AGE OF CONSENT NEEDS TO BE RAISED

Cred Forums is a board that is rational and logical, right?

Then you will support age of consent being raised to 25, so over 25 men cannot take advantage of young females.

The human brain does not fully develop until 25. Here are scientific studies to support this.

>Over 25's cannot have sex with anyone under 25
>25-18's cannot have sex with under 18

2 underage brackets are needed and this is supported by scientific evidence.

psychologytoday.com/blog/the-author-speaks/201408/change-your-brain-change-your-life-25
npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=141164708
goodtherapy.org/blog/psychpedia/prefrontal-cortex
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15148381
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16887188
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2730661/

The pre-frontal cortex does not fully develop until 25 in most adults.

Other urls found in this thread:

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2892678/
thinkatheist.com/m/discussion?id=1982180:Topic:1530233
twitter.com/SFWRedditVideos

ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2892678/

And another study.

>Longitudinal neuroimaging studies demonstrate that the adolescent brain continues to mature well into the 20s. This has prompted intense interest in linking neuromaturation to maturity of judgment. Public policy is struggling to keep up with burgeoning interest in cognitive neuroscience and neuroimaging.

Then why not just raise adulthood to 25 if under-25 cannot make good decisions?

>muh maturity
>muh brain development
>muh longitudinal studies

Bullshit and scientific jargon aside, the age of consent needs to be LOWERED, not raised.

>inb4 pedo

No you dumb shits. Raising the age of consent doesn't do shit since people begin fucking in their teens anyway. It's a waste of resources to enforce the age of consent and not worth the government's time. If a 16 year old is fucking a 19 year old, it really isn't the government's business to barge in arrest the poor fella.

Lower the age of consent to 13. Families should educate their kids on sex and so forth. It's their god damn job, not the government, to look after their children so they don't get pregnant at the age of 13.

This is what i am proposing here.

Logically, under 25's do not have their pre-frontal cortex developed. They don't deserve to

>vote
>be fucked by over 25's
>smoke/drink

You cannot argue with science. How can a under 25 consent if their brains have not developed?

>You cannot argue with science. How can a under 25 consent if their brains have not developed?

What you're saying is that every person below the age of 25 that has ever had sex has been raped because they couldn't give consent. This argument is asinine when taken to this conclusion.

I'm not arguing the scientific studies. All I'm saying is that what you are proposing and implying is simply not practical and would actually make things worse if implemented.

You're treating sex with more importance that it deserves.

I am saying, there is no medical difference between a 21 year old girl and a 13 year old girl.

Both have the same levels of reasoning, as evidenced by these studies i have linked.

Imagine you are a father, do you want some creepy 26 year old taking advantage of your child?

It's not rape, feminists have twisted that word. It IS manipulation, as she's still a child.

If people really believed the nonsense pro age of consent feminist spout then it really should be this high.

I love how fags here think they're "redpilled" while they support anti men feminist age of consent legislation.

All AoC laws should be repealed.

silly idea, because marriage will then be illegal for females under the age of 25 but they'll still be fucking behind the back of the law. it happens with the age of consent being 16, it will happen now.

also, the chance of a child being born with down's and other terrible disabilities rises by a huge amount beginning at the age of 30

only leaving a 5~ year window for each woman to have consistently healthy kids within wedlock is a terrible idea and will further destroy the nuclear family

are you a jew?

Then also i.e.:
drive a car
buy a house
marry
...
In other words: treat them as children. Is that what you mean?

>Both have the same levels of reasoning, as evidenced by these studies i have linked.

But thats complete bullshit.

Not same level of experience.
Not the same level of skill.
Not the same level of education.

The key ingredient you are missing is called INFORMED consent.

Thus your argument is literal bullshit.

>this faggot thinks neuroplasticity is bad

You're morality and the way you approach sexual relations is heavily tainted with feminist/modernist nonsense.

