Do you think it is okay to force the american people to work by threat of homelessness and starvation?
Then, why do you support capitalism?
How is this any different than a work camp in the soviet union, except i guess you get to choose your work camp in capitalism. But you do you have to choose one or another.
There has to be a better way.
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No there is no other way. It literally is how life works. If you want to survive then you work. The people who work harder and better are rewarded for it. The people who don't do shit don't get shit. It's fair.
Very true.
This documentary proves it
>Do you think it is okay to force the american people to work by threat of homelessness and starvation?
I know this is a bait thread but do you think it's okay nature's laws dictate these parameters to our existence?
Nobody forces you to work. Force means there's no choice. You choose to either work or be homeless, like you used to choose to hunt or starve. Noone is forcing anything you can go choose to be homeless and starve for all anyone cares
>waaaaaah choices have consequences
There is no better way except to make the labor of every individual as rewarding as possible.
How many people do you think would win the lottery and then go right back to cleaning out sewage pipes out of the goodness of the heart? I think the majority would tell their boss to fuck off and live like a king.
Most communist countries found that people will not work out of the goodness of their hearts, and they solved this motivation problem with guns and gulags. Even socialist Venezuela is now issuing forced labor.
I'm sorry. If you want to help the poor, give from your excess. But these utopian dreams don't work. Capitalism is the best system we have because it rewards the greed of individuals with atleast benefiting society in some way, most of the time.
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lol sage
Homelessness and starvation is the consequence of being an unproductive slob. If you are not creating anything of value, why should society care for you?
Pull your own weight you fucking bum.
It's not that simple. A lot of hardworking people don't get shit, and a lot of people not doing shit are rewarded with obscene decadence.
That being said, I'm just playing devil's advocate and communism is a proven failure. Its ideal classless society sounds great (to some of us anyway) but no matter what, humanity never seems to go there.
the State should strive for people to never be homeless, even if that is against their will, it's rational (as they do not offer labor to the market) to force them to do something, but also it's more humane than letting them rot in the street considering how apathetic people are nowadays
hell, even Hitler had decent policies for them, but yeah, edgy 20-something in Cred Forums with little education will think otherwise and still believe in Capitalism
No economic system in the history of the world has ever delivered a comfortable life to anyone without some exertion or labor in return. This was the case long before anyone ever heard the term "capitalism", and it'll be the case long after. In fact, it's clear that we're working less hard for more comfort than we ever have in the history of the world, relatively speaking--at least in westernized, capitalist countries.
And this is coming from a lefty, if that tells you anything.
The mistake most conservatives make is assuming that the benefits of capitalism arise from letting capitalists do whatever they want to, free of constraints...AKA the magic hand of the "free market". In fact, historically capitalism's full benefit to both the upper and middle classes wasn't felt until the governments interceded to curb the excesses (like monopolies, trusts, etc).
Every benefit you can name that comes from capitalism is because of competition. And competition only thrives in a relatively-even, fair playing field--which requires a governing body to make sure everyone plays nice.
>Do you think it is okay to force the american people to work by threat of homelessness and starvation?
Yeah, that's the way things go in nature.
Reminder 62 people own half of the world wealth and if you support them manipulating the economy for their own ends while you are doomed to be a wagecuck working for scraps for the rest of your life, you are a cuckold
A better way than the individual determining their own destiny?
Great op, I am quitting my job tomorrow and you can pay all my bills.
Thanks sucker
>Do you think it is okay to force the american people to work by threat of homelessness and starvation?
Yes.
I dunno, I kinda just think it's better than this.
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Maybe communism is a more efficient allocation of resources, the soviets confiscated every last bit of grain they could and created a world super power! It only cost 10's of MILLIONS of lives but they became a super power!!! Praise communism!!!!!
Who is forcing you to eat and seek shelter? Society? the government? your boss?
nope, it's your own biology, and the nature of your own existence...
Do you think it is okay to force other Americans to work for your housing and food, under the point of a gun? If you do, fuck off commie scum!
you can buy some cheap land in the woods in the middle of nowhere, chop some wood, build a home, and grow/hunt your own food... You don't have to work for anybody else, but "roughing it", isn't easy either. You just won't have anyone else to blame when you fail...
Thats how the world is. Everyone is homeless and starving by default, and only though collective effort can a civilization be built.
>Its ideal classless society sounds great (to some of us anyway)
This is the part I never got, it doesn't sound great. Not even vaguely. It essentially means that no amount of effort is rewarded. A classless society would be an incredibly futile one.
How do you think prehistory worked? Do you think people just sat around doing nothing and were fine? Work is innate to existence, by definition. You can't produce food without it. We don't get manna from heaven.
Effort is rewarded, just not in a material way. You get to feel warm and fuzzy inside, proud to do your part for the collective. Maybe have your comrade commissar put a medal on you if it was really a very big deal.
Ask an undocumented 25year old living i the US anything.
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Apparently not enough citizens share your vision user. This is why guns and gulags were necessary to solve the motivation problem.
There's no option.
I wish we could all live without working, but the truth is that for most people if there's no danger of starvation or homelessness they'll not work.
Why? Won't you end up with classes of differing level of contribution?
Yeah I guess humanity is just not the kind of species for workers paradise. Too individualistic. Maybe there are very successfully anarcho-communist aliens out there somewhere.
They're speaking about communism, the regime with guns is socialism
The way Marx saw classes is not based on income.
If there were no material reward for greater contributions, no class separation would exist. Even with a shirt that is virtually armoured by having so many pins and medals, you would still just be another worker in the hive, perhaps seen as a "hero of communist labour" by your fellow drones for your exploits.
Maybe with the advent of genetic engineering humans could change enough. Maybe.
When a nanny state is set up though, most people will just not clean out toilets everyday for the good of the colony. They'll do nothing but mooch.
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The great thing about living communally, instead of in our own individual properties, is that your peers are right there with you. Makes it much harder to be lazy!
>Do you think it is okay to force the american people to work by threat of homelessness and starvation?
Yes