Why is the american right incapable of getting on board with the left about universal free healthcare...

Why is the american right incapable of getting on board with the left about universal free healthcare? What the fuck is wrong with you? Do you really not wish that your healthcare didn't cost you anything? Do you really think everything in this country should be able to be capitalized on?

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"free"

The obvious answer is that it'll disproportionately help niggers and the Right have a crabs-in-a-bucket mentality.

You're an idiot, the right proposed uni healthcare first. Then they realized it would never fucking work.

Implying blacks and Jews deserve to live.

Universal healthcare will be a complete disaster in America. First off, we're too unhealthy and fat so the costs are inherently higher here. Secondly, our government is horribly inefficient (moreso than usual) and is full of bureaucracy and corruption (see the VA). And finally, there simply are not enough net taxpayers in the country. The US federal government gets the vast majority of its revenue from income tax which roughly half of the country does not pay. A universal healthcare system would costs trillions and require a massive tax hike on everyone to pay for. The negative consequences of this would cripple our economy; possibly to the point of another recession.

It doesn't work fucko. You can't have 12 aircraft carriers with full airwings, give Israel $38 billion dollars (the jews have free healthcare there of course), and take care of your own.

What you don't realize is that if Trump implemented his non-intervention policies, we'd have money to take care of our own and that might be a reality.

Why are we funding 272 bases around the world to police Africa, the mideast, Europe, etc..? The biggest consumer of oil is the fucking military.

You stop the interventionist Jew wars and you might have money for such things, that's what you don't realize.

>doesn't cost anything

Wtf is wrong with you? Nothing is free. Where do you think the govt gets the money for these programs. From out taxes, dumbass. Countries with free Healthcare have tax rates double ours. But you're probably unemployed anyway. . Take take take.

>we're too unhealthy and fat so the costs are inherently higher here
It COULD work here, it works in the UK. If we kicked out the illegals and stopped the Jew wars all over the world, we could make it work, we are the wealthiest nation in history.

for fuck sake, the army just "lost track" of 3 trillion dollars (that's not a typo) and it's not even a story.

Even if you hate Trump, you stop the Jew interventionist wars, you will have money for these things.
Shillary is the biggest neo-con hawk you'll ever see, even moreso to prove that she is a woman and "tough." Will be wars in Syria, Iran, Ukraine.
fucking nation will be bankrupted.

you don't even need these "true conservative" (TM) and libertarian arguments anymore. You kick out the illegals, stop the Jew wars, you have money for these things.
Why do you think there is free medical in UK and Germany (at least for now) and not here? It's not hard to spot what's different, other than more spics.

Even that wouldn't be enough. Universal healthcare is doable in countries that are homogeneous. Huge segments of our population are inherently a drain on our society and thus cannot be net taxpayers. This cripples the ability to get sufficient revenue for such a massive program.

bullshit. this is the wealthiest nation in history of world. If you got rid of the illegals, stopped the Jew wars and world policing, the money is more than there, even adding in the niggers and legal spics.

Are you going to genocide all the legal hispanics and blacks as well? Just take a look at the UK. Their NHS is struggling right now and they are ~87% white. Also keep in mind that our doctors are paid way more than any other country.

i don't like to wait in queues

"free" healthcare? AHAHAHAHAHA

if you mean heavy socialism - that only works in a homogeneous society with closed borders.

>Large Entitlements and gibsmedats
>Open Borders with the 3rd world
pick one OP

The right probably would be on board, right after we get back to enforcing the constitution, busting up the corrupt federal bureaucracy, dismantling financial/insurance cartels, and keeping government and insurance out of peoples' medical decisions.

It's never free, it's taxpayer subsidized. For basic care, that's a good thing in the idealistic vacuum that is so common with many leftists.

When you have privately owned businesses alongside a government that is obligated to pay for peoples' healthcare, you incentivize the creation of a cartel that sucks at the federal teat. This is exactly what has happened in the USA. The social security and medicare budget problem wouldn't be an issue if it were not for the insurance cartel that keeps prices so high.

Don't even get me started on Obamacare where people are being forced to do business with these cartels.

>gibmedats

Me and my dad just lost our shit over this.