You're argument is that any older guy is "taking advantage" of a girl younger than him. This is nonsense. Younger girls are ATTRACTED to older men.

Again, I think you have an agenda which ignores basic biological realities. Age does not imply oppression or manipulation.

I strongly suggest you read more about the female mind, otherwise you will keep spouting this inaccurate drivel and contribute to the current problems in the West.

also if all sex with under 25s is rape due to non-consent then why aren't monetary transactions with those under the age of 25 denounced as theft

let's also create a hypothetical

if the brain didn't stop developing until 70, should the age of consent be 70?

under 25's should be banned from owning any internet enabled device

deep down everyone on Cred Forums knows they'd be happier if this was law from the beginning

OP, what you are proposing may sound good in your head, but will undeniably further create another generation even more coddled and delay maturity even further than what we have now. We will literally go from having man (and woman) children up from the 30's that is now to at least the 40's in the future.

By delaying responsibility and burdens of obligations, you delay the maturation factor in people and you end up with idiots who think the world revolves around them and think everything should be for free.

tl;dr
You're a fucking idiot OP

My response to this is that do they need to have a fully developed brain to consent? Maybe it is natural that our young adults be greater risk takers, since that would be best for driving society forward while they're still young. Past 30 you're in a decline, health-wise, so then it makes sense to be more conservative with your decisions.

We shouldn't require full capability to be able to make personal decisions, and there's plenty of over 25 adults who are perhaps more incapable than some 12 year olds. Will you next say that people with low IQs can't consent to sex with people who have a significantly higher IQ?

this

if anything, fornication should be banned or at least highly shunned at any age, but MARRIAGE under 25 is a good thing.

In fact it's a positive that the brain is still developing when the pair bond occurs, this makes it more likely to last for life.

This, OP. Science has also shown us that the brain, even past the age of 25, is capable of changing in major ways. We all know that who people are changes as they go through life. Are 100 year olds the only legitimate people?

>can't vote
but sure can work and pay taxes m8, good cattle is well taught cattle

you're arguing one of the following:

1) a person is being manipulated if they make a voluntary interaction with another being who is more likely to be able to make a correct decision than them

it follows from this that the parent/child relationship is inherently manipulative and should be abolished

2) if there is a chance that a person may change their mind regarding an action at a later point in their life, they ought not to do it

it follows from this that everybody ought to do both nothing and everything all the time

3) a person whose brain is 99% "developed" (assuming you can quantify this) makes decisions in the same way that a person whose brain is 50% "developed" does

this assumes the inability of people without full brain development to learn, as if they were able to, the 8 years of life between 13 and 21 would have created a difference in the quality of their decision making

the problem is sex OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE, porn , media etc.

without these things, people would mature at a younger age. There's a reason people married younger when there was no mass media, less technology, and strong religious morals.

Actually having adult obligations at an earlier age will cause the brain to develop more. it's only 25 now because of how society infantilizes

If anything , internet use should be banned before marriage age. Or heavily censored.

Old enough to die for your country, old enough to fuck.

also, OP never addresses the damage caused by under 18's having premarital sex with one another

which does far more damage to society than, say an 18 year old marrying a 25 year old for life

Why is that bad, though? Evolution
Doesn't reward your arbitrary morality. It doesn't reward the happy, the well-adjusted, it rewards those who can effectively pass on their genes and survive.

Your argument is moral, not
Scientific.

Jesus Christ this thread is really bringing out the authoritarian assholes.

we'd all be happier if the internet was banned for pretty much everyone who finds themselves to be a miserable shitposter on imageboards, search your heart and you know it to be true

Eh, I don't think marriage as it is today is good. I'm not advocating for promiscuity right now, a stable long-term 2 person relationship is almost always the best. But do you need to get the gov/church involved for it to be legitimate?

Fornication shouldn't be banned, because the law should not be able to dictate personal choices no matter how wrong. Heavily shunned? Do what you do best, society.

