckers break down all the time.

I'd like to point out the simple dilemma of insuring a self driving car.

When there is an accident with conventional vehicles, the causes are examined and blame is usually given to one party or the other.

In the case of self driving cars, the driver is removed as a cause from the accident. You can blame the car to an extent, but you cannot fine it. You cannot charge it with dangerous driving. So then the case goes the software of respective designers of said cars. Why did their car perform the way it did? Will the manufacturer be held liable for the damages? If so, how could such an entity exist, even if the accident rates are reduced significantly. Every lawsuit would be debilitating.

So you'll be doing more work for, at best, the same amount of pay, and your company won't need to hire as many electricians, so several people will be out of work entirely. How does this benefit you or anyone in your tax bracket?

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nice try, merkel

why would there even be a school bus in a road of self driving cars?

Not everyone owns a car dude.

Driverless car AI's are fairly complex. There are shitloads of edge cases that are difficult to program.

For example: kid's soccerball rolls out into street, humans generally look around for the kid heading into the street, car AI may not be aware of that particular cirumstance.

Point is, AI's are probably better drivers than humans when the situation is fairly normal. Humans are very good when things get all cocked up.

This is not a new idea, although it does surprise a lot of people when you bring it up because for whatever reason it's not the first thing people think of when they think about the potential problems involving self driving cars.

My question, and I'm being serious- what about ejector seats? Sorry if I sound retarded, but that seems like a potential life saving last ditch effort that should be explored.

I realize there's instantly a ton of other problems that could potentially result if something goes wrong with those too, but I think everyone living to see another day is worth the possible inconvenience of having to stand up and walk 20 feet back to your self driving car.

actually, you are. Pedestrians always have the right of way. You are criminally liable if you do not make a reasonable effort to avoid killing them.

Quints ftw!

You are stunning and brave

>be a school bus in a road of self
why wouldnt it be a self driving school bus?

That's fucking gay. Roads are for motor vehicles. If you're in the road and you aren't a motor vehicle and you get creamed by one, that's too fucking bad. Roads are inherently dangerous and accidents happen.

Well already we do hold the manufacturer responsible for other potentially dangerous or fatal defects in cars that are outside of the operator's control (e.g. the big GM recall where the breaks stopped working on many models and caused fatal crashes) and there are recalls all the time- I don't see why this would be any different.

Implying I would ever get in a car that wasnt programmed by David Duke

>inherently dangerous and
~but you have to make it safe to cross a fucking road burgerboy

If I throw a baby doll in front of a driverless car will it swerve and crash killing the occupants?

This is the tech stuff I'm most looking forward to. Imagine a future where you pay a small fee for unlimited travel. You can be anywhere and open an app and ask for a car and the nearest available will come to your service, like Uber only more cost efficient and cheaper and also quicker once companies starts competing with each other in arrival times.

Soon enough networks will be spread across continents. One monthly fee in US takes you all across the US. One monthly fee in Europe takes you all across Europe. A two hour travel will be like visiting the local store because you're watching a movie and then you're there.

Can't wait.

Only one way to find out.

That task is typically achieved with a car in America

>swerve and crash
It would be going too fast if its options are 'swerve and crash' or 'run thing over'.

If your job can be replaced by a robot, you've wasted your life.

With computer reaction times, the speed of driverless cars will be limited only be the g-force tolerances of the passengers.

We prefer the motorized "mobility" scooter for crossing roads.

Who is liable when a driverless car gets into an accident? What if it's the driverless car's fault?

Literally all jobs, including """jobs""" like "artist" and "music composer", can be replaced by sufficiently advanced robots.

what are crosswalks

Try it, meatbag.

>user makes the news for jumping in front of AI cars
>cars all applied brakes in under .0025 seconds
>user goes to jail

im aware of that my convict brother. but i just strive for a world where we dont just invade sandy countries and hoot like gibbons like the fucking yanks.

unfortunatly they are the epitomy of western world and they drive the standard.

fuck em.

>Reminder, 10,000,000 jobs are about to get BTFO
We have 10 million professional drivers in America?

What a stupid fucking job.

The owner presumably?

Come to Detroit, rent a car, pretend to be autonomous, and find yourself in the ghetto, stopped by a jaywalking black who's just figured out that your name is Reginald Denny.
Driverless cars are a death sentence, and not because of crashing.

And what if the owner of the car is an entire company like Google or Amazon? Good luck suing them for injury and other damages you suffer.

the world wasnt made for cars, it has and is made for humans, that walk, with their legs.
one day....when you get out of that drive thru, you might notice.

Why would the passenger get in trouble? Did he jailbreak his car so he could run Linux on it?

We are also the testing ground for climate change laws.

Commiefornia is pretty much ground zero for NWO shit. People are already renting more than owning. We already have infrastructure that charges you for using certain freeway lanes, it's a small step to make it so non-driverless cars will be taxed. And let's not forget about our cucked gun laws.