The left had a chance to pass it during the whole Obama care thing but didn't because the health insurance companies wouldn't let them. So really who are the corporate whores now?

"What the fuck is wrong with you guys? Don't you want free shit and to hell with the consequences?"

Liberals need to be put in camps.

Why the fuck would I want to pay more taxes to keep poor niggers alive?

Who fucking cares who pays for it? It's FREE!!!!

>free

It's not that we are "incapable"

We don't feel we should be forced under gunpoint to pay for other strangers health care. I wake up at 6 at get home at 6 every weekday to put food on my table, enjoy leisure and save for retirement

Every dollar I pay in taxes is more time I have to work to save for retirement or anything else.

Disregarding the fact that most adults in poverty got their as a result of bad decisions and would never help me voluntarily.

It is almost impossible to go through life without medical care. You will pay for it one way or another. Not a leftist by the way.

>free healthcare
Are you mentally deficient?

why do you maintain a lazy way of life of ppl who life on the streets, they are young, they are healthy, or some drug addict, but they can stop taking drugs and work and havea decent life,why do you maintain the lifestyle of so manu niggers and lazy white boys while yo blame other minoritys for your lack of social responsabilitys.

thats how it is, when you dont have to pay for the health of ppl who dont even have money to eat food to be alive, now thats fucked up, thats the american dream.

Simply because R&D/education for health care professionals is expensive, when you subsidize the population progress is hindered and there's no one willing to go into the field. Also, we're 20 tril in debt with other expenditures...

There all that shit but its only for illegals and niggers, also we've been providing Europe its military since the cold war.

Not having to spend as much on defense as us really frees up your budget for all your neat social programs you're wasting on hajis right now.

Fucking hate you high hirse Europeans

You could cut the Us defense budget and let the fucking Euros take a turn actually doing something other than bitching.
Look at the F-22, f-35 programs, etc... I know, "I work, I pay muh taxes..." get hit by an illegal, uninsured spic going wrong way on a highway and have to spend 2 months in hospital and see how much your insurance counts.

you are ruined for life. Another civil war is coming to the US, after the chips fall where they will, things will align differently and the jews and others will learn the hard way, bc they won't learn any other.

>implying that Health insurance companies are involved in the R&D process

I am against it simply because I have zero reason to believe the United States federal government could pull it off in an efficient and acceptable manner.

because health insurance isn't based off the price of what you pay, which encompasses RnD?

What?

I'm not saying there isn't mark up or any other dirty dealings, but fucking fuck man, cmon. There's a reason Saudi princes want to have surgery in the U.S..

>Fucking hate you high hirse Europeans
thanks for the cheap pills

>Simply because R&D/education for health care professionals is expensive, when you subsidize the population progress is hindered and there's no one willing to go into the field.
source? UK and Germany spend more on medical R&D per capita then USA

then why does medicaid (or medicare, not sure wich) consistently bargain better prices for goods as opposed to insurances?

>There's a reason Saudi princes want to have surgery in the U.S..
>being proud that his healthcare system is made for rich globalists foreigners

We literally have death panels In Canada one of the mayor's in Ontario isnt allowed to get the treatment he needs even though the machine that can save him is sitting in a room empty with no wait list... It's absolutely disgusting!

m.torontosun.com/2016/08/24/ive-been-sentenced-to-die-cancer-stricken-ontario-mayor-rips-wynne

Death panels are part of the private healthcare system as well. That's not an argument.

>Do you really not wish that your healthcare didn't cost you anything?

jesus christ

>You could cut the Us defense budget
Somehow I get the feeling that wouldn't be enough money.

Why should I pay for 5/10 of the population being fat fucks? There are so many retards in this country such as your self and they all believe I should take care of them, vote trump, get a good job, get insurance. Or you can vote Hillary, pay even more taxes that destroy real jobs, and then work retail to support shit skins from bum fuck no where at a couple thousand a pop.

Retarded foreigner from irrelevant country,
Perhaps you are unaware that there is a 20 trillion dollar debt and hundreds of billions in waste annually, couple with us being on the heels of obongo care.

and then you include bigPill and the costs to become a "doctor' in the U.S., and their salaries. R&D is a major part, but Germany isn't working (generally) with the same talent (pay per credential/costs).