Human's naturally mated for generations as soon as they hit puberty yet some guy says the brain doesn't stop developing til the age of 25 so we should stop having sex a third our lifetime in the name of "science".

>some 'creepy' 26 year old
You have a feminist indoctrinated mind, i can see from your word choice.

honestly, I think technology is doing more to infantilize us than anything else.

I hate the idea but perhaps banning internet use (or at least unlimited use) to those at a young age is really a good idea.

Ever since WWII the age of adulthood has gotten higher and higher as we have more artificial comforts.

kicking the can by raising ages for everything will not truly fix the root of the problem.

>be 24
>can drive
>can drink
>can smoke
>can join the military
>can own a home
>can pay taxes
>can graduate from college
>can run a business
>can hold some local goverment positions
>cant consent to sex

Fuck off OP

Age of consent needs to be raised to 60 desu, you need a lot of life experience to truly understand it and that only comes with age.

also, let's evaluate the idea that people should only be allowed to vote if their pre-frontal cortex has met its potential

it follows from this that people who have hideous brain impairments, but are at their full potential, are more within their rights to vote than a super-intelligent AI that is in a constant state of the improvement if its own intellect

Male brain is not fully developed until 25, female brain is fully developed at 13.

OP wants all of those things also banned for people your age

Sure, i bet you also believe feminists are behind age of consent in the first place.

I don't agree with you that sex outside of marriage/porn/media is the cause. I do agree with you that the lack of adult obligations is a problem.

Its easy to blame those 3 above, considering when the opposite was true society was much better. But I have a ton of siblings, little ones in public school right now, and I can say that every fucking thing they do is designed to create a subdued, neutered human. Kids don't play outside, kids don't even have recess. All games are heavily regulated by adults, some schools allow no contact at all. You sit in a chair for 8 hours, filling in your little packet, while the teacher fucks off on her phone. Helicopter parents make this worse.

People married younger because they were more adult at a younger age, and weren't treated like infants till 18(past 18 even).

No I would not be happier with you fags making all my decisions for me and telling me how to live my life, I assure you of that.

Really makes you think (seriously)

I don't agree with you that sex outside of marriage/porn/media is the cause. I do agree with you that the lack of adult obligations is a problem.

Its easy to blame those 3 above, considering when the opposite was true society was much better. But I have a ton of siblings, little ones in public school right now, and I can say that every fucking thing they do is designed to create a subdued, neutered human. Kids don't play outside, kids don't even have recess. All games are heavily regulated by adults, some schools allow no contact at all. You sit in a chair for 8 hours, filling in your little packet, while the teacher fucks off on her phone. Helicopter parents make this worse.

Female privilege...male brains matter

We'd all be happier if we chose to get off this site. Being micromanaged makes no one happy, unless they're a little beta who needs big daddy gov taking care of them.

According to what study?

All of you fags are spouting OPINIONS.

I have posted actual neuroscience backing my claims up.

The only credible argument so far is that perhaps you don't need to be entirely developed to consent, but i'm still dubious about this resulting in manipulation.

But make no mistake, there is NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 13 YEAR OLD AND A 22 YEAR OLD (mentally).

While one might have a bit more life experience, they both still are far too impulsive and have bad rational judgement skills.

Both science, one interpreted differently by OP to troll.

what the fuck happened here, my man?

I'd prefer the whole internet just dies or gets so corporate and unusable that people like us will return to reality.

should under 25's be banned from internet access?

It's a good idea to strongly encourage not using internet at a young age, maybe. Banning it, just don't like the taste of that.

Maybe keep the technology but actually give kids responsibilities? Let have technology, but make them go outside a bit?

A lot of our problems could be solved just through different parenting.

also, should those under 25 still be allowed to have sex (or marry) each other?

or are you saying even within the same age group it's still by default manipulation?