Oh yeah, just wait for the government to lock the doors and take everyone in their driverless cars right to the gulag

Keyword being "was". Unfortunately, mass adoption of motorized transport has dramatically altered our landscape and made it inhospitable to pedestrians. Nothing can or will be done to fix this until we hit peak everything and the industrial-technological system chokes and dies.

>ejector seats

Unlikely. They would have to be so powerful, in order to get sufficient altitude for a parachute to be useful that you would be sitting on a high powered explosive all the time.

>>Other self-driving car wirelessly communicates to your car that it is carrying 3 people
This should never happen, wireless communication means wireless hacking.

How do you think all that food and merchandise and building supplies gets to the stores and jobsites?

Nigger, its not fucking magic. Its a veritable army of dudes driving trucks. Have you ever been on the highway?

they would just make it so there's cameras like cctv on it and you'd need a special government issued card, like an extra secure buscard to get in the taxi.

like say, you need to go the DMV, present photo id and a passport or something, and they give you a card which will open the taxi door by scanning, with onboard cctv recording the inside and out, sensors for damage with someone monitering like they do in the cctv in the uk, so the cops can be there quick

plus add stiff penalites for using someone elses card (they'll have a clear picture of your face to help find you)

I mean seriously we can't let hoodniggers stop technological process, which unlike OP i see as a great thing.

10 million lost jobs will be bad in the short term, but that means you have 10 million workers who can devote their time to more specialized work

plus the reduced costs of operating a taxi service or trucking long haul or etc etc, will drive down prices making things cheaper

people will stop needing to pay vehicle insurance leaving them with more cash. the insurance jews will get cucked out of business, but they will find somewhere else to work eventually

I really cannot see how more effeciency could be bad for the economy unless the state was anarcho capitalist or some shit

more effeciency would IMPROVE the welfare state

imagine if robots could for a tiny cost build houses, grow food, transport people, etc. everything would be far cheaper

>landscape and

your landscape sunshine.

but yeah ill give you a burger

>Car accidents aren't that much of a problem here
>Italy
lol

yeah, fucking trains have schedules and tracks. Why the fuck aren't they fully automated?

>Go into dunkin donuts this morning
>all I want is a donut and a bottle of OJ
>4 people ahead of me
>cashier keeps leaving the register to prepare drinks
>stand in line for 15 fucking minutes
>for 1 donut and a bottle of OJ

Human laborers are shit.

Because a robot cant kick a faggot in the head

>The candidates for president don't know what Aleppo is and can't name a foreign leader except for the fact they memorize it off note cards.
Oh Hillary knows what Aleppo is. She helped blow it to shit.

>all I want is a donut and a bottle

nhom nhom nhom nhom nhom nhom

burger burger burger

>but that means you have 10 million workers who can devote their time to burdening themselves with student loan debt so that they can drive down wages for more specialized work that won't magically have 10M more job openings

I'd just lead a revolt against the (((insurance companies))) and have a parade of man-driven, uninsured cars

$$$$$$

Most of the trains don't even have the 'oh shit nigga slow down' thing called Positive Train Control.

What about the cost of R&D, production, transport and maintenance of the robots? Robots arent fucking magic.

Yeah but think of the profits.

A company can totally be sued if their product causes damage/injury.

Give me one reason why the government should make all human steered cars illegal for reasons other than tradition.

Protip: you can't

>Honestly I'd rather pay the insurance than have a car that might CHOOSE to kill me in the event of an accident.

Why do you CHOOSE to keep repeating this mythical scenario that will never happen because any company that programs it's car to kill the passengers in ANY situation will get sued into annihilation?

>Open source software on self driving cars
>users can now customize how their cars will handle future accidents
>mfw you can change the settings to run over niggers in your way
Holy shit it would be glorious

My sides and sadness... gone.

I guess I was just surprised it was 10,000,000

They can hack cars that aren't driverless.

niggers will jump infront of these cars to get insurance.

ITS HAPPENING!!!!!!

I'm pretty sure idiot conductors and train accident cost more than a computer that drives a train on a track.

ted had a real nice head of hair

I wonder who could be behind this post.

The you've seen through the lie.

They're not importing them for jobs, they're importing them because they'll need a continuing flow of new voters once they've alienated everybody else.

Because its not the governments job to decide whats right for the people. Plus, this "Robutz take our Jerbz" meme is stupid as shit. In mass production, yes, robots rule. In every other capacity they fucking suck and will never replace humans.

Heres a thought. One big solar flare. Bam, entire fucking workforce gone. All transport stops.

Captcha: find cars. Fuck you Robutz!

this is why i decided to stop driving entirely

i only ride my bike now

Trains are driverless, though, machinists take control only in rare ocassions. The metros especially are almost 100% autonomous.

But we currently have ejector seats in every military jet, aren't they also sitting on high powered explosives all the time? What makes them safer? Or are they not, it's just the fact that when you join the military you basically resign yourself to the possibility of random death at any moment?