>per capita

Free like beer free? No.

not an argument

>but Germany isn't working (generally) with the same talent (pay per credential/costs).
source? Germany is a big center for medical R&D

>>per capita

Germany is a much smaller economy opposed to USA. Of course we have to compare per capita

>american education

>being proud that his healthcare system is made for rich globalists foreigners

being proud it's a standard setting institution.

I'm not saying that the U.S. healthcare/insurance situation isn't completely raped and fucked up. I'm just saying that we're the best and there's a cost to that. That doesn't mean that YA! everyone can drive Ferraris

I have been a fan of bbc for a while, but I've only been able to enjoy it twice. For me it's been all about giving the black man what he deserves, to see the white man taken down a peg and have himself elevated.

Both times, I loved thinking about my racist ass family (going back generations) and what they would think if they knew their son/grandson would be on his knees with his lips wrapped around a black man's cock.

Even more so, if they knew their white male relation spread his legs for a black man. I come from anal stimulation quite easily, and I wish my racist dad and grandpa knew that two black men had given me an anal orgasm while I lay on my back like a woman and begged them to fuck me harder.

We're 20 trillion in debt and look how well social security turned out. I work with a lady who is going to retire in 2 years but every year her social security gets cut a little more, and now she probably will have to work for 5 years or so to be able to retire even though shes not getting out what she put in. That Healthcare wouldn't be "free" it has to be paid for by someone. I'm for government subsidies for major medical expenses say over 50,000. Also I don't want to have my Healthcare get caught up in the political bullshit and be used as a tool. Also I don't want to deal with the massive fucking buerocracy would manage it. Picture very relaxant

>the Right have a crabs-in-a-bucket mentality

Explain. In a different context: Don't lefties want to heavily tax the rich to the point that becoming successful seems pointless?

>I'm just saying that we're the best and there's a cost to that.

You're really not, you dumb fucking burger.

Sure it is. The United States is drowning in debt and literally just over hauled its health care system.
Universal healthcare is not a viable option given the current circumstances. Whether the concept is good doesn't matter. We can't pull it off.

It already does.

>source
Thanks for keeping Cred Forums legit.
I can't find one and operating off the fact that...

Money per capita poured into a field isn't = to money/resource poured into the field

>but Germany isn't working (generally) with the same talent (pay per credential/costs)
you can google costs=motivation=talent of that

One word: Taxes

>you should pay to keep crack heads, Shaniquas diabetic ass, and Pacos 17 children alive

Socialism only works in homogenous countries. If I were paying to help my own kinsmen, neighbors, and countrymen alive I would be ok with it.

I can understand people not wanting universal healthcare in a country that is racially, culturally and/or religiously diverse, I wouldn't want it either.

If I lived in a homogenous country, like sweden used to be, I would want universal healthcare.

so I'm not fully either or. It's dependant upon circumstance and context.

Yet Republicans want to cut taxes for the rich, leading to less tax revenue and a bigger deficit. Want to invest more in the military, leading to more wasteful spending and more wars further adding to the deficit.

>over hauled its health care system.
With a shitty system that is based on what was proposed by people like Newt Gingrich or Richard Nixon. And it was even worse before.

My tax dollars should not be used for Tykeisha's seven illegitimate niglets and their runny noses.
Fuck you, shill.

Creativity is its own reward. Money is a poor motivator for innovation.

Because in this current climate it wont work.

Germany has healthcare like a motherfucker, its amazing.

But it keeps people working. In shit US nigger filled land, it wont work. Ignoring tge refugee crisis here, oir healthcare gets sick people better, and gets them back to work so they can keep the economy going strong.

Germany is becoming America, we are being filled with niggers who will form ghettos and dumb mudshits that will for tent ghettos and not work. Our social welfare will collapse under the shitskin weight.

If america rid itself of its nigger infestation, and exterminated its muslim and beaner population, then free healthcare and all that would 100% work.

Social welfare is excellent, providing the Leech population is kept to a minimum.

America develops the safest medicine in the world. we put in so much fucking money into research so no one will die taking it. taking the correct dosage there is a 99.999% chance you wont die.
>lets not fuck this up

Only burgers will go against their own interests and advocate for going back to the even shitter private system they had before Obamacare.