My wife had a relationship with a black guy just before we started dating. Since we are high school sweethearts, I thank god for consent laws, otherwise she could have lost her purity with Tyrone.

No to confusing

16-17 is fine

Also only white people will be tried for breaking that law

Op wants those banned too. But the fact that you're doing these things right now and have been deemed legally capable of doing so for such a major chunk of history tells us that we don't need to restrict the rights of

I think gov. doesn't give a shit about young children being used. They just don't want teenage mothers.

>Enforce this in the US
>internet literacy in the US plummets due to the fact children learn much faster than adults
>chinese enact no such law
>china has 9 year old sweatshop hackers who are more competent than the US government top cybersecurity people
>The entire technology ignorant America falls victim to a "nigerian prince" tier scam.
>china destroys America

No clue, freaked out on me. 100% for 3 minutes, aborted, then 100% and posted.

I would argue they should.

You guys are making good points on how children used to mature faster in regards to life experiences.

They are being turned into obedient goyim right now through school and the internet does not help. Hell, the internet stole years of my life because i was naive enough to think it was great.

I'm only now recovering from becoming a neet, thank fucking god i'm back on the right track.

Marriage, if approved by the father...that i could respect.

That makes biological sense.

With the father there to lend his judgement on if the man is good and will take care of her, plus a binding legal contract so he won't just fuck off.

If you can be drafted to die, you should have to the right to vote and marry and drink.

Kek provides vailidity to your claim.

>implying you need your own internet for recreational use in order to learn about hacking and technology

never said kids couldn't be taught this at school, or in libraries.

get real, most teenagers aren't using their internet to learn, and if they were they could do it just as well on a public computer

Social media needs to be abolished, to be honest.

The internet should be for reading medical, scientific journals, a place of learning.

Not instant-gratification.

Children should not be sent to go die.

It should be raised to 30, so the biggots will stop to shaming mature women

Alright. Why does it matter if they aren't at full maturity? Why is that a reason to restrict their rights? Perhaps we should recognize there are benefits to maturity and immaturity, and a mix of these things has been what's helped society.

Energetic youth more willing to take risks + cautious and wise elders = Well rounded society best society

that's why it's better to just have all sex outside marriage equally illegal.

the issue is premarital sex, age isn't the biggest issue (two 16 year olds having sex outside marriage is just as destructive as a 16 year old and a 25 year old)

Yes that's right only let kids use the Internet when they're using it to be taught state sponsored brainwashing.

fucking faggot go move to North Korea

You do realize that 90% of Cred Forums niggers lost their virginity when they were underage, right?

This board is so fucking trash. Just look at the responses in this thread. Just die, normie niggers.

just ban home PC's entirely and it solves the problem. Make internet use exclusively in institutions and libraries.

Arranged marriage is the ultimate solution though. You should marry a longtime family friend you get to know since childhood and grow up with, so your brain development happens in a mutually connected manner.

Too bad if this happens in modern Western countries it won't be for our benefit anyway so this is a moot point discussing.

Marriage approved by the father isn't biological, you retard. Marriage isnt biological. Not everything in man-made society should be entirely biological, but a product our reasoning.

In a pack of wolves there's the daddy, mommy, and the kiddies who aren't allowed to fuck. But the kiddies somehow find a way to fuck other wolves out and about anyway!

Cred Forums is social media.

Anyone who says otherwise is brainwashed by the Jewish psyop that is "chan culture"

honestly people here need to gain some more self-awareness of how their favorite "free internet culture" is manufactured to keep them online and enslaved. Cred Forums SHOULD be banned.

it's no better than Zuckerbook.

We should not define people as children by how mature their prefrontal cortex is.

A child is someone who cannot yet contribute to society and needs others to care for him.

And adult is someone capable of contributing to society and does not need others care.

I think past age 13 there should be a sort of grace period where people are treated like and expected to act like adults(but with less consequences as they are transitioning) and past age 15 should be full adults. If you give someone higher challenges and harsher expectations, you'll get more than when you expect little of them(like we do now).