In which case I'd suggest that getting in any car, self driving or otherwise is also equally subjecting yourself to the possibility of death at any moment.

...

dont work in california you fucking wagecuck

>machinists
>driving trains

Ejector seats in planes make sense because they just have to push you out of the plane because you're already high enough off the ground for a parachute to work.
An ejector seat in a car would have to fucking rocket you several hundred feet into the air before you could land safely.

>Because its not the governments job to decide whats right for the people
It doesn't just affect individuals, the efficiency and safety on the roadways is a chief concern of government.

Still, I would suggest that reducing the distance the average person needs to travel is more useful than automating travel.

>solar flare
we're fucked in that situation regardless

It's just short sightedness, it's difficult to invest money in anything that won't increase revenues in the next couple quarters.

You do know that people write the software for this right?

Jesus, is that why we have 1960's train technology in America?

In my state we're getting a new train line and people are excited about the "new bullet train" they are building. Then I break the news that it's a fucking diesel passenger train with a top speed of 80 mph. Then everyone wants to just drive instead.

Fuck my governor. He's an asshole.

I think having a chute open at anything less than 700 feet results in injuries up to and including death.

kill yourself

You're a fucking idiot.

I'm sorry, but this is the word for a train driver in my country. Maшиниcт. I know in english it means a machine operator, but we have different terms depending on what machine he's operating. A lathe operator is a cтpyгap, a milling machine operator is a фpeзиcт. And I'm pretty sure that's the case all over Europe.

Im not seeing the problem.

Rocket blast a young mother and child out of a vehicle that was traveling 40-60mph, send them 100s of feet into air to land safely in the 6 lane highway and back onto the fiery wreck they caused were trying to escape.

Yes it's also the reason for this. infrastructurereportcard.org/

No where near enough money is put into fixing or replacing things before they break, instead they just pass the buck down the line hoping it breaks on someone else's watch.

>My question, and I'm being serious- what about ejector seats?
You're a fucking idiot too.

Jesus, is this place full of meth heads?

What state

software does what it's told to do.
people only do that sometimes.

We call them engineers here in Freedomtown.

Yes this is going to happen. Shitload of trucking jobs will go in a couple years I bet. There is so much of a push towards AI, and with good reason. People love it very convenient, and it will line the pockets of investors with money. AI trucker who can run 24/7 with no risk of crashing or mistakes for free is better than human trucker.

Point taken. Hey, that's why I posed the question in the first place.

The unfortunate reality is that someone, someday, will rent a bunch of robocars, load them with fertilizer, and make driverless car bombs.

I don't want to be forced to ride in an automatic car that smells like farts, hooker queefs, PCP smoke, bleachy cum, blood, rotten bodies, more blood and rank ass body odor.

I'll buy my own auto car.

What do you call EDM machinists?

Gotta say this will be pretty awesome once this happens. I hope. I'm sure it could get real Orwellian or annoying

No, you don't, a machine operator is not an engineer. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machinist
An engineer is a person who creates things and makes paper or digital plans for their creation, including testing their work, strength, etc.

On the bright side imagine the sweet 'fatalities' that could be pulled off by people getting ejected while going through tunnels or bridges.

This is actually a very interesting point. We have illegal immigrants and third world people coming in, many of which will only be able to perform minimum wage jobs. While at the same time rate of automation going way up, cost going way down. Seems the only thing most of them will be capable of is taking our welfare.

That kind of acceleration would probably kill more people than it saved. Children especially couldn't handle those kind of g-forces.

Not to mention there's overhead trees, signs, overpasses, etc. all over the place.

I meant a person who drives a train is called an engineer.

Or powerlines.

Reminds me of that old joke about ejector seats on helicopters

What's unfortunate about it? It's the future we chose.

You can already do this with a radio controlled car you could pick up on amazon or any toy store. Or probably more effectively with some kind of a drone that I'm not aware of.

The only difference being that an automobile could hold larger quantities of explosive making it more dangerous, in which case you could combat that by making some kind of body heat/pressure sensors needing to be active in order for the car to move.

We call the people who run trains engineers because in the era of the steam train the guy running the train was actually an engineer by training.

only a fucking brazilian commy faggot who doesnt understand how much things cost would even think its feasible to have two entirely separate road networks.

this is why your country is a shit hole

oпepaтop нa eлeктpoepoзийнa мaшинa
translated as
operator of electroerosion machine

Obviously we don't have terms for all the operator jobs, but for the ones we can, we have.
шлocep - a person who does metalworking through the use of simple tools, or hand tools
зaвapчик - a welder
etc

Oh, that makes even less sense to me, but oh well, that's English for you.

That said, it is possible to eject from fairly low altitudes.

youtube.com/watch?v=mBlNfFcV6ns

It's more effective to just run people over with a semi-truck anyways.