>let me cross the border to purchase cheap fucking meds

Shut the fuck up Canukistan, just because you're the moral allstar team doesn't mean you're the best at anything, besides being politically correct, you fucking cuck.

google.com/search?q=best medical institutions in the world&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

We need to stop spending trillions on useless wars, achieve a healthier population, deport the worthless niggers, illegals, and white trash, and make sure everyone pays their fair share in taxes.

We need to do all of this BEFORE we try creating a universal healthcare system.

topuniversities.com/university-rankings-articles/university-subject-rankings/top-medical-schools-2016

>Do you really not wish that your healthcare didn't cost you anything?

>not understanding what the word cost means
>the current year

doctor salaries make up a minuscule part of healthcare costs. don't get drawn into class wars between poor shits and upper middle class people

You're an idiot. You have no idea how unprepared our healthcare infrastructure is for universal coverage. You no idea how little you will get in terms of care from universal healthcare. No one dies from neglect here, people die on waiting lists to see their physician is socialized heathcare systems.

Maybe if we stop hemorrhaging money to the Middle East, NATO, bad trade deals etc.as well as leeching niggers and spics

this. it's always young people lauding universal healthcare because their care consists of pretty basic stuff. I don't want my family on a wait list behind some leech

Being next door to us doesn't have anything to do with that graph right. You fucking idiot, this isn't a Moore's Law situation.

No one, especially me, is advocating for the system we're in.

This on the horribly inefficient/corruption front. If the system was ideal with no corruption I would support it.

Yes, you have a few good schools and research centers.

But you health care system is garbage, and you're defending it.

forbes.com/sites/danmunro/2014/06/16/u-s-healthcare-ranked-dead-last-compared-to-10-other-countries/#24d9bf831b96
>It’s fairly well accepted that the U.S. is the most expensive healthcare system in the world, but many continue to falsely assume that we pay more for healthcare because we get better health (or better health outcomes). The evidence, however, clearly doesn’t support that view.

>proxy shill

Okay, so given the information you just provided why would I believe either party would do it right? Republicans have no interest in it and democrats literally just fucked the whole thing up.

>posted from the waiting line

>costs to become a doctor, and their salaries

was more representative of the motivation/talent to become a doctor, and not included in the actual tangible/fiscal costs and the comparison to other countries.

So before you posted anything I said

Don't know if you seen this, my bad

You can only have free universal healthcare in an all white country, with a high-trust culture.

Niggers and mexicans use way more (WAAAAAY MORE) healthcare than whites. The system would collapse within a year.

That's a really cute doggo.

Well the first thing you should do is not mindlessly reject the idea of single-payer or universal health care.

It should at least be tried to see if it works, but the Republicans want you to go back to a system where health care is 100% part of the private sector which will be worse for everyone, except the pharmaceutical companies and the GOP.

Even the far-right parties in Europe are in favor of universal health care, they just don't want the non-natives to abuse it. But the (((small government))) good goyim in your country don't care about your nation or helping anyone, they just want to keep all their shekels even if it creates a more inefficient system and lets people die on the streets.

>It’s fairly well accepted that the U.S. is the most expensive healthcare system in the world, but many continue to falsely assume that we pay more for healthcare because we get better health (or better health outcomes). The evidence, however, clearly doesn’t support that view.

I'd like to point out that we also have a fuck ton of people who don't give a shit about their health, and poor fucks who have sex with no condoms fucking the system and average.

fuck em

US demographics make universal healthcare completely unfeasible.

>Shit the government does is free

This is why we hate leftists
Kys

There are way too many people and way too many separate groups who are competing for political supremacy of the government, at the expense of other groups, for it to work in the United States right now.

"Free" healthcare is great if you have a broken arm etc.

If I have a rare cancer I'm going to the fucking Mayo Clinic or Cancer Treatment Centers of America. Socialized healthcare is a death sentence for serious conditions.

>Yet Republicans want to cut taxes for the rich
Source.