Same thread at least once a day for at least a week now.

I'm a 23 year old virgin.

Then leave if it's so awful.

Or are you so weak that you need to have the nanny state force you to do it instead?

I'd rather have complete destruction of the Internet than a state enforced internet.

>people can vote, buy cigarettes, watch porn, and join the military when they're 18
>people can purchase alcohol at 21

>people can't have sex until they're 25

Gee, what could possibly go wrong?

>58008
>80085
>boobs

Hmmmm

Even if it is unenforceable, if the government clearly states it finds having sex with teens wrong, it will never be completely acceptable, as there will always be that annoying law about the issue.
For the sake of having less promiscuous women and more motivated men, the age of consent is fine between 16-18.

OP is suggesting everything you list be forbidden under 25, not just sex.

and to an extent he's right, but the problem is society as it is today will keep infantilizing people and the age for brain development will keep moving up and up. Unless he's suggesting we use genetic engineering or anti-aging technology this isn't sustainable.

Ultimately we'd have to make education and child rearing better to the point where say 18 year olds are mentally mature enough to take on adult responsibilities (and marry) again.

You're right, most of them arent using it with intentions to learn, but even still just by being on the internet you gain some degree of "cyber-street smarts". You learn not to click on bullshit ads, not to fall for those scams in your spam folder, etc.
I feel that reducing it so you are only exposed to these things when you go to the library would drastically reduce internet literacy.

And to be fair most adults are using the internet for the same useless social media bullshit that the kids are.

This i can somewhat agree with, we should get rid of the time wasting aspects of the internet, not taking the entire internet away from children.

My problem with this however is once you start censoring what type of websites are allowed to exist, they can very well start taking away any website that disagrees with their agenda, and we all become like north korea

It's threads like this that will get Cred Forums removed from Cred Forums, OP. Though I support your movement. You'll be labelled a terrorist.

>just ban home PC's entirely and it solves the problem
No. Make it difficult to use again. Back in the days you had to know modem commands and know what you were doing. Zombies and AppleFags did not exist then.

that would never happen in the current year, not unless there's a solar flare or some other destruction of infrastructure

Its not going to happen because the millitary needs young people, every millitary does, to get rid of the 18-24 crowd is national defense suicide

fuck off /qa/

either remove Cred Forums from the Internet entirely or keep it in its current state

We can only hope

That's why I say the only real solution is fix education and parenting, so people are more mature at 18-24 again.

Lots of luck with that! When kids turn 12-13 they would fuck a snake if someone would hold the head down for them.
We do need to fuck up adults who prey on kids though, and I mean fuck them up HARD.

Brain development =\= maturity

Actually the brain continues to develop into your 40s. Maybe we should raise the age of consent to 50 and allow 30 and 40 year olds to fuck 15 year olds.

thinkatheist.com/m/discussion?id=1982180:Topic:1530233

so if I'm 25 and fuck a 24 year old that would make me a pedophile and I'll spend 10-15 in gen pop getting raped by tyrone in cell B18

yeah nah fuck that

>engaging in a biological drive should be shunned or banned

People aren't going to accept that, you fucking mong.

No, age of consent needs to be eliminated. Brain development is not part of consent, consent is giving permission. Safe sex is not much different from any other form of pleasure, and saying you need to have a fully developed prefrontal cortex to choose to be pleasured is ridiculous and against basic human freedom.

18 is enough.
Also,
>lower than 18
Nice job trying to raise a daughter, degenerate retards.

18 is arbitrary.

I would literally fucking kill myself

fuck off pedo. 18 is a good age.

You must be 13. I think this is an 18+ board.

Enjoy your roasties lmao

:^)))))

No, its arbitrary and silly. Also, whats wrong with being pedo?

australians, just give up already

you're never going to win your shitposting title back like this

Eh?