>Canadian
We're discussing American politics. Mind your business.

universal healthcare is cheaper but obamacare isn't that

>The US federal government gets the vast majority of its revenue from income tax which roughly half of the country does not pay

what did he mean by this

t. person who has never been inside a free clinic or the EBT/dhs office

So what are you gonna do about it? Unless you can reverse the demographic shifts, you'll still have to find a way to improve your health care system

Reminder that even Trump was in favor of socialized health care.

ontheissues.org/2016/Donald_Trump_Health_Care.htm

>I’m a conservative on most issues but a liberal on health. It is an unacceptable but accurate fact that the number of uninsured Americans has risen to 42 million. Working out detailed plans will take time. But the goal should be clear: Our people are our greatest asset. We must take care of our own. We must have universal healthcare.
>Our objective [should be] to make reforms for the moment and, longer term, to find an equivalent of the single-payer plan that is affordable, well-administered, and provides freedom of choice. Possible? The good news is, yes. There is already a system in place-the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program-that can act as a guide for all healthcare reform. It operates through a centralized agency that offers considerable range of choice. While this is a government program, it is also very much market-based. It allows 620 private insurance companies to compete for this market. Once a year participants can choose from plans which vary in benefits and costs.
>Source: The America We Deserve, by Donald Trump, p.206-208 & 218 , Jul 2, 2000

>Speaking at the Iowa Freedom Summit in January, Trump said ObamaCare is a catastrophe that must be repealed and replaced. In 2011, Trump suggested that the health insurance industry have more ability to cross state lines. In "The America We Deserve" Trump wrote that he supported universal healthcare and a system that would mirror Canada's government-run healthcare service.
>Source: PBS News Hour "2016" series on 2015 Iowa Freedom Summit , Jun 16, 2015

this

there isn't anyway you can be serious.
>ctr pls go

Because Google's ruin literally any social safety net we have.

If single payer means that they get free food, drugs, and housing in the ER, they'll do it repeatedly.

As Romney pointed out, 40% of the population pays no income tax. Almost half of the people in this country are useless leeches. I am not paying for their free shit.

This.

Easy to have universal healthcare in a nation like Canada or Norway where basically everyone there is a 10th+ generation local and part of the middle class.

For America (and maybe some of Europe now), this isn't really feasible. We have floods of bottom tier immigrants that will never contribute more than they take and it will end up being an incredible drain on the system.

All we ever really needed to do was expand medicaid for American citizens but keep the process of obtaining it hard to get for foreigners.

It's common knowledge. 45% of households pay no income tax.
marketwatch.com/story/45-of-americans-pay-no-federal-income-tax-2016-02-24

Most federal revenue is from income tax (it's not the vast majority though; that's an exaggeration).

Free market reforms. Trash obamacare and the like. I know Trump said that shit before, but I don't care. Obamacare is unacceptable.

We're paying the taxes for your "free" healthcare. Free to you doesn't mean free, faggot.

>Why is the american right incapable of getting on board with the left about universal free healthcare?

The american left isn't on board for it either, retard. They had the choice and the chance, but instead chose corporate welfare.

Save all your questions for the dems who brought us ACA.

Like how the left want to make privste schools illegal becuase even thought there community funded they create elitism due to having "too high of grades and quality"

It's this. Try going to the local free clinic and see if you still agree with Universal Health Care afterwards.

>hey lets give the government even more control over us while also increasing taxes by a fuck ton
>libfag """logic"""

Nothing is free and taxes would skyrocket

>40% of the population pays no income tax

Don't drag Trump into this

Trump doesn't pay taxes because he's smart enough to workaround the tax code.


Assuming you're middle class, you could do the same by estimating how much you'll pay into federal taxes and put all of it in a 401k, IRA, or HSA instead.

>free
But it's not.

>your healthcare didn't cost you anything?
But its paid for by taxes that we pay.

>Do you really think everything in this country should be able to be capitalized on?
But that's how capitalism works.

Why is the argument always for making the government/rich people pay for this overpriced bullshit? The real solution would be to outlaw medical insurance companies. (We're not laissez faire, our government actually stops the kikes when they cheat capitalism to a great degree, like monopolies.) That way medical suppliers could no longer charge a fuckton for basic medicine and expect insurance companies to pay out. If there were no insurance companies, medical suppliers would be forced to charge a reasonable rate people could afford for their products, if they want to sell anything at all.

Hey fucktarded fuck stain from shitforbrainsistan.
Here's your progressive left representative, who took a giant payout to tell you you will never, ever, get what you want.

Try reading the news. It's not the right or the left that's holding this back, it's doctors and politicians and insurance companies.

Use your head, for once in your life, for something other than a hat rack.

>literally defending Romney's 47% comment

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>Easy to have universal healthcare in a nation like Canada
Our demographics aren't that much better. Look at Vancouver, Ontario or Montreal. Our advantage is that we get mostly Indian and Asian immigrants.

>Free market reforms.
It's what you had before Obamacare, and it was utter shit. They even made dozens of documentaries about it like Sicko, which is why Obamacare was started in the first place. And like I pointed out, Obamacare is a system similar to what was proposed by people like Nixon and Gingrich. It's not universal health care.

>free

>Do you really not wish that your healthcare didn't cost you anything?
Listen you jobless fag, I already pay 50% of my income to the government. I don't even need healthcare. If I need some meds for the flu, I pay a few bucks at doc-in-the-box. Why the fuck would I want to give up even more of my hard earned pay to send you to a doctor? Get a job and pay for your own healthcare.

>Canadian talking like he knows anything about my country

LMFAO every time tbqhh

>They even made dozens of documentaries about it like Sicko
leave it to the fucking leaf to unironically cite Michael Moore

>it works in the UK

Define, "works", since we're pretty low on all the records for cancer survivors and extended treatment. Also waiting lists for pretty much everything are months long and in the winter you literally can't get a doctors appointment for 6+ weeks in areas because of all the old fogies getting flu shots

On top of all that, NHS hospitals are notoriously filthy and also rife with MRSA

Here's a (you) for a quality post

fpbp

Stop the flow of culturally and economically negative immigration, step back on government spending and gibmedats, and implement tax breaks once you stop massive government spending.

Not worth having a discussion about "free" healthcare until you fix some fundamental issues in this country.

Michael "look how great Cuba is" Moore.

Literal fat dumb shit.

I dispute the fuck out of this graph, my mates mum went in for stomach pains, was diagnosed with bad gas, given some laxatives and was after 2 more visits diagnosed with ovarian cancer, had a hysterectomy. contracted MRSA, nearly died, had a relapse on cancer which resulted in losing a lung and another bought of MRSA

Obamacare is a fucking mess that has (IIRC) quadrupled healthcare costs in many places, and continues to inflate the cost of healthcare since "lol who cares the state will pay for it all, $50000 for a checkup"

And I fucked up and forgot the link.

cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-single-payer-health-care-will-never-ever-happen/

Here she is making fun of you for saying that. politico.com/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-supporters-audio-leak-228997

Here's Bill Clinton making fun of you for it. m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57128873e4b06f35cb6fc7ec

Fun article on it. thehealthculture.com/2010/12/why-the-us-doesn’t-have-universal-health-care/

One state attempting to make a difference. mobile.nytimes.com/2016/04/29/us/colorado-weighs-replacing-obamas-health-policy-with-universal-coverage.html

I don't think that's really the right, it would be more like

>I don't want to be in the bucket with other crabs

>Do you really think everything in this country should be able to be capitalized on?
Yes. Personally I hope the housing market crashes so I can make a profit off of it.

That's called good business!

The leftists are right about some things like health care, climate change, the Iraq War, non-interventionist foreign policy, Israel, money in politics, some of the problems with free-market capitalism...

You guys are so dumb that you'll unironically support every Republican position under the sun instead of thinking for yourselves and taking the good ones from each side.

>What? Quit smoking? Why would I do that? If I get cancer the government can just pay for it! Time for my daily meal at Burger King! I just got a liposuction for free and it's time to treat myself!

...

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>Implying health care costs are going to stop people from doing that, which they already do anyway

Hoo boy that's some red hot spicy discourse
You really fired my neurons with that persuasive "I'm right and you're stupid" argument

>wow ill only be able to afford 1 yatch instead of 3! Im being opressed!

The difference being they spend their Mcwages on their health insurance, instead of taxing you into oblivion for it

>this person is smarter than me and has more money
>lets take his money by force and give it to the poor so they can buy plasma tvs and finance dodges!

This. Even trump wants healthcare reform but Cred Forums still drinks bush era republican kool aid. Sad!

The point is, they're shelling out their own shekels not mine.

The people who would be asked to pay for this (net federal taxpayers, less than half of adults) already have very good health care.

It's that simple.

>not having a $800 bill for a broken toe means the poor will all buy big screen tvs

All trump wants to do is deregulate health insurance so they can compete across state lines

Why do trolls sneakily put the word 'free' when trolling about universal healthcare? It's like they know rightfags will hop on that word and claim that the left has no idea things actually have a cost.

FTFY

Why would you go to a hospital for a broken toe?

It's a bait thread.

Welcome to Cred Forums. 75% of posts are like this.

Use sage.

>Having a $5000 bill a year for mandatory health insurance tax is great, even if you go 50 years without once going to the hospital

Big screen TVs are cheap shit relatively. It's a shame the cost of essentials like housing and healthcare services can't plummet by having them produced in underdeveloped shitholes.

They should contribute. The working class police and military defends them why shouldn't they help people with nothing?

Only richfags would pay even near that amount

I wonder why would you not go to a hospital with a broken bone

Go rob them yourself, you fucking commie.

WHERE'S MY SLICE?
I WANT MORE THAN EQUAL RIGHTS
I WANT EVERYTHING FOR FREEEEEEEEE!!!

>implying they don't

Considering a one day hospital visit can cost tens of thousands of dollars...
It doesn't matter if you THINK ypu won't need to go to the hospital for 50 years.

Accidents happen. A LOT of people have become homeless over hospital bills, and that's not good for anyone.

50% of what's disgusting about capitalism and America in one post

>congrats

If the left hadn't gone fucking nuts with mass immigration vote and anti white racism, I'd vote for them just to oppose disgusting shit like what you just said, burger

cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Statistics-Trends-and-Reports/NationalHealthExpendData/downloads/highlights.pdf

National Health Expenditures 20
14 Highlights
In 2014, U.S. he
alth care spending increased 5.3
percent
following growth of 2.9 percent in 2013 to reach
$3.0 trillion
, or $9,523 per person.

do you even know how taxes work?
actually don't bother answering, we all know you don't pay taxes any way

It will heal on its own. Are you that much of a fucking pussy?

So everyone should be punished because a few poor wankers are stupid enough to get seriously hurt?

>free
You jeep usong that word like you know what it means.

Europoors pay like 60% in taxes for their "free" shit

>b-but muh taxes are wasted anyway
Because of all of the dumbass niggers and spics that would benefit most through socialist programs even more than honest whites that can already afford their own healthcare

Americans act like Jews with socialized medicine, they point to the six trillions who died on a waitlist while those cases are only a few per 100,000 patients, whereas in America if you cant afford care you either die or lose your house, become homeless and die some time later. Good goys, a 2-track healthcare system is like anuddah shoah, who will make shekels off sick people if hospitals stop being moneymakers?

I can afford care, why should I care about those who can't?

muh arbitrarily defined humanity

Selfish fuck. And you wonder why the white race is doomed

>Creativity is its own reward.

Every attempt at socialism suggests otherwise.

You pretend to pay them, they'll pretend to work.

do you feel the same for police and fire departments?

I mean they are socialistic, and people who are careful while cooking, do pay for the fire department that will more likely save the idiot who left the stove unattended

Because I already pay enough money for niggers

ever heard of civic duty?

of course, you're probably a libertcuck that only believes in shekels.

>Let's expand the welfare state while we have wide open borders and millions of third worlders pour into our once middle class-centric country

Leftists need to be killed. They're a cancer and they need to go.

I actually do, though the logistics of having individuals pay for those services are more difficult than for health care.

If I could not pay the part of my taxes into funding those public services and simply pay a set fee every time I need to use them then I would do so.

>police and fire departments
>socialist
We're really stretching the definition of this word.

I have a civic duty to pay for the gunshot wounds Tyrone got in a battle for crack turf?

>taxes go up for everyone
>need to wait months and months for an appointment
>the doctor will probably be shitty
sounds good

"free" healthcare means niggers and spics consuming your income and not dying.

Lose lose situation.

This despite the fact the USSR won the space race and almost all innovation has been state funded historically, often via the military.

Nah.

You fucking little shill. All we have to do is go back to the old system and end the retarded state-wide monopolies that were granted to the various insurance companies.

FPBP

American healthcare would bleed out to Central America because you leftys think the US can afford to provide free shit for the world.

>white trash

Who is going to clean up all the shit that the rich consume.

You mean your parents are affording care for you.

No, I can afford care. I earn my own money.

they might realize their thought police /murdoch/limbaugh/hannity have been lying to them for 30 years and treating them like fools

>USSR won the space race

Who put men on the moon? Meanwhile the USSR had breadlines, shortages, strikes and a police state. The US won the race to the moon all while having the best fed people with the highest material wealth ever seen. The USSR was utterly trounced.

desperate people are dangerous people.

Since you are so narcissistic and cant comprehend the benefits of a healthy populace, at least consider that as a appeasement to the poorer classes

Because it will never work in a multicultural society which are the lowest trust societies possible. We already get fucked by minorities on every level. They demand more from the government then they put in to steal from Americans.

>Good thing we never fought said the coward tolerance killed.

because universal free military is more important

Montenegro is highly multicultural (multicultural in it's real sense of the word, not multiethnic, like uneducated Americans confuse) and can provide a public healthcare

i am honestly glad there are people like you in USA,who dont inherently oppose universal healthcare just because its communism or something, but because you know why it cant work.

What i cant understand is so many Americans are against it just because they dont want any bit of socialism. Like, i literally dont see anything wrong with paying 5% more taxes or something in exchange for not being worried whether you'll be able to afford open fracture surgery and staying at hospital, or if will go bankrupt in case of cancer. Inb4 "but i eat healthy and take care of myself". It reduces the chance of getting cancer for sure but doesnt eliminate it. Nothing does. If i get it, i will be treated for free, and what if some of you get it? Do you have 250k dollars to burn on cancer treatment? Because if not, you are royally fucked, unlike in countries with universal healthcare

>You stop the interventionist USA wars
americans cant even admit it, they blame "the jews"

If you want good care for your kids go to college. How hard is that to figure out.

>We don't feel we should be forced under gunpoint to pay for other strangers health care.

you dont feel like you should pay for your own healthcare too, then? Ok, you dont want to pay for others, but what if you get ALL or any other malignant tumour? How much will you need to cash out to even get chance of surviving? Probably whole your retirmenet fund and even more. Wouldnt you want not to have to pay for it every time you visit hospital for chemotherapy, or every time you get the surgery?

They're right to an extent though, the endless wars in the Middle-East were started by Jewish neocons.

cbsnews.com/news/gen-zinni-theyve-screwed-up/

>>"Well, it starts with at the top. If you're the secretary of defense and you're responsible for that. If you're responsible for that planning and that execution on the ground. If you've assumed responsibility for the other elements, non-military, non-security, political, economic, social and everything else, then you bear responsibility," says Zinni. "Certainly those in your ranks that foisted this strategy on us that is flawed. Certainly they ought to be gone and replaced."

>Zinni is talking about a group of policymakers within the administration known as "the neo-conservatives" who saw the invasion of Iraq as a way to stabilize American interests in the region and strengthen the position of Israel. They include Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz; Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith; Former Defense Policy Board member Richard Perle; National Security Council member Eliot Abrams; and Vice President Cheney's chief of staff, Lewis "Scooter" Libby.

>Zinni believes they are political ideologues who have hijacked American policy in Iraq.

>"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington. That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington has known and fully knows what their agenda was and what they were trying to do," says Zinni.

>>"And one article, because I mentioned the neo-conservatives who describe themselves as neo-conservatives, I was called anti-Semitic. I mean, you know, unbelievable that that's the kind of personal attacks that are run when you criticize a strategy and those who propose it.

Most of the institutions that profit from wars are populated by Jews.

thezog.wordpress.com/who-controls-goldman-sachs/
>Of the nine(9) Goldman Sachs executive officers, seven(7) are Jews. This is a numerical representation of 78%.